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00:01:32,346\n跟一般的幼兒園其實辦理的方式非常的不一樣那也希望部長有機會我可以帶您去看一看所以這個部分我就是想要請教一下院長您的意見\n\n6\n00:01:33,587 --> 00:01:52,979\n如果說我們有這個托育服務諮詢會那諮詢會當中會有涉及到原住民相關的議題是不是應該邀請具備原住民兒童權益倡議的經驗或者從事原住民兒童托育服務團體的代表是不是應該要有\n\n7\n00:01:54,589 --> 00:02:21,163\n應該要考慮那希望到時候院門可以支持好不好那另外請教一下因為我們現在很關心的就是0到2歲的托育服務整部法裡面就是我們很高興特別是這一塊是很多很多的家長非常非常期待的特別是原住民族地區那麼他因為場地很不容易找到\n\n8\n00:02:21,923 --> 00:02:37,889\n所以如果這部法通過之後也很頭痛到底要在哪個地方找到這樣的場地那我知道魏福珀你們有一個原住民兒童0到2歲托育服務事辦計畫實施期程1135月1號到115年12月31請教一下目前有幾間事辦\n\n9\n00:02:46,341 --> 00:02:47,502\n圓住民地區有21所確定\n\n10\n00:03:05,281 --> 00:03:19,630\n我再確認一下好不好我要確認一下數字我拿到的數據是一所一個原住民那個咧對一個原住民兒童0到20歲托育服務事辦計畫那沒有關係我要講的是說為什麼\n\n11\n00:03:20,831 --> 00:03:48,530\n就是這個事辦計畫出來照理說是我們關心了很久大家引頸期盼但是推動的成效就是參與的監訴好像並不是那麼樂觀那到底原因在哪裡我覺得這個部分要去討論一下包括經費是不是已經有下放麻煩部長也關心瞭解一下我們馬上去瞭解那我接續就是要問那請問一下部長\n\n12\n00:03:51,071 --> 00:03:58,017\n你覺得如果部落家長他有臨時托育的需求你覺得可以送到哪裡去送到哪裡去\n\n13\n00:04:06,577 --> 00:04:30,218\n部長好我就直接講沒有啦沒有地方可以送現在就是看看隔壁鄰居有沒有人在家啦那部落協力站好像在屏東友誼所嘛對不對是啊沒關係那個後面再來跟我報告好不好我現在要講的就是說部落如果有臨時托育的需求其實大概就是只能看看隔壁有沒有人在家啦\n\n14\n00:04:30,979 --> 00:04:45,234\n可是我們看一下都會地區我光舉台北新北你看羅列洋洋灑灑什麼都有什麼居家托育服務中心育兒友善\n\n15\n00:04:46,875 --> 00:04:58,820\n園啊或者是居家托育服務中心等等甚至是也有提供公立服務的親子館居家托育服務中心很多那如果我們來看一些縣市以屏東台東花蓮來看一下邊疆\n\n16\n00:05:05,134 --> 00:05:26,686\n根據社家署提供的這個委辦的通訊錄屏東台東花蓮就各只有一個據點在大仁科技大學國立台東大學在台東縣好市日常教育基金會所以是真的很不足那現在我們看一下社家署的托育媒合平台\n\n17\n00:05:27,586 --> 00:05:52,751\n我們去搜尋也是一樣花蓮搜尋到一筆資料屏東呢搜尋到一筆資料都是托嬰中心只有一家來做所以如果我剛剛問部長那件事就是部落如果有臨時托育的需求到底要送到哪裡想一句實在話啦還是我剛剛講的部落互助教保中心\n\n18\n00:05:54,670 --> 00:06:18,493\n那這個部落互助教保中心他目前有在做2到6那如果說在這樣的狀況之下也沒有好的一個可以使用的一個地點或者是適合的這些托育人力那看起來互助教保中心他如果能夠承接0到20歲的臨時托育其實是好的所以想要請教部長\n\n19\n00:06:19,494 --> 00:06:31,261\n我的版本有有一些民間團體版本提供的他們也都支持請問部長您支不支持如果以部落來講互助教保中心能不能承接0到2歲的臨時托育現在其實有在做\n\n20\n00:06:37,799 --> 00:06:48,553\n那個其實我們也知道在那個委員的支持之下我們在屏東現在已經有一個中心嘛現在就是說美元對那我們現在目前就是說我們是不是還是以現在目前的這個示範計畫為基礎我們趕快再來推廣好這樣好不好\n\n21\n00:06:52,779 --> 00:07:01,565\n因為這個確實會對於我們整個園鄉我想這個是我們整個文化的敏感度我想這個確實應該要用這個方式好謝謝那既然如此我們未來有兒童托育法我們的法制要完備目前園民會有一個足語保母那這個足語保母呢其實是為了讓我們的這些嬰幼兒從小能夠接觸足語的環境那它有分喔一個是\n\n22\n00:07:23,579 --> 00:07:43,148\n親屬的保姆他只要具備足語能力因為是自己的親屬另外一個一般保姆呢他還是需要有托育人員的專業訓練的這些證照那重點來了原住民如果要辦理這種托育他的問題不是只有空間找不到\n\n23\n00:07:43,948 --> 00:08:06,966\n更重要的是他的人才培育人才也找不到那我們去看一下社家屬提供的這個資訊專機托育人員專業訓練課程如果我找台東0花蓮0屏東還有4班都是自費班那大仁科大有一班是平日的補助班大概就是這樣非常的缺乏啦\n\n24\n00:08:07,706 --> 00:08:24,283\n所以我們目前已經有很多的主語保母他很樂意投入但是他不見得可以來做這個參與這個托育因為他還沒有取得專業的證照可是他要去上課發現了也不容易找到可以上課訓練的地方所以我在這邊就是簡單跟部長衛福部訴求第一個就是希望支持\n\n25\n00:08:28,767 --> 00:08:54,231\n兒童托育諮詢會議如果有涉及到原住民族議題的時候希望一定要有原住民的代表能夠把它寫進法條裡面那第二個就是目前看起來互助教保中心是最適合承接0到2歲托育的那這個臨時托育的部分希望可以把它納入法條文字那第三個就是拜託可不可以多多的開設原住民托育人員專業訓練課程來因應未來法治化好不好部長\n\n26\n00:08:58,152 --> 00:09:01,236\n好我們要慢慢來努力好謝謝謝謝副長好謝謝好謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n249\t990\t主席好 有請部長來 請部長\n19096\t39222\t委員好 部長好 我們很高興就是院版也出來了很多的立委也一同的來關心響應關於兒童托育法從過去的辦法 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沒關係那個後面再來跟我報告好不好我現在要講的就是說部落如果有臨時托育的需求其實大概就是只能看看隔壁有沒有人在家啦\n270979\t285234\t可是我們看一下都會地區我光舉台北新北你看羅列洋洋灑灑什麼都有什麼居家托育服務中心育兒友善\n286875\t298820\t園啊或者是居家托育服務中心等等甚至是也有提供公立服務的親子館居家托育服務中心很多那如果我們來看一些縣市以屏東台東花蓮來看一下邊疆\n305134\t326686\t根據社家署提供的這個委辦的通訊錄屏東台東花蓮就各只有一個據點在大仁科技大學國立台東大學在台東縣好市日常教育基金會所以是真的很不足那現在我們看一下社家署的托育媒合平台\n327586\t352751\t我們去搜尋也是一樣花蓮搜尋到一筆資料屏東呢搜尋到一筆資料都是托嬰中心只有一家來做所以如果我剛剛問部長那件事就是部落如果有臨時托育的需求到底要送到哪裡想一句實在話啦還是我剛剛講的部落互助教保中心\n354670\t378493\t那這個部落互助教保中心他目前有在做2到6那如果說在這樣的狀況之下也沒有好的一個可以使用的一個地點或者是適合的這些托育人力那看起來互助教保中心他如果能夠承接0到20歲的臨時托育其實是好的所以想要請教部長\n379494\t391261\t我的版本有有一些民間團體版本提供的他們也都支持請問部長您支不支持如果以部落來講互助教保中心能不能承接0到2歲的臨時托育現在其實有在做\n397799\t408553\t那個其實我們也知道在那個委員的支持之下我們在屏東現在已經有一個中心嘛現在就是說美元對那我們現在目前就是說我們是不是還是以現在目前的這個示範計畫為基礎我們趕快再來推廣好這樣好不好\n412779\t421565\t因為這個確實會對於我們整個園鄉我想這個是我們整個文化的敏感度我想這個確實應該要用這個方式好 謝謝那既然如此我們未來有兒童托育法我們的法制要完備目前園民會有一個足語保母那這個足語保母呢其實是為了讓我們的這些嬰幼兒從小能夠接觸足語的環境那它有分喔一個是\n443579\t463148\t親屬的保姆他只要具備足語能力因為是自己的親屬另外一個一般保姆呢他還是需要有托育人員的專業訓練的這些證照那重點來了原住民如果要辦理這種托育他的問題不是只有空間找不到\n463948\t486966\t更重要的是他的人才培育人才也找不到那我們去看一下社家屬提供的這個資訊專機托育人員專業訓練課程如果我找台東0花蓮0屏東還有4班都是自費班那大仁科大有一班是平日的補助班大概就是這樣非常的缺乏啦\n487706\t504283\t所以我們目前已經有很多的主語保母他很樂意投入但是他不見得可以來做這個參與這個托育因為他還沒有取得專業的證照可是他要去上課發現了也不容易找到可以上課訓練的地方所以我在這邊就是簡單跟部長衛福部訴求第一個就是希望支持\n508767\t534231\t兒童托育諮詢會議如果有涉及到原住民族議題的時候希望一定要有原住民的代表能夠把它寫進法條裡面那第二個就是目前看起來互助教保中心是最適合承接0到2歲托育的那這個臨時托育的部分希望可以把它納入法條文字那第三個就是拜託可不可以多多的開設原住民托育人員專業訓練課程來因應未來法治化好不好 部長\n538152\t541236\t好 我們要慢慢來努力好 謝謝謝謝副長好 謝謝好 謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"主席好 有請部長來 請部長\n委員好 部長好 我們很高興就是院版也出來了很多的立委也一同的來關心響應關於兒童托育法從過去的辦法 現在我們終於要有一部兒童托育法那其中就是一定會有一個所謂的服務諮詢會\n那我看到院版就是沒有關注到原住民相關的這一些代表那我個人或者是有一些民間團體有注意到這個問題因為\n當我們在講所謂的托育方式的時候其實不同的族群 特別是原住民族群它有別於一般的托育方式所以如果部長您有機會去看原鄉有一個原住民地區的互助教保中心部落互助教保中心 非常的特別\n跟一般的幼兒園其實辦理的方式非常的不一樣那也希望部長有機會我可以帶您去看一看所以這個部分我就是想要請教一下院長您的意見\n如果說我們有這個托育服務諮詢會那諮詢會當中會有涉及到原住民相關的議題是不是應該邀請具備原住民兒童權益倡議的經驗或者從事原住民兒童托育服務團體的代表是不是應該要有\n應該要考慮那希望到時候院門可以支持好不好那另外請教一下因為我們現在很關心的就是0到2歲的托育服務整部法裡面就是我們很高興特別是這一塊是很多很多的家長非常非常期待的特別是原住民族地區那麼他因為場地很不容易找到\n所以如果這部法通過之後 也很頭痛到底要在哪個地方找到這樣的場地那我知道 魏福珀你們有一個原住民兒童0到2歲托育服務事辦計畫實施期程113 5月1號到115年12月31請教一下 目前有幾間事辦\n圓住民地區有21所確定\n我再確認一下好不好 我要確認一下數字我拿到的數據是一所一個原住民那個咧對 一個原住民兒童0到20歲托育服務事辦計畫那沒有關係 我要講的是說為什麼\n就是這個事辦計畫出來照理說是我們關心了很久大家引頸期盼但是推動的成效就是參與的監訴好像並不是那麼樂觀那到底原因在哪裡我覺得這個部分要去討論一下包括經費是不是已經有下放麻煩部長也關心瞭解一下我們馬上去瞭解那我接續就是要問那請問一下部長\n你覺得如果部落家長他有臨時托育的需求你覺得可以送到哪裡去送到哪裡去\n部長 好 我就直接講沒有啦 沒有地方可以送現在就是看看隔壁鄰居有沒有人在家啦那部落協力站好像在屏東友誼所嘛對不對是啊 沒關係那個後面再來跟我報告好不好我現在要講的就是說部落如果有臨時托育的需求其實大概就是只能看看隔壁有沒有人在家啦\n可是我們看一下都會地區我光舉台北新北你看羅列洋洋灑灑什麼都有什麼居家托育服務中心育兒友善\n園啊或者是居家托育服務中心等等甚至是也有提供公立服務的親子館居家托育服務中心很多那如果我們來看一些縣市以屏東台東花蓮來看一下邊疆\n根據社家署提供的這個委辦的通訊錄屏東台東花蓮就各只有一個據點在大仁科技大學國立台東大學在台東縣好市日常教育基金會所以是真的很不足那現在我們看一下社家署的托育媒合平台\n我們去搜尋也是一樣花蓮搜尋到一筆資料屏東呢搜尋到一筆資料都是托嬰中心只有一家來做所以如果我剛剛問部長那件事就是部落如果有臨時托育的需求到底要送到哪裡想一句實在話啦還是我剛剛講的部落互助教保中心\n那這個部落互助教保中心他目前有在做2到6那如果說在這樣的狀況之下也沒有好的一個可以使用的一個地點或者是適合的這些托育人力那看起來互助教保中心他如果能夠承接0到20歲的臨時托育其實是好的所以想要請教部長\n我的版本有有一些民間團體版本提供的他們也都支持請問部長您支不支持如果以部落來講互助教保中心能不能承接0到2歲的臨時托育現在其實有在做\n那個其實我們也知道在那個委員的支持之下我們在屏東現在已經有一個中心嘛現在就是說美元對那我們現在目前就是說我們是不是還是以現在目前的這個示範計畫為基礎我們趕快再來推廣好這樣好不好\n因為這個確實會對於我們整個園鄉我想這個是我們整個文化的敏感度我想這個確實應該要用這個方式好 謝謝那既然如此我們未來有兒童托育法我們的法制要完備目前園民會有一個足語保母那這個足語保母呢其實是為了讓我們的這些嬰幼兒從小能夠接觸足語的環境那它有分喔一個是\n親屬的保姆他只要具備足語能力因為是自己的親屬另外一個一般保姆呢他還是需要有托育人員的專業訓練的這些證照那重點來了原住民如果要辦理這種托育他的問題不是只有空間找不到\n更重要的是他的人才培育人才也找不到那我們去看一下社家屬提供的這個資訊專機托育人員專業訓練課程如果我找台東0花蓮0屏東還有4班都是自費班那大仁科大有一班是平日的補助班大概就是這樣非常的缺乏啦\n所以我們目前已經有很多的主語保母他很樂意投入但是他不見得可以來做這個參與這個托育因為他還沒有取得專業的證照可是他要去上課發現了也不容易找到可以上課訓練的地方所以我在這邊就是簡單跟部長衛福部訴求第一個就是希望支持\n兒童托育諮詢會議如果有涉及到原住民族議題的時候希望一定要有原住民的代表能夠把它寫進法條裡面那第二個就是目前看起來互助教保中心是最適合承接0到2歲托育的那這個臨時托育的部分希望可以把它納入法條文字那第三個就是拜託可不可以多多的開設原住民托育人員專業訓練課程來因應未來法治化好不好 部長\n好 我們要慢慢來努力好 謝謝謝謝副長好 謝謝好 謝謝主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.249 --> 00:00.990\n主席好有請部長來請部長\n\n00:19.096 --> 00:39.222\n委員好部長好我們很高興就是院版也出來了很多的立委也一同的來關心響應關於兒童托育法從過去的辦法現在我們終於要有一部兒童托育法那其中就是一定會有一個所謂的服務諮詢會\n\n00:41.523 --> 00:54.358\n那我看到院版就是沒有關注到原住民相關的這一些代表那我個人或者是有一些民間團體有注意到這個問題因為\n\n00:56.580 --> 01:19.537\n當我們在講所謂的托育方式的時候其實不同的族群特別是原住民族群它有別於一般的托育方式所以如果部長您有機會去看原鄉有一個原住民地區的互助教保中心部落互助教保中心非常的特別\n\n01:20.157 --> 01:32.346\n跟一般的幼兒園其實辦理的方式非常的不一樣那也希望部長有機會我可以帶您去看一看所以這個部分我就是想要請教一下院長您的意見\n\n01:33.587 --> 01:52.979\n如果說我們有這個托育服務諮詢會那諮詢會當中會有涉及到原住民相關的議題是不是應該邀請具備原住民兒童權益倡議的經驗或者從事原住民兒童托育服務團體的代表是不是應該要有\n\n01:54.589 --> 02:21.163\n應該要考慮那希望到時候院門可以支持好不好那另外請教一下因為我們現在很關心的就是0到2歲的托育服務整部法裡面就是我們很高興特別是這一塊是很多很多的家長非常非常期待的特別是原住民族地區那麼他因為場地很不容易找到\n\n02:21.923 --> 02:37.889\n所以如果這部法通過之後也很頭痛到底要在哪個地方找到這樣的場地那我知道魏福珀你們有一個原住民兒童0到2歲托育服務事辦計畫實施期程1135月1號到115年12月31請教一下目前有幾間事辦\n\n02:46.341 --> 02:47.502\n圓住民地區有21所確定\n\n03:05.281 --> 03:19.630\n我再確認一下好不好我要確認一下數字我拿到的數據是一所一個原住民那個咧對一個原住民兒童0到20歲托育服務事辦計畫那沒有關係我要講的是說為什麼\n\n03:20.831 --> 03:48.530\n就是這個事辦計畫出來照理說是我們關心了很久大家引頸期盼但是推動的成效就是參與的監訴好像並不是那麼樂觀那到底原因在哪裡我覺得這個部分要去討論一下包括經費是不是已經有下放麻煩部長也關心瞭解一下我們馬上去瞭解那我接續就是要問那請問一下部長\n\n03:51.071 --> 03:58.017\n你覺得如果部落家長他有臨時托育的需求你覺得可以送到哪裡去送到哪裡去\n\n04:06.577 --> 04:30.218\n部長好我就直接講沒有啦沒有地方可以送現在就是看看隔壁鄰居有沒有人在家啦那部落協力站好像在屏東友誼所嘛對不對是啊沒關係那個後面再來跟我報告好不好我現在要講的就是說部落如果有臨時托育的需求其實大概就是只能看看隔壁有沒有人在家啦\n\n04:30.979 --> 04:45.234\n可是我們看一下都會地區我光舉台北新北你看羅列洋洋灑灑什麼都有什麼居家托育服務中心育兒友善\n\n04:46.875 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：部長好。我們很高興院版也出來了，很多立委也一同來關心響應兒童托育法。從過去的辦法，現在我們終於要有一部兒童托育法，其中就是一定會有一個所謂的服務諮詢會。我看到院版沒有關注到原住民相關的這些代表，那我個人或是一些民間團體有注意到這個問題，因為當我們在講托育方式的時候，其實不同的族群，特別是原住民族群，有別於一般的托育方式。如果部長您有機會去看，原鄉有一個原住民地區的互助教保中心，部落互助教保中心，非常的特別，跟一般的幼兒園其實辦理的方式非常的不一樣。部長，也希望有機會我可以帶您去看一看。"],["邱部長泰源：是。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：所以這個部分我想要請教一下您的意見，如果我們有托育服務諮詢會，那諮詢會當中會涉及原住民相關的議題，是不是應該邀請具備原住民兒童權益、倡議的經驗，或者從事原住民兒童托育服務團體的代表，是不是應該要有？"],["邱部長泰源：應該要考慮。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，希望到時候院版可以支持好不好？"],["邱部長泰源：好。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：另外請教一下，因為我們現在很關心的就是0到2歲的托育服務，整部法裡面，我們很高興特別是這一塊，是很多家長非常期待的，特別是原住民族地區，因為場地很不容易找到，所以如果這部法通過之後也很頭痛，到底要在哪個地方找到這樣的場地？我知道衛福部有一個原住民兒童0到2歲托育服務試辦計畫，實施期程從113年5月1日到115年12月31日，請教一下目前有幾間試辦？"],["呂次長建德：報告委員，詳細的數字我是不是會後再提供？如果我沒有記錯的話，我記得目前好像是21所。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：有21所？"],["呂次長建德：對，如果我印象沒有記錯的話。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：原住民地區有21所，確定？"],["呂次長建德：我再確認一下數字好不好？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我拿到的數據是1所。"],["呂次長建德：啊？原住民的？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：對，原住民兒童0到2歲托育服務試辦計畫，1所。那沒有關係，我要講的是，為什麼這個試辦計畫出來，照理說是我們關心了很久，大家引頸企盼，但是推動的成效，就是參與的間數好像並不是那麼樂觀，到底原因在哪裡？"],["邱部長泰源：我們來瞭解。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我覺得這個部分要去討論一下，包括經費是不是已經有下放，麻煩部長也關心瞭解一下。"],["邱部長泰源：好，我們馬上去瞭解。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我接續就是要問一下部長，你覺得如果部落家長有臨時托育的需求，可以送到哪裡去？"],["邱部長泰源：原住民這邊……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我就直接講，沒有啦！沒有地方可以送，現在就是看看隔壁鄰居有沒有人在家啦！"],["呂次長建德：那個部落協力站好像在屏東有1所。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是啊！沒關係後面再來跟我報告好不好？我現在要講的是，部落如果有臨時托育的需求，其實大概就是只能看看隔壁有沒有人在家。可是我們看一下都會地區，我光舉臺北、新北，你看羅列洋洋灑灑的什麼都有，什麼居家托育服務中心、育兒友善園，甚至也有提供公立服務的親子館，有很多。如果我們來看一些縣市，以屏東、臺東、花蓮來看一下偏鄉，根據社家署提供委辦的通訊錄，屏東、臺東，花蓮就各只有一個據點，在大仁科技大學、國立臺東大學、臺東縣好事日常教育基金會，所以是真的很不足。","現在我們看一下社家署的托育媒合平台，我們去搜尋也是一樣，花蓮搜尋到1筆資料，屏東搜尋到1筆資料，都是托嬰中心，只有1家在做。所以我剛剛問部長部落如果有臨時托育的需求，到底要送到哪裡？講一句實在話啦！還是我剛剛講的部落互助教保中心。部落互助教保中心目前有在做2到6歲，如果說在這樣的狀況之下，也沒有一個好的可以使用的地點，或者是適合的托育人力，那看起來互助教保中心，如果能夠承接0到2歲的臨時托育，其實是好的。","所以想要請教部長，我的版本有，有一些民間團體版本提供的他們也都支持，請問部長您支不支持，如果以部落來講，互助教保中心能不能承接0到2歲的臨時托育？"],["邱部長泰源：現在其實有在做啦！"],["呂次長建德：我跟委員報告，我們也知道在委員的支持之下，屏東現在已經有一個中心……"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：是，美園。"],["呂次長建德：對，那我們現在就是說，是不是還是以目前的示範計畫為基礎，我們趕快來再來推廣，這樣好不好？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。"],["呂次長建德：因為這個確實會對於整個原鄉，我想這個是我們的整個文化敏感度，確實應該要用這個方式，好不好？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：沒錯，謝謝。既然如此，我們未來有兒童托育法，我們的法制要完備，目前原民會有一個族語保母，這個族語保母其實是為了讓我們這些嬰幼兒從小能夠接觸族語的環境。這有區分，一個是親屬的保母，他只要具備族語能力，因為是自己的親屬，另外一個一般保母，還是需要有托育人員專業訓練的證照。那重點來了，原住民如果要辦理這種托育，問題不是只有空間找不到，更重要的是他的人才培育，人才也找不到。","我們看一下社家署提供的資訊專區，托育人員專業訓練課程，如果我找臺東，是零；花蓮，是零；屏東還有4班，都是自費班，大仁科大有1班是平日的補助班，大概就是這樣，非常的缺乏啦！所以我們目前已經有很多的族語保母，他很樂意投入，但是他不見得可以參與這個托育，因為他還沒有取得專業的證照，可是他要去上課，發現了也不容易找到可以上課、訓練的地方。","所以我在這邊就是簡單跟部長和衛福部訴求，第一、希望支持兒童托育諮詢會議，如果有涉及原住民族議題的時候，希望一定要有原住民的代表，能夠把他寫進法條裡面。第二、目前看起來，互助教保中心是最適合承接0到2歲托育的，這個臨時托育的部分，希望可以把他納入法條文字。第三、可不可以多多的開設原住民托育人員專業訓練課程，來因應未來法制化，好不好部長？"],["邱部長泰源：好，我們慢慢來努力。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝部長。"],["邱部長泰源：謝謝。"],["呂次長建德：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝部長。","請李坤城委員，李坤城委員、李坤城委員不在。","請林楚茵委員，林楚茵委員、林楚茵委員不在。","請郭昱晴委員來作詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":548,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-26-14","speakers":["劉建國","林淑芬","王育敏","何欣純","王正旭","林月琴","黃捷","陳菁徽","蘇清泉","邱鎮軍","黃秀芳","陳培瑜","李彥秀","楊瓊瓔","張雅琳","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","郭昱晴","陳瑩","楊曜","陳昭姿","張嘉郡","林德福","廖偉翔","涂權吉","李坤城"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-05-28"],"gazette_id":"1145502","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145502_00002","1145502_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、處理114年度中央政府總預算決議有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案 64案（含報告事項51\n案及討論事項13案）；二、審查(一)行政院函請審議「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(二)委員林月\n琴等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(三)委員何欣純等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」\n案、(四)委員王育敏等24人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(五)委員邱若華等16人擬具「兒童\n托育服務法草案」案、(六)委員黃捷等21人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(七)委員蔡易餘等\n17人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(八)委員李坤城等22人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、\n(九)委員陳培瑜等19人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(十)委員郭昱晴等21人擬具「兒童托育\n服務法草案」案、(十一)委員陳素月等16人擬具「兒童托育服務法草案」案、(十二)委員鄭天財\nSra Kacaw 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