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00:01:27,704\n可能就是失去控制等等有各種不同的揣測其實這樣子的一個揣測當然就是也不是一個好的現象因為我們也希望就是說車禍事故也希望就是透過專業的單位來釐清就是這個車禍的原因然後找出原因之後當然我們也是要來預防我相信這也是雲灣會的一個職責所在\n\n6\n00:01:30,965 --> 00:01:51,702\n那我們也看到就是5月21號我們運行會也正式宣布說要立案調查那本席先請教一下就是這一個案子預計多久可以完成正式的調查報告就是不要說什麼初步的調查就是說整個結案然後向國人報告這樣子一個正式報告需要多久時間\n\n7\n00:01:54,028 --> 00:02:10,757\n這個案子是一級案一級案一般是一個月出報然後大概六個月以後有一個事實資料報告然後在一年之後最終的報告會出來但是這個案子我們投入了數個人力在調查那我希望能夠縮短\n\n8\n00:02:12,006 --> 00:02:40,825\n縮短希望能夠縮短時間那就是剛剛主委有提到說這個我們是列為一級的一個事故那是不是可以請主委簡單說一下這個分級我們是怎麼樣去分級怎樣去認定這個分級這個分級是這樣子因為每個像航空水路鐵道公路它的複雜度並不一樣分級這個也是跟國際間都是大概都差不多到的效益但是講到因為譬如說航空\n\n9\n00:02:42,085 --> 00:02:57,035\n有些分級你認為是說我應該18個月我應該15個月可是有些航空機譬如說它的發動機或是它的很多結構物要送到國外去檢驗或什麼這個就有時候不在我們控制之內一般都可以在原則之內把它完成\n\n10\n00:02:57,555 --> 00:03:24,183\n是是那因為我們看到就是從2019年我們運安會改制之後啊就是總共執行了24件的重大是公路事故的一個調查嘛那我們也發現就是說這些調查平均都有提早了2.4個月所以我們在這邊也希望就是說因為這個是一個全國矚目的一個重大車禍事故然後我們也希望就是說能夠盡早完成這個調查\n\n11\n00:03:25,403 --> 00:03:49,363\n然後讓就是可以一方面也是可以找出原因然後預防類似的事件在發生那另一方面也可以安定人心啊因為太多的揣測我覺得對社會也是不好的一個影響是不是那個主委是我們也是朝這個方向在做是好那我知道說我們對於整個就是運安會在執行這個重大車禍事故的一個調查可能就是\n\n12\n00:03:51,184 --> 00:03:58,913\n主要應該是兩個方面一個就是事實資料的一個收集以及包括後續分析作業那在這兩個方向可能在事實資料收集方的環節需要這個車禍事故的殘骸蒐證現場測量\n\n13\n00:04:09,406 --> 00:04:21,248\n紀錄器解讀跟人員訪談還有測試模擬等諸多項目那包括這麼多的一個工作要做那我請問一下就是主委這些工作啊我們的人員需要出差嗎\n\n14\n00:04:22,608 --> 00:04:44,562\n要需要出差要出差啦那因為我們也真的是就是很遺憾就是說看到今年度我們運安會的這個預算雖然今天我們是處理解凍當然就是說解凍的部分都已經處理完畢了可是針對國內旅費的部分事實上也是經過藍白聯手統刪了20%統刪之後我不曉得說這樣子的預算\n\n15\n00:04:52,347 --> 00:05:21,272\n可以就是來應付就是我們的這個就是相關的事故調查的量能嗎我們會變成會比較比較節縮啦但是就是就是會現在每一筆錢就會用的很緊啦但是國外就很吃苦啦國外很吃苦國外的非常非常非常痛苦因為我們要參加國外的會議啊去跟人家參加研討會議都現在都縮掉了這是比較痛苦\n\n16\n00:05:22,312 --> 00:05:44,558\n國外的部分就比較痛苦了剛剛我們也聽到我們的召委對我們這個運安會有很大的期許也很支持說我們要多進行這個交流就是國外交流的部分事實上國外的旅費我們是整個所有的中央政府的各部會是全部被捅散60%的\n\n17\n00:05:46,579 --> 00:05:51,849\n這個規模是很大嘛所以被同山60%之後我們這樣預算大概剩多少\n\n18\n00:05:54,963 --> 00:06:19,575\n一百多萬而已所以我們國外今年因為我們有參加國外很多的會議甚至我們是成員國那變成會排擠一定是會排擠的所以我們也是希望就是剛剛趙委員對你們有很大的期許那應該就是如我們林俊憲委員說的明年\n\n19\n00:06:20,055 --> 00:06:44,968\n我們稍微就不會再刪你們這個預算了我們也希望就是說未來在這個部分應該就是要支持讓我們因為整個社會的期待也希望我們運安會的一個權威跟專業性應該就是要受到國人的一個肯定的所以這個部分真的就是說出國交流的部分真的是非常的重要\n\n20\n00:06:46,028 --> 00:07:05,865\n尤其是開會譬如說我們是國際藝術安全調查安全所長聯會我們是每一年一定要去開在這個平台上我們國家的能限度我們跟各國交換一些調查專業技術等等如果不去確實是很遺憾\n\n21\n00:07:06,425 --> 00:07:15,009\n是是好那最後就是在這邊本席要再強調就是說我們依據運輸事故調查法第五條規定運安會對重大的運輸事故的調查旨在避免運輸事故的再發生所以這個就是在強調我們運安會最重要的工作就是要找出交通事故的這個原因並提出改善的一個建議那我們看到就是說\n\n22\n00:07:33,462 --> 00:07:42,388\n截至這個2024年就是去年為止雲安會針對重大的公路事故調查總共提出了改善的建議是158項那目前剩14項待改善改善率高達86%那就是說這些改善建議對於\n\n23\n00:07:53,295 --> 00:08:18,734\n就是交通的一個安全到底有沒有具體的改善我想這個才是國人重視的另外對於這剩餘14項還沒有改善的這部分我們有去了解是什麼原因嗎對這些還沒改善的是因為它要編預算然後它還要修滑或什麼等等比較慢但是事實上我們都有具體成果譬如說騰龍案對遊覽車車體的安全座椅的安全\n\n24\n00:08:22,737 --> 00:08:36,847\n譬如說南方澳大橋那個案子就對橋樑安全就有改善大陸安全等等我想這個應該就是我們國人所期待需要的對江峰安全有具體改善成效的一個部分\n\n25\n00:08:37,808 --> 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需要出差 要出差啦那因為我們也真的是就是很遺憾就是說看到今年度我們運安會的這個預算雖然今天我們是處理解凍當然就是說解凍的部分都已經處理完畢了可是針對國內旅費的部分事實上也是經過藍白聯手統刪了20%統刪之後我不曉得說這樣子的預算\n292347\t321272\t可以就是來應付就是我們的這個就是相關的事故調查的量能嗎我們會變成會比較比較節縮啦但是就是就是會現在每一筆錢就會用的很緊啦但是國外就很吃苦啦國外很吃苦國外的非常非常非常痛苦因為我們要參加國外的會議啊去跟人家參加研討會議都現在都縮掉了這是比較痛苦\n322312\t344558\t國外的部分就比較痛苦了剛剛我們也聽到我們的召委對我們這個運安會有很大的期許也很支持說我們要多進行這個交流就是國外交流的部分事實上國外的旅費我們是整個所有的中央政府的各部會是全部被捅散60%的\n346579\t351849\t這個規模是很大嘛所以被同山60%之後我們這樣預算大概剩多少\n354963\t379575\t一百多萬而已所以我們國外今年因為我們有參加國外很多的會議甚至我們是成員國那變成會排擠一定是會排擠的所以我們也是希望就是剛剛趙委員對你們有很大的期許那應該就是如我們林俊憲委員說的明年\n380055\t404968\t我們稍微就不會再刪你們這個預算了我們也希望就是說未來在這個部分應該就是要支持讓我們因為整個社會的期待也希望我們運安會的一個權威跟專業性應該就是要受到國人的一個肯定的所以這個部分真的就是說出國交流的部分真的是非常的重要\n406028\t425865\t尤其是開會 譬如說我們是國際藝術安全調查安全所長聯會 我們是每一年一定要去開在這個平台上 我們國家的能限度 我們跟各國交換一些調查專業技術等等如果不去 確實是很遺憾\n426425\t435009\t是是好那最後就是在這邊本席要再強調就是說我們依據運輸事故調查法第五條規定運安會對重大的運輸事故的調查旨在避免運輸事故的再發生所以這個就是在強調我們運安會最重要的工作就是要找出交通事故的這個原因並提出改善的一個建議那我們看到就是說\n453462\t462388\t截至這個2024年就是去年為止 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那應安會林主委\n主委早安今天委員會的委員都在關心就是5月19號三峽那個就是發生的這個重大的車禍事故因為造成了3人死亡12人重傷的這樣子的一個車禍事故真的是舉國嘩然因為那個畫面真的是令人真的是\n就是不忍那個看下去那因為在這個事件發生之後那網路上就很多的一個推測因為看到有網友說這個駕駛好像是路怒症然後我也有看到有網友分析說\n他可能是這個駕駛的那部車的機械問題啊因為他在轉彎的時候就是卡住了那倒車的時候又撞到後面的車那心急之下心慌之下可能就是這個肇事逃逸又加上這個車輛\n可能就是失去控制等等有各種不同的揣測其實這樣子的一個揣測當然就是也不是一個好的現象因為我們也希望就是說車禍事故也希望就是透過專業的單位來釐清就是這個車禍的原因然後找出原因之後當然我們也是要來預防我相信這也是雲灣會的一個職責所在\n那我們也看到就是5月21號我們運行會也正式宣布說要立案調查那本席先請教一下就是這一個案子預計多久可以完成正式的調查報告就是不要說什麼初步的調查就是說整個結案然後向國人報告這樣子一個正式報告需要多久時間\n這個案子是一級案一級案一般是一個月出報然後大概六個月以後有一個事實資料報告然後在一年之後最終的報告會出來但是這個案子我們投入了數個人力在調查那我希望能夠縮短\n縮短希望能夠縮短時間那就是剛剛主委有提到說這個我們是列為一級的一個事故那是不是可以請主委簡單說一下這個分級我們是怎麼樣去分級怎樣去認定這個分級這個分級是這樣子因為每個像航空水路鐵道公路它的複雜度並不一樣分級這個也是跟國際間都是大概都差不多到的效益但是講到因為譬如說航空\n有些分級你認為是說我應該18個月我應該15個月可是有些航空機譬如說它的發動機或是它的很多結構物要送到國外去檢驗或什麼這個就有時候不在我們控制之內一般都可以在原則之內把它完成\n是是那因為我們看到就是從2019年我們運安會改制之後啊就是總共執行了24件的重大是公路事故的一個調查嘛那我們也發現就是說這些調查平均都有提早了2.4個月所以我們在這邊也希望就是說因為這個是一個全國矚目的一個重大車禍事故然後我們也希望就是說能夠盡早完成這個調查\n然後讓就是可以一方面也是可以找出原因然後預防類似的事件在發生那另一方面也可以安定人心啊因為太多的揣測我覺得對社會也是不好的一個影響是不是那個主委是我們也是朝這個方向在做是好那我知道說我們對於整個就是運安會在執行這個重大車禍事故的一個調查可能就是\n主要應該是兩個方面一個就是事實資料的一個收集以及包括後續分析作業那在這兩個方向可能在事實資料收集方的環節需要這個車禍事故的殘骸蒐證現場測量\n紀錄器解讀跟人員訪談還有測試模擬等諸多項目那包括這麼多的一個工作要做那我請問一下就是主委這些工作啊我們的人員需要出差嗎\n要 需要出差 要出差啦那因為我們也真的是就是很遺憾就是說看到今年度我們運安會的這個預算雖然今天我們是處理解凍當然就是說解凍的部分都已經處理完畢了可是針對國內旅費的部分事實上也是經過藍白聯手統刪了20%統刪之後我不曉得說這樣子的預算\n可以就是來應付就是我們的這個就是相關的事故調查的量能嗎我們會變成會比較比較節縮啦但是就是就是會現在每一筆錢就會用的很緊啦但是國外就很吃苦啦國外很吃苦國外的非常非常非常痛苦因為我們要參加國外的會議啊去跟人家參加研討會議都現在都縮掉了這是比較痛苦\n國外的部分就比較痛苦了剛剛我們也聽到我們的召委對我們這個運安會有很大的期許也很支持說我們要多進行這個交流就是國外交流的部分事實上國外的旅費我們是整個所有的中央政府的各部會是全部被捅散60%的\n這個規模是很大嘛所以被同山60%之後我們這樣預算大概剩多少\n一百多萬而已所以我們國外今年因為我們有參加國外很多的會議甚至我們是成員國那變成會排擠一定是會排擠的所以我們也是希望就是剛剛趙委員對你們有很大的期許那應該就是如我們林俊憲委員說的明年\n我們稍微就不會再刪你們這個預算了我們也希望就是說未來在這個部分應該就是要支持讓我們因為整個社會的期待也希望我們運安會的一個權威跟專業性應該就是要受到國人的一個肯定的所以這個部分真的就是說出國交流的部分真的是非常的重要\n尤其是開會 譬如說我們是國際藝術安全調查安全所長聯會 我們是每一年一定要去開在這個平台上 我們國家的能限度 我們跟各國交換一些調查專業技術等等如果不去 確實是很遺憾\n是是好那最後就是在這邊本席要再強調就是說我們依據運輸事故調查法第五條規定運安會對重大的運輸事故的調查旨在避免運輸事故的再發生所以這個就是在強調我們運安會最重要的工作就是要找出交通事故的這個原因並提出改善的一個建議那我們看到就是說\n截至這個2024年就是去年為止 雲安會針對重大的公路事故調查總共提出了改善的建議是158項那目前剩14項待改善改善率高達86%那就是說這些改善建議對於\n就是交通的一個安全到底有沒有具體的改善我想這個才是國人重視的另外對於這剩餘14項還沒有改善的這部分我們有去了解是什麼原因嗎對這些還沒改善的是因為它要編預算然後它還要修滑或什麼等等比較慢但是事實上我們都有具體成果譬如說騰龍案對遊覽車車體的安全 座椅的安全\n譬如說南方澳大橋那個案子就對橋樑安全就有改善大陸安全等等我想這個應該就是我們國人所期待需要的對江峰安全有具體改善成效的一個部分\n是好我想這部分也是大家對於運營會的一個期許那我們也希望就是說在這部分不管是未來的就是國內的旅費或者是國外旅費的需求我們也希望就是我們全體委員都能夠支持好謝謝謝謝委員鼓勵謝謝好謝謝陳樹\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.649 --> 00:05.547\n謝謝主席請主席邀請林主委好那應安會林主委\n\n00:10.363 --> 00:30.622\n主委早安今天委員會的委員都在關心就是5月19號三峽那個就是發生的這個重大的車禍事故因為造成了3人死亡12人重傷的這樣子的一個車禍事故真的是舉國嘩然因為那個畫面真的是令人真的是\n\n00:31.763 --> 00:49.437\n就是不忍那個看下去那因為在這個事件發生之後那網路上就很多的一個推測因為看到有網友說這個駕駛好像是路怒症然後我也有看到有網友分析說\n\n00:50.337 --> 00:54.602\n他可能是這個駕駛的那部車的機械問題啊因為他在轉彎的時候就是卡住了那倒車的時候又撞到後面的車那心急之下心慌之下可能就是這個肇事逃逸又加上這個車輛\n\n01:06.474 --> 01:27.704\n可能就是失去控制等等有各種不同的揣測其實這樣子的一個揣測當然就是也不是一個好的現象因為我們也希望就是說車禍事故也希望就是透過專業的單位來釐清就是這個車禍的原因然後找出原因之後當然我們也是要來預防我相信這也是雲灣會的一個職責所在\n\n01:30.965 --> 01:51.702\n那我們也看到就是5月21號我們運行會也正式宣布說要立案調查那本席先請教一下就是這一個案子預計多久可以完成正式的調查報告就是不要說什麼初步的調查就是說整個結案然後向國人報告這樣子一個正式報告需要多久時間\n\n01:54.028 --> 02:10.757\n這個案子是一級案一級案一般是一個月出報然後大概六個月以後有一個事實資料報告然後在一年之後最終的報告會出來但是這個案子我們投入了數個人力在調查那我希望能夠縮短\n\n02:12.006 --> 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