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00:00:52,117\n沒有獨立監督機制沒有建立相關法制所以要求我們在這個三年內宣誓三年內所以正好是今年的8月11宣誓是111年8月12所以在今年8月11之前理論上是要掛牌對不對\n\n3\n00:00:53,937 --> 00:01:05,726\n就是我們朝這個方向前進也要看今天這個會不會順利通過啦那剛剛這個我特別也關心一個部分剛剛前面也有委員提到啦我們這個\n\n4\n00:01:07,521 --> 00:01:33,694\n個人資料保護委員會目前在按照這個草案的第一條它是相當中央三級獨立機關那中央三級獨立機關目前有的好像像河安會像這個運安會這也是三級獨立機關那我看我們的草案的第三條這部分剛才這個有委員特別關心這部分我事實上也是特別關心這個部分我們在這個第三條裡面第一項規定就是說本會委員會置五到七人那這個\n\n5\n00:01:35,151 --> 00:01:55,062\n更重要的是在第二項,第二項裡面有說主任委員、副主任委員由這個專任委員由行政院長任命,其餘委員由行政院院長就有關機關人員或學者專家分別聘任之。主任,我的有關機關是什麼意思?哪一些機關是有關機關,哪一些機關是無關機關呢?\n\n6\n00:01:58,274 --> 00:02:13,819\n目前現在因為這個的體制我們在其他的三級獨立機關也有這樣的用語有關機關好像沒有吧有有關機關那我們有關個資的部分你現在可以舉出哪個例子是無關機關嗎\n\n7\n00:02:15,599 --> 00:02:34,125\n他應該是這個文字的意思是說院長可以針對比如說我們今天講的需要說科技的部分需要那個速發部這邊有一個人來擔任那可能就會變成這邊有關機關不過目前這部分只是一個這個時間的關係再來就是我們只設五到七人\n\n8\n00:02:39,707 --> 00:02:49,678\n這個但是你按照這個第三條第四項本這個本會委員應具有的這個相關的學識經驗就包括個人資料保護法律資訊科技\n\n9\n00:02:51,658 --> 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