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00:00:06,352\n好謝謝趙偉我們有請吳主委請吳主委備質詢謝謝關委員好\n\n2\n00:00:14,841 --> 00:00:43,863\n好主委長那最近我們其實看到台中火力發電廠九組發電機組火力全開那同時呢高雄的大林電廠還有興達電廠也默默加開了三號跟四號兩部燃煤機組那這一陣子其實大家都在關心這個空氣品質那不曉得主委有沒有注意我們覺得台灣最近空氣品質怎麼樣根據我們環境部公布的資料我記得品質並沒有變差\n\n3\n00:00:45,209 --> 00:00:55,628\n品質並沒有變差您個人也是這樣的感覺我自己我的鼻子其實沒有辦法乾什麼我鼻子感覺不出來\n\n4\n00:00:57,520 --> 00:01:21,712\n你的鼻子感覺不出來好這個關於您個人身體狀況的問題我就不予置評了但是呢國科會的空氣品質感測器竟然意外地加劇了空汙那這個呢你鼻子感覺不出來但你一定知道這件事4月14號陽明山國家公園小油坑發生了火燒山的意外\n\n5\n00:01:22,432 --> 00:01:24,595\n這個火勢燃燒將近50公頃起火原因疑似是由國營業國網中心的這個空氣品質感測器的離電池引起的那主委也非常的重視也親自到了現場去了解\n\n6\n00:01:38,915 --> 00:02:01,178\n後續我的了解主委更有對全台各地16支內建離電池的空氣品質感測器把它全拆了所以除了這個之外我們現在還有沒有其他有風險的科研設備在不曉得你到現場去看過以後的情況跟現在後續處理是怎麼樣報告委員\n\n7\n00:02:02,918 --> 00:02:20,953\n那時候媒體報導大概有50公頃其實是因為煙霧瀰漫後來我們陽明山國家公園管理處已經鑑定完畢大概大約在4.5公頃我也親自去看過那邊就是芒草跟建築所以主委這次可能就分兩個我們來看如果說燃燒的是4點多公頃那你煙霧瀰漫50公頃這就是一個污染當時可是那煙霧有些是\n\n8\n00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:49,398\n掺杂那个小油坑本来就好我们回到正题来所以你有没有再去看其他这些有风险的科研设备有我们都已经清查了所有的国科学学校我们国研院所有的这个监测的设备我们并不是说全部都要拆除了而是把有风险的\n\n9\n00:02:50,759 --> 00:03:12,435\n安全的我們還是會繼續做,因為這是不只是科研,我們提供很重要的監測數據主委,我想您自己剛剛也有講,其實我們在國科會轄下會有很多科研相關的設備恐怕也有一些,因為我不知道在什麼地方,恐怕也有一些在公共的場域那都會有一些我們這次看到的疑似的潛在安全風險\n\n10\n00:03:13,576 --> 00:03:39,607\n如果这一次是火烧山那如果我们有些科研设备是在人口稠密的地方那我觉得万一发生了什么样的状况的时候那还要造成人员伤亡那真的非常严重那所以除了刚才您所说的我们先去了解我们现在哪些地方有这些科研设备整个盘点一次那同时我们有没有去建立科研设备的风险管理还有一些监测相关机制有谢谢委员提醒这个我们的确\n\n11\n00:03:40,307 --> 00:03:54,623\n有了這次的教訓,我們的確已經做了比較安全的作業規範那這個作業規範也不是只有我們國研院裡面的各個單位而是跟我們合作的一些廠商,我們也同步會規範\n\n12\n00:03:55,424 --> 00:04:20,902\n嗯很好所以除了風險控管機制之外我想我們這個國科會作為全國科學技術發展的主管機關針對有安全風險的科研設備你要去做這個即時監控跟通報異常的功能我覺得應該是不難而且應該是很快可以做好來了所以呢你這個整個盤點加上剛剛所說的要把這些機制建立起來你需要多久的時間\n\n13\n00:04:22,111 --> 00:04:30,573\n我們已經建立起來了完整了嗎?已經完整了那會後可不可以給我們一個完整的報告讓我們更放心好不好好那接下來我想也是要稱讚一下國科會在上週被輝達執行長黃仁勛點名要一起和台積電與鴻海合作為台灣打造AI基礎建設這可以說是對國科會的一個肯定啦但是我們當然也要提醒說你看\n\n14\n00:04:43,996 --> 00:05:04,235\n如果連這個黃仁勳都這麼肯定將來我們還有這麼多的事情要做所以剛剛所說的風險控管就要更小心一些了所以剛才我們又說到這個輝達執行長我們也知道其實黃仁勳旋風一直都在那不管他逛夜市不管他去哪家餐廳參加視狀運都可以引起這個全國矚目也是媒體追逐的焦點\n\n15\n00:05:05,376 --> 00:05:23,454\n那所以呢他在這個北流的演講當中去宣布說輝達台灣總部要落腳在台北的北投士林科技園區那這件事情在之前主委這邊有沒有相當的掌握跟了解他自己宣布之前他其實並沒有透露\n\n16\n00:05:24,338 --> 00:05:53,226\n手口如瓶好那其實我相信包括本席的選區桃園我們都一定會想要積極來爭取可是我們看到像輝達這樣的一個科技巨頭在選址的時候他應該有很多的考量包括人才供電還有產業聚落等等這也凸顯一個核心的問題就是未來台灣要在全球AI與高科技的浪潮當中保持競爭力科學園區的前瞻規劃還有土地整備絕對是非常重要的這一點主委同意嗎\n\n17\n00:05:54,626 --> 00:06:19,318\n所以国科会也正在规划要增建科学园区的土地面积上个礼拜在5月21号的时候环境部召开了新设科学园区政策评估说明专案小组的会议当时国科会以厂商要跟流台湾来做一个修正的原因也提出了要增加科学园区的用地那这个目标是在2050年新设3000公顷的科学园区用地对吗\n\n18\n00:06:20,225 --> 00:06:38,771\n是我們的確提出這樣但是據本席了解這個面積比原來說要增設1000公頃大幅增加了就是說我們的目標值大幅增加了三倍之多可是我們又看到截至今年5月我們台灣目前在營運中的科學園區面積是4472公頃如果加上開發或者開發中或者規劃中869公頃那合計總共是5341公頃\n\n19\n00:06:47,034 --> 00:06:59,128\n我們現在說要再增加3000公頃等於是增加全台灣現在現有科學面積的56%是這麼大的量所以我想要請教一下主委我們現在我們講出來這3000公頃的開發規劃是如何推估產業需求的\n\n20\n00:07:04,654 --> 00:07:32,080\n報告委員剛剛講三千公頃就是加上目前一千公頃再加兩千那其實我們未來的這個需求台積電依照我們的人力土地水電等資源的推估大概還需要再一千公頃那為什麼要提兩千公頃原因是因為我接任以後我其實是希望我們發展未來的園區是要把產業跟生態跟社區\n\n21\n00:07:33,180 --> 00:07:54,929\n要把它融合在一起弄成一個比較低度開發的這種優質的這個園區我們的確是要保護生態如果我們園區裡面只是產業而已那生態就是在園區外面我們讓它置身置面的話反而對於我們濱林絕種的生物\n\n22\n00:07:55,749 --> 00:08:17,820\n會有更大的這個如果你說的這個部分我想本席十分的認同其實本來也就是要提醒這其實是您剛剛所說的部分是重要的那您既然已經注意到了我覺得在將來的規劃跟落實的執行各方面我覺得要更細緻一點因為你看你現在說的原本的一千加兩千總之要增加三千公頃這個面積其實非常大\n\n23\n00:08:18,460 --> 00:08:40,236\n這系統就像本行的選區桃園區差不多的大小也差不多就是我們竹科將近4.6倍大所以您剛所說的部分我想科研AI的發展尤其是我想我們自己的召委其實葛如君委員其實在這方面也是非常的支持的所以我想面對這麼大面積的土地開發的規劃就像您剛所說的那一些些您剛所提出的每一項都應該要審慎的評估\n\n24\n00:08:46,841 --> 00:08:54,287\n那可是呢比較可惜的是到目前為止我在這個國科會的科學園區政策評估說明書裡面我覺得還沒有看到太多太細的說明跟評估啦我是希望能不能盡快的把它這個就是送出來給我們看因為在上一週專案小組會議之後本席看到媒體有很多的環評委員認為國科會的說明書叫做寫得蠻糟的問題蠻多的那尤其針對\n\n25\n00:09:13,702 --> 00:09:29,353\n廢棄物處理還有用水用電都沒有辦法說明完整那更遑論剛才主委所說的這麼遠大的目標要做一個整體的開發跟保護所以是不是啊這裡因為今天時間也到了能不能請國客會會後用書面來補充說明多久可以送上來兩個月內可以兩個月內不會太久嗎因為現在還有委員在提意見所以我們會依照委員的意見\n\n26\n00:09:41,395 --> 00:09:51,286\n讓委員可以放心的狀況之下我們調整完一定會送給萬委員好那我想叫委員會其實我們所有的委員都要了解好不好好謝謝好謝謝萬美林委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5370\t6352\t好 謝謝趙偉 我們有請吳主委請吳主委備質詢 謝謝關委員好\n14841\t43863\t好 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我們的確提出這樣但是據本席了解這個面積比原來說要增設1000公頃大幅增加了就是說我們的目標值大幅增加了三倍之多可是我們又看到截至今年5月我們台灣目前在營運中的科學園區面積是4472公頃如果加上開發或者開發中或者規劃中869公頃那合計總共是5341公頃\n407034\t419128\t我們現在說要再增加3000公頃等於是增加全台灣現在現有科學面積的56%是這麼大的量所以我想要請教一下主委我們現在我們講出來這3000公頃的開發規劃是如何推估產業需求的\n424654\t452080\t報告委員剛剛講三千公頃就是加上目前一千公頃再加兩千那其實我們未來的這個需求台積電依照我們的人力土地水電等資源的推估大概還需要再一千公頃那為什麼要提兩千公頃原因是因為我接任以後我其實是希望我們發展未來的園區是要把產業跟生態跟社區\n453180\t474929\t要把它融合在一起弄成一個比較低度開發的這種優質的這個園區我們的確是要保護生態如果我們園區裡面只是產業而已那生態就是在園區外面我們讓它置身置面的話反而對於我們濱林絕種的生物\n475749\t497820\t會有更大的這個如果你說的這個部分我想本席十分的認同其實本來也就是要提醒這其實是您剛剛所說的部分是重要的那您既然已經注意到了我覺得在將來的規劃跟落實的執行各方面我覺得要更細緻一點因為你看你現在說的原本的一千加兩千總之要增加三千公頃這個面積其實非常大\n498460\t520236\t這系統就像本行的選區桃園區差不多的大小也差不多就是我們竹科將近4.6倍大所以您剛所說的部分我想科研AI的發展尤其是我想我們自己的召委其實葛如君委員其實在這方面也是非常的支持的所以我想面對這麼大面積的土地開發的規劃就像您剛所說的那一些些您剛所提出的每一項都應該要審慎的評估\n526841\t534287\t那可是呢比較可惜的是到目前為止我在這個國科會的科學園區政策評估說明書裡面我覺得還沒有看到太多太細的說明跟評估啦我是希望能不能盡快的把它這個就是送出來給我們看因為在上一週專案小組會議之後本席看到媒體有很多的環評委員認為國科會的說明書叫做寫得蠻糟的問題蠻多的那尤其針對\n553702\t569353\t廢棄物處理還有用水用電都沒有辦法說明完整那更遑論剛才主委所說的這麼遠大的目標要做一個整體的開發跟保護所以是不是啊這裡因為今天時間也到了能不能請國客會會後用書面來補充說明多久可以送上來兩個月內可以兩個月內不會太久嗎因為現在還有委員在提意見所以我們會依照委員的意見\n581395\t591286\t讓委員可以放心的狀況之下我們調整完一定會送給萬委員好 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陽明山國家公園小油坑發生了火燒山的意外\n這個火勢燃燒將近50公頃起火原因疑似是由國營業國網中心的這個空氣品質感測器的離電池引起的那主委也非常的重視也親自到了現場去了解\n後續我的了解主委更有對全台各地16支內建離電池的空氣品質感測器把它全拆了所以除了這個之外我們現在還有沒有其他有風險的科研設備在不曉得你到現場去看過以後的情況跟現在後續處理是怎麼樣報告委員\n那時候媒體報導大概有50公頃其實是因為煙霧瀰漫後來我們陽明山國家公園管理處已經鑑定完畢大概大約在4.5公頃我也親自去看過那邊就是芒草跟建築所以主委這次可能就分兩個我們來看如果說燃燒的是4點多公頃那你煙霧瀰漫50公頃這就是一個污染當時可是那煙霧有些是\n掺杂那个小油坑本来就好我们回到正题来所以你有没有再去看其他这些有风险的科研设备有我们都已经清查了所有的国科学学校我们国研院所有的这个监测的设备我们并不是说全部都要拆除了而是把有风险的\n安全的我們還是會繼續做,因為這是不只是科研,我們提供很重要的監測數據主委,我想您自己剛剛也有講,其實我們在國科會轄下會有很多科研相關的設備恐怕也有一些,因為我不知道在什麼地方,恐怕也有一些在公共的場域那都會有一些我們這次看到的疑似的潛在安全風險\n如果这一次是火烧山那如果我们有些科研设备是在人口稠密的地方那我觉得万一发生了什么样的状况的时候那还要造成人员伤亡那真的非常严重那所以除了刚才您所说的我们先去了解我们现在哪些地方有这些科研设备整个盘点一次那同时我们有没有去建立科研设备的风险管理还有一些监测相关机制有谢谢委员提醒这个我们的确\n有了這次的教訓,我們的確已經做了比較安全的作業規範那這個作業規範也不是只有我們國研院裡面的各個單位而是跟我們合作的一些廠商,我們也同步會規範\n嗯很好所以除了風險控管機制之外我想我們這個國科會作為全國科學技術發展的主管機關針對有安全風險的科研設備你要去做這個即時監控跟通報異常的功能我覺得應該是不難而且應該是很快可以做好來了所以呢你這個整個盤點加上剛剛所說的要把這些機制建立起來你需要多久的時間\n我們已經建立起來了完整了嗎?已經完整了那會後可不可以給我們一個完整的報告讓我們更放心 好不好好 那接下來我想也是要稱讚一下國科會在上週被輝達執行長黃仁勛點名要一起和台積電與鴻海合作為台灣打造AI基礎建設這可以說是對國科會的一個肯定啦但是我們當然也要提醒說 你看\n如果連這個黃仁勳都這麼肯定將來我們還有這麼多的事情要做所以剛剛所說的風險控管就要更小心一些了所以剛才我們又說到這個輝達執行長我們也知道其實黃仁勳旋風一直都在那不管他逛夜市不管他去哪家餐廳參加視狀運都可以引起這個全國矚目也是媒體追逐的焦點\n那所以呢 他在這個北流的演講當中去宣布說 輝達台灣總部要落腳在台北的北投士林科技園區那這件事情在之前 主委這邊有沒有相當的掌握跟了解他自己宣布之前 他其實並沒有透露\n手口如瓶好那其實我相信包括本席的選區桃園我們都一定會想要積極來爭取可是我們看到像輝達這樣的一個科技巨頭在選址的時候他應該有很多的考量包括人才供電還有產業聚落等等這也凸顯一個核心的問題就是未來台灣要在全球AI與高科技的浪潮當中保持競爭力科學園區的前瞻規劃還有土地整備絕對是非常重要的這一點主委同意嗎\n所以国科会也正在规划要增建科学园区的土地面积上个礼拜在5月21号的时候环境部召开了新设科学园区政策评估说明专案小组的会议当时国科会以厂商要跟流台湾来做一个修正的原因也提出了要增加科学园区的用地那这个目标是在2050年新设3000公顷的科学园区用地对吗\n是 我們的確提出這樣但是據本席了解這個面積比原來說要增設1000公頃大幅增加了就是說我們的目標值大幅增加了三倍之多可是我們又看到截至今年5月我們台灣目前在營運中的科學園區面積是4472公頃如果加上開發或者開發中或者規劃中869公頃那合計總共是5341公頃\n我們現在說要再增加3000公頃等於是增加全台灣現在現有科學面積的56%是這麼大的量所以我想要請教一下主委我們現在我們講出來這3000公頃的開發規劃是如何推估產業需求的\n報告委員剛剛講三千公頃就是加上目前一千公頃再加兩千那其實我們未來的這個需求台積電依照我們的人力土地水電等資源的推估大概還需要再一千公頃那為什麼要提兩千公頃原因是因為我接任以後我其實是希望我們發展未來的園區是要把產業跟生態跟社區\n要把它融合在一起弄成一個比較低度開發的這種優質的這個園區我們的確是要保護生態如果我們園區裡面只是產業而已那生態就是在園區外面我們讓它置身置面的話反而對於我們濱林絕種的生物\n會有更大的這個如果你說的這個部分我想本席十分的認同其實本來也就是要提醒這其實是您剛剛所說的部分是重要的那您既然已經注意到了我覺得在將來的規劃跟落實的執行各方面我覺得要更細緻一點因為你看你現在說的原本的一千加兩千總之要增加三千公頃這個面積其實非常大\n這系統就像本行的選區桃園區差不多的大小也差不多就是我們竹科將近4.6倍大所以您剛所說的部分我想科研AI的發展尤其是我想我們自己的召委其實葛如君委員其實在這方面也是非常的支持的所以我想面對這麼大面積的土地開發的規劃就像您剛所說的那一些些您剛所提出的每一項都應該要審慎的評估\n那可是呢比較可惜的是到目前為止我在這個國科會的科學園區政策評估說明書裡面我覺得還沒有看到太多太細的說明跟評估啦我是希望能不能盡快的把它這個就是送出來給我們看因為在上一週專案小組會議之後本席看到媒體有很多的環評委員認為國科會的說明書叫做寫得蠻糟的問題蠻多的那尤其針對\n廢棄物處理還有用水用電都沒有辦法說明完整那更遑論剛才主委所說的這麼遠大的目標要做一個整體的開發跟保護所以是不是啊這裡因為今天時間也到了能不能請國客會會後用書面來補充說明多久可以送上來兩個月內可以兩個月內不會太久嗎因為現在還有委員在提意見所以我們會依照委員的意見\n讓委員可以放心的狀況之下我們調整完一定會送給萬委員好 那我想叫委員會其實我們所有的委員都要了解好不好好 謝謝好 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