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00:00:52,271\n在運安會的執掌裡面更應該強化有關全台灣的交通運輸的一個安全或者是其他專業上的專案延期建議這個我記得在運安會當時候成立以及成立週年的時候我也在這個地方在交通委員會曾經就美國\n\n3\n00:00:53,639 --> 00:01:18,625\n國家運輸安全委員會他們的職長他們的做法他們的有為到底是怎麼樣來提醒我們運安會也應該要做什麼我不知道主委還記得嗎是我知道你知道嘛對不對我不希望再過今年明年我同樣還要用這樣子的一個\n\n4\n00:01:20,770 --> 00:01:49,190\n標題啊為什麼因為大家對運安會的期待啊你常常會跟我們說不是啊你們通過的這個法跟我們成立的宗旨成立的這個目的跟成立現在的組織架構就是不一樣這個我覺得都是推脫改第一頁今天很多委員都在談這個三峽重大車禍造成嚴重的死傷網路謠言士氣是在於我們到目前為止還不知道真正的發生事故的原因\n\n5\n00:01:49,990 --> 00:01:56,278\n還有專業上到底誰可以給我們一個真相那當然我們也非常\n\n6\n00:01:57,661 --> 00:02:19,955\n肯定看到立案會願意主動來立案調查因為你們的調查事故的專業那會讓國人信服在信服中間還必須要是你們的調查報告是夠專業是夠取信於民而且是能夠提出真正的一個建議如何的來改善\n\n7\n00:02:20,896 --> 00:02:37,371\n接著我們目前看到國人都期待我們交通安全最重要人身安全最重要所以都期待運安會在事後調查之外阻掉延期運輸安全就我剛才一開始講的\n\n8\n00:02:38,840 --> 00:03:04,962\n主委這個現在呢剛剛我講的新北的三峽你立案要調查檢調單位現在也在調查就是司法體系也在調查我先問一個問題主委你曾經提過你跟司法單位有保持聯繫那提供專業的協助那你所謂的保持聯繫提供專業的協助是什麼部分\n\n9\n00:03:05,700 --> 00:03:16,554\n最主要是那個行車電腦EDR那個就是很專業必須用特殊的儀器把它解出來所以你提供特殊的儀器來提供檢調單位來做解析\n\n10\n00:03:17,296 --> 00:03:42,524\n對我們現在資料有跟他互通有誤還在解還在解因為他那個車子撞了之後有一些就是等於是說故障作用那你解要多久的時間以你的專業為什麼要問這個問題因為這牽涉到調查的進度也提供給檢調希望能夠有一個初步的調查結果才能夠\n\n11\n00:03:43,945 --> 00:03:58,584\n歸咎責任的歸屬嘛我們這個三峽這個案子我們下個月就會有一個初步報告然後10月份會有一個事實資料報告然後明年1月大概草案就會出來明年5月會最終報告不是我的意思是說剛剛來來來你這是兩碼之事喔\n\n12\n00:04:01,748 --> 00:04:29,188\n第一件事我剛剛的問題是你說有跟現在的司法檢調單位保持橫向聯繫你說你提供專業的去解析他的ERD那這個專業的這個東西什麼時候你可以解析完畢我剛剛還沒報告完下個月的初步報告裡面就會有EDR的資料會解出來所以你的意思是說檢調單位要等到下個月你的初步的調查報告出來\n\n13\n00:04:30,216 --> 00:04:35,278\n所以你的一定要的參數要解析出來就是下個月的這個時候會跟檢調的調查跟你們的調查報告是同步\n\n14\n00:04:50,266 --> 00:05:11,261\n你剛剛是這樣子講嘛我為什麼這樣問因為這牽涉到是我們多久可以等得到初步的調查報告或是初步的事故發生的原因初步報告是下個月會出來的對啊那因為你剛剛講你跟檢調單位都在保持聯繫啊是不是\n\n15\n00:05:12,262 --> 00:05:28,084\n我的意思是這個牽涉到我們多久需要等多久才能夠知道事故下一頁所以我在講除了事後的調查之外主要的一個運輸安全問題也可以主動研析就像剛剛很多委員提到的\n\n16\n00:05:28,544 --> 00:05:50,404\n全台灣各大重要的交通事故在公路系統方面我們有沒有收集數據有沒有來進行研析譬如說新北三峽是一個重大的交通事故那上個月台中的向上路也發生了重大的交通事故而這一個算不算在你的未來\n\n17\n00:05:51,505 --> 00:06:00,066\n因為你之前沒有立案那未來在你的公路系統的交通運輸的安全的延期裡面可不可以\n\n18\n00:06:01,380 --> 00:06:23,933\n全台灣各大公路系統的交通重大事故我們能夠來做一個盤點研析來告訴我們我們有可以有什麼樣的改善譬如說台中的向上路這一段經常發生車禍又是為什麼可以在你的報告裡面來呈現有沒有這個可能性可以做嗎主委我跟委員報告每一年交通部大安會跟運營所\n\n19\n00:06:28,556 --> 00:06:55,661\n他們都會他們有個進度檢測專案小組會對全國各熱點幾個很容易發生重大因素失誤的可是我們現在看不到你說在大外匯報裡面會有這個東西可是我們現在看不到運安會對這些已經經常發生事故的一個交通熱點到底有什麼樣的建議跟作為啊所以這個案子咧我們準備要來召集一個會議召集交通部相關器官我現在問你才說我現在要來召集一個會議喔\n\n20\n00:06:56,670 --> 00:07:07,858\n不是我們要把這個案子拿出來到底這個路段為什麼會常常發生錯誤主委我現在的重點是在於不是因為我問了你才要說我要來召開一個會議來研究解析我現在是說應該運安會的功能在你的職長在法規的要求之下本來就對於交通運輸安全的一個專案研究解析跟提供改善意見嘛\n\n21\n00:07:21,407 --> 00:07:47,394\n那全台灣有那麼多的一個交通的重大事故那你剛剛也提到道安匯報都會提供全國各縣市的一個交通意外事故的熱點那病安會的高度應該在全台灣的公路系統為什麼會有這些的重大的一個交通事故的熱點你明明可以掌握那這些數據掌握了之後你有沒有進一步的去研究為什麼\n\n22\n00:07:48,354 --> 00:08:01,084\n如果有進一步的去研究為什麼找出原因可以來提供給各個該全責單位可以去進行改善的因為這個現在已經在做了啊現在在做為什麼看不到啊因為\n\n23\n00:08:03,946 --> 00:08:09,832\n因為交通部單位我看不到你們在做什麼啊就是國人因為看不到你們在做什麼所以都對你們這個單位獨立機構的存在覺得無感啊不是因為現在交通部單位跟運營所他們已經在做每一年都在做啊每一年都在做但是呢我建議的是\n\n24\n00:08:24,679 --> 00:08:37,997\n除了運營所我們也看不到那如果我們的定安會也覺得這不是你的業務範圍不要在你的公路系統的一個交通運輸安全的一個研析立案來專案研究來盤點全台灣\n\n25\n00:08:41,823 --> 00:08:58,784\n主委你會繼續的無感存在啊我們可以把它做一個立案為什麼要這麼說在下一頁我在上一次4月17號有質詢過一個民生大家關注的議題行動電源起火國際案例頻傳影響非安\n\n26\n00:09:01,380 --> 00:09:14,994\n我以這個為例給你質詢找出問題希望你能夠延期你給我回了一個書面資料說我成立研究小組然後我會行文給要資料然後呢就這樣就沒了就沒了\n\n27\n00:09:18,462 --> 00:09:32,056\n就沒了你知道行動電源起火影響飛安甚至在高鐵上行動電源起火引起大家的恐慌這件事對人民的交通安全是多重要你有把人民的擔心放在心上嗎\n\n28\n00:09:40,438 --> 00:09:59,165\n沒有啊你就給我一頁A4的報告而已啊然後也沒寫進度啊我希望我可以看到進度行動電源為什麼起火在飛機上起火又為什麼那該怎麼辦在鐵道上面行動電源起火又該怎麼辦這個人民期待的是運安會可以給一個\n\n29\n00:10:07,574 --> 00:10:12,411\n解析專案研究找出問題給改善建議\n\n30\n00:10:14,395 --> 00:10:39,873\n讓人民安心啊這是我們認為你該更積極的部分嘛我再舉最後一個例子30秒你們自己運安會上面的網站上面就有所謂的這個志願調查系統裡面有國外的一個資訊我馬上上網去連結連結到是英國的運安的一個志願調查系統那他們呢這個\n\n31\n00:10:44,403 --> 00:10:50,135\n就在我的Ciras這是從你們網站上去連結的喔你們有提供這個連結喔\n\n32\n00:10:52,386 --> 00:11:18,102\n那你們認為這個連結是我們這個運安會裡面也有一個運輸安全志願報告系統剛剛很多委員都提到那你們也給我一個國際連結叫英國也有這樣子的系統可是你看看人家英國怎麼做英國光是我只是出錢用數據因為我沒時間啦光是一個今年四月份就提出九件的結案報告\n\n33\n00:11:19,707 --> 00:11:24,752\n你知道在你們的運安會的運安志願報告系統裡面幾件嗎?沒半件啦你們的報告內容還停到你們的公開資訊還在2024的8月2號啦還在去年的8月啦\n\n34\n00:11:42,148 --> 00:11:55,353\n人家英國你們自己連結的國際的一個運安的志願報告系統人家英國已經到2025的4月那光是4月就有9件還是結案的報告那我們自己運安會自己的運輸安全志願報告系統你一點進去還在去年的8月而且去年的8月就只有一件\n\n35\n00:12:13,797 --> 00:12:33,023\n我請那個組長不要啦我沒有時間啦這是我剛剛在我來質詢之前才上網去點進去的你們這樣子的效率你們這樣子的一個無感存在你想為什麼那麼多委員對你們那麼有意見提出那麼多的質疑\n\n36\n00:12:34,161 --> 00:12:59,585\n我跟你講喔這個志願報告系統他不是多專業喔對不起不能這樣講這個志願報告系統是任何只要跟運輸安全的從業人員跟乘客都可以提出進入這個志願報告系統所以從英國的那個CIS裡面我們看到不管是駕駛或者是他們的鐵道的管理員或者是他們的相關的從業人員都可以提出問題\n\n37\n00:13:03,686 --> 00:13:11,087\n那這個資源報告系統裡面他們就要回覆回覆就要有立案立案就要有結案\n\n38\n00:13:14,875 --> 00:13:37,718\n那同樣的你們也是仿效國外英國的這個系統你們弄了一個資源報告系統那你們又是如何在處理那有沒有效率有沒有結案有沒有給解答有沒有找出原因有沒有找解方這個其實是我們期待運安會要跟國人報告要交代的啦好不好以上謝謝好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1583\t28693\t好 謝謝林昭偉 我們請林主任委員好 應運會的林主委胡委員早早好 主委其實我想今天早上很多委員都跟本席的今天的質詢的一個重點差不多一樣重點是在於我們都期待等一下封面 謝謝我們都期待運安會不只是一個事故後調查的獨立單位\n29273\t52271\t在運安會的執掌裡面更應該強化有關全台灣的交通運輸的一個安全或者是其他專業上的專案延期建議這個我記得在運安會當時候成立以及成立週年的時候我也在這個地方在交通委員會曾經就美國\n53639\t78625\t國家運輸安全委員會他們的職長他們的做法他們的有為到底是怎麼樣來提醒我們運安會也應該要做什麼我不知道主委還記得嗎是我知道你知道嘛對不對我不希望再過今年明年我同樣還要用這樣子的一個\n80770\t109190\t標題啊 為什麼因為大家對運安會的期待啊你常常會跟我們說不是啊你們通過的這個法跟我們成立的宗旨成立的這個目的跟成立現在的組織架構就是不一樣這個我覺得都是推脫改第一頁今天很多委員都在談這個三峽重大車禍造成嚴重的死傷網路謠言士氣是在於我們到目前為止還不知道真正的發生事故的原因\n109990\t116278\t還有專業上到底誰可以給我們一個真相那當然我們也非常\n117661\t139955\t肯定看到立案會願意主動來立案調查因為你們的調查事故的專業那會讓國人信服在信服中間還必須要是你們的調查報告是夠專業是夠取信於民而且是能夠提出真正的一個建議如何的來改善\n140896\t157371\t接著我們目前看到國人都期待我們交通安全最重要人身安全最重要所以都期待運安會在事後調查之外阻掉延期運輸安全就我剛才一開始講的\n158840\t184962\t主委這個現在呢剛剛我講的新北的三峽你立案要調查檢調單位現在也在調查就是司法體系也在調查我先問一個問題主委你曾經提過你跟司法單位有保持聯繫那提供專業的協助那你所謂的保持聯繫提供專業的協助是什麼部分\n185700\t196554\t最主要是那個行車電腦EDR那個就是很專業必須用特殊的儀器把它解出來所以你提供特殊的儀器來提供檢調單位來做解析\n197296\t222524\t對 我們現在資料有跟他互通有誤 還在解還在解因為他那個車子撞了之後有一些就是等於是說故障作用那你解要多久的時間 以你的專業為什麼要問這個問題因為這牽涉到調查的進度也提供給檢調希望能夠有一個初步的調查結果才能夠\n223945\t238584\t歸咎責任的歸屬嘛我們這個三峽這個案子我們下個月就會有一個初步報告然後10月份會有一個事實資料報告然後明年1月大概草案就會出來明年5月會最終報告不是我的意思是說剛剛來來來你這是兩碼之事喔\n241748\t269188\t第一件事我剛剛的問題是你說有跟現在的司法檢調單位保持橫向聯繫你說你提供專業的去解析他的ERD那這個專業的這個東西什麼時候你可以解析完畢我剛剛還沒報告完下個月的初步報告裡面就會有EDR的資料會解出來所以你的意思是說檢調單位要等到下個月你的初步的調查報告出來\n270216\t275278\t所以你的一定要的參數要解析出來就是下個月的這個時候會跟檢調的調查跟你們的調查報告是同步\n290266\t311261\t你剛剛是這樣子講嘛我為什麼這樣問因為這牽涉到是我們多久可以等得到初步的調查報告或是初步的事故發生的原因初步報告是下個月會出來的對啊那因為你剛剛講你跟檢調單位都在保持聯繫啊是不是\n312262\t328084\t我的意思是這個牽涉到我們多久需要等多久才能夠知道事故下一頁所以我在講除了事後的調查之外主要的一個運輸安全問題也可以主動研析就像剛剛很多委員提到的\n328544\t350404\t全台灣各大重要的交通事故在公路系統方面我們有沒有收集數據有沒有來進行研析譬如說新北三峽是一個重大的交通事故那上個月台中的向上路也發生了重大的交通事故而這一個算不算在你的未來\n351505\t360066\t因為你之前沒有立案那未來在你的公路系統的交通運輸的安全的延期裡面可不可以\n361380\t383933\t全台灣各大公路系統的交通重大事故我們能夠來做一個盤點研析來告訴我們我們有可以有什麼樣的改善譬如說台中的向上路這一段經常發生車禍又是為什麼可以在你的報告裡面來呈現有沒有這個可能性可以做嗎 主委我跟委員報告每一年交通部大安會跟運營所\n388556\t415661\t他們都會 他們有個進度檢測專案小組會對全國各熱點幾個很容易發生重大因素失誤的可是我們現在看不到 你說在大外匯報裡面會有這個東西可是我們現在看不到運安會對這些已經經常發生事故的一個交通熱點到底有什麼樣的建議跟作為啊所以這個案子咧 我們準備要來召集一個會議召集交通部相關器官我現在問你才說 我現在要來召集一個會議喔\n416670\t427858\t不是我們要把這個案子拿出來到底這個路段為什麼會常常發生錯誤主委我現在的重點是在於不是因為我問了你才要說我要來召開一個會議來研究解析我現在是說應該運安會的功能在你的職長在法規的要求之下本來就對於交通運輸安全的一個專案研究解析跟提供改善意見嘛\n441407\t467394\t那全台灣有那麼多的一個交通的重大事故那你剛剛也提到道安匯報都會提供全國各縣市的一個交通意外事故的熱點那病安會的高度應該在全台灣的公路系統為什麼會有這些的重大的一個交通事故的熱點你明明可以掌握那這些數據掌握了之後你有沒有進一步的去研究為什麼\n468354\t481084\t如果有進一步的去研究為什麼找出原因可以來提供給各個該全責單位可以去進行改善的因為這個現在已經在做了啊現在在做為什麼看不到啊因為\n483946\t489832\t因為交通部單位我看不到你們在做什麼啊就是國人因為看不到你們在做什麼所以都對你們這個單位獨立機構的存在覺得無感啊不是因為現在交通部單位跟運營所他們已經在做每一年都在做啊每一年都在做但是呢我建議的是\n504679\t517997\t除了運營所我們也看不到那如果我們的定安會也覺得這不是你的業務範圍不要在你的公路系統的一個交通運輸安全的一個研析立案來專案研究來盤點全台灣\n521823\t538784\t主委你會繼續的無感存在啊我們可以把它做一個立案為什麼要這麼說在下一頁我在上一次4月17號有質詢過一個民生大家關注的議題行動電源起火國際案例頻傳影響非安\n541380\t554994\t我以這個為例給你質詢找出問題希望你能夠延期你給我回了一個書面資料說我成立研究小組然後我會行文給要資料然後呢就這樣就沒了就沒了\n558462\t572056\t就沒了 你知道行動電源起火影響飛安甚至在高鐵上行動電源起火引起大家的恐慌這件事對人民的交通安全是多重要你有把人民的擔心放在心上嗎\n580438\t599165\t沒有啊 你就給我一頁A4的報告而已啊 然後也沒寫進度啊我希望我可以看到進度行動電源為什麼起火 在飛機上起火又為什麼 那該怎麼辦在鐵道上面行動電源起火又該怎麼辦這個人民期待的是運安會可以給一個\n607574\t612411\t解析專案研究找出問題給改善建議\n614395\t639873\t讓人民安心啊這是我們認為你該更積極的部分嘛我再舉最後一個例子30秒你們自己運安會上面的網站上面就有所謂的這個志願調查系統裡面有國外的一個資訊我馬上上網去連結連結到是英國的運安的一個志願調查系統那他們呢這個\n644403\t650135\t就在我的Ciras這是從你們網站上去連結的喔你們有提供這個連結喔\n652386\t678102\t那你們認為這個連結是我們這個運安會裡面也有一個運輸安全志願報告系統剛剛很多委員都提到那你們也給我一個國際連結叫英國也有這樣子的系統可是你看看人家英國怎麼做英國光是我只是出錢用數據因為我沒時間啦光是一個今年四月份就提出九件的結案報告\n679707\t684752\t你知道在你們的運安會的運安志願報告系統裡面幾件嗎?沒半件啦你們的報告內容還停到你們的公開資訊還在2024的8月2號啦還在去年的8月啦\n702148\t715353\t人家英國你們自己連結的國際的一個運安的志願報告系統人家英國已經到2025的4月那光是4月就有9件還是結案的報告那我們自己運安會自己的運輸安全志願報告系統你一點進去還在去年的8月而且去年的8月就只有一件\n733797\t753023\t我請那個組長不要啦我沒有時間啦這是我剛剛在我來質詢之前才上網去點進去的你們這樣子的效率你們這樣子的一個無感存在你想為什麼那麼多委員對你們那麼有意見提出那麼多的質疑\n754161\t779585\t我跟你講喔 這個志願報告系統他不是多專業喔 對不起不能這樣講這個志願報告系統是任何只要跟運輸安全的從業人員跟乘客都可以提出進入這個志願報告系統所以從英國的那個CIS裡面我們看到不管是駕駛或者是他們的鐵道的管理員或者是他們的相關的從業人員都可以提出問題\n783686\t791087\t那這個資源報告系統裡面他們就要回覆回覆就要有立案 立案就要有結案\n794875\t817718\t那同樣的你們也是仿效國外英國的這個系統你們弄了一個資源報告系統那你們又是如何在處理那有沒有效率有沒有結案有沒有給解答有沒有找出原因有沒有找解方這個其實是我們期待運安會要跟國人報告要交代的啦好不好以上謝謝好\n","txt":"好 謝謝林昭偉 我們請林主任委員好 應運會的林主委胡委員早早好 主委其實我想今天早上很多委員都跟本席的今天的質詢的一個重點差不多一樣重點是在於我們都期待等一下封面 謝謝我們都期待運安會不只是一個事故後調查的獨立單位\n在運安會的執掌裡面更應該強化有關全台灣的交通運輸的一個安全或者是其他專業上的專案延期建議這個我記得在運安會當時候成立以及成立週年的時候我也在這個地方在交通委員會曾經就美國\n國家運輸安全委員會他們的職長他們的做法他們的有為到底是怎麼樣來提醒我們運安會也應該要做什麼我不知道主委還記得嗎是我知道你知道嘛對不對我不希望再過今年明年我同樣還要用這樣子的一個\n標題啊 為什麼因為大家對運安會的期待啊你常常會跟我們說不是啊你們通過的這個法跟我們成立的宗旨成立的這個目的跟成立現在的組織架構就是不一樣這個我覺得都是推脫改第一頁今天很多委員都在談這個三峽重大車禍造成嚴重的死傷網路謠言士氣是在於我們到目前為止還不知道真正的發生事故的原因\n還有專業上到底誰可以給我們一個真相那當然我們也非常\n肯定看到立案會願意主動來立案調查因為你們的調查事故的專業那會讓國人信服在信服中間還必須要是你們的調查報告是夠專業是夠取信於民而且是能夠提出真正的一個建議如何的來改善\n接著我們目前看到國人都期待我們交通安全最重要人身安全最重要所以都期待運安會在事後調查之外阻掉延期運輸安全就我剛才一開始講的\n主委這個現在呢剛剛我講的新北的三峽你立案要調查檢調單位現在也在調查就是司法體系也在調查我先問一個問題主委你曾經提過你跟司法單位有保持聯繫那提供專業的協助那你所謂的保持聯繫提供專業的協助是什麼部分\n最主要是那個行車電腦EDR那個就是很專業必須用特殊的儀器把它解出來所以你提供特殊的儀器來提供檢調單位來做解析\n對 我們現在資料有跟他互通有誤 還在解還在解因為他那個車子撞了之後有一些就是等於是說故障作用那你解要多久的時間 以你的專業為什麼要問這個問題因為這牽涉到調查的進度也提供給檢調希望能夠有一個初步的調查結果才能夠\n歸咎責任的歸屬嘛我們這個三峽這個案子我們下個月就會有一個初步報告然後10月份會有一個事實資料報告然後明年1月大概草案就會出來明年5月會最終報告不是我的意思是說剛剛來來來你這是兩碼之事喔\n第一件事我剛剛的問題是你說有跟現在的司法檢調單位保持橫向聯繫你說你提供專業的去解析他的ERD那這個專業的這個東西什麼時候你可以解析完畢我剛剛還沒報告完下個月的初步報告裡面就會有EDR的資料會解出來所以你的意思是說檢調單位要等到下個月你的初步的調查報告出來\n所以你的一定要的參數要解析出來就是下個月的這個時候會跟檢調的調查跟你們的調查報告是同步\n你剛剛是這樣子講嘛我為什麼這樣問因為這牽涉到是我們多久可以等得到初步的調查報告或是初步的事故發生的原因初步報告是下個月會出來的對啊那因為你剛剛講你跟檢調單位都在保持聯繫啊是不是\n我的意思是這個牽涉到我們多久需要等多久才能夠知道事故下一頁所以我在講除了事後的調查之外主要的一個運輸安全問題也可以主動研析就像剛剛很多委員提到的\n全台灣各大重要的交通事故在公路系統方面我們有沒有收集數據有沒有來進行研析譬如說新北三峽是一個重大的交通事故那上個月台中的向上路也發生了重大的交通事故而這一個算不算在你的未來\n因為你之前沒有立案那未來在你的公路系統的交通運輸的安全的延期裡面可不可以\n全台灣各大公路系統的交通重大事故我們能夠來做一個盤點研析來告訴我們我們有可以有什麼樣的改善譬如說台中的向上路這一段經常發生車禍又是為什麼可以在你的報告裡面來呈現有沒有這個可能性可以做嗎 主委我跟委員報告每一年交通部大安會跟運營所\n他們都會 他們有個進度檢測專案小組會對全國各熱點幾個很容易發生重大因素失誤的可是我們現在看不到 你說在大外匯報裡面會有這個東西可是我們現在看不到運安會對這些已經經常發生事故的一個交通熱點到底有什麼樣的建議跟作為啊所以這個案子咧 我們準備要來召集一個會議召集交通部相關器官我現在問你才說 我現在要來召集一個會議喔\n不是我們要把這個案子拿出來到底這個路段為什麼會常常發生錯誤主委我現在的重點是在於不是因為我問了你才要說我要來召開一個會議來研究解析我現在是說應該運安會的功能在你的職長在法規的要求之下本來就對於交通運輸安全的一個專案研究解析跟提供改善意見嘛\n那全台灣有那麼多的一個交通的重大事故那你剛剛也提到道安匯報都會提供全國各縣市的一個交通意外事故的熱點那病安會的高度應該在全台灣的公路系統為什麼會有這些的重大的一個交通事故的熱點你明明可以掌握那這些數據掌握了之後你有沒有進一步的去研究為什麼\n如果有進一步的去研究為什麼找出原因可以來提供給各個該全責單位可以去進行改善的因為這個現在已經在做了啊現在在做為什麼看不到啊因為\n因為交通部單位我看不到你們在做什麼啊就是國人因為看不到你們在做什麼所以都對你們這個單位獨立機構的存在覺得無感啊不是因為現在交通部單位跟運營所他們已經在做每一年都在做啊每一年都在做但是呢我建議的是\n除了運營所我們也看不到那如果我們的定安會也覺得這不是你的業務範圍不要在你的公路系統的一個交通運輸安全的一個研析立案來專案研究來盤點全台灣\n主委你會繼續的無感存在啊我們可以把它做一個立案為什麼要這麼說在下一頁我在上一次4月17號有質詢過一個民生大家關注的議題行動電源起火國際案例頻傳影響非安\n我以這個為例給你質詢找出問題希望你能夠延期你給我回了一個書面資料說我成立研究小組然後我會行文給要資料然後呢就這樣就沒了就沒了\n就沒了 你知道行動電源起火影響飛安甚至在高鐵上行動電源起火引起大家的恐慌這件事對人民的交通安全是多重要你有把人民的擔心放在心上嗎\n沒有啊 你就給我一頁A4的報告而已啊 然後也沒寫進度啊我希望我可以看到進度行動電源為什麼起火 在飛機上起火又為什麼 那該怎麼辦在鐵道上面行動電源起火又該怎麼辦這個人民期待的是運安會可以給一個\n解析專案研究找出問題給改善建議\n讓人民安心啊這是我們認為你該更積極的部分嘛我再舉最後一個例子30秒你們自己運安會上面的網站上面就有所謂的這個志願調查系統裡面有國外的一個資訊我馬上上網去連結連結到是英國的運安的一個志願調查系統那他們呢這個\n就在我的Ciras這是從你們網站上去連結的喔你們有提供這個連結喔\n那你們認為這個連結是我們這個運安會裡面也有一個運輸安全志願報告系統剛剛很多委員都提到那你們也給我一個國際連結叫英國也有這樣子的系統可是你看看人家英國怎麼做英國光是我只是出錢用數據因為我沒時間啦光是一個今年四月份就提出九件的結案報告\n你知道在你們的運安會的運安志願報告系統裡面幾件嗎?沒半件啦你們的報告內容還停到你們的公開資訊還在2024的8月2號啦還在去年的8月啦\n人家英國你們自己連結的國際的一個運安的志願報告系統人家英國已經到2025的4月那光是4月就有9件還是結案的報告那我們自己運安會自己的運輸安全志願報告系統你一點進去還在去年的8月而且去年的8月就只有一件\n我請那個組長不要啦我沒有時間啦這是我剛剛在我來質詢之前才上網去點進去的你們這樣子的效率你們這樣子的一個無感存在你想為什麼那麼多委員對你們那麼有意見提出那麼多的質疑\n我跟你講喔 這個志願報告系統他不是多專業喔 對不起不能這樣講這個志願報告系統是任何只要跟運輸安全的從業人員跟乘客都可以提出進入這個志願報告系統所以從英國的那個CIS裡面我們看到不管是駕駛或者是他們的鐵道的管理員或者是他們的相關的從業人員都可以提出問題\n那這個資源報告系統裡面他們就要回覆回覆就要有立案 立案就要有結案\n那同樣的你們也是仿效國外英國的這個系統你們弄了一個資源報告系統那你們又是如何在處理那有沒有效率有沒有結案有沒有給解答有沒有找出原因有沒有找解方這個其實是我們期待運安會要跟國人報告要交代的啦好不好以上謝謝好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.583 --> 00:28.693\n好謝謝林昭偉我們請林主任委員好應運會的林主委胡委員早早好主委其實我想今天早上很多委員都跟本席的今天的質詢的一個重點差不多一樣重點是在於我們都期待等一下封面謝謝我們都期待運安會不只是一個事故後調查的獨立單位\n\n00:29.273 --> 00:52.271\n在運安會的執掌裡面更應該強化有關全台灣的交通運輸的一個安全或者是其他專業上的專案延期建議這個我記得在運安會當時候成立以及成立週年的時候我也在這個地方在交通委員會曾經就美國\n\n00:53.639 --> 01:18.625\n國家運輸安全委員會他們的職長他們的做法他們的有為到底是怎麼樣來提醒我們運安會也應該要做什麼我不知道主委還記得嗎是我知道你知道嘛對不對我不希望再過今年明年我同樣還要用這樣子的一個\n\n01:20.770 --> 01:49.190\n標題啊為什麼因為大家對運安會的期待啊你常常會跟我們說不是啊你們通過的這個法跟我們成立的宗旨成立的這個目的跟成立現在的組織架構就是不一樣這個我覺得都是推脫改第一頁今天很多委員都在談這個三峽重大車禍造成嚴重的死傷網路謠言士氣是在於我們到目前為止還不知道真正的發生事故的原因\n\n01:49.990 --> 01:56.278\n還有專業上到底誰可以給我們一個真相那當然我們也非常\n\n01:57.661 --> 02:19.955\n肯定看到立案會願意主動來立案調查因為你們的調查事故的專業那會讓國人信服在信服中間還必須要是你們的調查報告是夠專業是夠取信於民而且是能夠提出真正的一個建議如何的來改善\n\n02:20.896 --> 02:37.371\n接著我們目前看到國人都期待我們交通安全最重要人身安全最重要所以都期待運安會在事後調查之外阻掉延期運輸安全就我剛才一開始講的\n\n02:38.840 --> 03:04.962\n主委這個現在呢剛剛我講的新北的三峽你立案要調查檢調單位現在也在調查就是司法體系也在調查我先問一個問題主委你曾經提過你跟司法單位有保持聯繫那提供專業的協助那你所謂的保持聯繫提供專業的協助是什麼部分\n\n03:05.700 --> 03:16.554\n最主要是那個行車電腦EDR那個就是很專業必須用特殊的儀器把它解出來所以你提供特殊的儀器來提供檢調單位來做解析\n\n03:17.296 --> 03:42.524\n對我們現在資料有跟他互通有誤還在解還在解因為他那個車子撞了之後有一些就是等於是說故障作用那你解要多久的時間以你的專業為什麼要問這個問題因為這牽涉到調查的進度也提供給檢調希望能夠有一個初步的調查結果才能夠\n\n03:43.945 --> 03:58.584\n歸咎責任的歸屬嘛我們這個三峽這個案子我們下個月就會有一個初步報告然後10月份會有一個事實資料報告然後明年1月大概草案就會出來明年5月會最終報告不是我的意思是說剛剛來來來你這是兩碼之事喔\n\n04:01.748 --> 04:29.188\n第一件事我剛剛的問題是你說有跟現在的司法檢調單位保持橫向聯繫你說你提供專業的去解析他的ERD那這個專業的這個東西什麼時候你可以解析完畢我剛剛還沒報告完下個月的初步報告裡面就會有EDR的資料會解出來所以你的意思是說檢調單位要等到下個月你的初步的調查報告出來\n\n04:30.216 --> 04:35.278\n所以你的一定要的參數要解析出來就是下個月的這個時候會跟檢調的調查跟你們的調查報告是同步\n\n04:50.266 --> 05:11.261\n你剛剛是這樣子講嘛我為什麼這樣問因為這牽涉到是我們多久可以等得到初步的調查報告或是初步的事故發生的原因初步報告是下個月會出來的對啊那因為你剛剛講你跟檢調單位都在保持聯繫啊是不是\n\n05:12.262 --> 05:28.084\n我的意思是這個牽涉到我們多久需要等多久才能夠知道事故下一頁所以我在講除了事後的調查之外主要的一個運輸安全問題也可以主動研析就像剛剛很多委員提到的\n\n05:28.544 --> 05:50.404\n全台灣各大重要的交通事故在公路系統方面我們有沒有收集數據有沒有來進行研析譬如說新北三峽是一個重大的交通事故那上個月台中的向上路也發生了重大的交通事故而這一個算不算在你的未來\n\n05:51.505 --> 06:00.066\n因為你之前沒有立案那未來在你的公路系統的交通運輸的安全的延期裡面可不可以\n\n06:01.380 --> 06:23.933\n全台灣各大公路系統的交通重大事故我們能夠來做一個盤點研析來告訴我們我們有可以有什麼樣的改善譬如說台中的向上路這一段經常發生車禍又是為什麼可以在你的報告裡面來呈現有沒有這個可能性可以做嗎主委我跟委員報告每一年交通部大安會跟運營所\n\n06:28.556 --> 06:55.661\n他們都會他們有個進度檢測專案小組會對全國各熱點幾個很容易發生重大因素失誤的可是我們現在看不到你說在大外匯報裡面會有這個東西可是我們現在看不到運安會對這些已經經常發生事故的一個交通熱點到底有什麼樣的建議跟作為啊所以這個案子咧我們準備要來召集一個會議召集交通部相關器官我現在問你才說我現在要來召集一個會議喔\n\n06:56.670 --> 07:07.858\n不是我們要把這個案子拿出來到底這個路段為什麼會常常發生錯誤主委我現在的重點是在於不是因為我問了你才要說我要來召開一個會議來研究解析我現在是說應該運安會的功能在你的職長在法規的要求之下本來就對於交通運輸安全的一個專案研究解析跟提供改善意見嘛\n\n07:21.407 --> 07:47.394\n那全台灣有那麼多的一個交通的重大事故那你剛剛也提到道安匯報都會提供全國各縣市的一個交通意外事故的熱點那病安會的高度應該在全台灣的公路系統為什麼會有這些的重大的一個交通事故的熱點你明明可以掌握那這些數據掌握了之後你有沒有進一步的去研究為什麼\n\n07:48.354 --> 08:01.084\n如果有進一步的去研究為什麼找出原因可以來提供給各個該全責單位可以去進行改善的因為這個現在已經在做了啊現在在做為什麼看不到啊因為\n\n08:03.946 --> 08:09.832\n因為交通部單位我看不到你們在做什麼啊就是國人因為看不到你們在做什麼所以都對你們這個單位獨立機構的存在覺得無感啊不是因為現在交通部單位跟運營所他們已經在做每一年都在做啊每一年都在做但是呢我建議的是\n\n08:24.679 --> 08:37.997\n除了運營所我們也看不到那如果我們的定安會也覺得這不是你的業務範圍不要在你的公路系統的一個交通運輸安全的一個研析立案來專案研究來盤點全台灣\n\n08:41.823 --> 08:58.784\n主委你會繼續的無感存在啊我們可以把它做一個立案為什麼要這麼說在下一頁我在上一次4月17號有質詢過一個民生大家關注的議題行動電源起火國際案例頻傳影響非安\n\n09:01.380 --> 09:14.994\n我以這個為例給你質詢找出問題希望你能夠延期你給我回了一個書面資料說我成立研究小組然後我會行文給要資料然後呢就這樣就沒了就沒了\n\n09:18.462 --> 09:32.056\n就沒了你知道行動電源起火影響飛安甚至在高鐵上行動電源起火引起大家的恐慌這件事對人民的交通安全是多重要你有把人民的擔心放在心上嗎\n\n09:40.438 --> 09:59.165\n沒有啊你就給我一頁A4的報告而已啊然後也沒寫進度啊我希望我可以看到進度行動電源為什麼起火在飛機上起火又為什麼那該怎麼辦在鐵道上面行動電源起火又該怎麼辦這個人民期待的是運安會可以給一個\n\n10:07.574 --> 10:12.411\n解析專案研究找出問題給改善建議\n\n10:14.395 --> 10:39.873\n讓人民安心啊這是我們認為你該更積極的部分嘛我再舉最後一個例子30秒你們自己運安會上面的網站上面就有所謂的這個志願調查系統裡面有國外的一個資訊我馬上上網去連結連結到是英國的運安的一個志願調查系統那他們呢這個\n\n10:44.403 --> 10:50.135\n就在我的Ciras這是從你們網站上去連結的喔你們有提供這個連結喔\n\n10:52.386 --> 11:18.102\n那你們認為這個連結是我們這個運安會裡面也有一個運輸安全志願報告系統剛剛很多委員都提到那你們也給我一個國際連結叫英國也有這樣子的系統可是你看看人家英國怎麼做英國光是我只是出錢用數據因為我沒時間啦光是一個今年四月份就提出九件的結案報告\n\n11:19.707 --> 11:24.752\n你知道在你們的運安會的運安志願報告系統裡面幾件嗎?沒半件啦你們的報告內容還停到你們的公開資訊還在2024的8月2號啦還在去年的8月啦\n\n11:42.148 --> 11:55.353\n人家英國你們自己連結的國際的一個運安的志願報告系統人家英國已經到2025的4月那光是4月就有9件還是結案的報告那我們自己運安會自己的運輸安全志願報告系統你一點進去還在去年的8月而且去年的8月就只有一件\n\n12:13.797 --> 12:33.023\n我請那個組長不要啦我沒有時間啦這是我剛剛在我來質詢之前才上網去點進去的你們這樣子的效率你們這樣子的一個無感存在你想為什麼那麼多委員對你們那麼有意見提出那麼多的質疑\n\n12:34.161 --> 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