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00:02:10,768\n那所以這部分我們未來個人資料保護法會成立之後會依照就是新修之後的個人資料保護法來做他該有的監督的這樣的一個責任尤其是剛剛有提到說個資法的18條對公務機關的安全維護義務然後非公務機關是我們20條之一那邊有一個兩邊都會有一個這個授權條款要去訂更詳細整個個人資料這個執法非常的重要\n\n6\n00:02:11,588 --> 00:02:26,995\n第18條跟第20條之一但是重點就是在於既然成立我們希望要有效能所以本席在這邊也就是說各自會在得知資料外洩之後發生之後他才需要通知當事人\n\n7\n00:02:29,168 --> 00:02:47,854\n是由公務機關跟備工才通知嘛他已經知道有才通知他嘛但是我們來看看國際的做法國際看到異常登錄或者是交易等他就能夠提前的預警的來通知甚至調查的做法\n\n8\n00:02:49,015 --> 00:03:09,956\n那是措施用這種措施提早那你認為呢就不錯啊但是因為這部分去各個行業假如今天你在設計你的資料收集處理利用的過程裡面有一個多因子的這種方式你有一個預檢的效果當然是成效會更好啊沒有錯但是這個不用到修法這個本來在\n\n9\n00:03:10,436 --> 00:03:13,180\n我們剛才說18條跟20條之一執法會這麼做嗎請教會不會這麼做會不會這麼做會不會做預警措施會不會這麼做我們會往這方面來前進往這方面來定定之\n\n10\n00:03:27,620 --> 00:03:43,027\n因為我們還要特別強調就是說你如果賦予他有主動調查命令矯正以及暫停處分那這樣子你有實質的監理權限是不是更加的\n\n11\n00:03:44,572 --> 00:04:03,184\n讓人民得到一個保障也就是能夠真正的來落實這個效能請說明因為在我們目前的全線的設計第三章之一公部門跟私部門我們兩邊也都有賦予給它相關剛剛委員所提到的\n\n12\n00:04:03,598 --> 00:04:24,176\n那公部門當然是發現的時候我們去調查發覺這個東西不能我們就會做命改正非公務機關那邊也是一樣會有這樣的一個機制同時會去進行那接下來我們再看看GDPR的這個他們的做法他們在監管單位他是有建立一個什麼舉報申訴\n\n13\n00:04:27,729 --> 00:04:56,572\n處理以及跨境合作的機制是請教我們在這方面的功能有吶喊進來嗎是這部分因為本來就內涵在我們最傳統所看到人民陳情的功能裡面就會有含到說有人會來檢舉跟舉報所以那個本來就跨境合作機制跨境合作機制最多就是就是有關於涉及到資料國際傳輸我們有沒有要去進行限制那這裡面會有一些合作機制我們現在國家已經有加入GDPR\n\n14\n00:04:59,513 --> 00:05:21,918\n這個方面我們都有加入跨境合作機制在目前來講是非常非常的重要這一點我們要審慎為之那麼當然為什麼會提問這個呢也就是各自為未來的角色是什麼因為我們往前看重大的各自外洩的事件頻傳我們看到輔仁大學他連膚色醫院他都各自外洩\n\n15\n00:05:23,550 --> 00:05:39,016\n我們也看到包括了健保署、華航、Iron還有成品都有這樣的事件那麼還有一個最嚴肅的一個面向也就2023年的時候那麼有在暗網的論壇裡頭您是販售\n\n16\n00:05:42,003 --> 00:06:00,763\n但是我們全國互證的資料2300萬筆而且他的雷同度非常的高但是到目前為止到目前為止政府只告訴我們什麼只告訴我們說他也不查源頭他只有告訴社會大眾說不是從非來自官方\n\n17\n00:06:01,741 --> 00:06:19,946\n就這樣子就像是一個無頭公案啊告訴我們說不是從哪裡來的非官方來的那我們當然人民要知道啊到底有沒有這回事啊那到底我們的個資有沒有得到保護啊我們都得不到政府告訴我們\n\n18\n00:06:20,746 --> 00:06:48,135\n所以在這種情況之下各自會的角色相對的是非常非常的重要所以我最後還是要強調各自會它是多元跟獨立的但是我也希望也就是能夠讓公民的一個參與他們的聲音務必要加入才能夠真正的我希望達到一個公開透明的這個制度所以我具體建議除了公開透明的制度之外\n\n19\n00:06:48,835 --> 00:07:16,671\n我們是不是應當未來各自成立的時候我們要定期的來發布調查的報告開放會議的記錄甚至有人提建議喔就剛才我特別講的希望讓公民讓民間的聲音能夠加入進來才能夠真正的完善了整個的各自保護機制您的看法呢對我們在第八條版也就設計整個一些開會做成是硬公開的公開透明喔好謝謝\n\n20\n00:07:18,113 --> 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我們兩邊也都有賦予給它相關剛剛委員所提到的\n243598\t264176\t那公部門當然是發現的時候我們去調查發覺這個東西不能我們就會做命改正非公務機關那邊也是一樣會有這樣的一個機制同時會去進行那接下來我們再看看GDPR的這個他們的做法他們在監管單位他是有建立一個什麼舉報申訴\n267729\t296572\t處理以及跨境合作的機制是請教我們在這方面的功能有吶喊進來嗎是這部分因為本來就內涵在我們最傳統所看到人民陳情的功能裡面就會有含到說有人會來檢舉跟舉報所以那個本來就跨境合作機制跨境合作機制最多就是就是有關於涉及到資料國際傳輸我們有沒有要去進行限制那這裡面會有一些合作機制我們現在國家已經有加入GDPR\n299513\t321918\t這個方面我們都有加入跨境合作機制在目前來講是非常非常的重要這一點我們要審慎為之那麼當然為什麼會提問這個呢也就是各自為未來的角色是什麼因為我們往前看重大的各自外洩的事件頻傳我們看到輔仁大學他連膚色醫院他都各自外洩\n323550\t339016\t我們也看到包括了健保署、華航、Iron還有成品都有這樣的事件那麼還有一個最嚴肅的一個面向也就2023年的時候那麼有在暗網的論壇裡頭您是販售\n342003\t360763\t但是我們全國互證的資料2300萬筆而且他的雷同度非常的高但是到目前為止到目前為止政府只告訴我們什麼只告訴我們說他也不查源頭他只有告訴社會大眾說不是從非來自官方\n361741\t379946\t就這樣子就像是一個無頭公案啊告訴我們說不是從哪裡來的非官方來的那我們當然人民要知道啊到底有沒有這回事啊那到底我們的個資有沒有得到保護啊我們都得不到政府告訴我們\n380746\t408135\t所以在這種情況之下各自會的角色相對的是非常非常的重要所以我最後還是要強調各自會它是多元跟獨立的但是我也希望也就是能夠讓公民的一個參與他們的聲音務必要加入才能夠真正的我希望達到一個公開透明的這個制度所以我具體建議除了公開透明的制度之外\n408835\t436671\t我們是不是應當未來各自成立的時候我們要定期的來發布調查的報告開放會議的記錄甚至有人提建議喔 就剛才我特別講的希望讓公民 讓民間的聲音能夠加入進來才能夠真正的完善了整個的各自保護機制您的看法呢對 我們在第八條版也就設計整個一些開會做成是硬公開的公開透明喔好 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我們兩邊也都有賦予給它相關剛剛委員所提到的\n那公部門當然是發現的時候我們去調查發覺這個東西不能我們就會做命改正非公務機關那邊也是一樣會有這樣的一個機制同時會去進行那接下來我們再看看GDPR的這個他們的做法他們在監管單位他是有建立一個什麼舉報申訴\n處理以及跨境合作的機制是請教我們在這方面的功能有吶喊進來嗎是這部分因為本來就內涵在我們最傳統所看到人民陳情的功能裡面就會有含到說有人會來檢舉跟舉報所以那個本來就跨境合作機制跨境合作機制最多就是就是有關於涉及到資料國際傳輸我們有沒有要去進行限制那這裡面會有一些合作機制我們現在國家已經有加入GDPR\n這個方面我們都有加入跨境合作機制在目前來講是非常非常的重要這一點我們要審慎為之那麼當然為什麼會提問這個呢也就是各自為未來的角色是什麼因為我們往前看重大的各自外洩的事件頻傳我們看到輔仁大學他連膚色醫院他都各自外洩\n我們也看到包括了健保署、華航、Iron還有成品都有這樣的事件那麼還有一個最嚴肅的一個面向也就2023年的時候那麼有在暗網的論壇裡頭您是販售\n但是我們全國互證的資料2300萬筆而且他的雷同度非常的高但是到目前為止到目前為止政府只告訴我們什麼只告訴我們說他也不查源頭他只有告訴社會大眾說不是從非來自官方\n就這樣子就像是一個無頭公案啊告訴我們說不是從哪裡來的非官方來的那我們當然人民要知道啊到底有沒有這回事啊那到底我們的個資有沒有得到保護啊我們都得不到政府告訴我們\n所以在這種情況之下各自會的角色相對的是非常非常的重要所以我最後還是要強調各自會它是多元跟獨立的但是我也希望也就是能夠讓公民的一個參與他們的聲音務必要加入才能夠真正的我希望達到一個公開透明的這個制度所以我具體建議除了公開透明的制度之外\n我們是不是應當未來各自成立的時候我們要定期的來發布調查的報告開放會議的記錄甚至有人提建議喔 就剛才我特別講的希望讓公民 讓民間的聲音能夠加入進來才能夠真正的完善了整個的各自保護機制您的看法呢對 我們在第八條版也就設計整個一些開會做成是硬公開的公開透明喔好 謝謝\n好 謝謝楊瓊英委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.268 --> 00:08.311\n主任好我想對於公司部門都應當要有這樣子的一個應對措施那當然本席也極力支持我們務必要有成立專責機構來推動跟來執行保護政策跟監管措施\n\n00:30.183 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