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00:01:14,341\n來以利於台灣佈局新系第三呢保證我們的通訊韌性那在其實相關多的發言裡面啊我都看到說組委裡面也很強調就是說資訊這個會對我們的智慧城市啊物聯網應用啊行動通訊產業扮演關鍵的小角色所以我們必須要持續的來投入哦\n\n5\n00:01:14,961 --> 00:01:24,374\n但我自己覺得這個看起來應該不是只有提升產業而已應該還涉及到了我們這個所謂的國安議題\n\n6\n00:01:26,913 --> 00:01:46,746\n那我想請教一下我們現在在跟Kyper談的時候我們有沒有掌握我們平時跟戰時或是災難時的一個通訊容量的需求呢這樣子我們才能夠去確保說當我們遇到重大的災難或是戰爭斷網的時候我們需要多少的頻寬才能維持我們一個救災啦或是一些關鍵基礎設施的通訊我們有沒有掌握\n\n7\n00:01:47,846 --> 00:02:15,456\n報告委員我們現在跟開普在談的公開的這些合作其實並沒有牽涉到比較敏感的那個國安需求我們在國安需求的部分目前是總統府國安會有規劃當中那我們太空中心也在協助那將來開普會不會是其中的一部分現在還不確定但是我們要談的主要是針對產業發展這是我們在公開的太空計畫\n\n8\n00:02:16,816 --> 00:02:38,358\n修正案裡面我們是在去年10月的SRB就是邀請產業界進來就做這個事所以目前國科會負責就是在產業端的部分對嗎好那沒關係那我繼續請教一下就是說我想就是說我們我也看到就是在這個新聞裡面主委也有提到說我們要自主研發B5G衛星嘛才2加4的策略由中空太空中心研發2顆民間研發4顆\n\n9\n00:02:40,580 --> 00:03:01,073\n第一颗预计在2027年发射我认为这是一个很好开始但是我想确认一件事情就是到底六颗够不够因为根据太空中心的估计至少要120颗才能确保我们24小时的通讯不间断所以我们六颗到底够不够第二个问题是我们有没有一个中长期的卫星通讯计划\n\n10\n00:03:01,946 --> 00:03:28,254\n有我們規劃的就是說如果我們自主的衛星是要做科研用途那我們掌握衛星的設計跟製造的能力的話我們就有實力跟國際的這個新系的大廠合作然後我們台灣的產業就會進來因為才有量如果我們自主的發射的衛星不管是幾十顆一百多顆要花非常非常多的錢是會排擠到我們很多其他經費可是呢還是不夠\n\n11\n00:03:29,114 --> 00:03:56,809\n也真正要完整的星系要非常的多那美國政府也沒有自己做所以都是產業發展產業發展以後我們只要安全符合我們的需求我們都可以跟他合作所以將來我們可以使用的衛星是他整個星系我們都可以使用所以我們是有一個中長期的計畫應該會不止是六顆嗎因為剛前面其實一開始你在這個受訪也有提到說我們跟美國其實有在談我們雙方怎麼來合作嘛對不對所以未來我們一個中長期的計畫對嗎\n\n12\n00:03:58,270 --> 00:04:24,205\n對有專門企劃就是會跟他們合作合作包含租用他的衛星或頻段那如果是我們比較屬於要政府的服務的部分我們保證是一定有這個能力的然後在接下來就是商用的部分他們也要做台灣的生意他們也需要台灣的供應鏈那合作起來以後我們可以使用到他完整的這個信息所以我們更有保障所以我們目標是要在我們有目標要達成多少顆嗎在什麼時間點嗎有這些目標嗎\n\n13\n00:04:26,345 --> 00:04:44,060\n我們的目標現在是六棵但是中長期計畫的目標是中長期計畫就是我們如果跟因為我們的這個三期現在那個延到2031嘛2031之後我們現在還沒有完全確定就是我們跟他開始合作以後我們會規劃下一期的\n\n14\n00:04:46,343 --> 00:05:01,031\n好了解那我想我關於這聽起來有點像是主權我們也會打造自己的主權心系對不對自主的這個衛星的使用這個是屬於還是在國家比較機密的範圍好沒問題這個我不方便在這邊好沒問題好了解\n\n15\n00:05:01,891 --> 00:05:26,798\n那在下一個問題我想請教有關於前陣子我們陽管處有個大火這個大火就把我們燒了五個小時四點多公頃的生態區變成了焦土甚至波及了我們周邊北投萬里帶的空氣品質後來發現起火點是在國研院在陽明山設置的一個空氣品質感測器疑似離電池自然引發火災\n\n16\n00:05:28,198 --> 00:05:43,547\n所以我想我這邊看到說我們4月底其實拆掉了全台16組相同的一個感測器那我知道主委其實24號也自己去敞刊事發地點我想問一下這件事情是否已經完成調查確定是離電池自燃嗎\n\n17\n00:05:45,949 --> 00:05:57,175\n我們還沒有收到最後的結果但是跟消防局溝通聯絡他們初步的證據是從設備的鋰電池初步的證據那何時會有完整的報告呢?有預估嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:05,620 --> 00:06:29,822\n完整報告可能要看看六月有沒有辦法得到那個台北市消防局那邊確定的這個結果因為他還在調查還在約談廠商之類的好沒關係那我想請問一下因為據我所知好像你們現在其實有針對於高敏感區做一些清查跟盤點我們動作很快的對好那我想問一下我們現在有沒有定一些相關的風險管理的安全指引\n\n19\n00:06:30,242 --> 00:06:52,777\n有,現在是比較危險的就是鋰電池,它在惡劣的環境之下比較容易極端氣候,惡劣是指極端氣候嗎?還是怎樣叫惡劣?包含那個空氣,因為小約克那邊有腐蝕性的空氣那設備那個鋰電池滲漏等等引起的這個火災,那像這些東西事先我們沒有注意到\n\n20\n00:06:53,757 --> 00:07:00,402\n接下來我們國務院現在都已經有一個完整的SOP修改過了對於這種設備在各種惡劣的環境之下要能夠承受多少的壓力那在裝置的環境之間有沒有可能造成更大危害\n\n21\n00:07:08,248 --> 00:07:29,751\n就是等於是說我們其實現在已經做出了一個安全的指引面對不同的環境之下的一個應對方法那我想要再問第三個問題就是陽管器的感測器其實在2024年底就已經計畫期滿可是都還沒有放就是還放在那裡沒有拆除是否有管理與監督的一個漏洞呢\n\n22\n00:07:30,832 --> 00:07:43,665\n包括計畫終止其實並不代表那個設備不能用了因為他還繼續在收資料還提供給我們很多研究資料那這樣子所以計畫期滿到底是持續的計畫期滿之後你剛剛還會繼續收資料嘛那可是問題維護的部分呢還會持續的維護嗎因為這就牽扯到安全的問題嘛\n\n23\n00:07:49,771 --> 00:08:16,739\n這個的確是一個缺失可是你知道我們台灣人都很節儉就是能用我們就對啦節儉可是因為這會造成因為我們現在沒有設備沒有去管理跟監督跟維護的時候就會造成今天這樣子的一個問題沒有錯今天發生這個事情我們當然所有的這個程序我們都會修正好能夠確保以後沒關係那因為我時間有限這一題我們再約時間來了解它後續我們到底會如何來解決這樣子的面對這樣子的問題但我想再問一個問題就是說\n\n24\n00:08:19,434 --> 00:08:35,942\n那這樣子我們把這個拆掉對不對因為我們本來還要收資料可是我們全部都拆了那又是基於什麼樣子的標準與風險評估呢會不會對我們的空氣的資料收集造成影響我們等調查確定結束以後我們當然還會再持續收資料因為這個對民眾安全非常重要所以不能裝因為還在調查調查結束以後我們會用一個最安全的方法\n\n25\n00:08:45,506 --> 00:09:11,994\n再啟動相關計畫那確保這個事情不要再發生這樣好了解了解那我最後再請教一個問題就是有關於最近這個美國政府已經有發布了就是我們的哈佛大學招收國際生的資格被取消因為他們被控訴助長暴力而且反猶太而且與中國共產黨勾結所以呢他們會喪失合法的身份可是現在大概哈佛有6800名國際學生\n\n26\n00:09:14,415 --> 00:09:29,417\n所以這些學生目前就沒有辦法去那邊深造現在其實很多的國家都已經把握了這個機會像是日本的文科學省就已經有呼籲國內的大學要來接收這些受影響的哈佛國際生\n\n27\n00:09:31,013 --> 00:09:48,084\n那東京大學啊京都大學也其實都有在回應這件事情那我想問一下我們準備好了要來搶這一批學生了嗎因為我們其實也有一些相關的計畫嘛要來招收國際的優秀的不管是學生也好研究者那我們目前有沒有一些具體的方案來吸引他們呢\n\n28\n00:09:48,906 --> 00:10:11,081\n其實我們過去在COVID-19的時期我們台灣幾個大學也都是很積極做類似的事情國科會絕對會支持只要我們的大學願意來接收我想的其實是國科會自己其實有一個外籍高階人才來台實習的試辦專案以前都會提供數百名的外國大學生研究生來台灣做一個短期的研究機會\n\n29\n00:10:12,302 --> 00:10:34,250\n那我們是不是可以透過這個機會呢增加名額啦增加經費啦吸引他們可以來然後我們這邊留下來未來也可以留在我們這邊變成科研人才啊好這個是很好我請李處長科科處理處長跟委員報告這個IPP呢它本身是一個月到三個月的短期的時間所以我們也會從這裡面去檢討看看\n\n30\n00:10:34,904 --> 00:10:57,100\n是有可行的嗎?你覺得?可行就是說,更長期的我們都願意做啦更長期,所以我們是有可能在延長嘛,對不對?我們要趕快把這個...對,因為我想這個都是優秀人才,本來要去哈佛大學的耶,對不對?我們應該好好把握啊,而且對我們的半導體AI、生技都會非常有幫助當然,這些學生都是很好的學生,我們當然也會跟教育部來合作啦\n\n31\n00:10:57,600 --> 00:11:23,066\n因為即使是要唸協會,我也希望各大學能夠放寬,正名額,能夠邀請他們過來。了解,那我們進一步再來跟國科會這邊來追蹤好不好?那最後再用一分鐘時間就好,一分鐘。就是其實我們的科普活動啊,上次我們去年在審預算的時候,其實有提到說我們希望可以把台灣台語或其他國家語言放到我們的科普活動裡面,不管是我們的科普列車也好,\n\n32\n00:11:23,926 --> 00:11:39,580\n因為我認為國科會還是可以依據國家語言發展法來支持可是你們跟我們的回應是說你們有做中文跟英文啦可是我們講的其實是台灣台語好像有點牛頭不對馬嘴啦所以我想問一下這部分是不是可行因為我覺得國科會很有機會啊你們都為了視藏者做了這樣子的書籍嘛對不對\n\n33\n00:11:40,200 --> 00:12:02,839\n非常感謝委員提醒我想我們在各種地區的語言盡量我們也可以融入那除了這個科普今年的活動有沒有可能可以融入因為其實有很多母語家庭來講他們其實想要了解這些科學知識我來鼓勵我們理事長按照委員的這個建議好那我們再跟理事長要詳細的活動內容好不好好謝謝喔好謝謝委員\n\n34\n00:12:06,193 --> 00:12:11,740\n謝謝張雅琳委員質詢部會官員請回座謝謝接下來有請郭玉琴委員質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3888\t18161\t主委想要首先請教有關於低軌衛星的問題就是在去年10月14號的時候行政院開了一個SRB的會議我們就有提到說國客會將會著手進行次世代通訊發展方案\n19142\t37498\t来为技术和创新呢与市场应用电力坚实的基础那在5月17号的时候我也看到新闻的报道主委表示说我们已经提出了相关的草案而且呢正在跟亚马逊旗下的网络卫星系统Kyper正在洽谈合作中这项洽谈呢已经得到了美国政府的一个许可哦\n38683\t52707\t那未來將會透過台灣一個比較強的一個製造實力來跟協助美國業者得到更容易取得高品質的不管是衛星、地面站、東端設備等等但我們可以在這個合作中取到三個我覺得蠻關鍵的東西就是第一個通訊衛星營運的服務\n55369\t74341\t來以利於台灣佈局新系第三呢保證我們的通訊韌性那在其實相關多的發言裡面啊我都看到說組委裡面也很強調就是說資訊這個會對我們的智慧城市啊物聯網應用啊行動通訊產業扮演關鍵的小角色所以我們必須要持續的來投入哦\n74961\t84374\t但我自己覺得這個看起來應該不是只有提升產業而已應該還涉及到了我們這個所謂的國安議題\n86913\t106746\t那我想請教一下我們現在在跟Kyper談的時候我們有沒有掌握我們平時跟戰時或是災難時的一個通訊容量的需求呢這樣子我們才能夠去確保說當我們遇到重大的災難或是戰爭斷網的時候我們需要多少的頻寬才能維持我們一個救災啦或是一些關鍵基礎設施的通訊我們有沒有掌握\n107846\t135456\t報告委員我們現在跟開普在談的公開的這些合作其實並沒有牽涉到比較敏感的那個國安需求我們在國安需求的部分目前是總統府國安會有規劃當中那我們太空中心也在協助那將來開普會不會是其中的一部分現在還不確定但是我們要談的主要是針對產業發展這是我們在公開的太空計畫\n136816\t158358\t修正案裡面我們是在去年10月的SRB就是邀請產業界進來就做這個事所以目前國科會負責就是在產業端的部分對嗎好那沒關係那我繼續請教一下就是說我想就是說我們我也看到就是在這個新聞裡面主委也有提到說我們要自主研發B5G衛星嘛才2加4的策略由中空太空中心研發2顆民間研發4顆\n160580\t181073\t第一颗预计在2027年发射我认为这是一个很好开始但是我想确认一件事情就是到底六颗够不够因为根据太空中心的估计至少要120颗才能确保我们24小时的通讯不间断所以我们六颗到底够不够第二个问题是我们有没有一个中长期的卫星通讯计划\n181946\t208254\t有 我們規劃的就是說如果我們自主的衛星是要做科研用途那我們掌握衛星的設計跟製造的能力的話我們就有實力跟國際的這個新系的大廠合作然後我們台灣的產業就會進來 因為才有量如果我們自主的發射的衛星不管是幾十顆 一百多顆要花非常非常多的錢 是會排擠到我們很多其他經費可是呢 還是不夠\n209114\t236809\t也真正要完整的星系要非常的多那美國政府也沒有自己做所以都是產業發展產業發展以後我們只要安全符合我們的需求我們都可以跟他合作所以將來我們可以使用的衛星是他整個星系我們都可以使用所以我們是有一個中長期的計畫應該會不止是六顆嗎因為剛前面其實一開始你在這個受訪也有提到說我們跟美國其實有在談我們雙方怎麼來合作嘛對不對所以未來我們一個中長期的計畫對嗎\n238270\t264205\t對 有專門企劃就是會跟他們合作合作包含租用他的衛星或頻段那如果是我們比較屬於要政府的服務的部分我們保證是一定有這個能力的然後在接下來就是商用的部分他們也要做台灣的生意他們也需要台灣的供應鏈那合作起來以後我們可以使用到他完整的這個信息所以我們更有保障所以我們目標是要在我們有目標要達成多少顆嗎在什麼時間點嗎 有這些目標嗎\n266345\t284060\t我們的目標現在是六棵但是中長期計畫的目標是中長期計畫就是我們如果跟因為我們的這個三期現在那個延到2031嘛2031之後我們現在還沒有完全確定就是我們跟他開始合作以後我們會規劃下一期的\n286343\t301031\t好 了解那我想我關於這聽起來有點像是主權我們也會打造自己的主權心系對不對自主的這個衛星的使用這個是屬於還是在國家比較機密的範圍好 沒問題這個我不方便在這邊好 沒問題好 了解\n301891\t326798\t那在下一個問題我想請教有關於前陣子我們陽管處有個大火這個大火就把我們燒了五個小時四點多公頃的生態區變成了焦土甚至波及了我們周邊北投萬里帶的空氣品質後來發現起火點是在國研院在陽明山設置的一個空氣品質感測器疑似離電池自然引發火災\n328198\t343547\t所以我想我這邊看到說我們4月底其實拆掉了全台16組相同的一個感測器那我知道主委其實24號也自己去敞刊事發地點我想問一下這件事情是否已經完成調查確定是離電池自燃嗎\n345949\t357175\t我們還沒有收到最後的結果但是跟消防局溝通聯絡他們初步的證據是從設備的鋰電池初步的證據那何時會有完整的報告呢?有預估嗎?\n365620\t389822\t完整報告可能要看看六月有沒有辦法得到那個台北市消防局那邊確定的這個結果因為他還在調查還在約談廠商之類的好沒關係那我想請問一下因為據我所知好像你們現在其實有針對於高敏感區做一些清查跟盤點我們動作很快的對好那我想問一下我們現在有沒有定一些相關的風險管理的安全指引\n390242\t412777\t有,現在是比較危險的就是鋰電池,它在惡劣的環境之下比較容易極端氣候,惡劣是指極端氣候嗎?還是怎樣叫惡劣?包含那個空氣,因為小約克那邊有腐蝕性的空氣那設備那個鋰電池滲漏等等引起的這個火災,那像這些東西事先我們沒有注意到\n413757\t420402\t接下來我們國務院現在都已經有一個完整的SOP修改過了對於這種設備在各種惡劣的環境之下要能夠承受多少的壓力那在裝置的環境之間有沒有可能造成更大危害\n428248\t449751\t就是等於是說我們其實現在已經做出了一個安全的指引面對不同的環境之下的一個應對方法那我想要再問第三個問題就是陽管器的感測器其實在2024年底就已經計畫期滿可是都還沒有放就是還放在那裡沒有拆除是否有管理與監督的一個漏洞呢\n450832\t463665\t包括計畫終止其實並不代表那個設備不能用了因為他還繼續在收資料還提供給我們很多研究資料那這樣子所以計畫期滿到底是持續的計畫期滿之後你剛剛還會繼續收資料嘛那可是問題維護的部分呢還會持續的維護嗎因為這就牽扯到安全的問題嘛\n469771\t496739\t這個的確是一個缺失可是你知道我們台灣人都很節儉就是能用我們就對啦節儉可是因為這會造成因為我們現在沒有設備沒有去管理跟監督跟維護的時候就會造成今天這樣子的一個問題沒有錯今天發生這個事情我們當然所有的這個程序我們都會修正好能夠確保以後沒關係那因為我時間有限這一題我們再約時間來了解它後續我們到底會如何來解決這樣子的面對這樣子的問題但我想再問一個問題就是說\n499434\t515942\t那這樣子我們把這個拆掉對不對因為我們本來還要收資料可是我們全部都拆了那又是基於什麼樣子的標準與風險評估呢會不會對我們的空氣的資料收集造成影響我們等調查確定結束以後我們當然還會再持續收資料因為這個對民眾安全非常重要所以不能裝因為還在調查調查結束以後我們會用一個最安全的方法\n525506\t551994\t再啟動相關計畫那確保這個事情不要再發生這樣好 了解了解那我最後再請教一個問題就是有關於最近這個美國政府已經有發布了就是我們的哈佛大學招收國際生的資格被取消因為他們被控訴助長暴力而且反猶太而且與中國共產黨勾結所以呢他們會喪失合法的身份可是現在大概哈佛有6800名國際學生\n554415\t569417\t所以這些學生目前就沒有辦法去那邊深造現在其實很多的國家都已經把握了這個機會像是日本的文科學省就已經有呼籲國內的大學要來接收這些受影響的哈佛國際生\n571013\t588084\t那東京大學啊京都大學也其實都有在回應這件事情那我想問一下我們準備好了要來搶這一批學生了嗎因為我們其實也有一些相關的計畫嘛要來招收國際的優秀的不管是學生也好研究者那我們目前有沒有一些具體的方案來吸引他們呢\n588906\t611081\t其實我們過去在COVID-19的時期我們台灣幾個大學也都是很積極做類似的事情國科會絕對會支持只要我們的大學願意來接收我想的其實是國科會自己其實有一個外籍高階人才來台實習的試辦專案以前都會提供數百名的外國大學生研究生來台灣做一個短期的研究機會\n612302\t634250\t那我們是不是可以透過這個機會呢 增加名額啦 增加經費啦 吸引他們可以來然後我們這邊留下來 未來也可以留在我們這邊變成科研人才啊好 這個是很好 我請李處長 科科處理處長跟委員報告 這個IPP呢 它本身是一個月到三個月的短期的時間所以我們也會從這裡面去檢討看看\n634904\t657100\t是有可行的嗎?你覺得?可行就是說,更長期的我們都願意做啦更長期,所以我們是有可能在延長嘛,對不對?我們要趕快把這個...對,因為我想這個都是優秀人才,本來要去哈佛大學的耶,對不對?我們應該好好把握啊,而且對我們的半導體AI、生技都會非常有幫助當然,這些學生都是很好的學生,我們當然也會跟教育部來合作啦\n657600\t683066\t因為即使是要唸協會,我也希望各大學能夠放寬,正名額,能夠邀請他們過來。了解,那我們進一步再來跟國科會這邊來追蹤好不好?那最後再用一分鐘時間就好,一分鐘。就是其實我們的科普活動啊,上次我們去年在審預算的時候,其實有提到說我們希望可以把台灣台語或其他國家語言放到我們的科普活動裡面,不管是我們的科普列車也好,\n683926\t699580\t因為我認為國科會還是可以依據國家語言發展法來支持可是你們跟我們的回應是說你們有做中文跟英文啦可是我們講的其實是台灣台語好像有點牛頭不對馬嘴啦所以我想問一下這部分是不是可行因為我覺得國科會很有機會啊你們都為了視藏者做了這樣子的書籍嘛對不對\n700200\t722839\t非常感謝委員提醒我想我們在各種地區的語言盡量我們也可以融入那除了這個科普今年的活動有沒有可能可以融入因為其實有很多母語家庭來講他們其實想要了解這些科學知識我來鼓勵我們理事長按照委員的這個建議好那我們再跟理事長要詳細的活動內容好不好好謝謝喔好謝謝委員\n726193\t731740\t謝謝張雅琳委員質詢部會官員請回座 謝謝接下來有請郭玉琴委員質詢\n","txt":"主委想要首先請教有關於低軌衛星的問題就是在去年10月14號的時候行政院開了一個SRB的會議我們就有提到說國客會將會著手進行次世代通訊發展方案\n来为技术和创新呢与市场应用电力坚实的基础那在5月17号的时候我也看到新闻的报道主委表示说我们已经提出了相关的草案而且呢正在跟亚马逊旗下的网络卫星系统Kyper正在洽谈合作中这项洽谈呢已经得到了美国政府的一个许可哦\n那未來將會透過台灣一個比較強的一個製造實力來跟協助美國業者得到更容易取得高品質的不管是衛星、地面站、東端設備等等但我們可以在這個合作中取到三個我覺得蠻關鍵的東西就是第一個通訊衛星營運的服務\n來以利於台灣佈局新系第三呢保證我們的通訊韌性那在其實相關多的發言裡面啊我都看到說組委裡面也很強調就是說資訊這個會對我們的智慧城市啊物聯網應用啊行動通訊產業扮演關鍵的小角色所以我們必須要持續的來投入哦\n但我自己覺得這個看起來應該不是只有提升產業而已應該還涉及到了我們這個所謂的國安議題\n那我想請教一下我們現在在跟Kyper談的時候我們有沒有掌握我們平時跟戰時或是災難時的一個通訊容量的需求呢這樣子我們才能夠去確保說當我們遇到重大的災難或是戰爭斷網的時候我們需要多少的頻寬才能維持我們一個救災啦或是一些關鍵基礎設施的通訊我們有沒有掌握\n報告委員我們現在跟開普在談的公開的這些合作其實並沒有牽涉到比較敏感的那個國安需求我們在國安需求的部分目前是總統府國安會有規劃當中那我們太空中心也在協助那將來開普會不會是其中的一部分現在還不確定但是我們要談的主要是針對產業發展這是我們在公開的太空計畫\n修正案裡面我們是在去年10月的SRB就是邀請產業界進來就做這個事所以目前國科會負責就是在產業端的部分對嗎好那沒關係那我繼續請教一下就是說我想就是說我們我也看到就是在這個新聞裡面主委也有提到說我們要自主研發B5G衛星嘛才2加4的策略由中空太空中心研發2顆民間研發4顆\n第一颗预计在2027年发射我认为这是一个很好开始但是我想确认一件事情就是到底六颗够不够因为根据太空中心的估计至少要120颗才能确保我们24小时的通讯不间断所以我们六颗到底够不够第二个问题是我们有没有一个中长期的卫星通讯计划\n有 我們規劃的就是說如果我們自主的衛星是要做科研用途那我們掌握衛星的設計跟製造的能力的話我們就有實力跟國際的這個新系的大廠合作然後我們台灣的產業就會進來 因為才有量如果我們自主的發射的衛星不管是幾十顆 一百多顆要花非常非常多的錢 是會排擠到我們很多其他經費可是呢 還是不夠\n也真正要完整的星系要非常的多那美國政府也沒有自己做所以都是產業發展產業發展以後我們只要安全符合我們的需求我們都可以跟他合作所以將來我們可以使用的衛星是他整個星系我們都可以使用所以我們是有一個中長期的計畫應該會不止是六顆嗎因為剛前面其實一開始你在這個受訪也有提到說我們跟美國其實有在談我們雙方怎麼來合作嘛對不對所以未來我們一個中長期的計畫對嗎\n對 有專門企劃就是會跟他們合作合作包含租用他的衛星或頻段那如果是我們比較屬於要政府的服務的部分我們保證是一定有這個能力的然後在接下來就是商用的部分他們也要做台灣的生意他們也需要台灣的供應鏈那合作起來以後我們可以使用到他完整的這個信息所以我們更有保障所以我們目標是要在我們有目標要達成多少顆嗎在什麼時間點嗎 有這些目標嗎\n我們的目標現在是六棵但是中長期計畫的目標是中長期計畫就是我們如果跟因為我們的這個三期現在那個延到2031嘛2031之後我們現在還沒有完全確定就是我們跟他開始合作以後我們會規劃下一期的\n好 了解那我想我關於這聽起來有點像是主權我們也會打造自己的主權心系對不對自主的這個衛星的使用這個是屬於還是在國家比較機密的範圍好 沒問題這個我不方便在這邊好 沒問題好 了解\n那在下一個問題我想請教有關於前陣子我們陽管處有個大火這個大火就把我們燒了五個小時四點多公頃的生態區變成了焦土甚至波及了我們周邊北投萬里帶的空氣品質後來發現起火點是在國研院在陽明山設置的一個空氣品質感測器疑似離電池自然引發火災\n所以我想我這邊看到說我們4月底其實拆掉了全台16組相同的一個感測器那我知道主委其實24號也自己去敞刊事發地點我想問一下這件事情是否已經完成調查確定是離電池自燃嗎\n我們還沒有收到最後的結果但是跟消防局溝通聯絡他們初步的證據是從設備的鋰電池初步的證據那何時會有完整的報告呢?有預估嗎?\n完整報告可能要看看六月有沒有辦法得到那個台北市消防局那邊確定的這個結果因為他還在調查還在約談廠商之類的好沒關係那我想請問一下因為據我所知好像你們現在其實有針對於高敏感區做一些清查跟盤點我們動作很快的對好那我想問一下我們現在有沒有定一些相關的風險管理的安全指引\n有,現在是比較危險的就是鋰電池,它在惡劣的環境之下比較容易極端氣候,惡劣是指極端氣候嗎?還是怎樣叫惡劣?包含那個空氣,因為小約克那邊有腐蝕性的空氣那設備那個鋰電池滲漏等等引起的這個火災,那像這些東西事先我們沒有注意到\n接下來我們國務院現在都已經有一個完整的SOP修改過了對於這種設備在各種惡劣的環境之下要能夠承受多少的壓力那在裝置的環境之間有沒有可能造成更大危害\n就是等於是說我們其實現在已經做出了一個安全的指引面對不同的環境之下的一個應對方法那我想要再問第三個問題就是陽管器的感測器其實在2024年底就已經計畫期滿可是都還沒有放就是還放在那裡沒有拆除是否有管理與監督的一個漏洞呢\n包括計畫終止其實並不代表那個設備不能用了因為他還繼續在收資料還提供給我們很多研究資料那這樣子所以計畫期滿到底是持續的計畫期滿之後你剛剛還會繼續收資料嘛那可是問題維護的部分呢還會持續的維護嗎因為這就牽扯到安全的問題嘛\n這個的確是一個缺失可是你知道我們台灣人都很節儉就是能用我們就對啦節儉可是因為這會造成因為我們現在沒有設備沒有去管理跟監督跟維護的時候就會造成今天這樣子的一個問題沒有錯今天發生這個事情我們當然所有的這個程序我們都會修正好能夠確保以後沒關係那因為我時間有限這一題我們再約時間來了解它後續我們到底會如何來解決這樣子的面對這樣子的問題但我想再問一個問題就是說\n那這樣子我們把這個拆掉對不對因為我們本來還要收資料可是我們全部都拆了那又是基於什麼樣子的標準與風險評估呢會不會對我們的空氣的資料收集造成影響我們等調查確定結束以後我們當然還會再持續收資料因為這個對民眾安全非常重要所以不能裝因為還在調查調查結束以後我們會用一個最安全的方法\n再啟動相關計畫那確保這個事情不要再發生這樣好 了解了解那我最後再請教一個問題就是有關於最近這個美國政府已經有發布了就是我們的哈佛大學招收國際生的資格被取消因為他們被控訴助長暴力而且反猶太而且與中國共產黨勾結所以呢他們會喪失合法的身份可是現在大概哈佛有6800名國際學生\n所以這些學生目前就沒有辦法去那邊深造現在其實很多的國家都已經把握了這個機會像是日本的文科學省就已經有呼籲國內的大學要來接收這些受影響的哈佛國際生\n那東京大學啊京都大學也其實都有在回應這件事情那我想問一下我們準備好了要來搶這一批學生了嗎因為我們其實也有一些相關的計畫嘛要來招收國際的優秀的不管是學生也好研究者那我們目前有沒有一些具體的方案來吸引他們呢\n其實我們過去在COVID-19的時期我們台灣幾個大學也都是很積極做類似的事情國科會絕對會支持只要我們的大學願意來接收我想的其實是國科會自己其實有一個外籍高階人才來台實習的試辦專案以前都會提供數百名的外國大學生研究生來台灣做一個短期的研究機會\n那我們是不是可以透過這個機會呢 增加名額啦 增加經費啦 吸引他們可以來然後我們這邊留下來 未來也可以留在我們這邊變成科研人才啊好 這個是很好 我請李處長 科科處理處長跟委員報告 這個IPP呢 它本身是一個月到三個月的短期的時間所以我們也會從這裡面去檢討看看\n是有可行的嗎?你覺得?可行就是說,更長期的我們都願意做啦更長期,所以我們是有可能在延長嘛,對不對?我們要趕快把這個...對,因為我想這個都是優秀人才,本來要去哈佛大學的耶,對不對?我們應該好好把握啊,而且對我們的半導體AI、生技都會非常有幫助當然,這些學生都是很好的學生,我們當然也會跟教育部來合作啦\n因為即使是要唸協會,我也希望各大學能夠放寬,正名額,能夠邀請他們過來。了解,那我們進一步再來跟國科會這邊來追蹤好不好?那最後再用一分鐘時間就好,一分鐘。就是其實我們的科普活動啊,上次我們去年在審預算的時候,其實有提到說我們希望可以把台灣台語或其他國家語言放到我們的科普活動裡面,不管是我們的科普列車也好,\n因為我認為國科會還是可以依據國家語言發展法來支持可是你們跟我們的回應是說你們有做中文跟英文啦可是我們講的其實是台灣台語好像有點牛頭不對馬嘴啦所以我想問一下這部分是不是可行因為我覺得國科會很有機會啊你們都為了視藏者做了這樣子的書籍嘛對不對\n非常感謝委員提醒我想我們在各種地區的語言盡量我們也可以融入那除了這個科普今年的活動有沒有可能可以融入因為其實有很多母語家庭來講他們其實想要了解這些科學知識我來鼓勵我們理事長按照委員的這個建議好那我們再跟理事長要詳細的活動內容好不好好謝謝喔好謝謝委員\n謝謝張雅琳委員質詢部會官員請回座 謝謝接下來有請郭玉琴委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.888 --> 00:18.161\n主委想要首先請教有關於低軌衛星的問題就是在去年10月14號的時候行政院開了一個SRB的會議我們就有提到說國客會將會著手進行次世代通訊發展方案\n\n00:19.142 --> 00:37.498\n来为技术和创新呢与市场应用电力坚实的基础那在5月17号的时候我也看到新闻的报道主委表示说我们已经提出了相关的草案而且呢正在跟亚马逊旗下的网络卫星系统Kyper正在洽谈合作中这项洽谈呢已经得到了美国政府的一个许可哦\n\n00:38.683 --> 00:52.707\n那未來將會透過台灣一個比較強的一個製造實力來跟協助美國業者得到更容易取得高品質的不管是衛星、地面站、東端設備等等但我們可以在這個合作中取到三個我覺得蠻關鍵的東西就是第一個通訊衛星營運的服務\n\n00:55.369 --> 01:14.341\n來以利於台灣佈局新系第三呢保證我們的通訊韌性那在其實相關多的發言裡面啊我都看到說組委裡面也很強調就是說資訊這個會對我們的智慧城市啊物聯網應用啊行動通訊產業扮演關鍵的小角色所以我們必須要持續的來投入哦\n\n01:14.961 --> 01:24.374\n但我自己覺得這個看起來應該不是只有提升產業而已應該還涉及到了我們這個所謂的國安議題\n\n01:26.913 --> 01:46.746\n那我想請教一下我們現在在跟Kyper談的時候我們有沒有掌握我們平時跟戰時或是災難時的一個通訊容量的需求呢這樣子我們才能夠去確保說當我們遇到重大的災難或是戰爭斷網的時候我們需要多少的頻寬才能維持我們一個救災啦或是一些關鍵基礎設施的通訊我們有沒有掌握\n\n01:47.846 --> 02:15.456\n報告委員我們現在跟開普在談的公開的這些合作其實並沒有牽涉到比較敏感的那個國安需求我們在國安需求的部分目前是總統府國安會有規劃當中那我們太空中心也在協助那將來開普會不會是其中的一部分現在還不確定但是我們要談的主要是針對產業發展這是我們在公開的太空計畫\n\n02:16.816 --> 02:38.358\n修正案裡面我們是在去年10月的SRB就是邀請產業界進來就做這個事所以目前國科會負責就是在產業端的部分對嗎好那沒關係那我繼續請教一下就是說我想就是說我們我也看到就是在這個新聞裡面主委也有提到說我們要自主研發B5G衛星嘛才2加4的策略由中空太空中心研發2顆民間研發4顆\n\n02:40.580 --> 03:01.073\n第一颗预计在2027年发射我认为这是一个很好开始但是我想确认一件事情就是到底六颗够不够因为根据太空中心的估计至少要120颗才能确保我们24小时的通讯不间断所以我们六颗到底够不够第二个问题是我们有没有一个中长期的卫星通讯计划\n\n03:01.946 --> 03:28.254\n有我們規劃的就是說如果我們自主的衛星是要做科研用途那我們掌握衛星的設計跟製造的能力的話我們就有實力跟國際的這個新系的大廠合作然後我們台灣的產業就會進來因為才有量如果我們自主的發射的衛星不管是幾十顆一百多顆要花非常非常多的錢是會排擠到我們很多其他經費可是呢還是不夠\n\n03:29.114 --> 03:56.809\n也真正要完整的星系要非常的多那美國政府也沒有自己做所以都是產業發展產業發展以後我們只要安全符合我們的需求我們都可以跟他合作所以將來我們可以使用的衛星是他整個星系我們都可以使用所以我們是有一個中長期的計畫應該會不止是六顆嗎因為剛前面其實一開始你在這個受訪也有提到說我們跟美國其實有在談我們雙方怎麼來合作嘛對不對所以未來我們一個中長期的計畫對嗎\n\n03:58.270 --> 04:24.205\n對有專門企劃就是會跟他們合作合作包含租用他的衛星或頻段那如果是我們比較屬於要政府的服務的部分我們保證是一定有這個能力的然後在接下來就是商用的部分他們也要做台灣的生意他們也需要台灣的供應鏈那合作起來以後我們可以使用到他完整的這個信息所以我們更有保障所以我們目標是要在我們有目標要達成多少顆嗎在什麼時間點嗎有這些目標嗎\n\n04:26.345 --> 04:44.060\n我們的目標現在是六棵但是中長期計畫的目標是中長期計畫就是我們如果跟因為我們的這個三期現在那個延到2031嘛2031之後我們現在還沒有完全確定就是我們跟他開始合作以後我們會規劃下一期的\n\n04:46.343 --> 05:01.031\n好了解那我想我關於這聽起來有點像是主權我們也會打造自己的主權心系對不對自主的這個衛星的使用這個是屬於還是在國家比較機密的範圍好沒問題這個我不方便在這邊好沒問題好了解\n\n05:01.891 --> 05:26.798\n那在下一個問題我想請教有關於前陣子我們陽管處有個大火這個大火就把我們燒了五個小時四點多公頃的生態區變成了焦土甚至波及了我們周邊北投萬里帶的空氣品質後來發現起火點是在國研院在陽明山設置的一個空氣品質感測器疑似離電池自然引發火災\n\n05:28.198 --> 05:43.547\n所以我想我這邊看到說我們4月底其實拆掉了全台16組相同的一個感測器那我知道主委其實24號也自己去敞刊事發地點我想問一下這件事情是否已經完成調查確定是離電池自燃嗎\n\n05:45.949 --> 05:57.175\n我們還沒有收到最後的結果但是跟消防局溝通聯絡他們初步的證據是從設備的鋰電池初步的證據那何時會有完整的報告呢?有預估嗎?\n\n06:05.620 --> 06:29.822\n完整報告可能要看看六月有沒有辦法得到那個台北市消防局那邊確定的這個結果因為他還在調查還在約談廠商之類的好沒關係那我想請問一下因為據我所知好像你們現在其實有針對於高敏感區做一些清查跟盤點我們動作很快的對好那我想問一下我們現在有沒有定一些相關的風險管理的安全指引\n\n06:30.242 --> 06:52.777\n有,現在是比較危險的就是鋰電池,它在惡劣的環境之下比較容易極端氣候,惡劣是指極端氣候嗎?還是怎樣叫惡劣?包含那個空氣,因為小約克那邊有腐蝕性的空氣那設備那個鋰電池滲漏等等引起的這個火災,那像這些東西事先我們沒有注意到\n\n06:53.757 --> 07:00.402\n接下來我們國務院現在都已經有一個完整的SOP修改過了對於這種設備在各種惡劣的環境之下要能夠承受多少的壓力那在裝置的環境之間有沒有可能造成更大危害\n\n07:08.248 --> 07:29.751\n就是等於是說我們其實現在已經做出了一個安全的指引面對不同的環境之下的一個應對方法那我想要再問第三個問題就是陽管器的感測器其實在2024年底就已經計畫期滿可是都還沒有放就是還放在那裡沒有拆除是否有管理與監督的一個漏洞呢\n\n07:30.832 --> 07:43.665\n包括計畫終止其實並不代表那個設備不能用了因為他還繼續在收資料還提供給我們很多研究資料那這樣子所以計畫期滿到底是持續的計畫期滿之後你剛剛還會繼續收資料嘛那可是問題維護的部分呢還會持續的維護嗎因為這就牽扯到安全的問題嘛\n\n07:49.771 --> 08:16.739\n這個的確是一個缺失可是你知道我們台灣人都很節儉就是能用我們就對啦節儉可是因為這會造成因為我們現在沒有設備沒有去管理跟監督跟維護的時候就會造成今天這樣子的一個問題沒有錯今天發生這個事情我們當然所有的這個程序我們都會修正好能夠確保以後沒關係那因為我時間有限這一題我們再約時間來了解它後續我們到底會如何來解決這樣子的面對這樣子的問題但我想再問一個問題就是說\n\n08:19.434 --> 08:35.942\n那這樣子我們把這個拆掉對不對因為我們本來還要收資料可是我們全部都拆了那又是基於什麼樣子的標準與風險評估呢會不會對我們的空氣的資料收集造成影響我們等調查確定結束以後我們當然還會再持續收資料因為這個對民眾安全非常重要所以不能裝因為還在調查調查結束以後我們會用一個最安全的方法\n\n08:45.506 --> 09:11.994\n再啟動相關計畫那確保這個事情不要再發生這樣好了解了解那我最後再請教一個問題就是有關於最近這個美國政府已經有發布了就是我們的哈佛大學招收國際生的資格被取消因為他們被控訴助長暴力而且反猶太而且與中國共產黨勾結所以呢他們會喪失合法的身份可是現在大概哈佛有6800名國際學生\n\n09:14.415 --> 09:29.417\n所以這些學生目前就沒有辦法去那邊深造現在其實很多的國家都已經把握了這個機會像是日本的文科學省就已經有呼籲國內的大學要來接收這些受影響的哈佛國際生\n\n09:31.013 --> 09:48.084\n那東京大學啊京都大學也其實都有在回應這件事情那我想問一下我們準備好了要來搶這一批學生了嗎因為我們其實也有一些相關的計畫嘛要來招收國際的優秀的不管是學生也好研究者那我們目前有沒有一些具體的方案來吸引他們呢\n\n09:48.906 --> 10:11.081\n其實我們過去在COVID-19的時期我們台灣幾個大學也都是很積極做類似的事情國科會絕對會支持只要我們的大學願意來接收我想的其實是國科會自己其實有一個外籍高階人才來台實習的試辦專案以前都會提供數百名的外國大學生研究生來台灣做一個短期的研究機會\n\n10:12.302 --> 10:34.250\n那我們是不是可以透過這個機會呢增加名額啦增加經費啦吸引他們可以來然後我們這邊留下來未來也可以留在我們這邊變成科研人才啊好這個是很好我請李處長科科處理處長跟委員報告這個IPP呢它本身是一個月到三個月的短期的時間所以我們也會從這裡面去檢討看看\n\n10:34.904 --> 10:57.100\n是有可行的嗎?你覺得?可行就是說,更長期的我們都願意做啦更長期,所以我們是有可能在延長嘛,對不對?我們要趕快把這個...對,因為我想這個都是優秀人才,本來要去哈佛大學的耶,對不對?我們應該好好把握啊,而且對我們的半導體AI、生技都會非常有幫助當然,這些學生都是很好的學生,我們當然也會跟教育部來合作啦\n\n10:57.600 --> 11:23.066\n因為即使是要唸協會,我也希望各大學能夠放寬,正名額,能夠邀請他們過來。了解,那我們進一步再來跟國科會這邊來追蹤好不好?那最後再用一分鐘時間就好,一分鐘。就是其實我們的科普活動啊,上次我們去年在審預算的時候,其實有提到說我們希望可以把台灣台語或其他國家語言放到我們的科普活動裡面,不管是我們的科普列車也好,\n\n11:23.926 --> 11:39.580\n因為我認為國科會還是可以依據國家語言發展法來支持可是你們跟我們的回應是說你們有做中文跟英文啦可是我們講的其實是台灣台語好像有點牛頭不對馬嘴啦所以我想問一下這部分是不是可行因為我覺得國科會很有機會啊你們都為了視藏者做了這樣子的書籍嘛對不對\n\n11:40.200 --> 12:02.839\n非常感謝委員提醒我想我們在各種地區的語言盡量我們也可以融入那除了這個科普今年的活動有沒有可能可以融入因為其實有很多母語家庭來講他們其實想要了解這些科學知識我來鼓勵我們理事長按照委員的這個建議好那我們再跟理事長要詳細的活動內容好不好好謝謝喔好謝謝委員\n\n12:06.193 --> 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了解了解那我最後再請教一個問題就是有關於最近這個美國政府已經有發布了就是我們的哈佛大學招收國際生的資格被取消因為他們被控訴助長暴力而且反猶太而且與中國共產黨勾結所以呢他們會喪失合法的身份可是現在大概哈佛有6800名國際學生"},{"start":554.415,"end":569.417,"text":"所以這些學生目前就沒有辦法去那邊深造現在其實很多的國家都已經把握了這個機會像是日本的文科學省就已經有呼籲國內的大學要來接收這些受影響的哈佛國際生"},{"start":571.013,"end":588.084,"text":"那東京大學啊京都大學也其實都有在回應這件事情那我想問一下我們準備好了要來搶這一批學生了嗎因為我們其實也有一些相關的計畫嘛要來招收國際的優秀的不管是學生也好研究者那我們目前有沒有一些具體的方案來吸引他們呢"},{"start":588.906,"end":611.081,"text":"其實我們過去在COVID-19的時期我們台灣幾個大學也都是很積極做類似的事情國科會絕對會支持只要我們的大學願意來接收我想的其實是國科會自己其實有一個外籍高階人才來台實習的試辦專案以前都會提供數百名的外國大學生研究生來台灣做一個短期的研究機會"},{"start":612.302,"end":634.25,"text":"那我們是不是可以透過這個機會呢 增加名額啦 增加經費啦 吸引他們可以來然後我們這邊留下來 未來也可以留在我們這邊變成科研人才啊好 這個是很好 我請李處長 科科處理處長跟委員報告 這個IPP呢 它本身是一個月到三個月的短期的時間所以我們也會從這裡面去檢討看看"},{"start":634.904,"end":657.1,"text":"是有可行的嗎?你覺得?可行就是說,更長期的我們都願意做啦更長期,所以我們是有可能在延長嘛,對不對?我們要趕快把這個...對,因為我想這個都是優秀人才,本來要去哈佛大學的耶,對不對?我們應該好好把握啊,而且對我們的半導體AI、生技都會非常有幫助當然,這些學生都是很好的學生,我們當然也會跟教育部來合作啦"},{"start":657.6,"end":683.066,"text":"因為即使是要唸協會,我也希望各大學能夠放寬,正名額,能夠邀請他們過來。了解,那我們進一步再來跟國科會這邊來追蹤好不好?那最後再用一分鐘時間就好,一分鐘。就是其實我們的科普活動啊,上次我們去年在審預算的時候,其實有提到說我們希望可以把台灣台語或其他國家語言放到我們的科普活動裡面,不管是我們的科普列車也好,"},{"start":683.926,"end":699.58,"text":"因為我認為國科會還是可以依據國家語言發展法來支持可是你們跟我們的回應是說你們有做中文跟英文啦可是我們講的其實是台灣台語好像有點牛頭不對馬嘴啦所以我想問一下這部分是不是可行因為我覺得國科會很有機會啊你們都為了視藏者做了這樣子的書籍嘛對不對"},{"start":700.2,"end":722.839,"text":"非常感謝委員提醒我想我們在各種地區的語言盡量我們也可以融入那除了這個科普今年的活動有沒有可能可以融入因為其實有很多母語家庭來講他們其實想要了解這些科學知識我來鼓勵我們理事長按照委員的這個建議好那我們再跟理事長要詳細的活動內容好不好好謝謝喔好謝謝委員"},{"start":726.193,"end":731.74,"text":"謝謝張雅琳委員質詢部會官員請回座 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教育及文化委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"處理114年度中央政府總預算有關國家科學及技術委員會主管預算解凍案22案","agenda_id":"1145601_00001"}}}