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00:01:24,291\n雖然這個托嬰中心的被評鑒是假等但是呢他過往也有長期對孩子施暴而且隱瞞他不當的一個記錄那這時候其實家長就會開始擔心了就是如果這家的托嬰中心他以前到底有沒有出過事情或者是他曾經出過事情可是我居然是在\n\n5\n00:01:25,091 --> 00:01:45,943\n公開的一些資訊平台當中我查不到他過往的這樣子的一個狀況我怎麼能夠安心把小孩交到這裡呢那如果是發生了一段時間查不到或者是剛發生的事情其實家長也不知情那這個部分這個中間的資訊的漏接或資訊的一個gap我們怎麼樣去補足那第二個部分\n\n6\n00:01:46,983 --> 00:02:02,541\n就是關於這個托孕中心如果說他的負責人只要換一個名字他可能就可以再重新的開業那我們怎麼知道我們的孩子送過去的這個托孕中心有沒有曾經有過這樣子的一個歷史記錄這個部分我們怎麼樣來補足\n\n7\n00:02:04,602 --> 00:02:17,708\n好謝謝委員的關心那這個你提出來這個真的是很重要的事情那我們在這個立法的過程當中當然怎麼樣精準的來去來也不要\n\n8\n00:02:19,341 --> 00:02:32,726\n誤殺無辜啦但是也不要藉口喪事這個怎麼樣去精準的一個處理是我們在追求法條裡面的一個很重要的目標那現在有這樣子的一個平台可以提供給家長來做一個查詢嗎\n\n9\n00:02:35,868 --> 00:03:01,309\n跟委員報告目前我們有要求縣市政府所有有依照兒少法去開出行政裁罰的案件都一律要通報到我們現在在社家署有一個CRC的資訊網會通報所有進來的案件裡面如果依照兒少法的規定他罰完是要公告被處分人的部分我們也都有統一的公告\n\n10\n00:03:02,029 --> 00:03:27,345\n統一的公告大概是什麼時候家長可能他們對這方面的資訊的宣導可能不足所以以往這個各縣市自己的裁罰他會在縣市政府自行來做公告所以家長有時候查都不見得也許查的地方不見得方便所以我們在去年的五月開始我們要地方政府所有的裁罰案件統一通報到我們的資訊網站\n\n11\n00:03:29,346 --> 00:03:51,732\n那依照這個法律的規定因為公佈姓名同樣也是一種裁罰的方式所以只要條文裡面有要公告姓名的部分我們也都統一公告在網站裡面那讓民眾可以來做一個全國性的一次性的解鎖我們現在所有的案件都有上去那在去年5月以前\n\n12\n00:03:52,552 --> 00:04:10,854\n各縣市曾經裁罰的案件我們也在要求各縣市政府把舊的案件一步一步的都把資料轉移到中央這邊來那我們希望能夠讓民眾能夠有一個一站式的檢索好那這個是這一部分那另外我想提到的就是很多在\n\n13\n00:04:11,655 --> 00:04:27,037\n所謂的監視器拍不到的地方或者是真的當孩子受害了之後家長想要去調所謂的監視器的記錄的時候通常都已經會來不及要不就是影片被格次化要不就是監視器其實放在死角\n\n14\n00:04:27,438 --> 00:04:50,314\n好像掛好看的所以為什麼我的這個版本是希望能夠從這個露營的保存的天數從30天拉到60天因為我們發現有很多的孩子如果他開始慢慢的會學習表達我們收到很多的家長的陳情他們是想擠牙膏式的一天說一點一天說一點等到家長真的發現問題的時候其實時間往往超過那30天了\n\n15\n00:04:53,877 --> 00:05:20,249\n就變成家長他想要去找真相的時候其實這個部分我們是沒有替他們找到這樣子的一個可以被保留然後可以被閱覽或者是可以去調查這些記錄的一個狀況那我想呢這個事件其實也是發生在這個台南一個虐嬰的一個案件那通常我們發現這些施虐的案件就像我剛剛講的要不就是監視器是拍到角落看不到的地方\n\n16\n00:05:20,649 --> 00:05:39,021\n那要不就是真的出了事之後我們知道畫面可能被格式化不見了或者是保留的天數已經正式消失了那這個部分我們怎麼樣來做防堵那是不是可以也支持我的版本就是我們從保留30天可以拉到60天這個部分能不能夠我想我們可以來討論到時候可以來討論\n\n17\n00:05:42,423 --> 00:06:03,827\n好那另外就是監視器如果壞掉的時候因為壞掉之後我們是不是希望他在24小時之內就要通報而不要拉長到48小時在24小時之內可能真的就要通報趕快先修好因為其實任何一分鐘都有可能是孩子正在冒冒著風險的對待這樣子的一個狀況這個理事有沒有什麼\n\n18\n00:06:10,443 --> 00:06:12,485\n這相關的部分我們會來仔細研議\n\n19\n00:06:22,490 --> 00:06:41,394\n這必須要綜合性各個角度來看看他的怎麼樣我們還是一切以照顧小孩為重要怎麼樣讓他們雙贏我們當然會希望這個托育的制度跟托育的政策這樣來討論托育的制度跟政策可以更加的進步因為讓孩子真的在平安\n\n20\n00:06:42,035 --> 00:06:46,191\n安全的一個環境這樣長大其實是所有家長的一個心願好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5680\t7963\t好 謝謝主席 有請部長委員好\n13456\t16999\t我想提出修法最主要的目的還是要讓家長們安心許多孩子就是被送到托嬰中心或者是保母家其實爸爸媽媽心裡難免都會忐忑不安就我的孩子到底安不安全被照顧得好不好然後如果真的不小心發生了什麼樣的一個問題這個真相能不能夠被釐清那我們就來看兩個案件\n36997\t62840\t那高雄男子呢一個托育中心他在2025年的也就是今年的這個4月出現了爆出了這個8名的嬰幼童他遭到不當的對待那事後呢其實家長也才知道該機構就曾經被通報過但是呢相關的記錄其實沒有被揭露啊所以呢就變成說類似的狀況呢也同樣的出現在北投在去年的1月當中\n63560\t84291\t雖然這個托嬰中心的被評鑒是假等但是呢他過往也有長期對孩子施暴而且隱瞞他不當的一個記錄那這時候其實家長就會開始擔心了就是如果這家的托嬰中心他以前到底有沒有出過事情或者是他曾經出過事情可是我居然是在\n85091\t105943\t公開的一些資訊平台當中我查不到他過往的這樣子的一個狀況我怎麼能夠安心把小孩交到這裡呢那如果是發生了一段時間查不到或者是剛發生的事情其實家長也不知情那這個部分這個中間的資訊的漏接或資訊的一個gap我們怎麼樣去補足那第二個部分\n106983\t122541\t就是關於這個托孕中心如果說他的負責人只要換一個名字他可能就可以再重新的開業那我們怎麼知道我們的孩子送過去的這個托孕中心有沒有曾經有過這樣子的一個歷史記錄這個部分我們怎麼樣來補足\n124602\t137708\t好 謝謝委員的關心那這個你提出來這個真的是很重要的事情那我們在這個立法的過程當中當然怎麼樣精準的來去來也不要\n139341\t152726\t誤殺無辜啦 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但是也不要藉口喪事這個怎麼樣去精準的一個處理是我們在追求法條裡面的一個很重要的目標那現在有這樣子的一個平台可以提供給家長來做一個查詢嗎\n跟委員報告目前我們有要求縣市政府所有有依照兒少法去開出行政裁罰的案件都一律要通報到我們現在在社家署有一個CRC的資訊網會通報所有進來的案件裡面如果依照兒少法的規定他罰完是要公告被處分人的部分我們也都有統一的公告\n統一的公告大概是什麼時候家長可能他們對這方面的資訊的宣導可能不足所以以往這個各縣市自己的裁罰他會在縣市政府自行來做公告所以家長有時候查都不見得也許查的地方不見得方便所以我們在去年的五月開始我們要地方政府所有的裁罰案件統一通報到我們的資訊網站\n那依照這個法律的規定因為公佈姓名同樣也是一種裁罰的方式所以只要條文裡面有要公告姓名的部分我們也都統一公告在網站裡面那讓民眾可以來做一個全國性的一次性的解鎖我們現在所有的案件都有上去那在去年5月以前\n各縣市曾經裁罰的案件我們也在要求各縣市政府把舊的案件一步一步的都把資料轉移到中央這邊來那我們希望能夠讓民眾能夠有一個一站式的檢索好那這個是這一部分那另外我想提到的就是很多在\n所謂的監視器拍不到的地方或者是真的當孩子受害了之後家長想要去調所謂的監視器的記錄的時候通常都已經會來不及要不就是影片被格次化要不就是監視器其實放在死角\n好像掛好看的所以為什麼我的這個版本是希望能夠從這個露營的保存的天數從30天拉到60天因為我們發現有很多的孩子如果他開始慢慢的會學習表達我們收到很多的家長的陳情他們是想擠牙膏式的一天說一點一天說一點等到家長真的發現問題的時候其實時間往往超過那30天了\n就變成家長他想要去找真相的時候其實這個部分我們是沒有替他們找到這樣子的一個可以被保留然後可以被閱覽或者是可以去調查這些記錄的一個狀況那我想呢這個事件其實也是發生在這個台南一個虐嬰的一個案件那通常我們發現這些施虐的案件就像我剛剛講的要不就是監視器是拍到角落看不到的地方\n那要不就是真的出了事之後我們知道畫面可能被格式化不見了或者是保留的天數已經正式消失了那這個部分我們怎麼樣來做防堵那是不是可以也支持我的版本就是我們從保留30天可以拉到60天這個部分能不能夠我想我們可以來討論到時候可以來討論\n好那另外就是監視器如果壞掉的時候因為壞掉之後我們是不是希望他在24小時之內就要通報而不要拉長到48小時在24小時之內可能真的就要通報趕快先修好因為其實任何一分鐘都有可能是孩子正在冒冒著風險的對待這樣子的一個狀況這個理事有沒有什麼\n這相關的部分我們會來仔細研議\n這必須要綜合性各個角度來看看他的怎麼樣我們還是一切以照顧小孩為重要怎麼樣讓他們雙贏我們當然會希望這個托育的制度跟托育的政策這樣來討論托育的制度跟政策可以更加的進步因為讓孩子真的在平安\n安全的一個環境這樣長大 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