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00:02:32,269\n那我知道我們國科會其實做了很多的這個努力跟計畫的準備已經送進行政院了嘛接下來就是等院來審核通過我要問主委你對我們太空三型計畫的預算加碼超過400億你有沒有信心啊\n\n9\n00:02:50,447 --> 00:02:58,513\n我有信心但是需要我們大院來支持超過400億我們有信心啊是好我們非常的期待因為我想沉入你們今天的報告我們看到了在產值的部分讓我非常的非常的覺得很值得我們肯定說太空產業呢台灣去年的產值就達到了2773億\n\n10\n00:03:16,306 --> 00:03:26,448\n是整體產業喔然後呢其中我們在地面製造的部分台灣的廠商的地面製造的產值是達到了也是超過2000億2464億最重要的是它的成長率我剛剛前面講到成長率都是超過10%那你們的報告裡面告訴我們說這一個成長的幅度是大於全球市場的成長幅度所以\n\n11\n00:03:44,611 --> 00:03:46,033\n你們國科會預估我們台灣的太空產業在今年跟明年的產值都會持續提升主委能不能告訴我們你們是怎麼樣來依據什麼來預估的那台灣的成長幅度為什麼比其他國家來得高呢\n\n12\n00:04:00,433 --> 00:04:13,964\n目前太空中心的策略我們現在改了就是不是只有政府要發射衛星我們要跟國際合作國際合作就是造成一個我們台灣的供應鏈一個很大的商機那不是只有衛星本體跟它的這個籌債還有地面站\n\n13\n00:04:16,726 --> 00:04:38,302\n使用者終端的設備這個量非常的大所以台灣的產商很有興趣我們已經組成幾乎就是國家隊了其實我們去年整年的產值的提升國產的這些供應鏈的產值提升已經成長了超過100%那我估計今年還會再持續成長而且會有蠻亮眼的成績\n\n14\n00:04:39,161 --> 00:04:44,544\n好所以我們已經有政府跟民間一起協力的太空國家隊好非常期待那我想等太空三期計畫出來之後我們再來進行審視跟討論接下來也是很重要的是我們的算力部件\n\n15\n00:04:54,269 --> 00:04:59,670\n之前也跟主委質詢過我們在台灣在AI時代的基礎計劃目前國科會我們自由的有精創計劃跟大南方計劃那也有民間的算力資源在你們解凍報告當中有提到政威集團然後想要AI算力中心揮達的台北萬主機等等就在前幾天5月19號黃仁勳在Computex的演說中他提到\n\n16\n00:05:21,817 --> 00:05:37,963\n輝達將與國科會台積電以及鴻海四方合作共同打造台灣的AI基礎設施國科會也有公開回應說這個是雙方正在規劃當中事實的會來對外說明所以我請教主委已經見面討論過了已經初步討論過那細節我們後續會有初步討論過那這個事實公佈啊有沒有機會是在下半年\n\n17\n00:05:50,374 --> 00:06:04,885\n今年第一期大概鴻海就會開始建置第一期那預計第一期劉洋偉董事長也公開的講大概就是200MW這樣的目標\n\n18\n00:06:09,048 --> 00:06:26,045\n那後續還有兩期包含第二期跟第三期大概都會到40MW那這一部分不是只有鴻海跟輝達他們的合作還包含台積電跟國科會\n\n19\n00:06:27,166 --> 00:06:45,334\n國會在科研部分科技產業推動我們在各行各業要發展AI應用的產業我們也都會除了我們自己建的算力之外還會使用到民間投資的算力讓台灣的力量更為強大\n\n20\n00:06:46,855 --> 00:07:04,242\n是跟民間的合作很重要那我們國科會的自由算力也很重要所以我最後還是想要請教主委因為之前有問過你們嘛我們的金創方案還有大南方方案金創是在台中中埔對不對那大南方會是在台南沙崙我們目前的規劃是怎麼樣呢\n\n21\n00:07:07,083 --> 00:07:23,564\n我們的算力早期都是偏中在北部最主要的基地就是新竹科學園區我們國防中心的總部後來後續我們在台灣三建制的時候就在台中建制這個資料中心高速電腦\n\n22\n00:07:24,565 --> 00:07:40,794\n那賴總統在均衡台灣的這個理念之下我們也希望在南部有足夠的這個這個算力的建置那當然所有的這個資料中心算力的建置都是服務全國的絕對不是一定是服務當地而已啦那可是培養人才\n\n23\n00:07:41,634 --> 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非常期待那我想等太空三期計畫出來之後我們再來進行審視跟討論接下來也是很重要的是我們的算力部件\n294269\t299670\t之前也跟主委質詢過我們在台灣在AI時代的基礎計劃目前國科會我們自由的有精創計劃跟大南方計劃那也有民間的算力資源在你們解凍報告當中有提到政威集團然後想要AI算力中心揮達的台北萬主機等等就在前幾天5月19號黃仁勳在Computex的演說中他提到\n321817\t337963\t輝達將與國科會台積電以及鴻海四方合作共同打造台灣的AI基礎設施國科會也有公開回應說這個是雙方正在規劃當中事實的會來對外說明所以我請教主委已經見面討論過了已經初步討論過那細節我們後續會有初步討論過那這個事實公佈啊有沒有機會是在下半年\n350374\t364885\t今年第一期大概鴻海就會開始建置第一期那預計第一期劉洋偉董事長也公開的講大概就是200MW這樣的目標\n369048\t386045\t那後續還有兩期包含第二期跟第三期大概都會到40MW那這一部分不是只有鴻海跟輝達他們的合作還包含台積電跟國科會\n387166\t405334\t國會在科研部分科技產業推動我們在各行各業要發展AI應用的產業我們也都會除了我們自己建的算力之外還會使用到民間投資的算力讓台灣的力量更為強大\n406855\t424242\t是跟民間的合作很重要那我們國科會的自由算力也很重要所以我最後還是想要請教主委因為之前有問過你們嘛我們的金創方案還有大南方方案金創是在台中中埔對不對那大南方會是在台南沙崙我們目前的規劃是怎麼樣呢\n427083\t443564\t我們的算力早期都是偏中在北部最主要的基地就是新竹科學園區我們國防中心的總部後來後續我們在台灣三建制的時候就在台中建制這個資料中心高速電腦\n444565\t460794\t那賴總統在均衡台灣的這個理念之下我們也希望在南部有足夠的這個這個算力的建置那當然所有的這個資料中心算力的建置都是服務全國的絕對不是一定是服務當地而已啦那可是培養人才\n461634\t485465\t因為算力中心建置以後要有很多的人才進來,要做營運、要做服務所以要均衡南北,我們現在就是把最近這一期的算力就放在南部除了台南之外,剛剛講高雄非常大的算力是民間投資,國科會也會跟他們合作那這個全部都是服務全國的\n486329\t504413\t我想算力的基礎建設可以說新一代國家的十大建設之一了也非常的重要影響到了產業人力人才培育相關的發展等等所以希望我們國科會跟民間合作我們自己的自由算力也要持續的來提升是好謝謝主委謝謝主委謝謝吳佩奕委員質詢官員請問\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我請國科會吳主委有請吳主委備質詢 謝謝\n主委好你知道我一直非常關心我們太空中心還有太空三期計畫的預算所以剛剛前面有提到說解凍去年的凍結預算跟刪除預算對我們國科會整體的計畫造成的影響其中有一點我想要特別提醒你們因為我看到太空中心在去年被凍結了一筆五百萬\n上面凍結的理由是說你們在113年太空中心的預算原額是486人但是去年還有50個名額是缺額的就是這個缺額未滿沒有把它補滿所以你們因此被凍結了500萬我想請問一下去年的這個50個名額我們在什麼時候把它補滿了\n我們已經補滿了 2月 今年已經很快的把它補滿在去年底 是不是 你們今天的報告寫說113年12月去年 就去年的原額就已經補滿了是不是這個樣子今年2月補滿了今年2月補滿的 這是去年的原額然後今年還要再新增我們還要新增 因為我們一直在擴充我們的業務所以還在新增單位\n所以這一點我希望你們要特別的注意因為大家都很支持你們的預算不要因為這樣子被凍結了反而造成使用上面之行會有一些影響那麼大家國人最關心的就是我們太空三期了\n這個主委應該也記得我從去年進到立法院以來在委員會跟國科會關心我在總質詢的時候也跟院長關心那我知道最近我們賴清德總統也造訪了太空中心因為我們的福衛八號有一個即將就要來進行啟運跟發射所以這個大家都很期待啦這個福衛八號的發射是我們太空計畫的下一個里程碑那太空三期喔\n要這個原先在2019年的時候我們訂的預算是251億到2023年的時候當時小英總統造訪就喊出說我們太空三級要加碼當時喊出要加碼達到400億\n那我知道我們國科會其實做了很多的這個努力跟計畫的準備已經送進行政院了嘛接下來就是等院來審核通過我要問主委你對我們太空三型計畫的預算加碼超過400億你有沒有信心啊\n我有信心但是需要我們大院來支持超過400億我們有信心啊是好我們非常的期待因為我想沉入你們今天的報告我們看到了在產值的部分讓我非常的非常的覺得很值得我們肯定說太空產業呢台灣去年的產值就達到了2773億\n是整體產業喔然後呢其中我們在地面製造的部分台灣的廠商的地面製造的產值是達到了也是超過2000億2464億最重要的是它的成長率我剛剛前面講到成長率都是超過10%那你們的報告裡面告訴我們說這一個成長的幅度是大於全球市場的成長幅度所以\n你們國科會預估我們台灣的太空產業在今年跟明年的產值都會持續提升主委能不能告訴我們你們是怎麼樣來依據什麼來預估的那台灣的成長幅度為什麼比其他國家來得高呢\n目前太空中心的策略我們現在改了就是不是只有政府要發射衛星我們要跟國際合作國際合作就是造成一個我們台灣的供應鏈一個很大的商機那不是只有衛星本體跟它的這個籌債還有地面站\n使用者終端的設備這個量非常的大所以台灣的產商很有興趣我們已經組成幾乎就是國家隊了其實我們去年整年的產值的提升國產的這些供應鏈的產值提升已經成長了超過100%那我估計今年還會再持續成長而且會有蠻亮眼的成績\n好 所以我們已經有政府跟民間一起協力的太空國家隊好 非常期待那我想等太空三期計畫出來之後我們再來進行審視跟討論接下來也是很重要的是我們的算力部件\n之前也跟主委質詢過我們在台灣在AI時代的基礎計劃目前國科會我們自由的有精創計劃跟大南方計劃那也有民間的算力資源在你們解凍報告當中有提到政威集團然後想要AI算力中心揮達的台北萬主機等等就在前幾天5月19號黃仁勳在Computex的演說中他提到\n輝達將與國科會台積電以及鴻海四方合作共同打造台灣的AI基礎設施國科會也有公開回應說這個是雙方正在規劃當中事實的會來對外說明所以我請教主委已經見面討論過了已經初步討論過那細節我們後續會有初步討論過那這個事實公佈啊有沒有機會是在下半年\n今年第一期大概鴻海就會開始建置第一期那預計第一期劉洋偉董事長也公開的講大概就是200MW這樣的目標\n那後續還有兩期包含第二期跟第三期大概都會到40MW那這一部分不是只有鴻海跟輝達他們的合作還包含台積電跟國科會\n國會在科研部分科技產業推動我們在各行各業要發展AI應用的產業我們也都會除了我們自己建的算力之外還會使用到民間投資的算力讓台灣的力量更為強大\n是跟民間的合作很重要那我們國科會的自由算力也很重要所以我最後還是想要請教主委因為之前有問過你們嘛我們的金創方案還有大南方方案金創是在台中中埔對不對那大南方會是在台南沙崙我們目前的規劃是怎麼樣呢\n我們的算力早期都是偏中在北部最主要的基地就是新竹科學園區我們國防中心的總部後來後續我們在台灣三建制的時候就在台中建制這個資料中心高速電腦\n那賴總統在均衡台灣的這個理念之下我們也希望在南部有足夠的這個這個算力的建置那當然所有的這個資料中心算力的建置都是服務全國的絕對不是一定是服務當地而已啦那可是培養人才\n因為算力中心建置以後要有很多的人才進來,要做營運、要做服務所以要均衡南北,我們現在就是把最近這一期的算力就放在南部除了台南之外,剛剛講高雄非常大的算力是民間投資,國科會也會跟他們合作那這個全部都是服務全國的\n我想算力的基礎建設可以說新一代國家的十大建設之一了也非常的重要影響到了產業人力人才培育相關的發展等等所以希望我們國科會跟民間合作我們自己的自由算力也要持續的來提升是好謝謝主委謝謝主委謝謝吳佩奕委員質詢官員請問\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.581 --> 00:08.363\n謝謝主席我請國科會吳主委有請吳主委備質詢謝謝\n\n00:14.362 --> 00:37.642\n主委好你知道我一直非常關心我們太空中心還有太空三期計畫的預算所以剛剛前面有提到說解凍去年的凍結預算跟刪除預算對我們國科會整體的計畫造成的影響其中有一點我想要特別提醒你們因為我看到太空中心在去年被凍結了一筆五百萬\n\n00:38.923 --> 00:41.964\n上面凍結的理由是說你們在113年太空中心的預算原額是486人但是去年還有50個名額是缺額的就是這個缺額未滿沒有把它補滿所以你們因此被凍結了500萬我想請問一下去年的這個50個名額我們在什麼時候把它補滿了\n\n01:04.452 --> 01:29.104\n我們已經補滿了2月今年已經很快的把它補滿在去年底是不是你們今天的報告寫說113年12月去年就去年的原額就已經補滿了是不是這個樣子今年2月補滿了今年2月補滿的這是去年的原額然後今年還要再新增我們還要新增因為我們一直在擴充我們的業務所以還在新增單位\n\n01:29.944 --> 01:46.135\n所以這一點我希望你們要特別的注意因為大家都很支持你們的預算不要因為這樣子被凍結了反而造成使用上面之行會有一些影響那麼大家國人最關心的就是我們太空三期了\n\n01:46.895 --> 01:49.997\n這個主委應該也記得我從去年進到立法院以來在委員會跟國科會關心我在總質詢的時候也跟院長關心那我知道最近我們賴清德總統也造訪了太空中心因為我們的福衛八號有一個即將就要來進行啟運跟發射所以這個大家都很期待啦這個福衛八號的發射是我們太空計畫的下一個里程碑那太空三期喔\n\n02:15.214 --> 02:19.598\n要這個原先在2019年的時候我們訂的預算是251億到2023年的時候當時小英總統造訪就喊出說我們太空三級要加碼當時喊出要加碼達到400億\n\n02:30.387 --> 02:32.269\n那我知道我們國科會其實做了很多的這個努力跟計畫的準備已經送進行政院了嘛接下來就是等院來審核通過我要問主委你對我們太空三型計畫的預算加碼超過400億你有沒有信心啊\n\n02:50.447 --> 02:58.513\n我有信心但是需要我們大院來支持超過400億我們有信心啊是好我們非常的期待因為我想沉入你們今天的報告我們看到了在產值的部分讓我非常的非常的覺得很值得我們肯定說太空產業呢台灣去年的產值就達到了2773億\n\n03:16.306 --> 03:26.448\n是整體產業喔然後呢其中我們在地面製造的部分台灣的廠商的地面製造的產值是達到了也是超過2000億2464億最重要的是它的成長率我剛剛前面講到成長率都是超過10%那你們的報告裡面告訴我們說這一個成長的幅度是大於全球市場的成長幅度所以\n\n03:44.611 --> 03:46.033\n你們國科會預估我們台灣的太空產業在今年跟明年的產值都會持續提升主委能不能告訴我們你們是怎麼樣來依據什麼來預估的那台灣的成長幅度為什麼比其他國家來得高呢\n\n04:00.433 --> 04:13.964\n目前太空中心的策略我們現在改了就是不是只有政府要發射衛星我們要跟國際合作國際合作就是造成一個我們台灣的供應鏈一個很大的商機那不是只有衛星本體跟它的這個籌債還有地面站\n\n04:16.726 --> 04:38.302\n使用者終端的設備這個量非常的大所以台灣的產商很有興趣我們已經組成幾乎就是國家隊了其實我們去年整年的產值的提升國產的這些供應鏈的產值提升已經成長了超過100%那我估計今年還會再持續成長而且會有蠻亮眼的成績\n\n04:39.161 --> 04:44.544\n好所以我們已經有政府跟民間一起協力的太空國家隊好非常期待那我想等太空三期計畫出來之後我們再來進行審視跟討論接下來也是很重要的是我們的算力部件\n\n04:54.269 --> 04:59.670\n之前也跟主委質詢過我們在台灣在AI時代的基礎計劃目前國科會我們自由的有精創計劃跟大南方計劃那也有民間的算力資源在你們解凍報告當中有提到政威集團然後想要AI算力中心揮達的台北萬主機等等就在前幾天5月19號黃仁勳在Computex的演說中他提到\n\n05:21.817 --> 05:37.963\n輝達將與國科會台積電以及鴻海四方合作共同打造台灣的AI基礎設施國科會也有公開回應說這個是雙方正在規劃當中事實的會來對外說明所以我請教主委已經見面討論過了已經初步討論過那細節我們後續會有初步討論過那這個事實公佈啊有沒有機會是在下半年\n\n05:50.374 --> 06:04.885\n今年第一期大概鴻海就會開始建置第一期那預計第一期劉洋偉董事長也公開的講大概就是200MW這樣的目標\n\n06:09.048 --> 06:26.045\n那後續還有兩期包含第二期跟第三期大概都會到40MW那這一部分不是只有鴻海跟輝達他們的合作還包含台積電跟國科會\n\n06:27.166 --> 06:45.334\n國會在科研部分科技產業推動我們在各行各業要發展AI應用的產業我們也都會除了我們自己建的算力之外還會使用到民間投資的算力讓台灣的力量更為強大\n\n06:46.855 --> 07:04.242\n是跟民間的合作很重要那我們國科會的自由算力也很重要所以我最後還是想要請教主委因為之前有問過你們嘛我們的金創方案還有大南方方案金創是在台中中埔對不對那大南方會是在台南沙崙我們目前的規劃是怎麼樣呢\n\n07:07.083 --> 07:23.564\n我們的算力早期都是偏中在北部最主要的基地就是新竹科學園區我們國防中心的總部後來後續我們在台灣三建制的時候就在台中建制這個資料中心高速電腦\n\n07:24.565 --> 07:40.794\n那賴總統在均衡台灣的這個理念之下我們也希望在南部有足夠的這個這個算力的建置那當然所有的這個資料中心算力的建置都是服務全國的絕對不是一定是服務當地而已啦那可是培養人才\n\n07:41.634 --> 08:05.465\n因為算力中心建置以後要有很多的人才進來,要做營運、要做服務所以要均衡南北,我們現在就是把最近這一期的算力就放在南部除了台南之外,剛剛講高雄非常大的算力是民間投資,國科會也會跟他們合作那這個全部都是服務全國的\n\n08:06.329 --> 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