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00:02:05,508\n要看他的法定職長的必要範圍內來進行利用若不在法定職長必要範圍內當然有一些例外的事由但是在現有這邊還夾雜一個很重要就是他有一個強烈的作用法在這邊已經先出現了那因為個資法是框架法很多東西最後會去看他法定職長這個法會回到公職人員就是目前選罷法授權去訂的公職人員罷免提議連署及查對作用辦法\n\n7\n00:02:05,808 --> 00:02:28,839\n如果這個辦法裡面大概已經有去揭示說機關在進行資料的一個需要去進行的收集跟利用對象已經有一個框架去做前置的收集那我們覺得這邊應該是先優先所以他應該是要先依照這個作業辦法裡面寄送查詢單去嗎直接因為簽名的潦草而就剔除掉這個顯然有爭議的嘛\n\n8\n00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:52,394\n這部分當然是由這個作用法中選會再來做因為這個也就是有很多的紛爭甚至於未來的部分怎麼樣去避免侵占到各資的問題這個都會有所以也希望這個組織成立之後這一塊事情要更多的加強去做溝通跟宣導避免讓公務員不小心觸法特別是所有的重要的各資公家機關都掌握都有的\n\n9\n00:02:52,534 --> 00:03:17,415\n但是各自不是能夠輕易的使用他的他必須很節制的使用那像這種的等於是他直接光這樣的講法的話他說跟戶政系統登錄差異太大那顯然如果照這樣的語意上他有去比對那比對恐怕就有問題了你怎麼可以輕易的去輕易的去用這樣的方式去做比對我覺得我用的這個就已經有侵犯到各自的問題更何況是你應該是先用查詢單所以像這個就是一個\n\n10\n00:03:18,215 --> 00:03:35,018\n變形的例子那更不要講像花蓮花蓮的部分也是這個也涉及到個資的部分他直接就透過整個戶政系統去做相關的一些調查照理說你有任何狀況也應該是有選委會來做相關的一些查詢跟釐清的動作你也可以寄出查詢\n\n11\n00:03:35,859 --> 00:03:56,675\n查詢單碼怎麼會是透過護證系統那誰授權你做這件事情誰授權護證系統去做這件事情的那這件事情包括指揮者現在看來是所以被起訴了嘛看來是這個局長處長本身但是公務人員在接受到這樣指令的時候他也要如果是明知違法他也要必須要去做\n\n12\n00:03:57,736 --> 00:04:07,557\n他不能夠直接去做違法的事項我認為這個裡面都有很多未來需要加強去做宣導對於各自保護的加強宣導主任怎麼看這些工作是不是應該持續要來加強\n\n13\n00:04:09,338 --> 00:04:32,597\n是剛剛也跟委員有報告說未來的個資會成立之後首先當然會把公部門先去納管那有關於當然這個個案裡面有另外涉及到個資法41法我再補充一個因為時間到了你看像基隆的民政處長這個也是被收押進鑑他這個更誇張他是直接把裡面的資料如果照他的起訴書是把裡面的資料\n\n14\n00:04:33,938 --> 00:04:53,437\n這個基隆市政府的資料拿出來給別人可以去做抄寫那這個更嚴重就等於是你形同是把內部的個資直接洩漏出去所以像這些問題這個下令者本身很嚴重但是執行者誰執行的為什麼可以執行就公務員對未來這件事情都必須非常非常謹慎包括甚至於很多的\n\n15\n00:04:53,877 --> 00:05:09,183\n一些重大的一些這個個資甚至於中共啦其他很多的不斷在竊取我們的一些個資甚至有的販賣個資的這些恐怕都是未來我就認為這個單位成立會要加強的工作這個主任有沒有什麼樣未來要做的加強的部分是未來個資法\n\n16\n00:05:11,943 --> 00:05:32,946\n在我們的個資法作用法我們會有一個架構就是會有一個政策推進的會議我們會把上級機關跟中央目的世界機關也都會先找進來這部分當然跟內政部未來一定會有一個橫向協力有關於說個人資料保護的這樣一個制度的一個法制的一個遵循跟落實\n\n17\n00:05:33,787 --> 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這些工作是不是應該持續要來加強\n是 剛剛也跟委員有報告說未來的個資會成立之後首先當然會把公部門先去納管那有關於當然這個個案裡面有另外涉及到個資法41法我再補充一個 因為時間到了你看像基隆的民政處長這個也是被收押進鑑他這個更誇張 他是直接把裡面的資料如果照他的起訴書是把裡面的資料\n這個基隆市政府的資料拿出來給別人可以去做抄寫那這個更嚴重就等於是你形同是把內部的個資直接洩漏出去所以像這些問題這個下令者本身很嚴重但是執行者誰執行的為什麼可以執行就公務員對未來這件事情都必須非常非常謹慎包括甚至於很多的\n一些重大的一些這個個資甚至於中共啦其他很多的不斷在竊取我們的一些個資甚至有的販賣個資的這些恐怕都是未來我就認為這個單位成立會要加強的工作這個主任有沒有什麼樣未來要做的加強的部分是 未來個資法\n在我們的個資法作用法我們會有一個架構就是會有一個政策推進的會議我們會把上級機關跟中央目的世界機關也都會先找進來這部分當然跟內政部未來一定會有一個橫向協力有關於說個人資料保護的這樣一個制度的一個法制的一個遵循跟落實\n當然在部分會個人資料保護會成立之後一定會往這個方向我們希望組織成立之後對於整個個人資料保護會有更嚴密的一些效果同時也有更強的宣導效果不要讓輕易的讓我們各自在輕易的外洩謝謝賴瑞榮委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.069 --> 00:06.652\n這個憲法法庭明定在判決的三年內要建立獨立的監督機制也就是在今年的8月12號要完成\n\n00:22.800 --> 00:32.548\n就是朝這個目標來完成那這幾天如果順利的假如今天出委員會那院會也順利完成了這個三讀程序在8月12前來成立應該沒問題吧\n\n00:34.539 --> 00:51.604\n就是因為當然還會有一些接下來通過之後行政委還要指定施行日期然後還有要整個配合作用法的部分那因為作法另外還在經濟委員會要審不過我們還是就是努力先往這個方向從8月12號來完成然後符合憲法法庭的規定是我們努力\n\n00:52.364 --> 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