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00:01:55,581\n我們在做這件事情的時候我們通常都會使用到原住民族的傳統領域他的土地所以可能很多時候我們不會不太知道我們有一些法令或者是要如何跟在地族人溝通我舉個例子當時的三月你們公告了一個\n\n6\n00:01:56,821 --> 00:02:10,539\n短期科研探空火箭發射場域的安全規範草案引起嘩然為什麼因為你們沒有做部落智商那當地人呢就非常的不高興\n\n7\n00:02:12,096 --> 00:02:28,561\n第二個當時也有一個影片在地方在傳就是某個立委他做了一個影片告訴大家說火箭有多可怕世界各個國家發展火箭有多可怕他獨獨影片裡面就沒有中國\n\n8\n00:02:29,921 --> 00:02:57,211\n那我也幫助你們到地方讓他們知道不同類型的火箭長怎麼樣原來科研火箭沒那麼可怕所以呢也很謝謝你們就是最後我們在地的溝通做好了大家也很高興讓蓄海成為我們科研火箭的發射場域那我現在為什麼要特別講因為當年我就有在立法的過程中特別去訴求\n\n9\n00:02:58,591 --> 00:03:22,267\n當時的院版第八條說涉及原住民族權益依原基法及相關法令辦理我當時有特別提醒不是只有原住民的問題而是在地居民我們不論到哪裡在地居民本來就應該要知情要參與所以我的版本有特別提到如果有限制人民權利應事先說明及溝通\n\n10\n00:03:23,267 --> 00:03:51,484\n進行充分民眾參與機制那非常感謝後來我們的發射場域的這個執法有特別在第四條有去做這樣的一個修訂就是要公告選址場址舉辦公聽會還要來書面通知除了機關團體還有利害關係人到場那我很感謝那當時第二個訴求就是在地產業的部分你們的願板\n\n11\n00:03:53,005 --> 00:03:58,031\n當時是寫說政府應推動太空產業發展獎勵及輔導產業培育產業人才等促進太空產業發展事項我當時有特別提醒\n\n12\n00:04:05,731 --> 00:04:23,415\n不是只有培育這些產業人才要跟地方共融所以呢我希望像我的版本說要完善產業及周邊環境的發展所需要的基礎建設要僱用一定比例的在地人力要有地方產業鏈的營造在地產業生活圈那我也非常感謝後來的太空發展法第14條也有把這樣的意見納入到我們的條文當中好\n\n13\n00:04:33,897 --> 00:04:58,113\n那我要跟主委還有太空中心主任說我今天之所以會講這個問題是因為在我們今天的解凍報告也有提到第一案我們已經在114年今年的3月26日選址作業的第四次審查會議已經確認也公布了國家發射場域選定在屏東縣滿洲鄉的九鵬村可是我們來看一下這個地圖這個地圖\n\n14\n00:05:04,097 --> 00:05:30,569\n我們看一下我們的國家發射場域滿洲鄉九棚村就在它的旁邊有一個高氏部落它是屬於牡丹鄉有一個巴搖部落它是屬於牡丹跟滿洲鄉的交界但是呢它也是屬於滿洲鄉好那我們再看另外一張地圖再放大一點看它鄰近的部落還有科研火箭發射場域旭海\n\n15\n00:05:31,289 --> 00:05:58,147\n然後呢再往前走也是你們這次選址之一就是達仁鄉的南田你看他們其實都在一個連帶上面是一個共同的生活圈可是我們來看喔最近我不知道主委跟太空中心主任有沒有掌握到地方有聲音囉在5月16號有一個地方的青年意見領袖他寫了一篇貼文\n\n16\n00:05:59,508 --> 00:06:25,748\n那他說什麼呢他說其實關於太空發射場域在我家附近的八瑤灣火箭發射基地喔他沒有講九棚發射基地喔他講的是八瑤灣發射基地因為那個地方確實就是八瑤部落的出海口八瑤灣\n\n17\n00:06:27,269 --> 00:06:55,829\n然後他說我不排斥地方的發展但我更重視地方協調與尊重所以他說火箭燃料會不會造成我們八堯部落的空污我不知道部落賴以為生的紅土系河流火箭廠排出的廢水會不會影響這些魚蝦蟹回遊部落我不知道當火箭升空是正常航行嗎會不會掉落下來或失速掉到我的部落我不知道\n\n18\n00:06:56,309 --> 00:07:22,631\n我們在這場火箭場競賽的過程中我的部落扮演什麼角色我們也不知道所以地方是不知道不知道不知道但是他不是要阻礙產業發展他只是覺得說為什麼都沒有人跟我們講那這個問題發生在什麼呢因為我們看到園民會在3月11號有回函給牡丹鄉公所因為牡丹鄉公所他想問\n\n19\n00:07:24,244 --> 00:07:51,912\n到底這個有沒有涵蓋到我們牡丹鄉這個國家發射場域但是原民會回答他說這件事要由滿洲鄉確認因為我們是選定在九棚所以要由滿洲鄉確認現在牡丹鄉就回函給牡丹的代表會因為是地方的代表們想知道這件事所以他就把原民會的回答說原民會回答我們說這件事要問滿洲鄉代表會\n\n20\n00:07:52,873 --> 00:08:07,089\n滿洲鄉有沒有問呢滿洲鄉也有問他問誰呢他問的是園民會園民會回答他說不用因為你們九棚不是原住民的部落所以不用所以一整個事情其實我只是要提醒\n\n21\n00:08:08,126 --> 00:08:25,577\n在地的溝通還是要充分做好那第二個就是我關心的從南田到旭海然後一直到現在的九棚它的附近八瑤高市那這些他們都是比鄰近的部落\n\n22\n00:08:26,497 --> 00:08:42,277\n他們我們國科會有沒有太空產業生活圈的想像規劃那未來我們的太空產業鏈有南科有平科到底到了我們那個地方是什麼樣的一個關係部落都很想知道\n\n23\n00:08:42,717 --> 00:09:08,427\n所以今天來這邊就是要特別的提醒是不是在地溝通的部分我們還是要來進行然後太空產業生活圈它目前的規劃情形還是要來說明所以我希望國科會太空中心園民會有沒有辦法就地方所關心的這些事情能夠來我們辦公室說明那當然我們更關心的是太空發展法有了它的未來\n\n24\n00:09:10,377 --> 00:09:32,799\n我們剛剛也聽到大家很關心像40年前美國總統雷根他提到的太空戰用衛星去摧毀衛星現在已經變成一個真實的戰場我們也很清楚知道地面上的世界越來越依賴太空中的軌道衛星所以我們很關心我們的太空發展法很關心我們的國家發射場域\n\n25\n00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:58,067\n未來正規的戰爭開打之前的灰色地帶就是干擾或摧毀通訊那我是希望說台灣的太空計畫要尋求跟美國這一些太空強權要形成一個衛星通訊的互保機制那這些都是我們非常關心的但是萬戰高樓平地起我相信跟我們在地的溝通這個部分會影響我們未來整個太空的一個發展\n\n26\n00:10:04,029 --> 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謝謝\n主委好我其實跟這個太空發展法對我來講有一段故事蠻有感情那最主要是因為我在2020年2月1號進入到立法院我人生中第一次接受人民陳情是南田火箭案\n所以我在2月19號的時候特別去跟他們見面我很驚訝我以為他們部落反對這個東西結果沒有想到部落的村長理事長部落會議主席甚至是鄉長議員他們都非常非常的贊同他們希望他們能夠擁有這個產業所以呢我人生中隔天第一次做\n部會的協調也是為了南田火箭案甚至我人生第一次上質詢台第一次的質詢也是對科技部所以那個時候我認為要解決這個問題就必須要找到主管機關那所以當時呢就是希望科技部來做主管機關那後來呢就推動這個法制那為什麼我要特別這樣講因為我發現\n我們在做這件事情的時候我們通常都會使用到原住民族的傳統領域他的土地所以可能很多時候我們不會不太知道我們有一些法令或者是要如何跟在地族人溝通我舉個例子當時的三月你們公告了一個\n短期科研探空火箭發射場域的安全規範草案引起嘩然為什麼 因為你們沒有做部落智商那當地人呢 就非常的不高興\n第二個當時也有一個影片在地方在傳就是某個立委他做了一個影片告訴大家說火箭有多可怕世界各個國家發展火箭有多可怕他獨獨影片裡面就沒有中國\n那我也幫助你們到地方讓他們知道不同類型的火箭長怎麼樣原來科研火箭沒那麼可怕所以呢也很謝謝你們就是最後我們在地的溝通做好了大家也很高興讓蓄海成為我們科研火箭的發射場域那我現在為什麼要特別講因為當年我就有在立法的過程中特別去訴求\n當時的院版第八條說 涉及原住民族權益依原基法及相關法令辦理我當時有特別提醒 不是只有原住民的問題 而是在地居民我們不論到哪裡 在地居民本來就應該要知情 要參與所以我的版本有特別提到 如果有限制人民權利 應事先說明及溝通\n進行充分民眾參與機制那非常感謝後來我們的發射場域的這個執法有特別在第四條有去做這樣的一個修訂就是要公告選址場址舉辦公聽會還要來書面通知除了機關團體還有利害關係人到場那我很感謝那當時第二個訴求就是在地產業的部分你們的願板\n當時是寫說政府應推動太空產業發展獎勵及輔導產業培育產業人才等促進太空產業發展事項我當時有特別提醒\n不是只有培育這些產業人才要跟地方共融所以呢我希望像我的版本說要完善產業及周邊環境的發展所需要的基礎建設要僱用一定比例的在地人力要有地方產業鏈的營造在地產業生活圈那我也非常感謝後來的太空發展法第14條也有把這樣的意見納入到我們的條文當中好\n那我要跟主委還有太空中心主任說我今天之所以會講這個問題是因為在我們今天的解凍報告也有提到第一案我們已經在114年今年的3月26日選址作業的第四次審查會議已經確認也公布了國家發射場域選定在屏東縣滿洲鄉的九鵬村可是我們來看一下這個地圖這個地圖\n我們看一下 我們的國家發射場域滿洲鄉九棚村 就在它的旁邊有一個高氏部落 它是屬於牡丹鄉有一個巴搖部落 它是屬於牡丹跟滿洲鄉的交界但是呢 它也是屬於滿洲鄉好 那我們再看另外一張地圖再放大一點看 它鄰近的部落還有科研火箭發射場域 旭海\n然後呢再往前走也是你們這次選址之一就是達仁鄉的南田你看他們其實都在一個連帶上面是一個共同的生活圈可是我們來看喔最近我不知道主委跟太空中心主任有沒有掌握到地方有聲音囉在5月16號有一個地方的青年意見領袖他寫了一篇貼文\n那他說什麼呢 他說其實關於太空發射場域在我家附近的八瑤灣火箭發射基地喔他沒有講九棚發射基地喔 他講的是八瑤灣發射基地因為那個地方確實就是八瑤部落的出海口 八瑤灣\n然後他說 我不排斥地方的發展 但我更重視地方協調與尊重所以他說 火箭燃料會不會造成我們八堯部落的空污 我不知道部落賴以為生的紅土系河流 火箭廠排出的廢水會不會影響這些魚蝦蟹回遊部落 我不知道當火箭升空 是正常航行嗎會不會掉落下來 或失速掉到我的部落 我不知道\n我們在這場火箭場競賽的過程中我的部落扮演什麼角色我們也不知道所以地方是不知道 不知道 不知道但是他不是要阻礙產業發展他只是覺得說為什麼都沒有人跟我們講那這個問題發生在什麼呢因為我們看到園民會在3月11號有回函給牡丹鄉公所因為牡丹鄉公所他想問\n到底這個有沒有涵蓋到我們牡丹鄉這個國家發射場域但是原民會回答他說這件事要由滿洲鄉確認因為我們是選定在九棚所以要由滿洲鄉確認現在牡丹鄉就回函給牡丹的代表會因為是地方的代表們想知道這件事所以他就把原民會的回答說原民會回答我們說這件事要問滿洲鄉代表會\n滿洲鄉有沒有問呢 滿洲鄉也有問他問誰呢 他問的是園民會園民會回答他說不用因為你們九棚不是原住民的部落所以不用所以一整個事情其實我只是要提醒\n在地的溝通還是要充分做好那第二個就是我關心的從南田到旭海然後一直到現在的九棚它的附近八瑤高市那這些他們都是比鄰近的部落\n他們 我們國科會有沒有太空產業生活圈的想像規劃那未來我們的太空產業鏈有南科 有平科到底到了我們那個地方是什麼樣的一個關係部落都很想知道\n所以今天來這邊就是要特別的提醒是不是在地溝通的部分我們還是要來進行然後太空產業生活圈它目前的規劃情形還是要來說明所以我希望國科會 太空中心 園民會有沒有辦法就地方所關心的這些事情能夠來我們辦公室說明那當然我們更關心的是太空發展法有了它的未來\n我們剛剛也聽到大家很關心像40年前美國總統雷根他提到的太空戰用衛星去摧毀衛星現在已經變成一個真實的戰場我們也很清楚知道地面上的世界越來越依賴太空中的軌道衛星所以我們很關心我們的太空發展法很關心我們的國家發射場域\n未來正規的戰爭開打之前的灰色地帶就是干擾或摧毀通訊那我是希望說台灣的太空計畫要尋求跟美國這一些太空強權要形成一個衛星通訊的互保機制那這些都是我們非常關心的但是萬戰高樓平地起我相信跟我們在地的溝通這個部分會影響我們未來整個太空的一個發展\n那主委還有我們主任有在這邊有沒有一點點回應就可以好謝謝吳委員我想我們從頭到尾都是用非常開放的態度跟在地在溝通那因為依據這個屏東縣政府跟台東縣政府他們的這個要求我們所有的每一件事都做到了那吳委員現在提出來就是說我們還要再擴大跟這個鄰近的這個部落來溝通這一點我也答應謝謝主委\n後續一定會辦到好 謝謝主委的建議至於這個發展照顧到這個生活圈在地適合的這種產業的發展這個其實本來就在我的規劃當中那各種各樣的建設以及產業的推動一定會按照這個委員的建議來進行謝謝主委 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.666 --> 00:09.199\n謝謝主席有請主委有請主委被質詢謝謝\n\n00:14.445 --> 00:34.815\n主委好我其實跟這個太空發展法對我來講有一段故事蠻有感情那最主要是因為我在2020年2月1號進入到立法院我人生中第一次接受人民陳情是南田火箭案\n\n00:35.735 --> 01:03.361\n所以我在2月19號的時候特別去跟他們見面我很驚訝我以為他們部落反對這個東西結果沒有想到部落的村長理事長部落會議主席甚至是鄉長議員他們都非常非常的贊同他們希望他們能夠擁有這個產業所以呢我人生中隔天第一次做\n\n01:04.401 --> 01:32.272\n部會的協調也是為了南田火箭案甚至我人生第一次上質詢台第一次的質詢也是對科技部所以那個時候我認為要解決這個問題就必須要找到主管機關那所以當時呢就是希望科技部來做主管機關那後來呢就推動這個法制那為什麼我要特別這樣講因為我發現\n\n01:33.772 --> 01:55.581\n我們在做這件事情的時候我們通常都會使用到原住民族的傳統領域他的土地所以可能很多時候我們不會不太知道我們有一些法令或者是要如何跟在地族人溝通我舉個例子當時的三月你們公告了一個\n\n01:56.821 --> 02:10.539\n短期科研探空火箭發射場域的安全規範草案引起嘩然為什麼因為你們沒有做部落智商那當地人呢就非常的不高興\n\n02:12.096 --> 02:28.561\n第二個當時也有一個影片在地方在傳就是某個立委他做了一個影片告訴大家說火箭有多可怕世界各個國家發展火箭有多可怕他獨獨影片裡面就沒有中國\n\n02:29.921 --> 02:57.211\n那我也幫助你們到地方讓他們知道不同類型的火箭長怎麼樣原來科研火箭沒那麼可怕所以呢也很謝謝你們就是最後我們在地的溝通做好了大家也很高興讓蓄海成為我們科研火箭的發射場域那我現在為什麼要特別講因為當年我就有在立法的過程中特別去訴求\n\n02:58.591 --> 03:22.267\n當時的院版第八條說涉及原住民族權益依原基法及相關法令辦理我當時有特別提醒不是只有原住民的問題而是在地居民我們不論到哪裡在地居民本來就應該要知情要參與所以我的版本有特別提到如果有限制人民權利應事先說明及溝通\n\n03:23.267 --> 03:51.484\n進行充分民眾參與機制那非常感謝後來我們的發射場域的這個執法有特別在第四條有去做這樣的一個修訂就是要公告選址場址舉辦公聽會還要來書面通知除了機關團體還有利害關係人到場那我很感謝那當時第二個訴求就是在地產業的部分你們的願板\n\n03:53.005 --> 03:58.031\n當時是寫說政府應推動太空產業發展獎勵及輔導產業培育產業人才等促進太空產業發展事項我當時有特別提醒\n\n04:05.731 --> 04:23.415\n不是只有培育這些產業人才要跟地方共融所以呢我希望像我的版本說要完善產業及周邊環境的發展所需要的基礎建設要僱用一定比例的在地人力要有地方產業鏈的營造在地產業生活圈那我也非常感謝後來的太空發展法第14條也有把這樣的意見納入到我們的條文當中好\n\n04:33.897 --> 04:58.113\n那我要跟主委還有太空中心主任說我今天之所以會講這個問題是因為在我們今天的解凍報告也有提到第一案我們已經在114年今年的3月26日選址作業的第四次審查會議已經確認也公布了國家發射場域選定在屏東縣滿洲鄉的九鵬村可是我們來看一下這個地圖這個地圖\n\n05:04.097 --> 05:30.569\n我們看一下我們的國家發射場域滿洲鄉九棚村就在它的旁邊有一個高氏部落它是屬於牡丹鄉有一個巴搖部落它是屬於牡丹跟滿洲鄉的交界但是呢它也是屬於滿洲鄉好那我們再看另外一張地圖再放大一點看它鄰近的部落還有科研火箭發射場域旭海\n\n05:31.289 --> 05:58.147\n然後呢再往前走也是你們這次選址之一就是達仁鄉的南田你看他們其實都在一個連帶上面是一個共同的生活圈可是我們來看喔最近我不知道主委跟太空中心主任有沒有掌握到地方有聲音囉在5月16號有一個地方的青年意見領袖他寫了一篇貼文\n\n05:59.508 --> 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