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00:02:59,892\n這一個部分我們也希望我們能夠逐步來逆轉因為現在感覺還是以升學學歷至上這樣的文化在技職體系是非常不好的所以我們希望能夠提升學生的學用合一以及職涯發展率以上這兩個部分是不是可以簡單的\n\n9\n00:03:00,472 --> 00:03:14,348\n感謝我也關心計時教育的人才培益確實我們我上任以後也一直責成這個國教署跟這一個計時師怎麼樣讓我們技高的學生真正能夠學到一技專長而且能夠為產業所用\n\n10\n00:03:15,529 --> 00:03:23,399\n包含這個證照所以你們做了些什麼就是要改善這種現況你們有什麼樣的策略呢我想這個部分我們當然也會透過一個跨部會比如說簡單來講我們現在目前的一個計時證照是來自於勞動部來這個規劃嘛\n\n11\n00:03:32,751 --> 00:03:57,366\n但是我想我們人才包括產業裡邊所需要的人才怎麼樣讓剛才委員所說的這個學用減少它的落差而且能夠真正反映出這個它的能力本位而不是只是在這個包含升學的一個方式那本席請教有沒有把這種即職就業導向你設立一個指標納入即職院校的評鑑現在有沒有這樣\n\n12\n00:03:59,090 --> 00:04:05,252\n因為我們的技職學生我們就是要讓他整個可以順利進入職場當然也許還可以更好簡單來講我們在技職這個校園的一些評鑑就是說看學生畢業以後他從事的相關領域的這個工作他的一個就業力到底是怎樣這事實上是有納進來的\n\n13\n00:04:20,898 --> 00:04:35,870\n那當然如果委員覺得還可以更細緻也歡迎委員隨時讓我們知道看怎麼樣能夠在整個課程設計包括人才培育上能夠有一個更好的一些模式我們一起來努力那最後還有一個點就是\n\n14\n00:04:36,830 --> 00:04:50,466\n我們現在這個整個技職教育的師資斷層還有產學鍛煉這個問題也很大我們全台灣技專院校具備五年以上的實務經驗的專任教師比例\n\n15\n00:04:52,249 --> 00:05:16,405\n遠遠低於OECD的平均值所以本席也了解因為很多的技職教師他很多都是學術出身比較缺乏產業經歷產業的一些專家所謂的業師可能會因為他兼課的一些限制或者是他們對於待遇的部分也許太低拒絕授課\n\n16\n00:05:17,185 --> 00:05:46,545\n所以这一块我们要为我们的学子打造一个要有更好的这种师资给他们然后加上我们的制度可以协助他们能够顺利的进入职场甚至这种产学合作我们应该要朝这个方向所以有关强化这种业师进入学校能够提高终点还或者他的交通补助那甚至呢技职教师的升等机制你们看看可不可以增设产业贡献指标\n\n17\n00:05:48,106 --> 00:05:56,296\n讓業界的實務合作成果然後不管是他的專利研發技術整個的轉移納入整個的考評可以嗎\n\n18\n00:05:58,300 --> 00:06:16,021\n根文報告我們目前確實都是現況也就是這樣在做那當然我們怎麼樣因為隨著科技產業那你剛剛我本席講的你這種有業界實務經驗的專任教師比例這個太少\n\n19\n00:06:17,611 --> 00:06:44,814\n因為這因為我們跟我們報告確實我們科技產業委員也本身是科技人嘛我們看到許多的這些科技產業確實把STEM的這些的這個專業人才就大量吸引那我們現在除了現有的這些技高或者技專校院的這些老師他六年他必須要自己有這個產業的這個半年的一個經驗我們同時也希望特別在技高裡面我們也看到了一些\n\n20\n00:06:45,875 --> 00:07:05,127\n科技產業的人才他們怎麼樣來協助我們這些技高或者技專校院的這些教學的一些投入可是這些產業他們就一直的會反應說我們的技職教育熄火了技職教育熄火百工百業就熄火所以我們包含師師的培育包括這樣的一個業師怎麼樣進入到學校變成一個正式的老師我們事實上包含這一個\n\n21\n00:07:14,813 --> 00:07:28,074\n實施培藝藝術師也都做了一些更彈性的一些人才研覽上的規範那今天本席提的這三大方面是不是可以請我們\n\n22\n00:07:29,232 --> 00:07:44,877\n委員所看到的問題確實也是我們現在一直在積極要努力來改善包含在施施包含產學的這些落差裡面能夠怎麼樣去培養包括證照能不能夠培養出的人才剛好能夠讓產業能夠使用不是只是一張紙在那裡\n\n23\n00:07:50,919 --> 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百工百業就熄火所以我們包含師師的培育包括這樣的一個業師怎麼樣進入到學校變成一個正式的老師我們事實上包含這一個\n434813\t448074\t實施培藝藝術師也都做了一些更彈性的一些人才研覽上的規範那今天本席提的這三大方面是不是可以請我們\n449232\t464877\t委員所看到的問題確實也是我們現在一直在積極要努力來改善包含在施施包含產學的這些落差裡面能夠怎麼樣去培養包括證照能不能夠培養出的人才剛好能夠讓產業能夠使用不是只是一張紙在那裡\n470919\t489799\t因為確實它是真的是有一些落差所以我也跟我們同仁這麼講一個季高生他今天拿了十張二十張的證照但是如果不能為產業所用看起來這個證照它事實上我們就認真的就是幾張紙在那裡因為早期他\n490760\t511799\t有證照以及證照的時候大概早期的證照還沒有畢業很多的公司都已經先畢業了他們是真正有一技之長就是說那時候的證照跟這個產業它是能夠銜接的所以我想所以現在這種現況我們加油好不好我們確實是加速來努力謝謝委員提醒\n517329\t527810\t好 谢谢徐欣颖委员质询官员请回座我们接下来有请何欣纯委员质询何欣纯委员何欣纯委员不在\n","txt":"委員好部長好部長本席今天想用一點點時間來跟您討論一下我們現在台灣的技職教育我們這個技職教育有所謂的證照制度我想您了解證照制度它可以是技能能力的一個檢定但是它不應該過度的依賴不應該過度依賴現在一張證照並沒有辦法代表我們這些\n學子的實作能力您認同嗎也沒有辦法對接瞬息萬變的產業需求確實我們在這當然要看他的歷史脈絡過去我們的證照確實是跟過去這個台灣比較是傳統產業很多的這個產業裡邊他確實反映了他的工作能力跟他所需要的專業資源您剛一直講過去所以我們現在\n現在確實在因為產業的一個隨著這個科技的快速發展確實會有一些落差所以我們應該要趕快來調整我們的政策現在我們看到教育部的統計我們全台高職生持有證照的數量有2.3萬\n但是眾所周知的我們的很多技職畢業生在職場上他沒有辦法發揮他的所長所以反映出證照和實務的巨大落差所以是不是可以來調整\n可以來調整 我們可以來推動這個證照品質指標的分級制度讓我們的學子可以針對他未來的就業有一個對接的能力也有一個明確的學習的方向也就是說我們學子他所學的跟產業的實用性應該要有一個\n一個對接的關係那除了這個本席等一下你一併回答接下來就是說本席接著進入第二個就是說我們現在的技職體系感覺上被升學主義滲透我們都很了解我們技職體系培養出來的我們其實應該是要幫助他打造職場的通道而不是幫他鋪地毯上大學吧您認同吧\n所以我們不應該讓我們的整個的技職教育變成教孩子考高分 考試考高分其實我們應該是強化他的技能\n這一個部分我們也希望我們能夠逐步來逆轉因為現在感覺還是以升學學歷至上這樣的文化在技職體系是非常不好的所以我們希望能夠提升學生的學用合一以及職涯發展率以上這兩個部分是不是可以簡單的\n感謝我也關心計時教育的人才培益確實我們我上任以後也一直責成這個國教署跟這一個計時師怎麼樣讓我們技高的學生真正能夠學到一技專長而且能夠為產業所用\n包含這個證照所以你們做了些什麼就是要改善這種現況你們有什麼樣的策略呢我想這個部分我們當然也會透過一個跨部會比如說簡單來講我們現在目前的一個計時證照是來自於勞動部來這個規劃嘛\n但是我想我們人才包括產業裡邊所需要的人才怎麼樣讓剛才委員所說的這個學用減少它的落差而且能夠真正反映出這個它的能力本位而不是只是在這個包含升學的一個方式那本席請教有沒有把這種即職就業導向你設立一個指標納入即職院校的評鑑現在有沒有這樣\n因為我們的技職學生我們就是要讓他整個可以順利進入職場當然也許還可以更好簡單來講我們在技職這個校園的一些評鑑就是說看學生畢業以後他從事的相關領域的這個工作他的一個就業力到底是怎樣這事實上是有納進來的\n那當然如果委員覺得還可以更細緻也歡迎委員隨時讓我們知道看怎麼樣能夠在整個課程設計包括人才培育上能夠有一個更好的一些模式我們一起來努力那最後還有一個點就是\n我們現在這個整個技職教育的師資斷層還有產學鍛煉這個問題也很大我們全台灣技專院校具備五年以上的實務經驗的專任教師比例\n遠遠低於OECD的平均值所以本席也了解因為很多的技職教師他很多都是學術出身比較缺乏產業經歷產業的一些專家所謂的業師可能會因為他兼課的一些限制或者是他們對於待遇的部分也許太低拒絕授課\n所以这一块我们要为我们的学子打造一个要有更好的这种师资给他们然后加上我们的制度可以协助他们能够顺利的进入职场甚至这种产学合作我们应该要朝这个方向所以有关强化这种业师进入学校能够提高终点还或者他的交通补助那甚至呢技职教师的升等机制你们看看可不可以增设产业贡献指标\n讓業界的實務合作成果然後不管是他的專利研發技術整個的轉移納入整個的考評可以嗎\n根文報告我們目前確實都是現況也就是這樣在做那當然我們怎麼樣因為隨著科技產業那你剛剛我本席講的你這種有業界實務經驗的專任教師比例這個太少\n因為這因為我們跟我們報告確實我們科技產業委員也本身是科技人嘛我們看到許多的這些科技產業確實把STEM的這些的這個專業人才就大量吸引那我們現在除了現有的這些技高或者技專校院的這些老師他六年他必須要自己有這個產業的這個半年的一個經驗我們同時也希望特別在技高裡面我們也看到了一些\n科技產業的人才他們怎麼樣來協助我們這些技高或者技專校院的這些教學的一些投入可是這些產業他們就一直的會反應說我們的技職教育熄火了技職教育熄火 百工百業就熄火所以我們包含師師的培育包括這樣的一個業師怎麼樣進入到學校變成一個正式的老師我們事實上包含這一個\n實施培藝藝術師也都做了一些更彈性的一些人才研覽上的規範那今天本席提的這三大方面是不是可以請我們\n委員所看到的問題確實也是我們現在一直在積極要努力來改善包含在施施包含產學的這些落差裡面能夠怎麼樣去培養包括證照能不能夠培養出的人才剛好能夠讓產業能夠使用不是只是一張紙在那裡\n因為確實它是真的是有一些落差所以我也跟我們同仁這麼講一個季高生他今天拿了十張二十張的證照但是如果不能為產業所用看起來這個證照它事實上我們就認真的就是幾張紙在那裡因為早期他\n有證照以及證照的時候大概早期的證照還沒有畢業很多的公司都已經先畢業了他們是真正有一技之長就是說那時候的證照跟這個產業它是能夠銜接的所以我想所以現在這種現況我們加油好不好我們確實是加速來努力謝謝委員提醒\n好 谢谢徐欣颖委员质询官员请回座我们接下来有请何欣纯委员质询何欣纯委员何欣纯委员不在\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.273 --> 00:28.832\n委員好部長好部長本席今天想用一點點時間來跟您討論一下我們現在台灣的技職教育我們這個技職教育有所謂的證照制度我想您了解證照制度它可以是技能能力的一個檢定但是它不應該過度的依賴不應該過度依賴現在一張證照並沒有辦法代表我們這些\n\n00:29.312 --> 00:53.428\n學子的實作能力您認同嗎也沒有辦法對接瞬息萬變的產業需求確實我們在這當然要看他的歷史脈絡過去我們的證照確實是跟過去這個台灣比較是傳統產業很多的這個產業裡邊他確實反映了他的工作能力跟他所需要的專業資源您剛一直講過去所以我們現在\n\n00:54.770 --> 01:11.811\n現在確實在因為產業的一個隨著這個科技的快速發展確實會有一些落差所以我們應該要趕快來調整我們的政策現在我們看到教育部的統計我們全台高職生持有證照的數量有2.3萬\n\n01:16.136 --> 01:31.895\n但是眾所周知的我們的很多技職畢業生在職場上他沒有辦法發揮他的所長所以反映出證照和實務的巨大落差所以是不是可以來調整\n\n01:33.677 --> 01:54.926\n可以來調整我們可以來推動這個證照品質指標的分級制度讓我們的學子可以針對他未來的就業有一個對接的能力也有一個明確的學習的方向也就是說我們學子他所學的跟產業的實用性應該要有一個\n\n01:55.686 --> 02:25.026\n一個對接的關係那除了這個本席等一下你一併回答接下來就是說本席接著進入第二個就是說我們現在的技職體系感覺上被升學主義滲透我們都很了解我們技職體系培養出來的我們其實應該是要幫助他打造職場的通道而不是幫他鋪地毯上大學吧您認同吧\n\n02:26.287 --> 02:39.101\n所以我們不應該讓我們的整個的技職教育變成教孩子考高分考試考高分其實我們應該是強化他的技能\n\n02:40.503 --> 02:59.892\n這一個部分我們也希望我們能夠逐步來逆轉因為現在感覺還是以升學學歷至上這樣的文化在技職體系是非常不好的所以我們希望能夠提升學生的學用合一以及職涯發展率以上這兩個部分是不是可以簡單的\n\n03:00.472 --> 03:14.348\n感謝我也關心計時教育的人才培益確實我們我上任以後也一直責成這個國教署跟這一個計時師怎麼樣讓我們技高的學生真正能夠學到一技專長而且能夠為產業所用\n\n03:15.529 --> 03:23.399\n包含這個證照所以你們做了些什麼就是要改善這種現況你們有什麼樣的策略呢我想這個部分我們當然也會透過一個跨部會比如說簡單來講我們現在目前的一個計時證照是來自於勞動部來這個規劃嘛\n\n03:32.751 --> 03:57.366\n但是我想我們人才包括產業裡邊所需要的人才怎麼樣讓剛才委員所說的這個學用減少它的落差而且能夠真正反映出這個它的能力本位而不是只是在這個包含升學的一個方式那本席請教有沒有把這種即職就業導向你設立一個指標納入即職院校的評鑑現在有沒有這樣\n\n03:59.090 --> 04:05.252\n因為我們的技職學生我們就是要讓他整個可以順利進入職場當然也許還可以更好簡單來講我們在技職這個校園的一些評鑑就是說看學生畢業以後他從事的相關領域的這個工作他的一個就業力到底是怎樣這事實上是有納進來的\n\n04:20.898 --> 04:35.870\n那當然如果委員覺得還可以更細緻也歡迎委員隨時讓我們知道看怎麼樣能夠在整個課程設計包括人才培育上能夠有一個更好的一些模式我們一起來努力那最後還有一個點就是\n\n04:36.830 --> 04:50.466\n我們現在這個整個技職教育的師資斷層還有產學鍛煉這個問題也很大我們全台灣技專院校具備五年以上的實務經驗的專任教師比例\n\n04:52.249 --> 05:16.405\n遠遠低於OECD的平均值所以本席也了解因為很多的技職教師他很多都是學術出身比較缺乏產業經歷產業的一些專家所謂的業師可能會因為他兼課的一些限制或者是他們對於待遇的部分也許太低拒絕授課\n\n05:17.185 --> 05:46.545\n所以这一块我们要为我们的学子打造一个要有更好的这种师资给他们然后加上我们的制度可以协助他们能够顺利的进入职场甚至这种产学合作我们应该要朝这个方向所以有关强化这种业师进入学校能够提高终点还或者他的交通补助那甚至呢技职教师的升等机制你们看看可不可以增设产业贡献指标\n\n05:48.106 --> 05:56.296\n讓業界的實務合作成果然後不管是他的專利研發技術整個的轉移納入整個的考評可以嗎\n\n05:58.300 --> 06:16.021\n根文報告我們目前確實都是現況也就是這樣在做那當然我們怎麼樣因為隨著科技產業那你剛剛我本席講的你這種有業界實務經驗的專任教師比例這個太少\n\n06:17.611 --> 06:44.814\n因為這因為我們跟我們報告確實我們科技產業委員也本身是科技人嘛我們看到許多的這些科技產業確實把STEM的這些的這個專業人才就大量吸引那我們現在除了現有的這些技高或者技專校院的這些老師他六年他必須要自己有這個產業的這個半年的一個經驗我們同時也希望特別在技高裡面我們也看到了一些\n\n06:45.875 --> 07:05.127\n科技產業的人才他們怎麼樣來協助我們這些技高或者技專校院的這些教學的一些投入可是這些產業他們就一直的會反應說我們的技職教育熄火了技職教育熄火百工百業就熄火所以我們包含師師的培育包括這樣的一個業師怎麼樣進入到學校變成一個正式的老師我們事實上包含這一個\n\n07:14.813 --> 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