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00:01:18,664\n過去我們TIDE在國會內部我們找這個學界專家來協助發展它是一個示範性的作用也是少量的經費但是我接著以後我就決定要把它擴散擴散就是我們要更多的研究人力進來那現在包含學界已經在增案了跟更多的學術研究的專家所以是延續之前的TIDE但是是規模內容更多\n\n4\n00:01:19,124 --> 00:01:45,230\n更進步更進步那中央研究院其實最近也有蠻好的這個進展他們將來會公佈他們研究的成果那我們也希望說藉由國科會的產學合作也希望產業界也投入投入相關的這個研究所以將來一定會發展得更順利那國防中心會建立一個平台這個平台會讓新的我們研究的成果除了TED之外還有其他的模型陸續會掛上來\n\n5\n00:01:46,570 --> 00:02:11,228\n是在外國許多AI都會推出APP讓民眾方便使用那在高使用率的這個情況之下可以即時的搜尋網頁做即時的回應其實很多使用者他會習慣使用他使用的很順手他也會建立他的使用的慣用的模式那後續對我們TED在推廣上就會有一點難度因為他已經習慣使用這樣子的一個APP\n\n6\n00:02:12,589 --> 00:02:31,322\n國客會這邊有沒有計畫就是說我們要提供我們的Tide的內容有更具台灣文化的這些相關的資料將Tide打造成適合台灣人使用的這個AI工具報告委員委員的建議非常好我其實正在提醒我們的國網中心因為現在Tide的這個應用\n\n7\n00:02:32,583 --> 00:02:50,984\n平台在觀光中心建立那我也希望觀光中心也發展出讓民眾都可以使用到的Tide的這個應用這個我們觀光中心努力一定在年底之前我要求它一定要完成都可以使用到主要是要說它是好用是順手的所以我會希望說我們建制\n\n8\n00:02:52,125 --> 00:03:10,698\n泰德的時候我們要結合更多的台灣的文化特色例如我們台灣的慣用語我們的台語更多台灣的元素甚至我們的風俗習慣讓民眾在使用的時候覺得說這是符合我們使用的而不是我們去遷就他其他使用的這些軟體而且這是軟體是適用於我們我們國安中心張主任你要不要保證一定要好用\n\n9\n00:03:19,711 --> 00:03:35,352\n保證我們會把用台灣的元素再放在這些語言模型裡面讓大家覺得好用然後也是有台灣味謝謝您的保證因為其實AI軟體是越用越好用因為越多人使用它才會是順手的是那我們資料就會更多\n\n10\n00:03:35,632 --> 00:03:54,152\n我們越多民眾來下載更多產業來運用它的時候我們TiDE的效益會更大更高所以感謝您的保證我也希望說盡量我們加更多的元素就是台灣人的習慣的就是會運用到的這些元素進去的話我們民眾會喜歡的去使用它習慣的去使用它\n\n11\n00:03:55,794 --> 00:03:58,715\n謝謝陳委員接下來我想請教主委我們國會會這邊有宣布說為了補足人力的缺口會投入智慧型機器人的研發包括像人型、四角型、四膀型等等而且首先會以智慧醫療及餐飲、旅宿業的應用為主計畫兩年之內就會有產品可以進入市場來應用\n\n12\n00:04:19,281 --> 00:04:26,117\n我想請教主委目前有計畫優先研發哪一種類型的機器人可以最快的投入市場\n\n13\n00:04:27,295 --> 00:04:48,006\n好我們現在臺灣面臨最嚴重的人力短缺的部分可能是在健康照護的產業旅宿餐飲的產業這些產業的需求就是民眾的需求會造成我們自己在製造端在系統設計供應端這邊的產業投入的意願\n\n14\n00:04:52,668 --> 00:05:15,496\n我們如果沒有借助我們自己產業的實力的話我們要自己發展我們的應用的產業是很困難的所以我的策略就是要針對現在台灣最嚴重的我們人力缺乏民眾需求最高的這個產業會先發展所以大概現在設定的目標在健康紮戶以及旅宿餐飲這個會先做那至於其他的學術研究部分是我們完全開放\n\n15\n00:05:15,936 --> 00:05:31,533\n在这两个方面我们关于智慧医疗及旅宿餐饮业我们去设计一个怎样形态的机器人来服务型都是服务型会跟人接触的那么我们也有跟产业来沟通吗我们是贴近他们的需求的吗\n\n16\n00:05:31,633 --> 00:05:48,489\n有我們在規劃過程當中就是陸續跟學界跟產業界特別是產業界有兩種一種就是科技的供應端的產業那是台灣最強的我們的製造業那另外一種就是科技需求端的產業就是我們AI要應用到百工百業所有的\n\n17\n00:05:48,769 --> 00:06:09,039\n本集的意思就是說我們去研發這個機器人提供給我們這樣的產業來使用的時候要是符合他們需求的方向要符合需求這是最重要沒有錯那國科會這邊也預計在國研院下面要設置機器人研究中心將以研究人工智慧為主那麼機器人本體的部分是由工研院來進行研發嗎\n\n18\n00:06:11,035 --> 00:06:35,631\n工研院跟國研院都會研發國研院就是要連結學界工研院就是要連結產業界那機器人研究中心的設置的規劃是怎麼樣規劃設置研究中心的設置我們會利用工研院在南部的院區南分院它就是在台南的六甲在烏山頭水庫旁邊它有既有的基地所以我們就不必再花\n\n19\n00:06:36,491 --> 00:06:41,033\n是本來就有個基地在那個地方建立這個研究的團隊跟產業界一起設計未來的產品然後製造基地經濟部也下來協助經濟部現在正在規劃一個智慧機器人的產業園區\n\n20\n00:06:53,860 --> 00:07:11,510\n主任因為最近就是人力荒啦各個產業尤其像醫護最近也爆很多出走潮那在本席的選區有很多傳統產業不同類型的工業也都有人力荒那國客會這次機器人的研發雖然你們是以智慧醫療及旅宿餐飲為主\n\n21\n00:07:12,751 --> 00:07:17,095\n也希望說陸續我們要針對工業這方面來研發機器人希望說國會會跟經濟部這邊要多於產業溝通因為傳產其實這個人力缺一直讓這個產業都非常煩惱很緊張那如果說我們可以盡快的跟產業來了解那我們研發可以舒緩這相關人力缺工壓力的這樣子的機器人這也是產業的福音\n\n22\n00:07:36,092 --> 00:08:02,670\n所以也希望說我們說兩年之內我們這個機器人就會進入市場來應用這個希望可以很快有好消息而且得到好的回饋那我們來發展各種的機器人來協助產業好那接下來我要請教主委是說黃能勳先生來台演講的時候有提到說會跟國科會這邊合作AI基礎設施那想請教主委針對合作的內容到目前我們有沒有討論規劃出一個比較具體的範圍或是項目\n\n23\n00:08:07,312 --> 00:08:33,117\n我們還沒有具體的項目但範圍大致是了解範圍就是說輝達跟鴻海他們會合作建立非常大的資料中心超級電腦的算力這個算力的目的他們宣布的一個名詞叫做AIFactory就是AI的工廠它的工廠不是指的硬體製造它是要把AI各種各樣的應用的軟體要開發出來\n\n24\n00:08:36,258 --> 00:09:02,304\n讓各行各業都可以使用AI我們國科會跟他合作主要就是在將來可能會推動智慧程式各種各樣的應用結合學界力量跟產業界力量一起來開發來滿足未來應用的需求這個需求也會搭配剛剛提到的我們機器人的產業因為將來要有硬體還要有AI就是我們要發展\n\n25\n00:09:04,404 --> 00:09:28,974\n機器要使用的智慧就是大腦相關的東西會包含晶片也包含軟體也包含控制的部分就是小腦的部分這個在中部特別強的就是控制的部分然後在北部特別強的就是晶片的產業跟南部系統的設計整合會結合在一起所以我們整個台灣都會一起來發展相關的產業\n\n26\n00:09:31,135 --> 00:09:50,123\n好那另外針對黃榮勳先生他有發表說對AI機器人的想法跟展望其實我們隔空會這邊也發表了智慧機器人的計畫那科學園區也新增了3000公頃的這個園區用地那這個部分我們是要為了佈局配合機器人計畫還是要用於跟輝達合作的這個AI基礎設施\n\n27\n00:09:51,263 --> 00:10:11,777\n其實兩個都會有需要因為兩個都會用到非常先進的半導體那這個半導體現在我們最強的就是台灣的先進製程製造的半導體產業它是台積電帶頭整個供應鏈我們在這個供應鏈國產自由的比例也越來越重所以我們現在對未來產業的需求對於我們國家的經濟的發展\n\n28\n00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:40,377\n我們國家安全的保障等等都非常重要那我們希望說把未來這個到2050年這個產業發展的這個需求先把它規劃起來先期規劃的好處是說我可以有足夠的時間把我們的生態保育把我們的社區文化的這個維持都能夠在我們在未來科學研究的發展當中同時都把它納進來讓民眾可以減低民眾的疑慮因為\n\n29\n00:10:46,822 --> 00:11:01,395\n園區的開發是要讓大家生活更好所以不是只有工廠經濟面而已而是要把文化的保持生態的保持做得更好這種新型態的園區開發我們就用大範圍但是低密度的這種開發\n\n30\n00:11:03,538 --> 00:11:06,161\n來發展未來的新的園區謝謝主委你們這邊是考慮到很周詳喔那另外我要請教說因為現在在教育界我們昨天教育我們也討論了這個問題就是關於川普政府暫停學生簽證的這個面試\n\n31\n00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:34,158\n那麼如果未來川普政府他這種美國製造的思維主要您覺得說未來美國政府會不會禁止美國人才外出就是說如果以後美國相關高科技人才將也留在美國為主您覺得說對台灣或是對國際間會不會造成怎樣的影響\n\n32\n00:11:38,415 --> 00:12:00,530\n我相信美國政府可能有時候有一些個案我沒有辦法評論但是整體來講美國是一個非常創新的國家我相信這種個案其實不會是全面性的會發生美國從它的歷史上看起來也是非常\n\n33\n00:12:01,371 --> 00:12:14,600\n非常仰賴他的移民各個年代的移民對美國的創新跟他的經濟發展有非常大的貢獻主委您的意思是說應該不至於發生這樣的狀況但是其實本席要強調就是說其實我們國際相關的科技產業的局勢其實變化萬千\n\n34\n00:12:20,383 --> 00:12:43,889\n有时候一个想法一句话一个决定可能就会马上会颠覆我们原来合作的相关的模式那我希望说国会会你们作为主要支持我们基础科研的这个部会以及我们是引领整个科技发展的这个方针的领头羊我们对随时对着注意这个国际上局势的变化我们必须可以随时做出反应我们守护科技也要守护人才\n\n35\n00:12:44,810 --> 00:12:59,947\n謝謝委員提醒對於我們自己在海外的留學生我們也都有機制也會來協助他們協助他們要轉還是要回來有好的機會讓他們發展這個我們都會注意好謝謝主委謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寶委員質詢觀眾請回座我們接下來休息五分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6676\t7077\t請廣告吳主委有請吳主委 配質詢 謝謝\n19933\t48430\t陳委員好主委好主委從去年五月TED發表之後本席就持續在關心關於TED相關的議題包括資料庫的更新以及後續的推廣等等那去年的七月呢國客會跟中研院為了持續投入旗艦級TED研發像輝達的AI超級電腦申請的這個算力的應用那想請教主委旗艦級TED跟之前發表的TED有什麼不一樣\n50486\t78664\t過去我們TIDE在國會內部我們找這個學界專家來協助發展它是一個示範性的作用也是少量的經費但是我接著以後我就決定要把它擴散擴散就是我們要更多的研究人力進來那現在包含學界已經在增案了跟更多的學術研究的專家所以是延續之前的TIDE但是是規模內容更多\n79124\t105230\t更進步更進步那中央研究院其實最近也有蠻好的這個進展他們將來會公佈他們研究的成果那我們也希望說藉由國科會的產學合作也希望產業界也投入投入相關的這個研究所以將來一定會發展得更順利那國防中心會建立一個平台這個平台會讓新的我們研究的成果除了TED之外還有其他的模型陸續會掛上來\n106570\t131228\t是 在外國許多AI都會推出APP讓民眾方便使用那在高使用率的這個情況之下可以即時的搜尋網頁做即時的回應其實很多使用者他會習慣使用他使用的很順手他也會建立他的使用的慣用的模式那後續對我們TED在推廣上就會有一點難度因為他已經習慣使用這樣子的一個APP\n132589\t151322\t國客會這邊有沒有計畫就是說我們要提供我們的Tide的內容有更具台灣文化的這些相關的資料將Tide打造成適合台灣人使用的這個AI工具報告委員 委員的建議非常好我其實正在提醒我們的國網中心因為現在Tide的這個應用\n152583\t170984\t平台在觀光中心建立那我也希望觀光中心也發展出讓民眾都可以使用到的Tide的這個應用這個我們觀光中心努力一定在年底之前我要求它一定要完成都可以使用到主要是要說它是好用是順手的所以我會希望說我們建制\n172125\t190698\t泰德的時候我們要結合更多的台灣的文化特色例如我們台灣的慣用語我們的台語更多台灣的元素甚至我們的風俗習慣讓民眾在使用的時候覺得說這是符合我們使用的而不是我們去遷就他其他使用的這些軟體而且這是軟體是適用於我們我們國安中心張主任你要不要保證一定要好用\n199711\t215352\t保證我們會把用台灣的元素再放在這些語言模型裡面讓大家覺得好用然後也是有台灣味謝謝您的保證因為其實AI軟體是越用越好用因為越多人使用它才會是順手的是那我們資料就會更多\n215632\t234152\t我們越多民眾來下載更多產業來運用它的時候我們TiDE的效益會更大更高所以感謝您的保證我也希望說盡量我們加更多的元素就是台灣人的習慣的就是會運用到的這些元素進去的話我們民眾會喜歡的去使用它習慣的去使用它\n235794\t238715\t謝謝陳委員接下來我想請教主委我們國會會這邊有宣布說為了補足人力的缺口會投入智慧型機器人的研發包括像人型、四角型、四膀型等等而且首先會以智慧醫療及餐飲、旅宿業的應用為主計畫兩年之內就會有產品可以進入市場來應用\n259281\t266117\t我想請教主委目前有計畫優先研發哪一種類型的機器人可以最快的投入市場\n267295\t288006\t好 我們現在臺灣面臨最嚴重的人力短缺的部分可能是在健康照護的產業 旅宿餐飲的產業這些產業的需求 就是民眾的需求會造成我們自己在製造端 在系統設計供應端這邊的產業投入的意願\n292668\t315496\t我們如果沒有借助我們自己產業的實力的話我們要自己發展我們的應用的產業是很困難的所以我的策略就是要針對現在台灣最嚴重的我們人力缺乏民眾需求最高的這個產業會先發展所以大概現在設定的目標在健康紮戶以及旅宿餐飲這個會先做那至於其他的學術研究部分是我們完全開放\n315936\t331533\t在这两个方面我们关于智慧医疗及旅宿餐饮业我们去设计一个怎样形态的机器人来服务型都是服务型会跟人接触的那么我们也有跟产业来沟通吗我们是贴近他们的需求的吗\n331633\t348489\t有 我們在規劃過程當中就是陸續跟學界跟產業界特別是產業界有兩種一種就是科技的供應端的產業那是台灣最強的我們的製造業那另外一種就是科技需求端的產業就是我們AI要應用到百工百業所有的\n348769\t369039\t本集的意思就是說我們去研發這個機器人提供給我們這樣的產業來使用的時候要是符合他們需求的方向要符合需求這是最重要沒有錯那國科會這邊也預計在國研院下面要設置機器人研究中心將以研究人工智慧為主那麼機器人本體的部分是由工研院來進行研發嗎\n371035\t395631\t工研院跟國研院都會研發 國研院就是要連結學界 工研院就是要連結產業界那機器人研究中心的設置的規劃是怎麼樣規劃 設置 研究中心的設置我們會利用工研院在南部的院區 南分院它就是在台南的六甲 在烏山頭水庫旁邊它有既有的基地 所以我們就不必再花\n396491\t401033\t是本來就有個基地在那個地方建立這個研究的團隊跟產業界一起設計未來的產品然後製造基地經濟部也下來協助經濟部現在正在規劃一個智慧機器人的產業園區\n413860\t431510\t主任因為最近就是人力荒啦各個產業尤其像醫護最近也爆很多出走潮那在本席的選區有很多傳統產業不同類型的工業也都有人力荒那國客會這次機器人的研發雖然你們是以智慧醫療及旅宿餐飲為主\n432751\t437095\t也希望說陸續我們要針對工業這方面來研發機器人希望說國會會跟經濟部這邊要多於產業溝通因為傳產其實這個人力缺一直讓這個產業都非常煩惱很緊張那如果說我們可以盡快的跟產業來了解那我們研發可以舒緩這相關人力缺工壓力的這樣子的機器人這也是產業的福音\n456092\t482670\t所以也希望說我們說兩年之內我們這個機器人就會進入市場來應用這個希望可以很快有好消息而且得到好的回饋那我們來發展各種的機器人來協助產業好那接下來我要請教主委是說黃能勳先生來台演講的時候有提到說會跟國科會這邊合作AI基礎設施那想請教主委針對合作的內容到目前我們有沒有討論規劃出一個比較具體的範圍或是項目\n487312\t513117\t我們還沒有具體的項目但範圍大致是了解範圍就是說輝達跟鴻海他們會合作建立非常大的資料中心超級電腦的算力這個算力的目的他們宣布的一個名詞叫做AI Factory就是AI的工廠它的工廠不是指的硬體製造它是要把AI各種各樣的應用的軟體要開發出來\n516258\t542304\t讓各行各業都可以使用AI我們國科會跟他合作主要就是在將來可能會推動智慧程式各種各樣的應用結合學界力量跟產業界力量一起來開發來滿足未來應用的需求這個需求也會搭配剛剛提到的我們機器人的產業因為將來要有硬體還要有AI就是我們要發展\n544404\t568974\t機器要使用的智慧就是大腦相關的東西會包含晶片也包含軟體也包含控制的部分就是小腦的部分這個在中部特別強的就是控制的部分然後在北部特別強的就是晶片的產業跟南部系統的設計整合會結合在一起所以我們整個台灣都會一起來發展相關的產業\n571135\t590123\t好那另外針對黃榮勳先生他有發表說對AI機器人的想法跟展望其實我們隔空會這邊也發表了智慧機器人的計畫那科學園區也新增了3000公頃的這個園區用地那這個部分我們是要為了佈局配合機器人計畫還是要用於跟輝達合作的這個AI基礎設施\n591263\t611777\t其實兩個都會有需要因為兩個都會用到非常先進的半導體那這個半導體現在我們最強的就是台灣的先進製程製造的半導體產業它是台積電帶頭整個供應鏈我們在這個供應鏈國產自由的比例也越來越重所以我們現在對未來產業的需求對於我們國家的經濟的發展\n617040\t640377\t我們國家安全的保障等等都非常重要那我們希望說把未來這個到2050年這個產業發展的這個需求先把它規劃起來先期規劃的好處是說我可以有足夠的時間把我們的生態保育把我們的社區文化的這個維持都能夠在我們在未來科學研究的發展當中同時都把它納進來讓民眾可以減低民眾的疑慮因為\n646822\t661395\t園區的開發是要讓大家生活更好所以不是只有工廠經濟面而已而是要把文化的保持生態的保持做得更好這種新型態的園區開發我們就用大範圍但是低密度的這種開發\n663538\t666161\t來發展未來的新的園區謝謝主委你們這邊是考慮到很周詳喔那另外我要請教說因為現在在教育界我們昨天教育我們也討論了這個問題就是關於川普政府暫停學生簽證的這個面試\n680200\t694158\t那麼如果未來川普政府他這種美國製造的思維主要您覺得說未來美國政府會不會禁止美國人才外出就是說如果以後美國相關高科技人才將也留在美國為主您覺得說對台灣或是對國際間會不會造成怎樣的影響\n698415\t720530\t我相信美國政府可能有時候有一些個案我沒有辦法評論但是整體來講美國是一個非常創新的國家我相信這種個案其實不會是全面性的會發生美國從它的歷史上看起來也是非常\n721371\t734600\t非常仰賴他的移民各個年代的移民對美國的創新跟他的經濟發展有非常大的貢獻主委您的意思是說應該不至於發生這樣的狀況但是其實本席要強調就是說其實我們國際相關的科技產業的局勢其實變化萬千\n740383\t763889\t有时候一个想法一句话一个决定可能就会马上会颠覆我们原来合作的相关的模式那我希望说国会会你们作为主要支持我们基础科研的这个部会以及我们是引领整个科技发展的这个方针的领头羊我们对随时对着注意这个国际上局势的变化我们必须可以随时做出反应我们守护科技也要守护人才\n764810\t779947\t謝謝委員提醒對於我們自己在海外的留學生我們也都有機制也會來協助他們協助他們要轉還是要回來有好的機會讓他們發展這個我們都會注意好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寶委員質詢 觀眾請回座我們接下來休息五分鐘\n","txt":"請廣告吳主委有請吳主委 配質詢 謝謝\n陳委員好主委好主委從去年五月TED發表之後本席就持續在關心關於TED相關的議題包括資料庫的更新以及後續的推廣等等那去年的七月呢國客會跟中研院為了持續投入旗艦級TED研發像輝達的AI超級電腦申請的這個算力的應用那想請教主委旗艦級TED跟之前發表的TED有什麼不一樣\n過去我們TIDE在國會內部我們找這個學界專家來協助發展它是一個示範性的作用也是少量的經費但是我接著以後我就決定要把它擴散擴散就是我們要更多的研究人力進來那現在包含學界已經在增案了跟更多的學術研究的專家所以是延續之前的TIDE但是是規模內容更多\n更進步更進步那中央研究院其實最近也有蠻好的這個進展他們將來會公佈他們研究的成果那我們也希望說藉由國科會的產學合作也希望產業界也投入投入相關的這個研究所以將來一定會發展得更順利那國防中心會建立一個平台這個平台會讓新的我們研究的成果除了TED之外還有其他的模型陸續會掛上來\n是 在外國許多AI都會推出APP讓民眾方便使用那在高使用率的這個情況之下可以即時的搜尋網頁做即時的回應其實很多使用者他會習慣使用他使用的很順手他也會建立他的使用的慣用的模式那後續對我們TED在推廣上就會有一點難度因為他已經習慣使用這樣子的一個APP\n國客會這邊有沒有計畫就是說我們要提供我們的Tide的內容有更具台灣文化的這些相關的資料將Tide打造成適合台灣人使用的這個AI工具報告委員 委員的建議非常好我其實正在提醒我們的國網中心因為現在Tide的這個應用\n平台在觀光中心建立那我也希望觀光中心也發展出讓民眾都可以使用到的Tide的這個應用這個我們觀光中心努力一定在年底之前我要求它一定要完成都可以使用到主要是要說它是好用是順手的所以我會希望說我們建制\n泰德的時候我們要結合更多的台灣的文化特色例如我們台灣的慣用語我們的台語更多台灣的元素甚至我們的風俗習慣讓民眾在使用的時候覺得說這是符合我們使用的而不是我們去遷就他其他使用的這些軟體而且這是軟體是適用於我們我們國安中心張主任你要不要保證一定要好用\n保證我們會把用台灣的元素再放在這些語言模型裡面讓大家覺得好用然後也是有台灣味謝謝您的保證因為其實AI軟體是越用越好用因為越多人使用它才會是順手的是那我們資料就會更多\n我們越多民眾來下載更多產業來運用它的時候我們TiDE的效益會更大更高所以感謝您的保證我也希望說盡量我們加更多的元素就是台灣人的習慣的就是會運用到的這些元素進去的話我們民眾會喜歡的去使用它習慣的去使用它\n謝謝陳委員接下來我想請教主委我們國會會這邊有宣布說為了補足人力的缺口會投入智慧型機器人的研發包括像人型、四角型、四膀型等等而且首先會以智慧醫療及餐飲、旅宿業的應用為主計畫兩年之內就會有產品可以進入市場來應用\n我想請教主委目前有計畫優先研發哪一種類型的機器人可以最快的投入市場\n好 我們現在臺灣面臨最嚴重的人力短缺的部分可能是在健康照護的產業 旅宿餐飲的產業這些產業的需求 就是民眾的需求會造成我們自己在製造端 在系統設計供應端這邊的產業投入的意願\n我們如果沒有借助我們自己產業的實力的話我們要自己發展我們的應用的產業是很困難的所以我的策略就是要針對現在台灣最嚴重的我們人力缺乏民眾需求最高的這個產業會先發展所以大概現在設定的目標在健康紮戶以及旅宿餐飲這個會先做那至於其他的學術研究部分是我們完全開放\n在这两个方面我们关于智慧医疗及旅宿餐饮业我们去设计一个怎样形态的机器人来服务型都是服务型会跟人接触的那么我们也有跟产业来沟通吗我们是贴近他们的需求的吗\n有 我們在規劃過程當中就是陸續跟學界跟產業界特別是產業界有兩種一種就是科技的供應端的產業那是台灣最強的我們的製造業那另外一種就是科技需求端的產業就是我們AI要應用到百工百業所有的\n本集的意思就是說我們去研發這個機器人提供給我們這樣的產業來使用的時候要是符合他們需求的方向要符合需求這是最重要沒有錯那國科會這邊也預計在國研院下面要設置機器人研究中心將以研究人工智慧為主那麼機器人本體的部分是由工研院來進行研發嗎\n工研院跟國研院都會研發 國研院就是要連結學界 工研院就是要連結產業界那機器人研究中心的設置的規劃是怎麼樣規劃 設置 研究中心的設置我們會利用工研院在南部的院區 南分院它就是在台南的六甲 在烏山頭水庫旁邊它有既有的基地 所以我們就不必再花\n是本來就有個基地在那個地方建立這個研究的團隊跟產業界一起設計未來的產品然後製造基地經濟部也下來協助經濟部現在正在規劃一個智慧機器人的產業園區\n主任因為最近就是人力荒啦各個產業尤其像醫護最近也爆很多出走潮那在本席的選區有很多傳統產業不同類型的工業也都有人力荒那國客會這次機器人的研發雖然你們是以智慧醫療及旅宿餐飲為主\n也希望說陸續我們要針對工業這方面來研發機器人希望說國會會跟經濟部這邊要多於產業溝通因為傳產其實這個人力缺一直讓這個產業都非常煩惱很緊張那如果說我們可以盡快的跟產業來了解那我們研發可以舒緩這相關人力缺工壓力的這樣子的機器人這也是產業的福音\n所以也希望說我們說兩年之內我們這個機器人就會進入市場來應用這個希望可以很快有好消息而且得到好的回饋那我們來發展各種的機器人來協助產業好那接下來我要請教主委是說黃能勳先生來台演講的時候有提到說會跟國科會這邊合作AI基礎設施那想請教主委針對合作的內容到目前我們有沒有討論規劃出一個比較具體的範圍或是項目\n我們還沒有具體的項目但範圍大致是了解範圍就是說輝達跟鴻海他們會合作建立非常大的資料中心超級電腦的算力這個算力的目的他們宣布的一個名詞叫做AI Factory就是AI的工廠它的工廠不是指的硬體製造它是要把AI各種各樣的應用的軟體要開發出來\n讓各行各業都可以使用AI我們國科會跟他合作主要就是在將來可能會推動智慧程式各種各樣的應用結合學界力量跟產業界力量一起來開發來滿足未來應用的需求這個需求也會搭配剛剛提到的我們機器人的產業因為將來要有硬體還要有AI就是我們要發展\n機器要使用的智慧就是大腦相關的東西會包含晶片也包含軟體也包含控制的部分就是小腦的部分這個在中部特別強的就是控制的部分然後在北部特別強的就是晶片的產業跟南部系統的設計整合會結合在一起所以我們整個台灣都會一起來發展相關的產業\n好那另外針對黃榮勳先生他有發表說對AI機器人的想法跟展望其實我們隔空會這邊也發表了智慧機器人的計畫那科學園區也新增了3000公頃的這個園區用地那這個部分我們是要為了佈局配合機器人計畫還是要用於跟輝達合作的這個AI基礎設施\n其實兩個都會有需要因為兩個都會用到非常先進的半導體那這個半導體現在我們最強的就是台灣的先進製程製造的半導體產業它是台積電帶頭整個供應鏈我們在這個供應鏈國產自由的比例也越來越重所以我們現在對未來產業的需求對於我們國家的經濟的發展\n我們國家安全的保障等等都非常重要那我們希望說把未來這個到2050年這個產業發展的這個需求先把它規劃起來先期規劃的好處是說我可以有足夠的時間把我們的生態保育把我們的社區文化的這個維持都能夠在我們在未來科學研究的發展當中同時都把它納進來讓民眾可以減低民眾的疑慮因為\n園區的開發是要讓大家生活更好所以不是只有工廠經濟面而已而是要把文化的保持生態的保持做得更好這種新型態的園區開發我們就用大範圍但是低密度的這種開發\n來發展未來的新的園區謝謝主委你們這邊是考慮到很周詳喔那另外我要請教說因為現在在教育界我們昨天教育我們也討論了這個問題就是關於川普政府暫停學生簽證的這個面試\n那麼如果未來川普政府他這種美國製造的思維主要您覺得說未來美國政府會不會禁止美國人才外出就是說如果以後美國相關高科技人才將也留在美國為主您覺得說對台灣或是對國際間會不會造成怎樣的影響\n我相信美國政府可能有時候有一些個案我沒有辦法評論但是整體來講美國是一個非常創新的國家我相信這種個案其實不會是全面性的會發生美國從它的歷史上看起來也是非常\n非常仰賴他的移民各個年代的移民對美國的創新跟他的經濟發展有非常大的貢獻主委您的意思是說應該不至於發生這樣的狀況但是其實本席要強調就是說其實我們國際相關的科技產業的局勢其實變化萬千\n有时候一个想法一句话一个决定可能就会马上会颠覆我们原来合作的相关的模式那我希望说国会会你们作为主要支持我们基础科研的这个部会以及我们是引领整个科技发展的这个方针的领头羊我们对随时对着注意这个国际上局势的变化我们必须可以随时做出反应我们守护科技也要守护人才\n謝謝委員提醒對於我們自己在海外的留學生我們也都有機制也會來協助他們協助他們要轉還是要回來有好的機會讓他們發展這個我們都會注意好 謝謝主委 謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寶委員質詢 觀眾請回座我們接下來休息五分鐘\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.676 --> 00:07.077\n請廣告吳主委有請吳主委配質詢謝謝\n\n00:19.933 --> 00:48.430\n陳委員好主委好主委從去年五月TED發表之後本席就持續在關心關於TED相關的議題包括資料庫的更新以及後續的推廣等等那去年的七月呢國客會跟中研院為了持續投入旗艦級TED研發像輝達的AI超級電腦申請的這個算力的應用那想請教主委旗艦級TED跟之前發表的TED有什麼不一樣\n\n00:50.486 --> 01:18.664\n過去我們TIDE在國會內部我們找這個學界專家來協助發展它是一個示範性的作用也是少量的經費但是我接著以後我就決定要把它擴散擴散就是我們要更多的研究人力進來那現在包含學界已經在增案了跟更多的學術研究的專家所以是延續之前的TIDE但是是規模內容更多\n\n01:19.124 --> 01:45.230\n更進步更進步那中央研究院其實最近也有蠻好的這個進展他們將來會公佈他們研究的成果那我們也希望說藉由國科會的產學合作也希望產業界也投入投入相關的這個研究所以將來一定會發展得更順利那國防中心會建立一個平台這個平台會讓新的我們研究的成果除了TED之外還有其他的模型陸續會掛上來\n\n01:46.570 --> 02:11.228\n是在外國許多AI都會推出APP讓民眾方便使用那在高使用率的這個情況之下可以即時的搜尋網頁做即時的回應其實很多使用者他會習慣使用他使用的很順手他也會建立他的使用的慣用的模式那後續對我們TED在推廣上就會有一點難度因為他已經習慣使用這樣子的一個APP\n\n02:12.589 --> 02:31.322\n國客會這邊有沒有計畫就是說我們要提供我們的Tide的內容有更具台灣文化的這些相關的資料將Tide打造成適合台灣人使用的這個AI工具報告委員委員的建議非常好我其實正在提醒我們的國網中心因為現在Tide的這個應用\n\n02:32.583 --> 02:50.984\n平台在觀光中心建立那我也希望觀光中心也發展出讓民眾都可以使用到的Tide的這個應用這個我們觀光中心努力一定在年底之前我要求它一定要完成都可以使用到主要是要說它是好用是順手的所以我會希望說我們建制\n\n02:52.125 --> 03:10.698\n泰德的時候我們要結合更多的台灣的文化特色例如我們台灣的慣用語我們的台語更多台灣的元素甚至我們的風俗習慣讓民眾在使用的時候覺得說這是符合我們使用的而不是我們去遷就他其他使用的這些軟體而且這是軟體是適用於我們我們國安中心張主任你要不要保證一定要好用\n\n03:19.711 --> 03:35.352\n保證我們會把用台灣的元素再放在這些語言模型裡面讓大家覺得好用然後也是有台灣味謝謝您的保證因為其實AI軟體是越用越好用因為越多人使用它才會是順手的是那我們資料就會更多\n\n03:35.632 --> 03:54.152\n我們越多民眾來下載更多產業來運用它的時候我們TiDE的效益會更大更高所以感謝您的保證我也希望說盡量我們加更多的元素就是台灣人的習慣的就是會運用到的這些元素進去的話我們民眾會喜歡的去使用它習慣的去使用它\n\n03:55.794 --> 03:58.715\n謝謝陳委員接下來我想請教主委我們國會會這邊有宣布說為了補足人力的缺口會投入智慧型機器人的研發包括像人型、四角型、四膀型等等而且首先會以智慧醫療及餐飲、旅宿業的應用為主計畫兩年之內就會有產品可以進入市場來應用\n\n04:19.281 --> 04:26.117\n我想請教主委目前有計畫優先研發哪一種類型的機器人可以最快的投入市場\n\n04:27.295 --> 04:48.006\n好我們現在臺灣面臨最嚴重的人力短缺的部分可能是在健康照護的產業旅宿餐飲的產業這些產業的需求就是民眾的需求會造成我們自己在製造端在系統設計供應端這邊的產業投入的意願\n\n04:52.668 --> 05:15.496\n我們如果沒有借助我們自己產業的實力的話我們要自己發展我們的應用的產業是很困難的所以我的策略就是要針對現在台灣最嚴重的我們人力缺乏民眾需求最高的這個產業會先發展所以大概現在設定的目標在健康紮戶以及旅宿餐飲這個會先做那至於其他的學術研究部分是我們完全開放\n\n05:15.936 --> 05:31.533\n在这两个方面我们关于智慧医疗及旅宿餐饮业我们去设计一个怎样形态的机器人来服务型都是服务型会跟人接触的那么我们也有跟产业来沟通吗我们是贴近他们的需求的吗\n\n05:31.633 --> 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08:33.117\n我們還沒有具體的項目但範圍大致是了解範圍就是說輝達跟鴻海他們會合作建立非常大的資料中心超級電腦的算力這個算力的目的他們宣布的一個名詞叫做AIFactory就是AI的工廠它的工廠不是指的硬體製造它是要把AI各種各樣的應用的軟體要開發出來\n\n08:36.258 --> 09:02.304\n讓各行各業都可以使用AI我們國科會跟他合作主要就是在將來可能會推動智慧程式各種各樣的應用結合學界力量跟產業界力量一起來開發來滿足未來應用的需求這個需求也會搭配剛剛提到的我們機器人的產業因為將來要有硬體還要有AI就是我們要發展\n\n09:04.404 --> 09:28.974\n機器要使用的智慧就是大腦相關的東西會包含晶片也包含軟體也包含控制的部分就是小腦的部分這個在中部特別強的就是控制的部分然後在北部特別強的就是晶片的產業跟南部系統的設計整合會結合在一起所以我們整個台灣都會一起來發展相關的產業\n\n09:31.135 --> 09:50.123\n好那另外針對黃榮勳先生他有發表說對AI機器人的想法跟展望其實我們隔空會這邊也發表了智慧機器人的計畫那科學園區也新增了3000公頃的這個園區用地那這個部分我們是要為了佈局配合機器人計畫還是要用於跟輝達合作的這個AI基礎設施\n\n09:51.263 --> 10:11.777\n其實兩個都會有需要因為兩個都會用到非常先進的半導體那這個半導體現在我們最強的就是台灣的先進製程製造的半導體產業它是台積電帶頭整個供應鏈我們在這個供應鏈國產自由的比例也越來越重所以我們現在對未來產業的需求對於我們國家的經濟的發展\n\n10:17.040 --> 10:40.377\n我們國家安全的保障等等都非常重要那我們希望說把未來這個到2050年這個產業發展的這個需求先把它規劃起來先期規劃的好處是說我可以有足夠的時間把我們的生態保育把我們的社區文化的這個維持都能夠在我們在未來科學研究的發展當中同時都把它納進來讓民眾可以減低民眾的疑慮因為\n\n10:46.822 --> 11:01.395\n園區的開發是要讓大家生活更好所以不是只有工廠經濟面而已而是要把文化的保持生態的保持做得更好這種新型態的園區開發我們就用大範圍但是低密度的這種開發\n\n11:03.538 --> 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謝謝主委 謝謝主席謝謝陳秀寶委員質詢 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Factory」，就是AI的工廠，它這工廠不是指硬體製造，它是要把AI各種各樣應用的軟體要開發出來，讓各行各業都可以使用這個AI。","國科會跟他們合作主要是將來可能會推動智慧城市，各種各樣的應用，也結合學界力量跟產業界力量一起開發，來滿足未來應用的需求，這個需求也會搭配剛剛提到的機器人產業，因為將來要有硬體，還要有AI，就是我們要發展機器要使用的智慧，也就是大腦，這些相關的東西包含晶片、軟體；也包含控制的部分，就是小腦的部分；在中部特別特別強的就是控制的部分，在北部特別強就是晶片產業，跟南部的系統設計整合會結合在一起，所以我們整個臺灣都會一起發展相關產業。"],["陳委員秀寳：好。另外針對黃仁勳先生有發表對AI機器人的想法跟展望，其實國科會也發表了智慧機器人的計畫，科學園區也新增3,000公頃園區用地，這個部分是要為了布局配合機器人計畫，還是要用於跟輝達合作的AI基礎設施？"],["吳主任委員誠文：其實這兩個都有需要。"],["陳委員秀寳：都有。"],["吳主任委員誠文：因為這兩個都會用到半導體，非常先進的半導體，針對這個半導體，現在我們最強的就是臺灣的先進製程製造的半導體產業，它是台積電帶領整個供應鏈，在這個供應鏈裡，我們國產自有的比例也越來越重，所以我們現在對於未來產業的需求、對於我們國家經濟的發展及國家安全的保障等等都非常重要，我們希望把未來到2050年產業發展的需求先規劃起來，先期規劃的好處是我們可以有足夠的時間把我們的生態保育、把我們的社區文化的維持，都能夠在未來科學園區的發展當中……"],["陳委員秀寳：就是事先規劃了。"],["吳主任委員誠文：同時都把它納進來，可以減低民眾的疑慮。因為園區的開發是要讓大家生活更好，所以不是只有經濟面而已，而是要把文化的保持、生態的維持可以做得更好，這種新型態的園區開發，我們就用大範圍，但是低密度的開發模式，來發展未來的新的園區，希望民眾能夠了解。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝主委，你們這邊考慮得很周詳。另外我要請教的是，因為現在在教育界，我們昨天也討論到這個問題，就是關於川普政府暫停學生簽證的面試，如果未來川普政府這種美國製造的思維，主委覺得未來美國政府會不會禁止美國人才外出？就是以後美國相關高科技人才將以留在美國為主，您覺得對臺灣或是對國際間會不會造成怎樣的影響？"],["吳主任委員誠文：我相信美國政府可能……有時候有一些個案，我沒有辦法評論，但是整體來講，美國是一個非常創新的國家，我相信這種個案其實不會是全面性的會發生。從美國的歷史上看起來，也是非常仰賴移民，各個年代的移民對美國的創新跟經濟發展都有非常大的貢獻。"],["陳委員秀寳：主委，您的意思是應該不至於發生這樣的狀況。"],["吳主任委員誠文：應該不至於發生。"],["陳委員秀寳：本席要強調的是國際科技相關產業的局勢變化萬千，有時候一個想法、一句話、一個決定可能就會馬上顛覆我們原來合作相關的模式，我希望國科會作為主要支持基礎科研的部會，以及你們是引領整個科技發展方針的領頭羊，你們要隨時注意國際局勢的變化，必須可以隨時做出反應，我們要守護科技也要守護人才。"],["吳主任委員誠文：好，謝謝委員提醒。對於我們自己在海外的留學生，我們都有機制，也會來協助他們，他們要轉學還是要回來，有好的機會可以讓他們發展，這個部分我們都會注意，謝謝委員。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝主委、謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝陳秀寳委員質詢，官員請回座。","接下來休息5分鐘，謝謝。","休息（10時49分）","繼續開會（10時54分）"],["主席：謝謝，我們繼續開會。","接下來我們有請張雅琳委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":70,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-14","speakers":["葛如鈞","柯志恩","吳沛憶","萬美玲","劉書彬","羅廷瑋","陳秀寳","張雅琳","郭昱晴","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","林宜瑾","葉元之","范雲","黃國昌","謝龍介"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-05-29"],"gazette_id":"1145601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1145601_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"處理114年度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管預算解凍案22案","agenda_id":"1145601_00001"}}}