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00:01:11,938\n好那沒關係我這次跟大家講就是這可能要換檔案喔在這地方我們先看到的是在國科會的這個計畫當中它其實有一個部分就是說它有個填要填主要學歷然後再有最高的學歷再依次來寫那這個情況之下呢這是很重要的部分而且是依照最高學歷依次來寫那就往下看那我們現在就想要請問的是下一頁好\n\n4\n00:01:18,136 --> 00:01:20,464\n這個部分好這個部分\n\n5\n00:01:21,601 --> 00:01:26,964\n我們的助理他應該是換錯檔案那我現在跟大家講的是在這個我想要詢問的是在台北科大的江雅琪教授她過去她101年畢業之後她在102年的時候就開始做這個申請那曾經是有9次的這個申請的這個情形那在申請的這個情形當中呢她在她個人資料這部分她寫的是計畫主持人不同意公開\n\n6\n00:01:48,556 --> 00:01:58,002\n那請問主委因為這個新聞已經有報出來了請問您知道江亞琪教授在她的這樣子的寫國科會計畫申請的時候她寫的這個個人資料部分她的這個內容她的在個人的主要學門的部分她是寫什麼\n\n7\n00:02:05,795 --> 00:02:15,724\n我們學者如果他個資的部分他選擇不公開我們是當然是依照個資法我們是不能公開的對但是你們後來應該你們在兩年前的時候有做這樣的一個審核了啦這部分我們現在就看到這裡齁他主審辦沒有空過那沒有關係因為之後因為這件事情你們國科會在前年的時候應該也有處理我們往下看齁這部分\n\n8\n00:02:27,615 --> 00:02:36,402\n在後來的情況之下那就看到是說其實江雅琪教授她本身的學歷是那個證書上面寫的是她是社會\n\n9\n00:02:38,069 --> 00:03:00,498\n杜倫大學的2012年畢業的這樣的一個士他是社會科學健康學院的哲學博士是他的哲學博士好但是呢我們後來看到國科會在審查的情況之下因為他一會被人家檢舉那檢舉的時候呢就很清楚的呈現出來是他事實上他寫的是法學院博士法學院的博士\n\n10\n00:03:01,458 --> 00:03:06,260\n那法學院博士的這情況下後來他就被檢舉在台北科大的情況呢他事實上在110年的時候呢有人檢舉到教育部的這個部長信湘就呈現出來是他是因為這個申請到這個光明教育委員會的這個計畫的時候呢被申請認定說是他被揭發不實所以他還被要求說管理費要回來要把他繳回那他也繳回了那我們後來再看到說\n\n11\n00:03:26,687 --> 00:03:34,569\n繼續有人在檢舉之後我們再往下看在這個新聞當中呈現出來是2022年等於說是111年的情況之下呢這個部分他在6月25號的時候稱了北科大的審查認為是有問題的北科大他自稱北科大的審查是有問題的那科技部呢就判他反立功因為他說呢因為已經釐清了那這個地方我們大家還沒有聽到是什麼東西可是到隔一天的時候我們看看是\n\n12\n00:03:53,775 --> 00:03:56,657\n111年的6月26號的時候往下一頁看111年6月26號的時候呢這是你們國科會自己抓的這個媒體的這個報導那報導當中出到這個部分了就是因為他沒有得到就是依照這個\n\n13\n00:04:09,488 --> 00:04:36,966\n研究資料的這個表決來做的時候呢他事實上是三分之二是沒有過但是你們在上面解說了本案雖未達構成違反學術倫理的行為但是呢因為填寫他因為他填的是法學院他不實的這個情勢呢跟填寫實際情況是不符的疏失的所以就發函說應該未來的時候就是應該不要再發生這種情形就再改變可是這出現這樣情況下說你們審查判定未達造假但是卻認定不實這兩個不是\n\n14\n00:04:40,889 --> 00:04:55,464\n我跟委員報告我們國科會如果有違反學術倫理的案件被舉報了國科會一定會組成委員會來討論他是不是有違反學術倫理然後要討論他如何要處置\n\n15\n00:04:58,206 --> 00:05:06,492\n那這個案件在當時就我所知因為這不是我認為辦理的在當時的確進到我們學術倫理委員會那委員根據辦法我們一定要依法行事但是我跟你講這邊部分我們看到往下一看的時候他不實是確定的但是你們再看看他下面的呈現到處是說如果你們看到他們這個規則在講說處理及審議要等於說造假是存在虛構不存在的申請資料跟研究成果等等的\n\n16\n00:05:28,306 --> 00:05:37,193\n可是是不是你們內部在討論的時候我現在只要確定事實上是說他的確有不實嘛對不對因為你們的內容這樣講那我現在只是要跟主委您講的實在是說如果他不實的話當然如果真的達到的話就是輸滅的嫁戒嘛對不對可是你們說因為三分之二沒達到可是你們卻在你們的新聞稿當中提出來這些部分嘛八卦是說他真的是虛假不實所以要他做改變嘛如果他不是如果他是真的那為什麼需要改變需要讓他說以後不要再做這樣的事情\n\n17\n00:05:57,307 --> 00:06:12,831\n是他的確因為他是個人填的他的個人資料是他個人填就好像我個人的履歷都是我自己寫的那我怎麼樣講我的履歷別人其實不太會來關注這個事情是因為他填到國科會的網站上面\n\n18\n00:06:13,131 --> 00:06:31,251\n但是主委我現在跟您問一個問題如果你寫法學院的博士跟你是社會健康學院的博士你在申請相關領域的這樣一個申請的時候你覺得哪一個比較容易被申請到應該就是可以據道應該是法學院吧對這是申請人他個人自己判斷我們是允許\n\n19\n00:06:31,812 --> 00:07:00,894\n我們允許不同領域的人到不同的學門申請計畫這是允許因為有很多跨領域合作的研究是需要不同的學門的人一起來做研究這是允許的但是他宣稱自己從某個學院畢業是他自己要負責是他自己填的那我們在學術倫理委員會我們也討論了但是並沒有到三分之二的委員認為這個已經嚴重到只是希望他要更改\n\n20\n00:07:02,635 --> 00:07:30,435\n這個是疏失我們的委員會這個部分涉及到的是因為他這個部分涉及到的是他的確有這部分就是他有實際上另外的考量這部分制度這部分就是部分需要是要有確實不然不然你寫這個資料就造成說他有甚至你們在說下面的時候可以看到你們自己寫說一向重視學術研究誠信學歷登載不實你們說的喔不但會傷害學者個人生活也可能影響學術資源分配是公正性這就是重點啦學術資源分配的公正性\n\n21\n00:07:31,255 --> 00:07:36,140\n有可能會誤導審查委員會有這個企圖存在所以這地方絕對是要有做一個惡質的動作好這邊我就先到這邊的為止我們現在回到要做的是關於國客會的預算的解凍這部分往下一頁\n\n22\n00:07:47,779 --> 00:08:02,998\n你們為了在國家太空中心這部分呈現出來是說他在第四點要委員關心的事項當中是說太空產值在全球的太空產業佔比能夠偏低那請問一下這個佔比在全世界的產值比例是佔的多少\n\n23\n00:08:04,861 --> 00:08:07,044\n你說目前啊對對對你們自己有偏低這個數據我要請我們太空中心吳主任是請吳主任因為大概現在佔比是比較低大概2到3%2到3%主要原因以前台灣是沒有太空產業這回事\n\n24\n00:08:20,098 --> 00:08:39,230\n好我們現在先知道我們從這個基礎往上發展那我們也看到太空產業的發展當中你們就分成四大領域衛星製造衛星發射地面設備跟衛星服務這四大領域這是你們寫的那我們繼續往下看就一個一個來看的時候那我們再看到的是你們在剛才的整個四個領域當中是2773億當中\n\n25\n00:08:42,032 --> 00:09:03,612\n在第三個部分地面設施的部分設備這部分你們佔了2464億所以這個平面看起來是說它佔的是比較高超過了應該是有大概九成左右嘛對不對那九成左右那其他的三個領域當中是當然就要再講就是它可能有分配88%啦那其他三種的發展就是應該極速的要加強對不對\n\n26\n00:09:06,531 --> 00:09:11,456\n我們都要發展但是因為地面設備的部分量是最大的所以它的佔比會將來的產值佔比會最高這部分我看到再繼續看到衛星製造這一部分那我們現在是有一個就是你們有說到新創追星計畫這一部分\n\n27\n00:09:23,647 --> 00:09:27,230\n它這個有些衛星的關鍵元件要去製造那自製率因為你們把所謂的太空的這個計畫把它自組衛星計畫的自組是當作很重要的一個目標嘛那現在的關鍵元件自組率現在自製率是攢到95%的那請問大概預計什麼時候會到達100%\n\n28\n00:09:43,223 --> 00:10:04,597\n有沒有這樣的規劃預計自己的目標設定我們其實要跟國際合作不見得要到百分之百有很多關鍵的零組件跟我們友善的國家一個合作的關係反而會創造我們更多的市場所以我們在策略上不要變成是一個獨佔但是我們現在目標當然是希望能夠達到八九十%\n\n29\n00:10:05,958 --> 00:10:26,272\n這樣的這個自治率那跟一個友好的國家我們要維持一個很好的這個合作的關係那將來才有辦法讓我們可以使用到很多的衛星的這個頻寬因為我們自己做了這個花錢我們自己做的完整的衛星的數量不會太多政府的資源有限希望將來扶持產業的發展讓我們\n\n30\n00:10:29,594 --> 00:10:53,359\n你們用你們策略性的考量就對了啦對有策略性的考量好那我們繼續往下看因為還有其他提醒要問我們那我們繼續往下看那衛星發射這是我們現在的重點啦你們在報告上都寫照是說要規劃在2000公斤的這個一個籌債的任務一個需求那這個部分因為目前我們現在看微衛星那你們現在包括了福衛的這個8號通通都是大概400多公斤嘛那你們400公斤左右你們都是透過跟國際間的這個發射到卡納維爾角這部分\n\n31\n00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:21,520\n那大概何時遇到到兩千公斤的這部分,因為需要有目標的規劃兩百公斤的規範我們現在福衛八號預計今年十月要發射,大概有四百公斤沒錯可是我們現在是自主的一個發射能力啊,這很重要啊自主發射能力,火箭的部分我們目標是兩百,因為是要發射那個通信衛星通信衛星跟現在福衛八號它是主要是遙測\n\n32\n00:11:22,881 --> 00:11:31,043\n那什麼時候要達成?預計什麼時候完成?有沒有目標當中一個目標?你說那個200公斤的那個入軌火箭的部分嗎?對,入軌火箭目前預計到自主發射10年我們從去年開始算就是到20342034年因為現在還要建置還要建置這個發射廠然後我們那個火箭\n\n33\n00:11:51,508 --> 00:12:02,754\n火箭的這個研究的大樓也是才開始要蓋所以因為這個預算的編列就是限制我們沒有辦法一下的確的確我們剛才看到這邊其實還有很大的發展空間那我們繼續往下看你剛才講到那個發射的這個場地場域的部分我們看到這部分\n\n34\n00:12:09,497 --> 00:12:31,756\n今年的時候你們已經也做了一個新聞媒體的記者會是說新聞稿要呈現出來3月26號說的已經確定的是在兩個一個台東一個在屏東的滿洲鄉的情況之下那因為它本身有需要很多的這個場址上面有些條件要符合那其中你們提到的是說在\n\n35\n00:12:33,297 --> 00:12:58,547\n南台南田部落當中有一個選址就是有這個部落的一個有同意這個部分有達成這個部分可是現在問題你們你們只知道這一部分那我想問的是說請問在屏東你們現在選定的這個屏東縣的九鵬村這部分的確定的這個什麼宮廷這個地方的這個宮廷會有沒有做有沒有做有全部都有做我們在九鵬村也一樣共識已經達成了嗎當地民眾也是六到七成同意\n\n36\n00:13:02,449 --> 00:13:07,652\n其實有超過七成那請問在什麼時候因為你們在剛剛的這個報告當中並沒有你們只寫到南田部落你們沒有寫那所以請問一下南田部落是我們最後選址的兩個最後的這個場址之一那我其實我也公開的講我們將來在這個火箭發射場的規劃建置其實不是只有發射場我們會搭配我們的太空科技博物館太空科技教育館那兩個地方都會有兩個地方都會有\n\n37\n00:13:32,524 --> 00:13:53,109\n兩個地方都有但是你現在是說屏東九鵬村的滿洲鄉的九鵬村已經是確定的已經確定那是發射場發射場將來還有這個我剛提到的博物館跟交易館那還有這個各種各樣的這個結合當地生態旅遊的這個規劃這我知道你們兩個地方我們都會規劃是很好那我現在是說你們確定那請問九鵬村的這個宮廳會是什麼時候舉行的\n\n38\n00:14:00,287 --> 00:14:18,296\n那都已經結束啦都已經同意啦可是你們那邊沒有寫齁所以我想說確定日期因為這個1月4號的在南田部落這邊是有的但是這邊在報告當中是沒有呈現出來所以懷疑是不是沒有做是是都完成了那這個是不是把時間到時候請太空請那個發射的部分屬於這部分來跟來把資料提供出來好\n\n39\n00:14:20,817 --> 00:14:23,201\n好謝謝那繼續往下看另外更重要的是說包括有這個後續的敏感這個環境敏感地區的部分還有這個居民的餘裕的部分我希望在環評這部分也做了嗎\n\n40\n00:14:33,023 --> 00:14:49,435\n環境影響評估是後續要進行因為要選址確定以後我們馬上就要進行所以一定會依照法令一定會做的跟當地的生態保育團體甚至當地村民還有鄉民我們甚至全部都會去溝通\n\n41\n00:14:58,121 --> 00:15:21,108\n這邊就到此,再跟主席借大概半分鐘就好了我們繼續往下看,在這裡清除科學園區它其實佔到蠻大的一個費用那往下看的時候,就是說凍結百分之三十的部分你們提到的項目類別有六項,這六項當中你們事實上對於未明就並沒有具體的明列它的這個細項的部分我們繼續再往下看的時候,可以看到是說\n\n42\n00:15:22,768 --> 00:15:29,493\n成果有講,那未來要做什麼?你看竹科的新竹園區的擴建,榮台園區的擴建,請問擴建是屬於在業務費當中嗎?我請我們接下來馬上要上任的新的局長擴建一開始是在我們建管組業務費裡面的規劃\n\n43\n00:15:44,281 --> 00:15:46,564\n所以它事實上真的是業務費擴建這部分好那請問一下在生物VO這個生物跟這個資通產業的整合編列的產業也是放在它的這個發展也是放在業務費是嗎是的它這是一個補助的計畫好\n\n44\n00:16:00,141 --> 00:16:21,040\n還有人才培訓的計畫好那這個地方我希望還是看到有時候KPI的部分就是到底想要達到什麼一個效果成果等等因為你們這邊在報告當中都沒有寫反而是花很多時間在過去的可是最重要是凍結預算要把它解重的話最重要是要看到未來你們做到什麼東西可是這邊沒有呈現出來我想應該把它補充是不是在大概兩個禮拜就呈現出來你們這個這個目標的KPI呈現好順道辦理好謝謝那就謝謝主席好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7126\t9911\t有請吳主委有請吳主委備質詢 謝謝女委員好好 主委好\n16308\t36640\t我們看下一頁就是作為一個高教領域的學者那我們的研究能力的一個提升還有促進國家的科研發展其實是非常重要的一個工作那我們看到下一面計畫的時候可以看到是好像不是這一頁\n47790\t71938\t好 那沒關係我這次跟大家講就是這可能要換檔案喔在這地方我們先看到的是在國科會的這個計畫當中它其實有一個部分就是說它有個填要填主要學歷然後再有最高的學歷再依次來寫那這個情況之下呢這是很重要的部分而且是依照最高學歷依次來寫那就往下看那我們現在就想要請問的是下一頁好\n78136\t80464\t這個部分好這個部分\n81601\t86964\t我們的助理他應該是換錯檔案那我現在跟大家講的是在這個我想要詢問的是在台北科大的江雅琪教授她過去她101年畢業之後她在102年的時候就開始做這個申請那曾經是有9次的這個申請的這個情形那在申請的這個情形當中呢她在她個人資料這部分她寫的是計畫主持人不同意公開\n108556\t118002\t那請問主委因為這個新聞已經有報出來了請問您知道江亞琪教授在她的這樣子的寫國科會計畫申請的時候她寫的這個個人資料部分她的這個內容她的在個人的主要學門的部分她是寫什麼\n125795\t135724\t我們學者如果他個資的部分他選擇不公開我們是當然是依照個資法我們是不能公開的對 但是你們後來應該你們在兩年前的時候有做這樣的一個審核了啦這部分我們現在就看到這裡齁他主審辦沒有空過那沒有關係因為之後因為這件事情你們國科會在前年的時候應該也有處理我們往下看齁這部分\n147615\t156402\t在後來的情況之下 那就看到是說其實江雅琪教授她本身的學歷是那個證書上面寫的是 她是社會\n158069\t180498\t杜倫大學的2012年畢業的這樣的一個士他是社會科學健康學院的哲學博士是他的哲學博士好 但是呢我們後來看到國科會在審查的情況之下因為他一會被人家檢舉那檢舉的時候呢就很清楚的呈現出來是他事實上他寫的是法學院博士法學院的博士\n181458\t186260\t那法學院博士的這情況下後來他就被檢舉在台北科大的情況呢他事實上在110年的時候呢有人檢舉到教育部的這個部長信湘就呈現出來是他是因為這個申請到這個光明教育委員會的這個計畫的時候呢被申請認定說是他被揭發不實所以他還被要求說管理費要回來要把他繳回那他也繳回了那我們後來再看到說\n206687\t214569\t繼續有人在檢舉之後我們再往下看在這個新聞當中呈現出來是2022年等於說是111年的情況之下呢這個部分他在6月25號的時候稱了北科大的審查認為是有問題的北科大他自稱北科大的審查是有問題的那科技部呢就判他反立功因為他說呢因為已經釐清了那這個地方我們大家還沒有聽到是什麼東西可是到隔一天的時候我們看看是\n233775\t236657\t111年的6月26號的時候往下一頁看111年6月26號的時候呢這是你們國科會自己抓的這個媒體的這個報導那報導當中出到這個部分了就是因為他沒有得到就是依照這個\n249488\t276966\t研究資料的這個表決來做的時候呢他事實上是三分之二是沒有過但是你們在上面解說了本案雖未達構成違反學術倫理的行為但是呢因為填寫他因為他填的是法學院他不實的這個情勢呢跟填寫實際情況是不符的疏失的所以就發函說應該未來的時候就是應該不要再發生這種情形就再改變可是這出現這樣情況下說你們審查判定未達造假但是卻認定不實這兩個不是\n280889\t295464\t我跟委員報告我們國科會如果有違反學術倫理的案件被舉報了國科會一定會組成委員會來討論他是不是有違反學術倫理然後要討論他如何要處置\n298206\t306492\t那這個案件在當時就我所知因為這不是我認為辦理的在當時的確進到我們學術倫理委員會那委員根據辦法我們一定要依法行事但是我跟你講這邊部分我們看到往下一看的時候他不實是確定的但是你們再看看他下面的呈現到處是說如果你們看到他們這個規則在講說處理及審議要等於說造假是存在虛構不存在的申請資料跟研究成果等等的\n328306\t337193\t可是是不是你們內部在討論的時候我現在只要確定事實上是說他的確有不實嘛對不對因為你們的內容這樣講那我現在只是要跟主委您講的實在是說如果他不實的話當然如果真的達到的話就是輸滅的嫁戒嘛對不對可是你們說因為三分之二沒達到可是你們卻在你們的新聞稿當中提出來這些部分嘛八卦是說他真的是虛假不實所以要他做改變嘛如果他不是如果他是真的那為什麼需要改變需要讓他說以後不要再做這樣的事情\n357307\t372831\t是他的確因為他是個人填的他的個人資料是他個人填就好像我個人的履歷都是我自己寫的那我怎麼樣講我的履歷別人其實不太會來關注這個事情是因為他填到國科會的網站上面\n373131\t391251\t但是主委我現在跟您問一個問題如果你寫法學院的博士跟你是社會健康學院的博士你在申請相關領域的這樣一個申請的時候你覺得哪一個比較容易被申請到應該就是可以據道應該是法學院吧對這是申請人他個人自己判斷我們是允許\n391812\t420894\t我們允許不同領域的人到不同的學門申請計畫這是允許因為有很多跨領域合作的研究是需要不同的學門的人一起來做研究這是允許的但是他宣稱自己從某個學院畢業是他自己要負責是他自己填的那我們在學術倫理委員會我們也討論了但是並沒有到三分之二的委員認為這個已經嚴重到只是希望他要更改\n422635\t450435\t這個是疏失我們的委員會這個部分涉及到的是因為他這個部分涉及到的是他的確有這部分就是他有實際上另外的考量這部分制度這部分就是部分需要是要有確實不然不然你寫這個資料就造成說他有甚至你們在說下面的時候可以看到你們自己寫說一向重視學術研究誠信學歷登載不實你們說的喔不但會傷害學者個人生活也可能影響學術資源分配是公正性這就是重點啦學術資源分配的公正性\n451255\t456140\t有可能會誤導審查委員會有這個企圖存在所以這地方絕對是要有做一個惡質的動作好這邊我就先到這邊的為止我們現在回到要做的是關於國客會的預算的解凍這部分往下一頁\n467779\t482998\t你們為了在國家太空中心這部分呈現出來是說他在第四點要委員關心的事項當中是說太空產值在全球的太空產業佔比能夠偏低那請問一下這個佔比在全世界的產值比例是佔的多少\n484861\t487044\t你說目前啊對對對你們自己有偏低這個數據我要請我們太空中心吳主任是請吳主任因為大概現在佔比是比較低大概2到3%2到3%主要原因以前台灣是沒有太空產業這回事\n500098\t519230\t好 我們現在先知道 我們從這個基礎往上發展那我們也看到太空產業的發展當中你們就分成四大領域衛星製造 衛星發射 地面設備跟衛星服務這四大領域這是你們寫的 那我們繼續往下看就一個一個來看的時候那我們再看到的是你們在剛才的整個四個領域當中是2773億當中\n522032\t543612\t在第三個部分 地面設施的部分 設備這部分你們佔了2464億所以這個平面看起來是說它佔的是比較高超過了應該是有大概九成左右嘛 對不對那九成左右 那其他的三個領域當中是當然就要再講就是它可能有分配88%啦那其他三種的發展就是應該極速的要加強 對不對\n546531\t551456\t我們都要發展 但是因為地面設備的部分量是最大的所以它的佔比會 將來的產值 佔比會最高這部分我看到 再繼續看到衛星製造這一部分那我們現在是有一個就是你們有說到新創追星計畫這一部分\n563647\t567230\t它這個有些衛星的關鍵元件要去製造那自製率因為你們把所謂的太空的這個計畫把它自組衛星計畫的自組是當作很重要的一個目標嘛那現在的關鍵元件自組率現在自製率是攢到95%的那請問大概預計什麼時候會到達100%\n583223\t604597\t有沒有這樣的規劃預計自己的目標設定我們其實要跟國際合作不見得要到百分之百有很多關鍵的零組件跟我們友善的國家一個合作的關係反而會創造我們更多的市場所以我們在策略上不要變成是一個獨佔但是我們現在目標當然是希望能夠達到八九十%\n605958\t626272\t這樣的這個自治率那跟一個友好的國家我們要維持一個很好的這個合作的關係那將來才有辦法讓我們可以使用到很多的衛星的這個頻寬因為我們自己做了這個花錢我們自己做的完整的衛星的數量不會太多政府的資源有限希望將來扶持產業的發展讓我們\n629594\t653359\t你們用你們策略性的考量就對了啦對有策略性的考量好那我們繼續往下看因為還有其他提醒要問我們那我們繼續往下看那衛星發射這是我們現在的重點啦你們在報告上都寫照是說要規劃在2000公斤的這個一個籌債的任務一個需求那這個部分因為目前我們現在看微衛星那你們現在包括了福衛的這個8號通通都是大概400多公斤嘛那你們400公斤左右你們都是透過跟國際間的這個發射到卡納維爾角這部分\n656960\t681520\t那大概何時遇到到兩千公斤的這部分,因為需要有目標的規劃兩百公斤的規範我們現在福衛八號預計今年十月要發射,大概有四百公斤沒錯可是我們現在是自主的一個發射能力啊,這很重要啊自主發射能力,火箭的部分我們目標是兩百,因為是要發射那個通信衛星通信衛星跟現在福衛八號它是主要是遙測\n682881\t691043\t那什麼時候要達成?預計什麼時候完成?有沒有目標當中一個目標?你說那個200公斤的那個入軌火箭的部分嗎?對,入軌火箭目前預計到自主發射10年我們從去年開始算就是到20342034年因為現在還要建置還要建置這個發射廠然後我們那個火箭\n711508\t722754\t火箭的這個研究的大樓也是才開始要蓋所以因為這個預算的編列就是限制我們沒有辦法一下的確的確我們剛才看到這邊其實還有很大的發展空間那我們繼續往下看你剛才講到那個發射的這個場地場域的部分我們看到這部分\n729497\t751756\t今年的時候你們已經也做了一個新聞媒體的記者會是說新聞稿要呈現出來3月26號說的已經確定的是在兩個一個台東一個在屏東的滿洲鄉的情況之下那因為它本身有需要很多的這個場址上面有些條件要符合那其中你們提到的是說在\n753297\t778547\t南台南田部落當中有一個選址就是有這個部落的一個有同意這個部分有達成這個部分可是現在問題你們你們只知道這一部分那我想問的是說請問在屏東你們現在選定的這個屏東縣的九鵬村這部分的確定的這個什麼宮廷這個地方的這個宮廷會有沒有做有沒有做有全部都有做我們在九鵬村也一樣共識已經達成了嗎當地民眾也是六到七成同意\n782449\t787652\t其實有超過七成那請問在什麼時候因為你們在剛剛的這個報告當中並沒有你們只寫到南田部落你們沒有寫那所以請問一下南田部落是我們最後選址的兩個最後的這個場址之一那我其實我也公開的講我們將來在這個火箭發射場的規劃建置其實不是只有發射場我們會搭配我們的太空科技博物館太空科技教育館那兩個地方都會有兩個地方都會有\n812524\t833109\t兩個地方都有但是你現在是說屏東九鵬村的滿洲鄉的九鵬村已經是確定的已經確定那是發射場發射場將來還有這個我剛提到的博物館跟交易館那還有這個各種各樣的這個結合當地生態旅遊的這個規劃這我知道你們兩個地方我們都會規劃是很好那我現在是說你們確定那請問九鵬村的這個宮廳會是什麼時候舉行的\n840287\t858296\t那都已經結束啦 都已經同意啦可是你們那邊沒有寫齁所以我想說確定日期因為這個1月4號的在南田部落這邊是有的但是這邊在報告當中是沒有呈現出來所以懷疑是不是沒有做是 是 都完成了那這個是不是把時間到時候請太空 請那個發射的部分屬於這部分來跟來把資料提供出來好\n860817\t863201\t好 謝謝 那繼續往下看另外更重要的是說包括有這個後續的敏感這個環境敏感地區的部分還有這個居民的餘裕的部分我希望在環評這部分也做了嗎\n873023\t889435\t環境影響評估是後續要進行因為要選址確定以後我們馬上就要進行所以一定會依照法令一定會做的跟當地的生態保育團體甚至當地村民還有鄉民我們甚至全部都會去溝通\n898121\t921108\t這邊就到此,再跟主席借大概半分鐘就好了我們繼續往下看,在這裡清除科學園區它其實佔到蠻大的一個費用那往下看的時候,就是說凍結百分之三十的部分你們提到的項目類別有六項,這六項當中你們事實上對於未明就並沒有具體的明列它的這個細項的部分我們繼續再往下看的時候,可以看到是說\n922768\t929493\t成果有講,那未來要做什麼?你看竹科的新竹園區的擴建,榮台園區的擴建,請問擴建是屬於在業務費當中嗎?我請我們接下來馬上要上任的新的局長擴建一開始是在我們建管組業務費裡面的規劃\n944281\t946564\t所以它事實上真的是業務費擴建這部分好那請問一下在生物VO這個生物跟這個資通產業的整合編列的產業也是放在它的這個發展也是放在業務費是嗎是的它這是一個補助的計畫好\n960141\t981040\t還有人才培訓的計畫好 那這個地方我希望還是看到有時候KPI的部分就是到底想要達到什麼一個效果成果等等因為你們這邊在報告當中都沒有寫反而是花很多時間在過去的可是最重要是凍結預算要把它解重的話最重要是要看到未來你們做到什麼東西可是這邊沒有呈現出來我想應該把它補充是不是在大概兩個禮拜就呈現出來你們這個這個目標的KPI呈現好 順道辦理好 謝謝那就謝謝主席好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"有請吳主委有請吳主委備質詢 謝謝女委員好好 主委好\n我們看下一頁就是作為一個高教領域的學者那我們的研究能力的一個提升還有促進國家的科研發展其實是非常重要的一個工作那我們看到下一面計畫的時候可以看到是好像不是這一頁\n好 那沒關係我這次跟大家講就是這可能要換檔案喔在這地方我們先看到的是在國科會的這個計畫當中它其實有一個部分就是說它有個填要填主要學歷然後再有最高的學歷再依次來寫那這個情況之下呢這是很重要的部分而且是依照最高學歷依次來寫那就往下看那我們現在就想要請問的是下一頁好\n這個部分好這個部分\n我們的助理他應該是換錯檔案那我現在跟大家講的是在這個我想要詢問的是在台北科大的江雅琪教授她過去她101年畢業之後她在102年的時候就開始做這個申請那曾經是有9次的這個申請的這個情形那在申請的這個情形當中呢她在她個人資料這部分她寫的是計畫主持人不同意公開\n那請問主委因為這個新聞已經有報出來了請問您知道江亞琪教授在她的這樣子的寫國科會計畫申請的時候她寫的這個個人資料部分她的這個內容她的在個人的主要學門的部分她是寫什麼\n我們學者如果他個資的部分他選擇不公開我們是當然是依照個資法我們是不能公開的對 但是你們後來應該你們在兩年前的時候有做這樣的一個審核了啦這部分我們現在就看到這裡齁他主審辦沒有空過那沒有關係因為之後因為這件事情你們國科會在前年的時候應該也有處理我們往下看齁這部分\n在後來的情況之下 那就看到是說其實江雅琪教授她本身的學歷是那個證書上面寫的是 她是社會\n杜倫大學的2012年畢業的這樣的一個士他是社會科學健康學院的哲學博士是他的哲學博士好 但是呢我們後來看到國科會在審查的情況之下因為他一會被人家檢舉那檢舉的時候呢就很清楚的呈現出來是他事實上他寫的是法學院博士法學院的博士\n那法學院博士的這情況下後來他就被檢舉在台北科大的情況呢他事實上在110年的時候呢有人檢舉到教育部的這個部長信湘就呈現出來是他是因為這個申請到這個光明教育委員會的這個計畫的時候呢被申請認定說是他被揭發不實所以他還被要求說管理費要回來要把他繳回那他也繳回了那我們後來再看到說\n繼續有人在檢舉之後我們再往下看在這個新聞當中呈現出來是2022年等於說是111年的情況之下呢這個部分他在6月25號的時候稱了北科大的審查認為是有問題的北科大他自稱北科大的審查是有問題的那科技部呢就判他反立功因為他說呢因為已經釐清了那這個地方我們大家還沒有聽到是什麼東西可是到隔一天的時候我們看看是\n111年的6月26號的時候往下一頁看111年6月26號的時候呢這是你們國科會自己抓的這個媒體的這個報導那報導當中出到這個部分了就是因為他沒有得到就是依照這個\n研究資料的這個表決來做的時候呢他事實上是三分之二是沒有過但是你們在上面解說了本案雖未達構成違反學術倫理的行為但是呢因為填寫他因為他填的是法學院他不實的這個情勢呢跟填寫實際情況是不符的疏失的所以就發函說應該未來的時候就是應該不要再發生這種情形就再改變可是這出現這樣情況下說你們審查判定未達造假但是卻認定不實這兩個不是\n我跟委員報告我們國科會如果有違反學術倫理的案件被舉報了國科會一定會組成委員會來討論他是不是有違反學術倫理然後要討論他如何要處置\n那這個案件在當時就我所知因為這不是我認為辦理的在當時的確進到我們學術倫理委員會那委員根據辦法我們一定要依法行事但是我跟你講這邊部分我們看到往下一看的時候他不實是確定的但是你們再看看他下面的呈現到處是說如果你們看到他們這個規則在講說處理及審議要等於說造假是存在虛構不存在的申請資料跟研究成果等等的\n可是是不是你們內部在討論的時候我現在只要確定事實上是說他的確有不實嘛對不對因為你們的內容這樣講那我現在只是要跟主委您講的實在是說如果他不實的話當然如果真的達到的話就是輸滅的嫁戒嘛對不對可是你們說因為三分之二沒達到可是你們卻在你們的新聞稿當中提出來這些部分嘛八卦是說他真的是虛假不實所以要他做改變嘛如果他不是如果他是真的那為什麼需要改變需要讓他說以後不要再做這樣的事情\n是他的確因為他是個人填的他的個人資料是他個人填就好像我個人的履歷都是我自己寫的那我怎麼樣講我的履歷別人其實不太會來關注這個事情是因為他填到國科會的網站上面\n但是主委我現在跟您問一個問題如果你寫法學院的博士跟你是社會健康學院的博士你在申請相關領域的這樣一個申請的時候你覺得哪一個比較容易被申請到應該就是可以據道應該是法學院吧對這是申請人他個人自己判斷我們是允許\n我們允許不同領域的人到不同的學門申請計畫這是允許因為有很多跨領域合作的研究是需要不同的學門的人一起來做研究這是允許的但是他宣稱自己從某個學院畢業是他自己要負責是他自己填的那我們在學術倫理委員會我們也討論了但是並沒有到三分之二的委員認為這個已經嚴重到只是希望他要更改\n這個是疏失我們的委員會這個部分涉及到的是因為他這個部分涉及到的是他的確有這部分就是他有實際上另外的考量這部分制度這部分就是部分需要是要有確實不然不然你寫這個資料就造成說他有甚至你們在說下面的時候可以看到你們自己寫說一向重視學術研究誠信學歷登載不實你們說的喔不但會傷害學者個人生活也可能影響學術資源分配是公正性這就是重點啦學術資源分配的公正性\n有可能會誤導審查委員會有這個企圖存在所以這地方絕對是要有做一個惡質的動作好這邊我就先到這邊的為止我們現在回到要做的是關於國客會的預算的解凍這部分往下一頁\n你們為了在國家太空中心這部分呈現出來是說他在第四點要委員關心的事項當中是說太空產值在全球的太空產業佔比能夠偏低那請問一下這個佔比在全世界的產值比例是佔的多少\n你說目前啊對對對你們自己有偏低這個數據我要請我們太空中心吳主任是請吳主任因為大概現在佔比是比較低大概2到3%2到3%主要原因以前台灣是沒有太空產業這回事\n好 我們現在先知道 我們從這個基礎往上發展那我們也看到太空產業的發展當中你們就分成四大領域衛星製造 衛星發射 地面設備跟衛星服務這四大領域這是你們寫的 那我們繼續往下看就一個一個來看的時候那我們再看到的是你們在剛才的整個四個領域當中是2773億當中\n在第三個部分 地面設施的部分 設備這部分你們佔了2464億所以這個平面看起來是說它佔的是比較高超過了應該是有大概九成左右嘛 對不對那九成左右 那其他的三個領域當中是當然就要再講就是它可能有分配88%啦那其他三種的發展就是應該極速的要加強 對不對\n我們都要發展 但是因為地面設備的部分量是最大的所以它的佔比會 將來的產值 佔比會最高這部分我看到 再繼續看到衛星製造這一部分那我們現在是有一個就是你們有說到新創追星計畫這一部分\n它這個有些衛星的關鍵元件要去製造那自製率因為你們把所謂的太空的這個計畫把它自組衛星計畫的自組是當作很重要的一個目標嘛那現在的關鍵元件自組率現在自製率是攢到95%的那請問大概預計什麼時候會到達100%\n有沒有這樣的規劃預計自己的目標設定我們其實要跟國際合作不見得要到百分之百有很多關鍵的零組件跟我們友善的國家一個合作的關係反而會創造我們更多的市場所以我們在策略上不要變成是一個獨佔但是我們現在目標當然是希望能夠達到八九十%\n這樣的這個自治率那跟一個友好的國家我們要維持一個很好的這個合作的關係那將來才有辦法讓我們可以使用到很多的衛星的這個頻寬因為我們自己做了這個花錢我們自己做的完整的衛星的數量不會太多政府的資源有限希望將來扶持產業的發展讓我們\n你們用你們策略性的考量就對了啦對有策略性的考量好那我們繼續往下看因為還有其他提醒要問我們那我們繼續往下看那衛星發射這是我們現在的重點啦你們在報告上都寫照是說要規劃在2000公斤的這個一個籌債的任務一個需求那這個部分因為目前我們現在看微衛星那你們現在包括了福衛的這個8號通通都是大概400多公斤嘛那你們400公斤左右你們都是透過跟國際間的這個發射到卡納維爾角這部分\n那大概何時遇到到兩千公斤的這部分,因為需要有目標的規劃兩百公斤的規範我們現在福衛八號預計今年十月要發射,大概有四百公斤沒錯可是我們現在是自主的一個發射能力啊,這很重要啊自主發射能力,火箭的部分我們目標是兩百,因為是要發射那個通信衛星通信衛星跟現在福衛八號它是主要是遙測\n那什麼時候要達成?預計什麼時候完成?有沒有目標當中一個目標?你說那個200公斤的那個入軌火箭的部分嗎?對,入軌火箭目前預計到自主發射10年我們從去年開始算就是到20342034年因為現在還要建置還要建置這個發射廠然後我們那個火箭\n火箭的這個研究的大樓也是才開始要蓋所以因為這個預算的編列就是限制我們沒有辦法一下的確的確我們剛才看到這邊其實還有很大的發展空間那我們繼續往下看你剛才講到那個發射的這個場地場域的部分我們看到這部分\n今年的時候你們已經也做了一個新聞媒體的記者會是說新聞稿要呈現出來3月26號說的已經確定的是在兩個一個台東一個在屏東的滿洲鄉的情況之下那因為它本身有需要很多的這個場址上面有些條件要符合那其中你們提到的是說在\n南台南田部落當中有一個選址就是有這個部落的一個有同意這個部分有達成這個部分可是現在問題你們你們只知道這一部分那我想問的是說請問在屏東你們現在選定的這個屏東縣的九鵬村這部分的確定的這個什麼宮廷這個地方的這個宮廷會有沒有做有沒有做有全部都有做我們在九鵬村也一樣共識已經達成了嗎當地民眾也是六到七成同意\n其實有超過七成那請問在什麼時候因為你們在剛剛的這個報告當中並沒有你們只寫到南田部落你們沒有寫那所以請問一下南田部落是我們最後選址的兩個最後的這個場址之一那我其實我也公開的講我們將來在這個火箭發射場的規劃建置其實不是只有發射場我們會搭配我們的太空科技博物館太空科技教育館那兩個地方都會有兩個地方都會有\n兩個地方都有但是你現在是說屏東九鵬村的滿洲鄉的九鵬村已經是確定的已經確定那是發射場發射場將來還有這個我剛提到的博物館跟交易館那還有這個各種各樣的這個結合當地生態旅遊的這個規劃這我知道你們兩個地方我們都會規劃是很好那我現在是說你們確定那請問九鵬村的這個宮廳會是什麼時候舉行的\n那都已經結束啦 都已經同意啦可是你們那邊沒有寫齁所以我想說確定日期因為這個1月4號的在南田部落這邊是有的但是這邊在報告當中是沒有呈現出來所以懷疑是不是沒有做是 是 都完成了那這個是不是把時間到時候請太空 請那個發射的部分屬於這部分來跟來把資料提供出來好\n好 謝謝 那繼續往下看另外更重要的是說包括有這個後續的敏感這個環境敏感地區的部分還有這個居民的餘裕的部分我希望在環評這部分也做了嗎\n環境影響評估是後續要進行因為要選址確定以後我們馬上就要進行所以一定會依照法令一定會做的跟當地的生態保育團體甚至當地村民還有鄉民我們甚至全部都會去溝通\n這邊就到此,再跟主席借大概半分鐘就好了我們繼續往下看,在這裡清除科學園區它其實佔到蠻大的一個費用那往下看的時候,就是說凍結百分之三十的部分你們提到的項目類別有六項,這六項當中你們事實上對於未明就並沒有具體的明列它的這個細項的部分我們繼續再往下看的時候,可以看到是說\n成果有講,那未來要做什麼?你看竹科的新竹園區的擴建,榮台園區的擴建,請問擴建是屬於在業務費當中嗎?我請我們接下來馬上要上任的新的局長擴建一開始是在我們建管組業務費裡面的規劃\n所以它事實上真的是業務費擴建這部分好那請問一下在生物VO這個生物跟這個資通產業的整合編列的產業也是放在它的這個發展也是放在業務費是嗎是的它這是一個補助的計畫好\n還有人才培訓的計畫好 那這個地方我希望還是看到有時候KPI的部分就是到底想要達到什麼一個效果成果等等因為你們這邊在報告當中都沒有寫反而是花很多時間在過去的可是最重要是凍結預算要把它解重的話最重要是要看到未來你們做到什麼東西可是這邊沒有呈現出來我想應該把它補充是不是在大概兩個禮拜就呈現出來你們這個這個目標的KPI呈現好 順道辦理好 謝謝那就謝謝主席好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.126 --> 00:09.911\n有請吳主委有請吳主委備質詢謝謝女委員好好主委好\n\n00:16.308 --> 00:36.640\n我們看下一頁就是作為一個高教領域的學者那我們的研究能力的一個提升還有促進國家的科研發展其實是非常重要的一個工作那我們看到下一面計畫的時候可以看到是好像不是這一頁\n\n00:47.790 --> 01:11.938\n好那沒關係我這次跟大家講就是這可能要換檔案喔在這地方我們先看到的是在國科會的這個計畫當中它其實有一個部分就是說它有個填要填主要學歷然後再有最高的學歷再依次來寫那這個情況之下呢這是很重要的部分而且是依照最高學歷依次來寫那就往下看那我們現在就想要請問的是下一頁好\n\n01:18.136 --> 01:20.464\n這個部分好這個部分\n\n01:21.601 --> 01:26.964\n我們的助理他應該是換錯檔案那我現在跟大家講的是在這個我想要詢問的是在台北科大的江雅琪教授她過去她101年畢業之後她在102年的時候就開始做這個申請那曾經是有9次的這個申請的這個情形那在申請的這個情形當中呢她在她個人資料這部分她寫的是計畫主持人不同意公開\n\n01:48.556 --> 01:58.002\n那請問主委因為這個新聞已經有報出來了請問您知道江亞琪教授在她的這樣子的寫國科會計畫申請的時候她寫的這個個人資料部分她的這個內容她的在個人的主要學門的部分她是寫什麼\n\n02:05.795 --> 02:15.724\n我們學者如果他個資的部分他選擇不公開我們是當然是依照個資法我們是不能公開的對但是你們後來應該你們在兩年前的時候有做這樣的一個審核了啦這部分我們現在就看到這裡齁他主審辦沒有空過那沒有關係因為之後因為這件事情你們國科會在前年的時候應該也有處理我們往下看齁這部分\n\n02:27.615 --> 02:36.402\n在後來的情況之下那就看到是說其實江雅琪教授她本身的學歷是那個證書上面寫的是她是社會\n\n02:38.069 --> 03:00.498\n杜倫大學的2012年畢業的這樣的一個士他是社會科學健康學院的哲學博士是他的哲學博士好但是呢我們後來看到國科會在審查的情況之下因為他一會被人家檢舉那檢舉的時候呢就很清楚的呈現出來是他事實上他寫的是法學院博士法學院的博士\n\n03:01.458 --> 03:06.260\n那法學院博士的這情況下後來他就被檢舉在台北科大的情況呢他事實上在110年的時候呢有人檢舉到教育部的這個部長信湘就呈現出來是他是因為這個申請到這個光明教育委員會的這個計畫的時候呢被申請認定說是他被揭發不實所以他還被要求說管理費要回來要把他繳回那他也繳回了那我們後來再看到說\n\n03:26.687 --> 03:34.569\n繼續有人在檢舉之後我們再往下看在這個新聞當中呈現出來是2022年等於說是111年的情況之下呢這個部分他在6月25號的時候稱了北科大的審查認為是有問題的北科大他自稱北科大的審查是有問題的那科技部呢就判他反立功因為他說呢因為已經釐清了那這個地方我們大家還沒有聽到是什麼東西可是到隔一天的時候我們看看是\n\n03:53.775 --> 03:56.657\n111年的6月26號的時候往下一頁看111年6月26號的時候呢這是你們國科會自己抓的這個媒體的這個報導那報導當中出到這個部分了就是因為他沒有得到就是依照這個\n\n04:09.488 --> 04:36.966\n研究資料的這個表決來做的時候呢他事實上是三分之二是沒有過但是你們在上面解說了本案雖未達構成違反學術倫理的行為但是呢因為填寫他因為他填的是法學院他不實的這個情勢呢跟填寫實際情況是不符的疏失的所以就發函說應該未來的時候就是應該不要再發生這種情形就再改變可是這出現這樣情況下說你們審查判定未達造假但是卻認定不實這兩個不是\n\n04:40.889 --> 04:55.464\n我跟委員報告我們國科會如果有違反學術倫理的案件被舉報了國科會一定會組成委員會來討論他是不是有違反學術倫理然後要討論他如何要處置\n\n04:58.206 --> 05:06.492\n那這個案件在當時就我所知因為這不是我認為辦理的在當時的確進到我們學術倫理委員會那委員根據辦法我們一定要依法行事但是我跟你講這邊部分我們看到往下一看的時候他不實是確定的但是你們再看看他下面的呈現到處是說如果你們看到他們這個規則在講說處理及審議要等於說造假是存在虛構不存在的申請資料跟研究成果等等的\n\n05:28.306 --> 05:37.193\n可是是不是你們內部在討論的時候我現在只要確定事實上是說他的確有不實嘛對不對因為你們的內容這樣講那我現在只是要跟主委您講的實在是說如果他不實的話當然如果真的達到的話就是輸滅的嫁戒嘛對不對可是你們說因為三分之二沒達到可是你們卻在你們的新聞稿當中提出來這些部分嘛八卦是說他真的是虛假不實所以要他做改變嘛如果他不是如果他是真的那為什麼需要改變需要讓他說以後不要再做這樣的事情\n\n05:57.307 --> 06:12.831\n是他的確因為他是個人填的他的個人資料是他個人填就好像我個人的履歷都是我自己寫的那我怎麼樣講我的履歷別人其實不太會來關注這個事情是因為他填到國科會的網站上面\n\n06:13.131 --> 06:31.251\n但是主委我現在跟您問一個問題如果你寫法學院的博士跟你是社會健康學院的博士你在申請相關領域的這樣一個申請的時候你覺得哪一個比較容易被申請到應該就是可以據道應該是法學院吧對這是申請人他個人自己判斷我們是允許\n\n06:31.812 --> 07:00.894\n我們允許不同領域的人到不同的學門申請計畫這是允許因為有很多跨領域合作的研究是需要不同的學門的人一起來做研究這是允許的但是他宣稱自己從某個學院畢業是他自己要負責是他自己填的那我們在學術倫理委員會我們也討論了但是並沒有到三分之二的委員認為這個已經嚴重到只是希望他要更改\n\n07:02.635 --> 07:30.435\n這個是疏失我們的委員會這個部分涉及到的是因為他這個部分涉及到的是他的確有這部分就是他有實際上另外的考量這部分制度這部分就是部分需要是要有確實不然不然你寫這個資料就造成說他有甚至你們在說下面的時候可以看到你們自己寫說一向重視學術研究誠信學歷登載不實你們說的喔不但會傷害學者個人生活也可能影響學術資源分配是公正性這就是重點啦學術資源分配的公正性\n\n07:31.255 --> 07:36.140\n有可能會誤導審查委員會有這個企圖存在所以這地方絕對是要有做一個惡質的動作好這邊我就先到這邊的為止我們現在回到要做的是關於國客會的預算的解凍這部分往下一頁\n\n07:47.779 --> 08:02.998\n你們為了在國家太空中心這部分呈現出來是說他在第四點要委員關心的事項當中是說太空產值在全球的太空產業佔比能夠偏低那請問一下這個佔比在全世界的產值比例是佔的多少\n\n08:04.861 --> 08:07.044\n你說目前啊對對對你們自己有偏低這個數據我要請我們太空中心吳主任是請吳主任因為大概現在佔比是比較低大概2到3%2到3%主要原因以前台灣是沒有太空產業這回事\n\n08:20.098 --> 08:39.230\n好我們現在先知道我們從這個基礎往上發展那我們也看到太空產業的發展當中你們就分成四大領域衛星製造衛星發射地面設備跟衛星服務這四大領域這是你們寫的那我們繼續往下看就一個一個來看的時候那我們再看到的是你們在剛才的整個四個領域當中是2773億當中\n\n08:42.032 --> 09:03.612\n在第三個部分地面設施的部分設備這部分你們佔了2464億所以這個平面看起來是說它佔的是比較高超過了應該是有大概九成左右嘛對不對那九成左右那其他的三個領域當中是當然就要再講就是它可能有分配88%啦那其他三種的發展就是應該極速的要加強對不對\n\n09:06.531 --> 09:11.456\n我們都要發展但是因為地面設備的部分量是最大的所以它的佔比會將來的產值佔比會最高這部分我看到再繼續看到衛星製造這一部分那我們現在是有一個就是你們有說到新創追星計畫這一部分\n\n09:23.647 --> 09:27.230\n它這個有些衛星的關鍵元件要去製造那自製率因為你們把所謂的太空的這個計畫把它自組衛星計畫的自組是當作很重要的一個目標嘛那現在的關鍵元件自組率現在自製率是攢到95%的那請問大概預計什麼時候會到達100%\n\n09:43.223 --> 10:04.597\n有沒有這樣的規劃預計自己的目標設定我們其實要跟國際合作不見得要到百分之百有很多關鍵的零組件跟我們友善的國家一個合作的關係反而會創造我們更多的市場所以我們在策略上不要變成是一個獨佔但是我們現在目標當然是希望能夠達到八九十%\n\n10:05.958 --> 10:26.272\n這樣的這個自治率那跟一個友好的國家我們要維持一個很好的這個合作的關係那將來才有辦法讓我們可以使用到很多的衛星的這個頻寬因為我們自己做了這個花錢我們自己做的完整的衛星的數量不會太多政府的資源有限希望將來扶持產業的發展讓我們\n\n10:29.594 --> 10:53.359\n你們用你們策略性的考量就對了啦對有策略性的考量好那我們繼續往下看因為還有其他提醒要問我們那我們繼續往下看那衛星發射這是我們現在的重點啦你們在報告上都寫照是說要規劃在2000公斤的這個一個籌債的任務一個需求那這個部分因為目前我們現在看微衛星那你們現在包括了福衛的這個8號通通都是大概400多公斤嘛那你們400公斤左右你們都是透過跟國際間的這個發射到卡納維爾角這部分\n\n10:56.960 --> 11:21.520\n那大概何時遇到到兩千公斤的這部分,因為需要有目標的規劃兩百公斤的規範我們現在福衛八號預計今年十月要發射,大概有四百公斤沒錯可是我們現在是自主的一個發射能力啊,這很重要啊自主發射能力,火箭的部分我們目標是兩百,因為是要發射那個通信衛星通信衛星跟現在福衛八號它是主要是遙測\n\n11:22.881 --> 11:31.043\n那什麼時候要達成?預計什麼時候完成?有沒有目標當中一個目標?你說那個200公斤的那個入軌火箭的部分嗎?對,入軌火箭目前預計到自主發射10年我們從去年開始算就是到20342034年因為現在還要建置還要建置這個發射廠然後我們那個火箭\n\n11:51.508 --> 12:02.754\n火箭的這個研究的大樓也是才開始要蓋所以因為這個預算的編列就是限制我們沒有辦法一下的確的確我們剛才看到這邊其實還有很大的發展空間那我們繼續往下看你剛才講到那個發射的這個場地場域的部分我們看到這部分\n\n12:09.497 --> 12:31.756\n今年的時候你們已經也做了一個新聞媒體的記者會是說新聞稿要呈現出來3月26號說的已經確定的是在兩個一個台東一個在屏東的滿洲鄉的情況之下那因為它本身有需要很多的這個場址上面有些條件要符合那其中你們提到的是說在\n\n12:33.297 --> 12:58.547\n南台南田部落當中有一個選址就是有這個部落的一個有同意這個部分有達成這個部分可是現在問題你們你們只知道這一部分那我想問的是說請問在屏東你們現在選定的這個屏東縣的九鵬村這部分的確定的這個什麼宮廷這個地方的這個宮廷會有沒有做有沒有做有全部都有做我們在九鵬村也一樣共識已經達成了嗎當地民眾也是六到七成同意\n\n13:02.449 --> 13:07.652\n其實有超過七成那請問在什麼時候因為你們在剛剛的這個報告當中並沒有你們只寫到南田部落你們沒有寫那所以請問一下南田部落是我們最後選址的兩個最後的這個場址之一那我其實我也公開的講我們將來在這個火箭發射場的規劃建置其實不是只有發射場我們會搭配我們的太空科技博物館太空科技教育館那兩個地方都會有兩個地方都會有\n\n13:32.524 --> 13:53.109\n兩個地方都有但是你現在是說屏東九鵬村的滿洲鄉的九鵬村已經是確定的已經確定那是發射場發射場將來還有這個我剛提到的博物館跟交易館那還有這個各種各樣的這個結合當地生態旅遊的這個規劃這我知道你們兩個地方我們都會規劃是很好那我現在是說你們確定那請問九鵬村的這個宮廳會是什麼時候舉行的\n\n14:00.287 --> 14:18.296\n那都已經結束啦都已經同意啦可是你們那邊沒有寫齁所以我想說確定日期因為這個1月4號的在南田部落這邊是有的但是這邊在報告當中是沒有呈現出來所以懷疑是不是沒有做是是都完成了那這個是不是把時間到時候請太空請那個發射的部分屬於這部分來跟來把資料提供出來好\n\n14:20.817 --> 14:23.201\n好謝謝那繼續往下看另外更重要的是說包括有這個後續的敏感這個環境敏感地區的部分還有這個居民的餘裕的部分我希望在環評這部分也做了嗎\n\n14:33.023 --> 14:49.435\n環境影響評估是後續要進行因為要選址確定以後我們馬上就要進行所以一定會依照法令一定會做的跟當地的生態保育團體甚至當地村民還有鄉民我們甚至全部都會去溝通\n\n14:58.121 --> 15:21.108\n這邊就到此,再跟主席借大概半分鐘就好了我們繼續往下看,在這裡清除科學園區它其實佔到蠻大的一個費用那往下看的時候,就是說凍結百分之三十的部分你們提到的項目類別有六項,這六項當中你們事實上對於未明就並沒有具體的明列它的這個細項的部分我們繼續再往下看的時候,可以看到是說\n\n15:22.768 --> 15:29.493\n成果有講,那未來要做什麼?你看竹科的新竹園區的擴建,榮台園區的擴建,請問擴建是屬於在業務費當中嗎?我請我們接下來馬上要上任的新的局長擴建一開始是在我們建管組業務費裡面的規劃\n\n15:44.281 --> 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