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00:00:43,206\n我也好好那我想我今天針對於就是說媒體報導的部分想要來請教那個部長跟司長就是說上個禮拜上一個禮拜我們這個三小的車禍造成一個三死十二傷其實有很多小孩我想大家都非常清楚他就是國中小的小孩那其實大家都非常的痛苦那這個事件發生之後因為當下的其實是一個下課時間其實有很多小孩的同學完全的目擊事發的經過\n\n3\n00:00:44,887 --> 00:01:10,752\n可是呢我想先詢問一下我們現在有沒有去掌握學校有沒有提供一些心理的支持系統去照顧這一些可能是他的同學可能是不及這件事件的小孩還有這個包含當天我們可以看到這個導護老師在現場也是最後也是崩潰在路邊打哭我們有沒有提供相關的心理支持系統呢\n\n4\n00:01:13,406 --> 00:01:29,675\n報告一下一發生事情的時候當然第一個緊急醫療救治來最重要這三家醫院我們馬上去了解他們的整個照護量能那回報的都是已經有做最適當的一個醫療處理我講的其實是目睹現場的小孩接下來第二個我們馬上請設公司\n\n5\n00:01:34,897 --> 00:02:02,827\n跟心理師去了解一下是不是我們這些家庭當然包括學校裡面有目睹的受傷害的家庭這個當然是最重要第二個就是看到目睹的一個心理這個部分我們都有請社工師跟心理師去協助新北市政府新北市政府已經有提供相關的心理支援\n\n6\n00:02:03,607 --> 00:02:24,864\n到學校裡了嗎這個可不可以說明再清楚一點社工是不是回答一下好謝謝委員的關心那事實上在上禮拜我們林政務次長也召開一個這個案子的專案會議就是本部行政院的相關部會包括教育部那還有新北市政府的教育局跟社會局我們有做過一些討論\n\n7\n00:02:25,825 --> 00:02:54,493\n那因為這個事件蠻多是這個那個國小的那個師生那所以社會局跟教局他們有做一些分工針對學生師生的部分是由那個學校的輔導老師跟社工師等等來做一個介入跟瞭解那如果不是學校的人員呢那就是由我們社會局的社工用一戶一社工一個方式來關懷他們的一個狀況跟提供後續的一個協助\n\n8\n00:02:54,653 --> 00:03:08,215\n我想問一下學校這個資源會協助到小孩到什麼樣子的狀況因為他可能不是一次就結束了所以我們會跟新北市他們會了解一下新北市這個資源會投入大概到什麼時候會監觀察小孩子的狀況\n\n9\n00:03:10,097 --> 00:03:30,904\n那跟委員報告因為這個部分是在教育局我想我們可以來瞭解但是我相信他們也有相關的一個經驗在學校的輔導資源的一個部分那可能如果需要事後再跟委員來回報好謝謝那再下一個問題再下一個問題我想大家可能也都有看到這個新聞就是這個\n\n10\n00:03:33,012 --> 00:03:49,492\n講起來是蠻痛心的就是這個小孩子他被了很多的媒體圍堵然後去採訪他如何他的這個他經歷了這件事情他的心情是什麼樣子那這個小孩其實他在整個新聞的過程之中他其實已經幾乎崩潰了\n\n11\n00:03:51,738 --> 00:04:20,877\n他是用一种非常颤抖的声音去描述了整个事发的经过因为他的同学就突然不见了所以他其实在过程中他也速度大哭所以其实如果你认真看完其实真的是非常非常的心疼然后我自己看了都觉得非常的痛苦那其实我也收到一些家长的澄清他们认为说媒体不应该在这个当下去访问这个小孩第一个第二个他们不应该把这样子的内容再放到网路上面去\n\n12\n00:04:22,238 --> 00:04:50,001\n因為這個小孩非常明確的就是已經崩潰可是又持續的去訪談他那這個事後我們到底有沒有人可以去接觸這個小孩是完全不知道的所以我想這件事情其實看起來就是我們為了追求新聞的利益已經凌駕了兒少最佳利益的這件事情所以我想問一下就是說雖然在我們的兒少法第69條裡面呢它不是在這個下面所列的這個規範可是如果我們看一下\n\n13\n00:04:51,062 --> 00:05:16,413\n下一個我們來看一下中華民國電視學會新聞委員會的一個自律公約他就有講到如果說這個是小朋友的一些新聞報導如果是傷者被害者及罹難者的家屬訪問應該要尊重當事人的意願及身心狀況以及如果說今天對於兒童的事件報導不得有行為兒童及少年的姓名這些我們都非常清楚\n\n14\n00:05:17,213 --> 00:05:40,545\n其中特別重要的是如果我們要採訪兒少當事人應先表明記者身份及取得兒少兒童兒少本人還有監護人之同意應在非強迫或違反兒童少年當事人的受訪意願之下才可以進行採訪報導我認為我們這一篇報導其實已經違反了這個自律公約所以我想作為\n\n15\n00:05:41,505 --> 00:06:10,741\n衛福部是兒少的主管機關是不是可以盡快的來跟NCC的討論避免這個小孩受到惡毒的傷害那是不是這邊可以承諾我們盡快的來跟NCC要求他啟動媒體的自律委員會或是倫理委員會來討論這樣子的採訪行為是否過當那因為我想衛福部就是一個保護我們兒少的主管機關這件事情是不是可以要求衛福部盡快的來完成呢\n\n16\n00:06:11,786 --> 00:06:24,274\n沒問題記憶保護兒童少年這個權益我想我們的確應該做積極的更積極那我想最積極的第一件事情這個影片可以先撤掉嗎這個新聞片段可以嗎\n\n17\n00:06:28,626 --> 00:06:29,626\n這大概要多久的時間呢\n\n18\n00:06:46,772 --> 00:07:15,014\n移除下架部分就是看如果他的IP在國內那速度是相較快的那如果是國外我們可能還需要一些作業時間好我想那應該是一個月以內我們都可以把包含我們跟NCC的討論對不對要不要啟動這個自律委員會或是倫理委員會這個部分應該也是一個月之內我們都可以來完成對不對謝謝部長那再來我快快的問一個問題就是有關於監視錄影器的一個推動的辦理的一個狀況就是說其實在112年的時候魏福佩奇就有一些相關的說明就是說我們的這些監視錄影設備呢\n\n19\n00:07:16,756 --> 00:07:43,678\n應該要留存30日那可是我們自己也看了11年到12年我們的唾液中心發生的不當對待就有114件可是呢在109到112年裡面我們就發現呢裡面的這個監視設備因為人為操作不當或是損壞就有10件那例行稽查發現毀損然後經現體改善就有31件所以這就造成是說我們當時才會去推那個雲端儲存的一個規定可是呢現在我們可以看到說\n\n20\n00:07:45,282 --> 00:08:00,687\n好像在上面是說因為沒有法令的規定所以現在目前是有地方那雖然我們現在已經要準備立法放在兒托法裡面了嘛那我想問一下目前在地方現在我們的一個各縣市處理的狀況是什麼好那個說市長\n\n21\n00:08:06,111 --> 00:08:33,672\n跟我們報告那當然全面性的這樣子做雲端的影像的備份的動作我們現在列在兒童推服務法的草案裡面那在立法以外那目前已經有縣市已經開始地方自己在做推動的主要是針對在例如說公辦的或者公辦民營的部分地方縣市有在推動的部分我們大概也會透過計畫性來做一個個案的來做一個相關的補助我們會持續的來做推動\n\n22\n00:08:33,712 --> 00:08:48,072\n但是沒有多少縣市已經目前我們知道應該有六個六個那我想這個進度好像稍微慢了點齁因為從也一段時間1112年我們就提供相關的補助了吧對不對所以那這個部分我們大概什麼時候要統一的推行呢\n\n23\n00:08:49,694 --> 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記憶保護兒童少年這個權益我想我們的確應該做積極的更積極 那我想最積極的第一件事情這個影片可以先撤掉嗎這個新聞片段可以嗎\n388626\t389626\t這大概要多久的時間呢\n406772\t435014\t移除下架部分就是看如果他的IP在國內那速度是相較快的那如果是國外我們可能還需要一些作業時間好我想那應該是一個月以內我們都可以把包含我們跟NCC的討論對不對要不要啟動這個自律委員會或是倫理委員會這個部分應該也是一個月之內我們都可以來完成對不對謝謝部長那再來我快快的問一個問題就是有關於監視錄影器的一個推動的辦理的一個狀況就是說其實在112年的時候魏福佩奇就有一些相關的說明就是說我們的這些監視錄影設備呢\n436756\t463678\t應該要留存30日那可是我們自己也看了11年到12年我們的唾液中心發生的不當對待就有114件可是呢在109到112年裡面我們就發現呢裡面的這個監視設備因為人為操作不當或是損壞就有10件那例行稽查發現毀損然後經現體改善就有31件所以這就造成是說我們當時才會去推那個雲端儲存的一個規定可是呢現在我們可以看到說\n465282\t480687\t好像在上面是說因為沒有法令的規定所以現在目前是有地方那雖然我們現在已經要準備立法放在兒托法裡面了嘛那我想問一下目前在地方現在我們的一個各縣市處理的狀況是什麼好 那個說市長\n486111\t513672\t跟我們報告那當然全面性的這樣子做雲端的影像的備份的動作我們現在列在兒童推服務法的草案裡面那在立法以外那目前已經有縣市已經開始地方自己在做推動的主要是針對在例如說公辦的或者公辦民營的部分地方縣市有在推動的部分我們大概也會透過計畫性來做一個個案的來做一個相關的補助我們會持續的來做推動\n513712\t528072\t但是沒有多少縣市已經 目前我們知道應該有六個六個 那我想這個進度好像稍微慢了點齁因為從也一段時間1112年我們就提供相關的補助了吧 對不對所以那這個部分我們大概什麼時候要統一的推行呢\n529694\t552372\t這個部分在全面推行的部分確實我們有徵詢過相關的法律跟法律的專家的意見那認為這個部分確實是未來要做有法律上的有法源的要求鼓勵他們嘛鼓勵的部分我們一直有持續的在做好那因為我時間差不多那我們事後再約個時間好不好就是各個縣市到底現在到底卡在哪裡好不好謝謝好的謝謝好我們\n","txt":"請部長跟保護司長\n我也好好那我想我今天針對於就是說媒體報導的部分想要來請教那個部長跟司長就是說上個禮拜上一個禮拜我們這個三小的車禍造成一個三死十二傷其實有很多小孩我想大家都非常清楚他就是國中小的小孩那其實大家都非常的痛苦那這個事件發生之後因為當下的其實是一個下課時間其實有很多小孩的同學完全的目擊事發的經過\n可是呢我想先詢問一下我們現在有沒有去掌握學校有沒有提供一些心理的支持系統去照顧這一些可能是他的同學可能是不及這件事件的小孩還有這個包含當天我們可以看到這個導護老師在現場也是最後也是崩潰在路邊打哭我們有沒有提供相關的心理支持系統呢\n報告一下一發生事情的時候當然第一個緊急醫療救治來最重要這三家醫院我們馬上去了解他們的整個照護量能那回報的都是已經有做最適當的一個醫療處理我講的其實是目睹現場的小孩接下來第二個我們馬上請設公司\n跟心理師去了解一下是不是我們這些家庭當然包括學校裡面有目睹的受傷害的家庭這個當然是最重要第二個就是看到目睹的一個心理這個部分我們都有請社工師跟心理師去協助新北市政府新北市政府已經有提供相關的心理支援\n到學校裡了嗎這個可不可以說明再清楚一點社工是不是回答一下好謝謝委員的關心那事實上在上禮拜我們林政務次長也召開一個這個案子的專案會議就是本部行政院的相關部會包括教育部那還有新北市政府的教育局跟社會局我們有做過一些討論\n那因為這個事件蠻多是這個那個國小的那個師生那所以社會局跟教局他們有做一些分工針對學生師生的部分是由那個學校的輔導老師跟社工師等等來做一個介入跟瞭解那如果不是學校的人員呢那就是由我們社會局的社工用一戶一社工一個方式來關懷他們的一個狀況跟提供後續的一個協助\n我想問一下學校這個資源會協助到小孩到什麼樣子的狀況因為他可能不是一次就結束了所以我們會跟新北市他們會了解一下新北市這個資源會投入大概到什麼時候會監觀察小孩子的狀況\n那跟委員報告因為這個部分是在教育局我想我們可以來瞭解但是我相信他們也有相關的一個經驗在學校的輔導資源的一個部分那可能如果需要事後再跟委員來回報好謝謝那再下一個問題再下一個問題我想大家可能也都有看到這個新聞就是這個\n講起來是蠻痛心的就是這個小孩子他被了很多的媒體圍堵然後去採訪他如何他的這個他經歷了這件事情他的心情是什麼樣子那這個小孩其實他在整個新聞的過程之中他其實已經幾乎崩潰了\n他是用一种非常颤抖的声音去描述了整个事发的经过因为他的同学就突然不见了所以他其实在过程中他也速度大哭所以其实如果你认真看完其实真的是非常非常的心疼然后我自己看了都觉得非常的痛苦那其实我也收到一些家长的澄清他们认为说媒体不应该在这个当下去访问这个小孩第一个第二个他们不应该把这样子的内容再放到网路上面去\n因為這個小孩非常明確的就是已經崩潰可是又持續的去訪談他那這個事後我們到底有沒有人可以去接觸這個小孩是完全不知道的所以我想這件事情其實看起來就是我們為了追求新聞的利益已經凌駕了兒少最佳利益的這件事情所以我想問一下就是說雖然在我們的兒少法第69條裡面呢它不是在這個下面所列的這個規範可是如果我們看一下\n下一個我們來看一下中華民國電視學會新聞委員會的一個自律公約他就有講到如果說這個是小朋友的一些新聞報導如果是傷者被害者及罹難者的家屬訪問應該要尊重當事人的意願及身心狀況以及如果說今天對於兒童的事件報導不得有行為兒童及少年的姓名這些我們都非常清楚\n其中特別重要的是如果我們要採訪兒少當事人應先表明記者身份及取得兒少兒童兒少本人還有監護人之同意應在非強迫或違反兒童少年當事人的受訪意願之下才可以進行採訪報導我認為我們這一篇報導其實已經違反了這個自律公約所以我想作為\n衛福部是兒少的主管機關是不是可以盡快的來跟NCC的討論避免這個小孩受到惡毒的傷害那是不是這邊可以承諾我們盡快的來跟NCC要求他啟動媒體的自律委員會或是倫理委員會來討論這樣子的採訪行為是否過當那因為我想衛福部就是一個保護我們兒少的主管機關這件事情是不是可以要求衛福部盡快的來完成呢\n沒問題 記憶保護兒童少年這個權益我想我們的確應該做積極的更積極 那我想最積極的第一件事情這個影片可以先撤掉嗎這個新聞片段可以嗎\n這大概要多久的時間呢\n移除下架部分就是看如果他的IP在國內那速度是相較快的那如果是國外我們可能還需要一些作業時間好我想那應該是一個月以內我們都可以把包含我們跟NCC的討論對不對要不要啟動這個自律委員會或是倫理委員會這個部分應該也是一個月之內我們都可以來完成對不對謝謝部長那再來我快快的問一個問題就是有關於監視錄影器的一個推動的辦理的一個狀況就是說其實在112年的時候魏福佩奇就有一些相關的說明就是說我們的這些監視錄影設備呢\n應該要留存30日那可是我們自己也看了11年到12年我們的唾液中心發生的不當對待就有114件可是呢在109到112年裡面我們就發現呢裡面的這個監視設備因為人為操作不當或是損壞就有10件那例行稽查發現毀損然後經現體改善就有31件所以這就造成是說我們當時才會去推那個雲端儲存的一個規定可是呢現在我們可以看到說\n好像在上面是說因為沒有法令的規定所以現在目前是有地方那雖然我們現在已經要準備立法放在兒托法裡面了嘛那我想問一下目前在地方現在我們的一個各縣市處理的狀況是什麼好 那個說市長\n跟我們報告那當然全面性的這樣子做雲端的影像的備份的動作我們現在列在兒童推服務法的草案裡面那在立法以外那目前已經有縣市已經開始地方自己在做推動的主要是針對在例如說公辦的或者公辦民營的部分地方縣市有在推動的部分我們大概也會透過計畫性來做一個個案的來做一個相關的補助我們會持續的來做推動\n但是沒有多少縣市已經 目前我們知道應該有六個六個 那我想這個進度好像稍微慢了點齁因為從也一段時間1112年我們就提供相關的補助了吧 對不對所以那這個部分我們大概什麼時候要統一的推行呢\n這個部分在全面推行的部分確實我們有徵詢過相關的法律跟法律的專家的意見那認為這個部分確實是未來要做有法律上的有法源的要求鼓勵他們嘛鼓勵的部分我們一直有持續的在做好那因為我時間差不多那我們事後再約個時間好不好就是各個縣市到底現在到底卡在哪裡好不好謝謝好的謝謝好我們\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.540 --> 00:11.023\n請部長跟保護司長\n\n00:17.116 --> 00:43.206\n我也好好那我想我今天針對於就是說媒體報導的部分想要來請教那個部長跟司長就是說上個禮拜上一個禮拜我們這個三小的車禍造成一個三死十二傷其實有很多小孩我想大家都非常清楚他就是國中小的小孩那其實大家都非常的痛苦那這個事件發生之後因為當下的其實是一個下課時間其實有很多小孩的同學完全的目擊事發的經過\n\n00:44.887 --> 01:10.752\n可是呢我想先詢問一下我們現在有沒有去掌握學校有沒有提供一些心理的支持系統去照顧這一些可能是他的同學可能是不及這件事件的小孩還有這個包含當天我們可以看到這個導護老師在現場也是最後也是崩潰在路邊打哭我們有沒有提供相關的心理支持系統呢\n\n01:13.406 --> 01:29.675\n報告一下一發生事情的時候當然第一個緊急醫療救治來最重要這三家醫院我們馬上去了解他們的整個照護量能那回報的都是已經有做最適當的一個醫療處理我講的其實是目睹現場的小孩接下來第二個我們馬上請設公司\n\n01:34.897 --> 02:02.827\n跟心理師去了解一下是不是我們這些家庭當然包括學校裡面有目睹的受傷害的家庭這個當然是最重要第二個就是看到目睹的一個心理這個部分我們都有請社工師跟心理師去協助新北市政府新北市政府已經有提供相關的心理支援\n\n02:03.607 --> 02:24.864\n到學校裡了嗎這個可不可以說明再清楚一點社工是不是回答一下好謝謝委員的關心那事實上在上禮拜我們林政務次長也召開一個這個案子的專案會議就是本部行政院的相關部會包括教育部那還有新北市政府的教育局跟社會局我們有做過一些討論\n\n02:25.825 --> 02:54.493\n那因為這個事件蠻多是這個那個國小的那個師生那所以社會局跟教局他們有做一些分工針對學生師生的部分是由那個學校的輔導老師跟社工師等等來做一個介入跟瞭解那如果不是學校的人員呢那就是由我們社會局的社工用一戶一社工一個方式來關懷他們的一個狀況跟提供後續的一個協助\n\n02:54.653 --> 03:08.215\n我想問一下學校這個資源會協助到小孩到什麼樣子的狀況因為他可能不是一次就結束了所以我們會跟新北市他們會了解一下新北市這個資源會投入大概到什麼時候會監觀察小孩子的狀況\n\n03:10.097 --> 03:30.904\n那跟委員報告因為這個部分是在教育局我想我們可以來瞭解但是我相信他們也有相關的一個經驗在學校的輔導資源的一個部分那可能如果需要事後再跟委員來回報好謝謝那再下一個問題再下一個問題我想大家可能也都有看到這個新聞就是這個\n\n03:33.012 --> 03:49.492\n講起來是蠻痛心的就是這個小孩子他被了很多的媒體圍堵然後去採訪他如何他的這個他經歷了這件事情他的心情是什麼樣子那這個小孩其實他在整個新聞的過程之中他其實已經幾乎崩潰了\n\n03:51.738 --> 04:20.877\n他是用一种非常颤抖的声音去描述了整个事发的经过因为他的同学就突然不见了所以他其实在过程中他也速度大哭所以其实如果你认真看完其实真的是非常非常的心疼然后我自己看了都觉得非常的痛苦那其实我也收到一些家长的澄清他们认为说媒体不应该在这个当下去访问这个小孩第一个第二个他们不应该把这样子的内容再放到网路上面去\n\n04:22.238 --> 04:50.001\n因為這個小孩非常明確的就是已經崩潰可是又持續的去訪談他那這個事後我們到底有沒有人可以去接觸這個小孩是完全不知道的所以我想這件事情其實看起來就是我們為了追求新聞的利益已經凌駕了兒少最佳利益的這件事情所以我想問一下就是說雖然在我們的兒少法第69條裡面呢它不是在這個下面所列的這個規範可是如果我們看一下\n\n04:51.062 --> 05:16.413\n下一個我們來看一下中華民國電視學會新聞委員會的一個自律公約他就有講到如果說這個是小朋友的一些新聞報導如果是傷者被害者及罹難者的家屬訪問應該要尊重當事人的意願及身心狀況以及如果說今天對於兒童的事件報導不得有行為兒童及少年的姓名這些我們都非常清楚\n\n05:17.213 --> 05:40.545\n其中特別重要的是如果我們要採訪兒少當事人應先表明記者身份及取得兒少兒童兒少本人還有監護人之同意應在非強迫或違反兒童少年當事人的受訪意願之下才可以進行採訪報導我認為我們這一篇報導其實已經違反了這個自律公約所以我想作為\n\n05:41.505 --> 06:10.741\n衛福部是兒少的主管機關是不是可以盡快的來跟NCC的討論避免這個小孩受到惡毒的傷害那是不是這邊可以承諾我們盡快的來跟NCC要求他啟動媒體的自律委員會或是倫理委員會來討論這樣子的採訪行為是否過當那因為我想衛福部就是一個保護我們兒少的主管機關這件事情是不是可以要求衛福部盡快的來完成呢\n\n06:11.786 --> 06:24.274\n沒問題記憶保護兒童少年這個權益我想我們的確應該做積極的更積極那我想最積極的第一件事情這個影片可以先撤掉嗎這個新聞片段可以嗎\n\n06:28.626 --> 06:29.626\n這大概要多久的時間呢\n\n06:46.772 --> 07:15.014\n移除下架部分就是看如果他的IP在國內那速度是相較快的那如果是國外我們可能還需要一些作業時間好我想那應該是一個月以內我們都可以把包含我們跟NCC的討論對不對要不要啟動這個自律委員會或是倫理委員會這個部分應該也是一個月之內我們都可以來完成對不對謝謝部長那再來我快快的問一個問題就是有關於監視錄影器的一個推動的辦理的一個狀況就是說其實在112年的時候魏福佩奇就有一些相關的說明就是說我們的這些監視錄影設備呢\n\n07:16.756 --> 07:43.678\n應該要留存30日那可是我們自己也看了11年到12年我們的唾液中心發生的不當對待就有114件可是呢在109到112年裡面我們就發現呢裡面的這個監視設備因為人為操作不當或是損壞就有10件那例行稽查發現毀損然後經現體改善就有31件所以這就造成是說我們當時才會去推那個雲端儲存的一個規定可是呢現在我們可以看到說\n\n07:45.282 --> 08:00.687\n好像在上面是說因為沒有法令的規定所以現在目前是有地方那雖然我們現在已經要準備立法放在兒托法裡面了嘛那我想問一下目前在地方現在我們的一個各縣市處理的狀況是什麼好那個說市長\n\n08:06.111 --> 08:33.672\n跟我們報告那當然全面性的這樣子做雲端的影像的備份的動作我們現在列在兒童推服務法的草案裡面那在立法以外那目前已經有縣市已經開始地方自己在做推動的主要是針對在例如說公辦的或者公辦民營的部分地方縣市有在推動的部分我們大概也會透過計畫性來做一個個案的來做一個相關的補助我們會持續的來做推動\n\n08:33.712 --> 08:48.072\n但是沒有多少縣市已經目前我們知道應該有六個六個那我想這個進度好像稍微慢了點齁因為從也一段時間1112年我們就提供相關的補助了吧對不對所以那這個部分我們大概什麼時候要統一的推行呢\n\n08:49.694 --> 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