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00:01:44,841\n那這種如果已經被解職了是不是應該要繳還薪資那甚至是如果中港澳的人士如果入籍台灣之後他想要參選台灣的公職甚至是參選台灣的立委的話應該要附上他的放棄國籍的證明才行我認為這個都是基本的程序啊其他的外籍人士來台灣參選公職都是照這樣的程序中國籍更應該要這樣做啊結果被擋掉了被擋掉了\n\n5\n00:01:48,644 --> 00:01:51,087\n那甚至說這個吳斯懷條款就更不用說了我提的是什麼應該要加大範圍包括說如果你退休的少將退休的上將要帶一堆退休的這種少將上將去中國可不可以當然是不行嘛因為這樣就看起來有包括什麼海軍的退役少將\n\n6\n00:02:08,144 --> 00:02:13,588\n還有前立委羅志明等等涉嫌引介高達48位退將赴中然後替中共來行這個收集情收還有行統戰之實這個都是目前都還在調查當中嘛那還有包括說這個退役的上將夏迎周到中國之後在中國的論壇說今後不要分國軍共軍我們都是中國軍\n\n7\n00:02:31,580 --> 00:02:58,068\n後來他還接受環球時報的訪問說解放軍的戰機出現在台灣島的上空是在自己的國土上有權去巡邏這個都是台灣的退役的這些將領上將到少將在中國講的話難道這些不用去管嗎不用去規範嗎結果全部都被藍白在程序委員會擋掉了我真的覺得非常的遺憾\n\n8\n00:02:59,147 --> 00:03:06,067\n今天在這邊審這個兩岸條例如果大家都有共識覺得國安很重要的話就應該要把這些條例放進來啊\n\n9\n00:03:07,930 --> 00:03:21,874\n好那因為沒有我的版本所以我在這邊除了說呼籲把我自己的版本講給大家聽希望大家都能認同之外我再來問一下最近發生的事情喔前兩天被稱為習近平國師的這個復旦大學的教授張維為他說台灣的年輕人因為喜歡小紅書所以如果統一之後治理台灣會比香港容易\n\n10\n00:03:33,159 --> 00:03:34,745\n我不知道主委听到这句话对于像小红书这样子的社群平台有什么看法\n\n11\n00:03:39,660 --> 00:04:07,541\n我想這也是第一次中國大陸有學者把這類的中國大陸在台灣非常流行的這個APP跟統一把它掛勾在一起把它聯繫起來那如果是這樣的話這些包括抖音包括小紅書是不是也是在落實對台的這個統一也是為了統一在做準備那這樣的情況下\n\n12\n00:04:08,041 --> 00:04:29,377\n我想我們使用這些小紅書或者是抖音這些中國大陸這些非常著名的這些好用的軟體恐怕都要提高警覺至少我們也呼籲各級學校應該對於使用這類的APP應該要有一個試讀方面的提醒\n\n13\n00:04:31,058 --> 00:04:33,259\n教育的推廣知道使用這個會對有什麼樣的一種問題存在比如說包括對於你個資的影響容易個資被對岸利用之外他也在置入很多的統一的這些在你們的定義裡小紅書這樣子的社群平台是統戰工具嗎\n\n14\n00:04:55,512 --> 00:05:11,293\n我們一直有這個高度的懷疑啦但是我們也希望我們趕快有一個網路主管機關可以去調查去清理這些很多國人的疑問我們發現太多這個涉及\n\n15\n00:05:13,135 --> 00:05:29,498\n統一的聲音或者是武統的聲音還要毀棄我們中華民國主權地位的聲音甚至要毀損我們作為自由民主憲政國家的好多聲音都在這裡面\n\n16\n00:05:30,419 --> 00:05:47,024\n好謝謝主委主委講得比較保守啦其實很多的研究中都已經非常明確的定義類似像小紅書抖音這樣的平台對於中共來說很明顯就已經是一個統戰的利器了嘛是它就是一個統戰的工具了嘛甚至現在這個張維為也說了因為台灣的年輕人喜歡小紅書所以統一台灣之後比香港還容易治理耶\n\n17\n00:05:55,758 --> 00:06:04,164\n這件事情這樣子明確的講出來難道不用預防嗎這絕對要我們高度警惕沒錯所以我這邊希望陸委會針對這樣的社群平台上面都在流竄什麼訊息然後針對哪一些群體喜歡使用這樣的平台會不會受到這個資訊戰認知作戰的侵擾這個你們都應該要去加強的了解而不是在這邊說高度懷疑\n\n18\n00:06:22,577 --> 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