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00:01:42,076\n還有他的國外旅費以及出國訓練費三減了15%其實都會消減影響了我們的飛行員的訓練還有一些維護的資源也會影響他的專業能力以及他可能沒有辦法有一些例行的會議嘛對不對這是救難\n\n6\n00:01:44,311 --> 00:01:59,302\n還有消防署的災後復原與消防訓練也都會受到限制這是我的理解啦是不只是內政部其他的部會也都一樣包括數位發展部他的業務費被砍掉了大概40%我們行政院總共5億的業務費被砍掉了2億\n\n7\n00:02:02,104 --> 00:02:28,402\n還有像是我之前一直非常在乎這個新南向新南向的預算嘛讓我們很多的小朋友的一些團體啊他們有機會可以不要只去中國可以去我們新南向的一些國家去做一些體育的交流據我所知這個經費也被刪減了是為誰刪的勒就是國民黨跟民眾黨聯手刪掉所以冤有頭債有主啦好不好當初你不要刪現在也不會發生這件事情所以這還是要回去就責攬擺啦好那接下來回到我自己原本的問題\n\n8\n00:02:42,829 --> 00:02:56,755\n我今天呢其實最主要是想要先問完文秘書長就是我一直都非常關心我們促轉基金的創新運用因為我認為他應該要更多的公司協力來支持我們民間關心這個議題的一些相關的行動\n\n9\n00:02:57,995 --> 00:03:16,415\n而不是去補貼我們一些公務部門的一些公務預算支出那其實我從去年開始進到立法院到現在我基本上在每次的總質詢或者是在上次的經濟委員會我也有去質詢過劉主委但我也有發現就是說11月21號院長主持的這個行政院推動轉型正義匯報也曾經做出決議要求國發會應該要去規劃我們的\n\n10\n00:03:19,659 --> 00:03:40,739\n促轉基金要來達成所謂公司協力而且要更友善民間的綜合性補助計畫可是我到目前都沒有看到具體的方案所以到底規劃進度是什麼行政院真的認同促轉基金應該要有更多的公司協力跟創新運用嗎我想問一下這個態度上\n\n11\n00:03:43,222 --> 00:04:00,099\n我們已經請國發會在研擬當中實際的狀況沒關係我先請問一下秘書長就是說我們到底認不認同這件事情行政院是認同的接下來我就想要請問一下因為其實今年我們也頒了轉型正義階段性的一個政策重點的一個策進方案\n\n12\n00:04:00,940 --> 00:04:15,707\n對於促進轉型正義說要強化民主任性以及要做民間扎根社會有感那到底我們現在做了什麼我們有沒有開始做一些社會討論可不可以請人權處處長簡短的說明一下目前的進度\n\n13\n00:04:16,923 --> 00:04:36,890\n好謝謝委員關心這個事情那的確今年二月行政院發布了這個策進方案當中很重要的就是要紮根民間社會強化民主任性所以針對委員關心的促轉基金這個部分我們其實在去年底開始到今年三月大概就進行了\n\n14\n00:04:38,110 --> 00:05:04,253\n有限的預算規模底下我們也進行了一些社會溝通跟討論那在這個討論的過程其實一個部分是包含我們預計在接下來的匯報會提出有關促轉基金6月應該就要匯報了吧對不對半年嘛6月應該就要匯報了所以我們在6月的時候會提出你剛講聽起來已經做了一些社會溝通了嘛所以在6月匯報我們會提出一個比較完整的計畫嗎是我們會提出一個促轉基金的策略計畫\n\n15\n00:05:05,054 --> 00:05:28,031\n那回扣到我們現在出版條例第七條五個法定用途那比較重要的是剛剛委員所關心的後面的機制那這個機制其實在去年的卓院長十一月的匯報有責成國發會在做研議那在目前我們所掌握到也就是在匯報的網站上面公開的今年一一四年的轉移增印的相關的業務規劃裡面國發會的確也把\n\n16\n00:05:31,789 --> 00:05:52,771\n目前第一季第三季相關的進度有把公司協力的這個活化的機制納入他們的工作但是因為其實我自己去問不管是我覺得國發會也好或是檔案局也好我會覺得資金的進度還是相當有限因為我不太確定這些社會討論的部分到底檔案局或是國發會有沒有去加入他們有沒有真的去了解\n\n17\n00:05:53,491 --> 00:06:19,447\n這個民間到底的一些期待或者是說他們到底希望的一個什麼樣建立一個什麼樣的友善機制我是不是那麼確定但我的感覺是似乎看起來都還是比較消極所以如果今天我們已經做了社會討論那接下來就是國發會跟我們這邊人權處要如何來把因為六月之後是不是這個接下來就是回到國發會了對不對那接下來這一段是要如何的去進行呢\n\n18\n00:06:21,655 --> 00:06:42,505\n我們因為這個策略計畫其實他搭配現在院作為基金的主管機關執行機關是國發會那比較主要是折騰在檔案局所以的確在整個策略計畫發布的之前跟之後我們也需要再跟國發會做比較密切的溝通那委員關心社會討論的部分先前在跟國發會的\n\n19\n00:06:43,705 --> 00:06:54,192\n幾次的內部溝通當中他們也承諾說會把社會討論的一些相關的一些討論的過程會在他們整個公私協力的機制裡面納入\n\n20\n00:06:56,345 --> 00:07:24,343\n請問秘書長,這樣聽起來,我覺得還是希望秘書長行政院這邊應該要來更積極的去要求國發會要來落實這件事情喔那我也認為就是說,因為這個是不是可以請秘書長來要求我們的國發會跟人權處在兩週內提供一個你們現在做的一些規劃的報告跟進度然後到我的辦公室,我們來了解一下這個事情好嗎因為我們才能夠去確保說,我們到底這個過程裡面\n\n21\n00:07:25,864 --> 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可以積極的在這個會議裡面去要求我們要這個相關國發會呢要積極的來去接下來因為下次匯報就是11月就是要積極的來去監督他們好嗎可以嗎謝謝可以可以\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.899 --> 00:15.004\n我剛剛真的在後面等很久呢請秘書長還有人權處我想先請秘書長好了人權處等一下因為我剛剛聽在下面我覺得有蠻多可能要闢謠一下秘書長要不要先簡單說一下特別費你還剩多少他一直說你要去他一直說你們拿去請客吃飯送禮來你們特別費平常是做什麼的\n\n00:33.334 --> 00:48.563\n特別費大部分是同仁假如有額外的就是幫我們做一些事情我們是獎勵他還有逢年過節的時候我們也會給同仁一些額外的獎勵有一點犒賞同仁但絕大部分都是這樣還有就是說\n\n00:52.145 --> 01:05.712\n如果有婚喪喜慶我們必須要送花花籃就像是立法委員韓國瑜院長在我們可能生日的時候啊母親節的時候也會送我們一些禮物嘛就是特別費的費用啦所以你們現在還剩多少\n\n01:06.998 --> 01:24.126\n他就是零了你就是零了嗎所以是沒有嘛已經刪掉了嘛對不對那剛剛還有講說就是我們這個我們怎麼刪救命錢我想我這邊我理解的啦但是秘書長可以幫我核對一下據我所知內政部裡面我們的空勤總隊的國內女廢是被刪了20%\n\n01:28.128 --> 01:42.076\n還有他的國外旅費以及出國訓練費三減了15%其實都會消減影響了我們的飛行員的訓練還有一些維護的資源也會影響他的專業能力以及他可能沒有辦法有一些例行的會議嘛對不對這是救難\n\n01:44.311 --> 01:59.302\n還有消防署的災後復原與消防訓練也都會受到限制這是我的理解啦是不只是內政部其他的部會也都一樣包括數位發展部他的業務費被砍掉了大概40%我們行政院總共5億的業務費被砍掉了2億\n\n02:02.104 --> 02:28.402\n還有像是我之前一直非常在乎這個新南向新南向的預算嘛讓我們很多的小朋友的一些團體啊他們有機會可以不要只去中國可以去我們新南向的一些國家去做一些體育的交流據我所知這個經費也被刪減了是為誰刪的勒就是國民黨跟民眾黨聯手刪掉所以冤有頭債有主啦好不好當初你不要刪現在也不會發生這件事情所以這還是要回去就責攬擺啦好那接下來回到我自己原本的問題\n\n02:42.829 --> 02:56.755\n我今天呢其實最主要是想要先問完文秘書長就是我一直都非常關心我們促轉基金的創新運用因為我認為他應該要更多的公司協力來支持我們民間關心這個議題的一些相關的行動\n\n02:57.995 --> 03:16.415\n而不是去補貼我們一些公務部門的一些公務預算支出那其實我從去年開始進到立法院到現在我基本上在每次的總質詢或者是在上次的經濟委員會我也有去質詢過劉主委但我也有發現就是說11月21號院長主持的這個行政院推動轉型正義匯報也曾經做出決議要求國發會應該要去規劃我們的\n\n03:19.659 --> 03:40.739\n促轉基金要來達成所謂公司協力而且要更友善民間的綜合性補助計畫可是我到目前都沒有看到具體的方案所以到底規劃進度是什麼行政院真的認同促轉基金應該要有更多的公司協力跟創新運用嗎我想問一下這個態度上\n\n03:43.222 --> 04:00.099\n我們已經請國發會在研擬當中實際的狀況沒關係我先請問一下秘書長就是說我們到底認不認同這件事情行政院是認同的接下來我就想要請問一下因為其實今年我們也頒了轉型正義階段性的一個政策重點的一個策進方案\n\n04:00.940 --> 04:15.707\n對於促進轉型正義說要強化民主任性以及要做民間扎根社會有感那到底我們現在做了什麼我們有沒有開始做一些社會討論可不可以請人權處處長簡短的說明一下目前的進度\n\n04:16.923 --> 04:36.890\n好謝謝委員關心這個事情那的確今年二月行政院發布了這個策進方案當中很重要的就是要紮根民間社會強化民主任性所以針對委員關心的促轉基金這個部分我們其實在去年底開始到今年三月大概就進行了\n\n04:38.110 --> 05:04.253\n有限的預算規模底下我們也進行了一些社會溝通跟討論那在這個討論的過程其實一個部分是包含我們預計在接下來的匯報會提出有關促轉基金6月應該就要匯報了吧對不對半年嘛6月應該就要匯報了所以我們在6月的時候會提出你剛講聽起來已經做了一些社會溝通了嘛所以在6月匯報我們會提出一個比較完整的計畫嗎是我們會提出一個促轉基金的策略計畫\n\n05:05.054 --> 05:28.031\n那回扣到我們現在出版條例第七條五個法定用途那比較重要的是剛剛委員所關心的後面的機制那這個機制其實在去年的卓院長十一月的匯報有責成國發會在做研議那在目前我們所掌握到也就是在匯報的網站上面公開的今年一一四年的轉移增印的相關的業務規劃裡面國發會的確也把\n\n05:31.789 --> 05:52.771\n目前第一季第三季相關的進度有把公司協力的這個活化的機制納入他們的工作但是因為其實我自己去問不管是我覺得國發會也好或是檔案局也好我會覺得資金的進度還是相當有限因為我不太確定這些社會討論的部分到底檔案局或是國發會有沒有去加入他們有沒有真的去了解\n\n05:53.491 --> 06:19.447\n這個民間到底的一些期待或者是說他們到底希望的一個什麼樣建立一個什麼樣的友善機制我是不是那麼確定但我的感覺是似乎看起來都還是比較消極所以如果今天我們已經做了社會討論那接下來就是國發會跟我們這邊人權處要如何來把因為六月之後是不是這個接下來就是回到國發會了對不對那接下來這一段是要如何的去進行呢\n\n06:21.655 --> 06:42.505\n我們因為這個策略計畫其實他搭配現在院作為基金的主管機關執行機關是國發會那比較主要是折騰在檔案局所以的確在整個策略計畫發布的之前跟之後我們也需要再跟國發會做比較密切的溝通那委員關心社會討論的部分先前在跟國發會的\n\n06:43.705 --> 06:54.192\n幾次的內部溝通當中他們也承諾說會把社會討論的一些相關的一些討論的過程會在他們整個公私協力的機制裡面納入\n\n06:56.345 --> 07:24.343\n請問秘書長,這樣聽起來,我覺得還是希望秘書長行政院這邊應該要來更積極的去要求國發會要來落實這件事情喔那我也認為就是說,因為這個是不是可以請秘書長來要求我們的國發會跟人權處在兩週內提供一個你們現在做的一些規劃的報告跟進度然後到我的辦公室,我們來了解一下這個事情好嗎因為我們才能夠去確保說,我們到底這個過程裡面\n\n07:25.864 --> 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