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00:01:34,615\n我們就請那個劉副市長表達我們現在地方這次三個那個補助館你們的困難所在你們的問題所在來好我們總召還有我們德福委員還有立法院財委會的委員跟所有委員以及我們行政院的所有這個團隊以及媒體朋友大家早安我是新北市副市長劉和然\n\n5\n00:01:35,316 --> 00:01:53,577\n那今天是代表我們新北市尤其是我們新北市的弱勢族群來在立法院跟各位委員跟所有媒體朋友跟各位夥伴做個報告我想一般性的補助款對地方來講是非常重要的一筆預算它主要的方向在三個部分以新北市來談第一個是我們的社福\n\n6\n00:01:54,218 --> 00:02:16,653\n第二個是教育第三個是一些基礎設施跟建設所以這三塊的預算其實在地方裡面是屬於我們最接近第一線的民眾的感受所以這三筆預算我們合成起來在這一次的一般性補助款三除的30.44億裡面我們的社福預算包括一些弱勢族群包括身心障礙朋友的一些津貼就高達16.1億\n\n7\n00:02:18,954 --> 00:02:33,492\n在我們的教育預算裡面包括一些校舍的這個設施的補助或是我們孩子的營養午餐一些相關弱勢孩子的一些照顧就高達7.6億另外一個部分就是我們的第一線的一些設施道路的養護農路等\n\n8\n00:02:34,793 --> 00:02:54,571\n我們包括高灘地相關的一些設施設備的處理上就高達6.7億這30.44億其實對我們一個縣市政府來講是非常重要的而且它主要的關係人就是我們的身心障礙的朋友我們弱勢的族群我們的孩子所以在這三個面向裡面這一次的一般性補助款這樣的刪除\n\n9\n00:02:56,500 --> 00:03:11,437\n剛剛有媒體在問說是不是違法這個就尊重立法院跟院裡面來做協調可是以地方市政府的角色來看其實這是一種非常惡意的刪除我為什麼用這樣的字眼叫惡意其實都是行政部門我們都是行家\n\n10\n00:03:12,378 --> 00:03:39,426\n我們都在議會待過我自己也當了局長我很清楚統三的意義是什麼統三就是在這個議會或是所謂的立法院的刪除以後讓行政部門依照自己的施政優先數據來做一些輕重緩急的調整所以這筆統三理論上是應該把相對衝擊小影響少的來做刪除所以剛剛我在院裡面這個\n\n11\n00:03:41,818 --> 00:03:56,657\n裡面我聽到這筆預算是636億是由行政院自行調整如果這筆錢是在地方縣市政府絕對不會把這筆錢刪在我們的弱勢族群我們的孩子我們相關的預算我相信這個大概是\n\n12\n00:03:57,538 --> 00:04:12,207\n所有的民意代表也好從政者也好需要把人民放在心上把民眾放在心上非常重要的一塊所以我從來沒有聽過統三竟然是把一般性補助款的636億全部刪在一般性補助款\n\n13\n00:04:13,047 --> 00:04:37,087\n其他的部門完全不用調整這是非常不可思議的做法我們在自己的市府裡面如果議會給我們統三我們這樣子是刪除我們沒辦法面對我們的市民朋友所以還是拜託我們立法院拜託我們所有的委員所有的好朋友我們沒有要選擇來抗議什麼我們也可以辦很多的說明跟民眾講說是怎麼刪除因為我們也懂大家都是行家說行話\n\n14\n00:04:38,528 --> 00:04:56,347\n統三的精神是什麼其實大家都很清楚所以在這邊或許講得比較直接一點可是因為衝擊到的就是我們身心障礙的好朋友我們的弱勢族群我們的中低收入戶我們的學童我們的孩子所以我要很直接的表達既然是行政院自行調整\n\n15\n00:04:57,228 --> 00:05:20,029\n為什麼不能調整在其他不一樣的優先順序輕重環節的項目所以這是我們新北市特別在這邊跟總召跟我們所有委員跟所有的媒體拜託這是第一線民眾非常需要的經費請趕快調整回來讓我們好好的照顧我們的市民朋友照顧我們的國人以上是新北市政府的意見\n\n16\n00:05:20,829 --> 00:05:24,450\n好謝謝劉副市長來接下來我們請鄭副市長表達以後我再來請那個竹記長來講話來好謝謝謝謝我們林樂福委員謝謝我們趙吉仁也謝謝我們立法院各位同仁行政院各位同仁就像剛剛這個劉輝然副市長所提到的\n\n17\n00:05:43,137 --> 00:06:03,895\n一般性補助款所涉及的內容是人民最需要的內容是市民最需要的內容就是設服教育跟基礎建設我們常常聽到一句話再怎麼窮不能窮教育再怎麼苦不能苦孩子可是行政院這樣的統三就是告訴我說再怎麼不窮\n\n18\n00:06:04,756 --> 00:06:19,007\n也要窮教育再怎麼不苦也要苦孩子怎麼會把這兩個這樣子最重要的會涉及到一般性補助一般小朋友或者說中低收入戶或者是高齡者他最需要的補助這個項目來進行刪減那剛剛這個劉慧蘭副市長講的很清楚\n\n19\n00:06:24,031 --> 00:06:47,772\n那麼立法院交給行政院來進行統三其實是對行政院的一種信任信任什麼信任行政院有能力判斷什麼樣的預算的優先順序是應該要來做排序的那排序的結果是告訴我們說小朋友的津貼不重要中低收入戶的津貼不重要\n\n20\n00:06:48,593 --> 00:07:09,684\n那這個老人健保的補助不重要其他的預算比較重要那我們就很好奇什麼樣的預算比孩子的未來比教育的這些津貼更重要台中市政府從2019年開始每年代表市民上繳中央的稅收就1400億到今年更是超過2000億\n\n21\n00:07:12,225 --> 00:07:41,237\n那台中市民撇手之足努力打拼繳上來的稅的結果是我們的青年的父母連自己的小朋友的津貼都領不到中央都不給老人家要健保的補助也領不到因為中央也不給我想這不會是我們台中市民跟鄉親或者是所有地方政府想要看到的結果我想今天在場的所有縣市政府不分黨派立場基本上都一致不論手段是什麼\n\n22\n00:07:41,917 --> 00:08:10,367\n中央或給地方的一般性補助款這麼重要的金錢這麼重要的建設是一毛都不應該刪除一毛都不應該刪除更不用講說立法院這邊有討論說是不是有法律的增益跟保障這方面我們尊重立法院但是這筆錢重不重要這筆錢很重要這筆錢就是人民最重要的需要再怎麼刪也不應該刪給地方政府的一般性補助這是最重要的預算謝謝\n\n23\n00:08:11,808 --> 00:08:38,229\n好謝謝謝謝我們鄭副市長還有劉副市長那個竹記長你看他們剛剛所表達的就是齁讓你們方便結果你們自行調整有輕重緩急齁結果你們就刻意的來將社會福利啦將教育啦將這些弱勢來做砍殺講實在話人在做天在看\n\n24\n00:08:40,188 --> 00:08:53,996\n大家心知肚明你們這是刻意的那個主席長你要表達是我也跟英國人報告因為大院刪除我們2076億那通案刪減940億那940億裡面指定刪減的部分就304億那我們必須要進行調整636億但是面對這麼大一個額度的一個刪減我們是有困難\n\n25\n00:09:05,262 --> 00:09:29,074\n有輕重反擊但是你為什麼一定要把教育把這些社會福利低落弱勢的來砍殺但是立法院仍然維持決議所以我們現在還是循行政程序在釋憲那釋憲的一個結果在看這個情況講實在話你們提釋憲對立法院是非常非常的不尊重因為預算已經綜藝處理了你們還提釋憲大法官那麼大對不對\n\n26\n00:09:34,196 --> 00:09:42,320\n大家心知肚明啦從我到立法院來從來沒有這種狀況啦給你們自行調整結果你不但自行不調整又來故意砍殺這些地方的縣市政府來砍殺這些弱勢這是特別你們故意的我認為齁人民會自己去判斷啦\n\n27\n00:09:57,546 --> 00:10:11,742\n因為立法院已經大幅刪減我們的一個預算1439還大幅刪減這裡面有大陸地區的一個百分之八十拜託立憲這一次預算最多還有一個巡討會也是百分之九十所以其他的大部分\n\n28\n00:10:12,563 --> 00:10:24,714\n我們已經沒有辦法刪減了只剩下國防外交和教育那所以這個部分我們反而就不得不等這個做法那個主計長我從來沒有看過像這樣的主計長啦講實在話歷任我在立法院第七屆了我沒有看過這樣的主計長啦讓你調整讓你方便你把方便當隨便而且又這麼刻意\n\n29\n00:10:38,827 --> 00:11:00,897\n講實在話今天為什麼那麼多縣市首長來這裡講實在話你自己要深刻檢討啦對不對聽從上議你要有你自己的堅持對不對主席長你一來整個過去從來沒有發生的再次都發生了講實在話你自己要深刻的檢討你再來你還要多久對不對\n\n30\n00:11:03,478 --> 00:11:22,628\n講實在話過去從來沒有讓你們方便結果你把方便當隨便然後這樣來惡搞講實在話人民真的是看不下去啦因為行政院他一個刪減的部分他就是那個是法律義務應該要支出的要給這些地方的剛剛我還特別拿法令給你看對不對好OK好謝謝林德偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t22073\t是不是來邀請就是我們新北市的副市長劉河蘭劉副市長還有這個到我這裡來另外還有這個台中在他那裡啦台南車北巡台南我意思是說他在這裡他不可以他不可以這樣可以嗎他北巡他不可以這樣喔他不可以你執行他北巡好來好啊那個還有鄭副市長來我們台中市\n27754\t31536\t我本來是想要他們我站在旁邊然後請主計長上來然後你們的問題\n50294\t60863\t對啊 好 那開始的時候我就請那個劉副市長其實齁 主席長 主要就是讓你了解地方的問題你要上來啊請主席長一起來這樣就對 這樣就對\n71113\t94615\t我們就請那個劉副市長表達我們現在地方這次三個那個補助館你們的困難所在你們的問題所在來好我們總召還有我們德福委員還有立法院財委會的委員跟所有委員以及我們行政院的所有這個團隊以及媒體朋友大家早安我是新北市副市長劉和然\n95316\t113577\t那今天是代表我們新北市尤其是我們新北市的弱勢族群來在立法院跟各位委員跟所有媒體朋友跟各位夥伴做個報告我想一般性的補助款對地方來講是非常重要的一筆預算它主要的方向在三個部分以新北市來談第一個是我們的社福\n114218\t136653\t第二個是教育第三個是一些基礎設施跟建設所以這三塊的預算其實在地方裡面是屬於我們最接近第一線的民眾的感受所以這三筆預算我們合成起來在這一次的一般性補助款三除的30.44億裡面我們的社福預算包括一些弱勢族群包括身心障礙朋友的一些津貼就高達16.1億\n138954\t153492\t在我們的教育預算裡面包括一些校舍的這個設施的補助或是我們孩子的營養午餐一些相關弱勢孩子的一些照顧就高達7.6億另外一個部分就是我們的第一線的一些設施道路的養護 農路等\n154793\t174571\t我們包括高灘地相關的一些設施設備的處理上就高達6.7億這30.44億其實對我們一個縣市政府來講是非常重要的而且它主要的關係人就是我們的身心障礙的朋友我們弱勢的族群我們的孩子所以在這三個面向裡面這一次的一般性補助款這樣的刪除\n176500\t191437\t剛剛有媒體在問說是不是違法這個就尊重立法院跟院裡面來做協調可是以地方市政府的角色來看其實這是一種非常惡意的刪除我為什麼用這樣的字眼叫惡意其實都是行政部門我們都是行家\n192378\t219426\t我們都在議會待過我自己也當了局長我很清楚統三的意義是什麼統三就是在這個議會或是所謂的立法院的刪除以後讓行政部門依照自己的施政優先數據來做一些輕重緩急的調整所以這筆統三理論上是應該把相對衝擊小影響少的來做刪除所以剛剛我在院裡面這個\n221818\t236657\t裡面我聽到這筆預算是636億是由行政院自行調整如果這筆錢是在地方縣市政府絕對不會把這筆錢刪在我們的弱勢族群我們的孩子 我們相關的預算我相信這個大概是\n237538\t252207\t所有的民意代表也好從政者也好需要把人民放在心上把民眾放在心上非常重要的一塊所以我從來沒有聽過統三竟然是把一般性補助款的636億全部刪在一般性補助款\n253047\t277087\t其他的部門完全不用調整這是非常不可思議的做法我們在自己的市府裡面如果議會給我們統三我們這樣子是刪除我們沒辦法面對我們的市民朋友所以還是拜託我們立法院拜託我們所有的委員所有的好朋友我們沒有要選擇來抗議什麼我們也可以辦很多的說明跟民眾講說是怎麼刪除因為我們也懂大家都是行家說行話\n278528\t296347\t統三的精神是什麼其實大家都很清楚所以在這邊或許講得比較直接一點可是因為衝擊到的就是我們身心障礙的好朋友我們的弱勢族群我們的中低收入戶我們的學童我們的孩子所以我要很直接的表達既然是行政院自行調整\n297228\t320029\t為什麼不能調整在其他不一樣的優先順序輕重環節的項目所以這是我們新北市特別在這邊跟總召跟我們所有委員跟所有的媒體拜託這是第一線民眾非常需要的經費請趕快調整回來讓我們好好的照顧我們的市民朋友照顧我們的國人以上是新北市政府的意見\n320829\t324450\t好 謝謝劉副市長來 接下來我們請鄭副市長表達以後我再來請那個竹記長來講話來好 謝謝 謝謝我們林樂福委員謝謝我們趙吉仁也謝謝我們立法院各位同仁 行政院各位同仁就像剛剛這個劉輝然副市長所提到的\n343137\t363895\t一般性補助款所涉及的內容是人民最需要的內容是市民最需要的內容就是設服教育跟基礎建設我們常常聽到一句話再怎麼窮不能窮教育再怎麼苦不能苦孩子可是行政院這樣的統三就是告訴我說再怎麼不窮\n364756\t379007\t也要窮教育再怎麼不苦也要苦孩子怎麼會把這兩個這樣子最重要的會涉及到一般性補助一般小朋友或者說中低收入戶或者是高齡者他最需要的補助這個項目來進行刪減那剛剛這個劉慧蘭副市長講的很清楚\n384031\t407772\t那麼立法院交給行政院來進行統三其實是對行政院的一種信任信任什麼信任行政院有能力判斷什麼樣的預算的優先順序是應該要來做排序的那排序的結果是告訴我們說小朋友的津貼不重要中低收入戶的津貼不重要\n408593\t429684\t那這個老人健保的補助不重要其他的預算比較重要那我們就很好奇什麼樣的預算比孩子的未來比教育的這些津貼更重要台中市政府從2019年開始每年代表市民上繳中央的稅收就1400億到今年更是超過2000億\n432225\t461237\t那台中市民撇手之足努力打拼繳上來的稅的結果是我們的青年的父母連自己的小朋友的津貼都領不到中央都不給老人家要健保的補助也領不到因為中央也不給我想這不會是我們台中市民跟鄉親或者是所有地方政府想要看到的結果我想今天在場的所有縣市政府不分黨派立場基本上都一致不論手段是什麼\n461917\t490367\t中央或給地方的一般性補助款這麼重要的金錢這麼重要的建設是一毛都不應該刪除一毛都不應該刪除更不用講說立法院這邊有討論說是不是有法律的增益跟保障這方面我們尊重立法院但是這筆錢重不重要這筆錢很重要這筆錢就是人民最重要的需要再怎麼刪也不應該刪給地方政府的一般性補助這是最重要的預算謝謝\n491808\t518229\t好 謝謝 謝謝我們鄭副市長還有劉副市長那個竹記長你看他們剛剛所表達的就是齁讓你們方便結果你們自行調整有輕重緩急齁結果你們就刻意的來將社會福利啦將教育啦將這些弱勢來做砍殺講實在話人在做天在看\n520188\t533996\t大家心知肚明你們這是刻意的那個主席長你要表達是我也跟英國人報告因為大院刪除我們2076億那通案刪減940億那940億裡面指定刪減的部分就304億那我們必須要進行調整636億但是面對這麼大一個額度的一個刪減我們是有困難\n545262\t569074\t有輕重反擊 但是你為什麼一定要把教育 把這些社會福利 低落弱勢的來砍殺但是立法院仍然維持決議所以我們現在還是循行政程序在釋憲那釋憲的一個結果在看這個情況講實在話 你們提釋憲對立法院是非常非常的不尊重因為預算已經綜藝處理了 你們還提釋憲大法官那麼大 對不對\n574196\t582320\t大家心知肚明啦 從我到立法院來從來沒有這種狀況啦給你們自行調整 結果你不但自行不調整又來故意砍殺這些地方的縣市政府來砍殺這些弱勢 這是特別你們故意的我認為齁 人民會自己去判斷啦\n597546\t611742\t因為立法院已經大幅刪減我們的一個預算1439還大幅刪減這裡面有大陸地區的一個百分之八十拜託 立憲這一次預算最多還有一個巡討會也是百分之九十所以其他的大部分\n612563\t624714\t我們已經沒有辦法刪減了 只剩下國防 外交和教育那所以這個部分我們反而就不得不等這個做法那個主計長我從來沒有看過像這樣的主計長啦 講實在話歷任我在立法院第七屆了 我沒有看過這樣的主計長啦讓你調整 讓你方便 你把方便當隨便 而且又這麼刻意\n638827\t660897\t講實在話今天為什麼那麼多縣市首長來這裡講實在話你自己要深刻檢討啦對不對聽從上議你要有你自己的堅持對不對主席長你一來整個過去從來沒有發生的再次都發生了講實在話你自己要深刻的檢討你再來你還要多久對不對\n663478\t682628\t講實在話過去從來沒有讓你們方便結果你把方便當隨便然後這樣來惡搞講實在話人民真的是看不下去啦因為行政院他一個刪減的部分他就是那個是法律義務應該要支出的要給這些地方的剛剛我還特別拿法令給你看對不對好 OK好 謝謝林德偉\n","txt":"是不是來邀請就是我們新北市的副市長劉河蘭劉副市長還有這個到我這裡來另外還有這個台中在他那裡啦台南車北巡台南我意思是說他在這裡他不可以他不可以這樣可以嗎他北巡他不可以這樣喔他不可以你執行他北巡好來好啊那個還有鄭副市長來我們台中市\n我本來是想要他們我站在旁邊然後請主計長上來然後你們的問題\n對啊 好 那開始的時候我就請那個劉副市長其實齁 主席長 主要就是讓你了解地方的問題你要上來啊請主席長一起來這樣就對 這樣就對\n我們就請那個劉副市長表達我們現在地方這次三個那個補助館你們的困難所在你們的問題所在來好我們總召還有我們德福委員還有立法院財委會的委員跟所有委員以及我們行政院的所有這個團隊以及媒體朋友大家早安我是新北市副市長劉和然\n那今天是代表我們新北市尤其是我們新北市的弱勢族群來在立法院跟各位委員跟所有媒體朋友跟各位夥伴做個報告我想一般性的補助款對地方來講是非常重要的一筆預算它主要的方向在三個部分以新北市來談第一個是我們的社福\n第二個是教育第三個是一些基礎設施跟建設所以這三塊的預算其實在地方裡面是屬於我們最接近第一線的民眾的感受所以這三筆預算我們合成起來在這一次的一般性補助款三除的30.44億裡面我們的社福預算包括一些弱勢族群包括身心障礙朋友的一些津貼就高達16.1億\n在我們的教育預算裡面包括一些校舍的這個設施的補助或是我們孩子的營養午餐一些相關弱勢孩子的一些照顧就高達7.6億另外一個部分就是我們的第一線的一些設施道路的養護 農路等\n我們包括高灘地相關的一些設施設備的處理上就高達6.7億這30.44億其實對我們一個縣市政府來講是非常重要的而且它主要的關係人就是我們的身心障礙的朋友我們弱勢的族群我們的孩子所以在這三個面向裡面這一次的一般性補助款這樣的刪除\n剛剛有媒體在問說是不是違法這個就尊重立法院跟院裡面來做協調可是以地方市政府的角色來看其實這是一種非常惡意的刪除我為什麼用這樣的字眼叫惡意其實都是行政部門我們都是行家\n我們都在議會待過我自己也當了局長我很清楚統三的意義是什麼統三就是在這個議會或是所謂的立法院的刪除以後讓行政部門依照自己的施政優先數據來做一些輕重緩急的調整所以這筆統三理論上是應該把相對衝擊小影響少的來做刪除所以剛剛我在院裡面這個\n裡面我聽到這筆預算是636億是由行政院自行調整如果這筆錢是在地方縣市政府絕對不會把這筆錢刪在我們的弱勢族群我們的孩子 我們相關的預算我相信這個大概是\n所有的民意代表也好從政者也好需要把人民放在心上把民眾放在心上非常重要的一塊所以我從來沒有聽過統三竟然是把一般性補助款的636億全部刪在一般性補助款\n其他的部門完全不用調整這是非常不可思議的做法我們在自己的市府裡面如果議會給我們統三我們這樣子是刪除我們沒辦法面對我們的市民朋友所以還是拜託我們立法院拜託我們所有的委員所有的好朋友我們沒有要選擇來抗議什麼我們也可以辦很多的說明跟民眾講說是怎麼刪除因為我們也懂大家都是行家說行話\n統三的精神是什麼其實大家都很清楚所以在這邊或許講得比較直接一點可是因為衝擊到的就是我們身心障礙的好朋友我們的弱勢族群我們的中低收入戶我們的學童我們的孩子所以我要很直接的表達既然是行政院自行調整\n為什麼不能調整在其他不一樣的優先順序輕重環節的項目所以這是我們新北市特別在這邊跟總召跟我們所有委員跟所有的媒體拜託這是第一線民眾非常需要的經費請趕快調整回來讓我們好好的照顧我們的市民朋友照顧我們的國人以上是新北市政府的意見\n好 謝謝劉副市長來 接下來我們請鄭副市長表達以後我再來請那個竹記長來講話來好 謝謝 謝謝我們林樂福委員謝謝我們趙吉仁也謝謝我們立法院各位同仁 行政院各位同仁就像剛剛這個劉輝然副市長所提到的\n一般性補助款所涉及的內容是人民最需要的內容是市民最需要的內容就是設服教育跟基礎建設我們常常聽到一句話再怎麼窮不能窮教育再怎麼苦不能苦孩子可是行政院這樣的統三就是告訴我說再怎麼不窮\n也要窮教育再怎麼不苦也要苦孩子怎麼會把這兩個這樣子最重要的會涉及到一般性補助一般小朋友或者說中低收入戶或者是高齡者他最需要的補助這個項目來進行刪減那剛剛這個劉慧蘭副市長講的很清楚\n那麼立法院交給行政院來進行統三其實是對行政院的一種信任信任什麼信任行政院有能力判斷什麼樣的預算的優先順序是應該要來做排序的那排序的結果是告訴我們說小朋友的津貼不重要中低收入戶的津貼不重要\n那這個老人健保的補助不重要其他的預算比較重要那我們就很好奇什麼樣的預算比孩子的未來比教育的這些津貼更重要台中市政府從2019年開始每年代表市民上繳中央的稅收就1400億到今年更是超過2000億\n那台中市民撇手之足努力打拼繳上來的稅的結果是我們的青年的父母連自己的小朋友的津貼都領不到中央都不給老人家要健保的補助也領不到因為中央也不給我想這不會是我們台中市民跟鄉親或者是所有地方政府想要看到的結果我想今天在場的所有縣市政府不分黨派立場基本上都一致不論手段是什麼\n中央或給地方的一般性補助款這麼重要的金錢這麼重要的建設是一毛都不應該刪除一毛都不應該刪除更不用講說立法院這邊有討論說是不是有法律的增益跟保障這方面我們尊重立法院但是這筆錢重不重要這筆錢很重要這筆錢就是人民最重要的需要再怎麼刪也不應該刪給地方政府的一般性補助這是最重要的預算謝謝\n好 謝謝 謝謝我們鄭副市長還有劉副市長那個竹記長你看他們剛剛所表達的就是齁讓你們方便結果你們自行調整有輕重緩急齁結果你們就刻意的來將社會福利啦將教育啦將這些弱勢來做砍殺講實在話人在做天在看\n大家心知肚明你們這是刻意的那個主席長你要表達是我也跟英國人報告因為大院刪除我們2076億那通案刪減940億那940億裡面指定刪減的部分就304億那我們必須要進行調整636億但是面對這麼大一個額度的一個刪減我們是有困難\n有輕重反擊 但是你為什麼一定要把教育 把這些社會福利 低落弱勢的來砍殺但是立法院仍然維持決議所以我們現在還是循行政程序在釋憲那釋憲的一個結果在看這個情況講實在話 你們提釋憲對立法院是非常非常的不尊重因為預算已經綜藝處理了 你們還提釋憲大法官那麼大 對不對\n大家心知肚明啦 從我到立法院來從來沒有這種狀況啦給你們自行調整 結果你不但自行不調整又來故意砍殺這些地方的縣市政府來砍殺這些弱勢 這是特別你們故意的我認為齁 人民會自己去判斷啦\n因為立法院已經大幅刪減我們的一個預算1439還大幅刪減這裡面有大陸地區的一個百分之八十拜託 立憲這一次預算最多還有一個巡討會也是百分之九十所以其他的大部分\n我們已經沒有辦法刪減了 只剩下國防 外交和教育那所以這個部分我們反而就不得不等這個做法那個主計長我從來沒有看過像這樣的主計長啦 講實在話歷任我在立法院第七屆了 我沒有看過這樣的主計長啦讓你調整 讓你方便 你把方便當隨便 而且又這麼刻意\n講實在話今天為什麼那麼多縣市首長來這裡講實在話你自己要深刻檢討啦對不對聽從上議你要有你自己的堅持對不對主席長你一來整個過去從來沒有發生的再次都發生了講實在話你自己要深刻的檢討你再來你還要多久對不對\n講實在話過去從來沒有讓你們方便結果你把方便當隨便然後這樣來惡搞講實在話人民真的是看不下去啦因為行政院他一個刪減的部分他就是那個是法律義務應該要支出的要給這些地方的剛剛我還特別拿法令給你看對不對好 OK好 謝謝林德偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:22.073\n是不是來邀請就是我們新北市的副市長劉河蘭劉副市長還有這個到我這裡來另外還有這個台中在他那裡啦台南車北巡台南我意思是說他在這裡他不可以他不可以這樣可以嗎他北巡他不可以這樣喔他不可以你執行他北巡好來好啊那個還有鄭副市長來我們台中市\n\n00:27.754 --> 00:31.536\n我本來是想要他們我站在旁邊然後請主計長上來然後你們的問題\n\n00:50.294 --> 01:00.863\n對啊好那開始的時候我就請那個劉副市長其實齁主席長主要就是讓你了解地方的問題你要上來啊請主席長一起來這樣就對這樣就對\n\n01:11.113 --> 01:34.615\n我們就請那個劉副市長表達我們現在地方這次三個那個補助館你們的困難所在你們的問題所在來好我們總召還有我們德福委員還有立法院財委會的委員跟所有委員以及我們行政院的所有這個團隊以及媒體朋友大家早安我是新北市副市長劉和然\n\n01:35.316 --> 01:53.577\n那今天是代表我們新北市尤其是我們新北市的弱勢族群來在立法院跟各位委員跟所有媒體朋友跟各位夥伴做個報告我想一般性的補助款對地方來講是非常重要的一筆預算它主要的方向在三個部分以新北市來談第一個是我們的社福\n\n01:54.218 --> 02:16.653\n第二個是教育第三個是一些基礎設施跟建設所以這三塊的預算其實在地方裡面是屬於我們最接近第一線的民眾的感受所以這三筆預算我們合成起來在這一次的一般性補助款三除的30.44億裡面我們的社福預算包括一些弱勢族群包括身心障礙朋友的一些津貼就高達16.1億\n\n02:18.954 --> 02:33.492\n在我們的教育預算裡面包括一些校舍的這個設施的補助或是我們孩子的營養午餐一些相關弱勢孩子的一些照顧就高達7.6億另外一個部分就是我們的第一線的一些設施道路的養護農路等\n\n02:34.793 --> 02:54.571\n我們包括高灘地相關的一些設施設備的處理上就高達6.7億這30.44億其實對我們一個縣市政府來講是非常重要的而且它主要的關係人就是我們的身心障礙的朋友我們弱勢的族群我們的孩子所以在這三個面向裡面這一次的一般性補助款這樣的刪除\n\n02:56.500 --> 03:11.437\n剛剛有媒體在問說是不是違法這個就尊重立法院跟院裡面來做協調可是以地方市政府的角色來看其實這是一種非常惡意的刪除我為什麼用這樣的字眼叫惡意其實都是行政部門我們都是行家\n\n03:12.378 --> 03:39.426\n我們都在議會待過我自己也當了局長我很清楚統三的意義是什麼統三就是在這個議會或是所謂的立法院的刪除以後讓行政部門依照自己的施政優先數據來做一些輕重緩急的調整所以這筆統三理論上是應該把相對衝擊小影響少的來做刪除所以剛剛我在院裡面這個\n\n03:41.818 --> 03:56.657\n裡面我聽到這筆預算是636億是由行政院自行調整如果這筆錢是在地方縣市政府絕對不會把這筆錢刪在我們的弱勢族群我們的孩子我們相關的預算我相信這個大概是\n\n03:57.538 --> 04:12.207\n所有的民意代表也好從政者也好需要把人民放在心上把民眾放在心上非常重要的一塊所以我從來沒有聽過統三竟然是把一般性補助款的636億全部刪在一般性補助款\n\n04:13.047 --> 04:37.087\n其他的部門完全不用調整這是非常不可思議的做法我們在自己的市府裡面如果議會給我們統三我們這樣子是刪除我們沒辦法面對我們的市民朋友所以還是拜託我們立法院拜託我們所有的委員所有的好朋友我們沒有要選擇來抗議什麼我們也可以辦很多的說明跟民眾講說是怎麼刪除因為我們也懂大家都是行家說行話\n\n04:38.528 --> 04:56.347\n統三的精神是什麼其實大家都很清楚所以在這邊或許講得比較直接一點可是因為衝擊到的就是我們身心障礙的好朋友我們的弱勢族群我們的中低收入戶我們的學童我們的孩子所以我要很直接的表達既然是行政院自行調整\n\n04:57.228 --> 05:20.029\n為什麼不能調整在其他不一樣的優先順序輕重環節的項目所以這是我們新北市特別在這邊跟總召跟我們所有委員跟所有的媒體拜託這是第一線民眾非常需要的經費請趕快調整回來讓我們好好的照顧我們的市民朋友照顧我們的國人以上是新北市政府的意見\n\n05:20.829 --> 05:24.450\n好謝謝劉副市長來接下來我們請鄭副市長表達以後我再來請那個竹記長來講話來好謝謝謝謝我們林樂福委員謝謝我們趙吉仁也謝謝我們立法院各位同仁行政院各位同仁就像剛剛這個劉輝然副市長所提到的\n\n05:43.137 --> 06:03.895\n一般性補助款所涉及的內容是人民最需要的內容是市民最需要的內容就是設服教育跟基礎建設我們常常聽到一句話再怎麼窮不能窮教育再怎麼苦不能苦孩子可是行政院這樣的統三就是告訴我說再怎麼不窮\n\n06:04.756 --> 06:19.007\n也要窮教育再怎麼不苦也要苦孩子怎麼會把這兩個這樣子最重要的會涉及到一般性補助一般小朋友或者說中低收入戶或者是高齡者他最需要的補助這個項目來進行刪減那剛剛這個劉慧蘭副市長講的很清楚\n\n06:24.031 --> 06:47.772\n那麼立法院交給行政院來進行統三其實是對行政院的一種信任信任什麼信任行政院有能力判斷什麼樣的預算的優先順序是應該要來做排序的那排序的結果是告訴我們說小朋友的津貼不重要中低收入戶的津貼不重要\n\n06:48.593 --> 07:09.684\n那這個老人健保的補助不重要其他的預算比較重要那我們就很好奇什麼樣的預算比孩子的未來比教育的這些津貼更重要台中市政府從2019年開始每年代表市民上繳中央的稅收就1400億到今年更是超過2000億\n\n07:12.225 --> 07:41.237\n那台中市民撇手之足努力打拼繳上來的稅的結果是我們的青年的父母連自己的小朋友的津貼都領不到中央都不給老人家要健保的補助也領不到因為中央也不給我想這不會是我們台中市民跟鄉親或者是所有地方政府想要看到的結果我想今天在場的所有縣市政府不分黨派立場基本上都一致不論手段是什麼\n\n07:41.917 --> 08:10.367\n中央或給地方的一般性補助款這麼重要的金錢這麼重要的建設是一毛都不應該刪除一毛都不應該刪除更不用講說立法院這邊有討論說是不是有法律的增益跟保障這方面我們尊重立法院但是這筆錢重不重要這筆錢很重要這筆錢就是人民最重要的需要再怎麼刪也不應該刪給地方政府的一般性補助這是最重要的預算謝謝\n\n08:11.808 --> 08:38.229\n好謝謝謝謝我們鄭副市長還有劉副市長那個竹記長你看他們剛剛所表達的就是齁讓你們方便結果你們自行調整有輕重緩急齁結果你們就刻意的來將社會福利啦將教育啦將這些弱勢來做砍殺講實在話人在做天在看\n\n08:40.188 --> 08:53.996\n大家心知肚明你們這是刻意的那個主席長你要表達是我也跟英國人報告因為大院刪除我們2076億那通案刪減940億那940億裡面指定刪減的部分就304億那我們必須要進行調整636億但是面對這麼大一個額度的一個刪減我們是有困難\n\n09:05.262 --> 09:29.074\n有輕重反擊但是你為什麼一定要把教育把這些社會福利低落弱勢的來砍殺但是立法院仍然維持決議所以我們現在還是循行政程序在釋憲那釋憲的一個結果在看這個情況講實在話你們提釋憲對立法院是非常非常的不尊重因為預算已經綜藝處理了你們還提釋憲大法官那麼大對不對\n\n09:34.196 --> 09:42.320\n大家心知肚明啦從我到立法院來從來沒有這種狀況啦給你們自行調整結果你不但自行不調整又來故意砍殺這些地方的縣市政府來砍殺這些弱勢這是特別你們故意的我認為齁人民會自己去判斷啦\n\n09:57.546 --> 10:11.742\n因為立法院已經大幅刪減我們的一個預算1439還大幅刪減這裡面有大陸地區的一個百分之八十拜託立憲這一次預算最多還有一個巡討會也是百分之九十所以其他的大部分\n\n10:12.563 --> 10:24.714\n我們已經沒有辦法刪減了只剩下國防外交和教育那所以這個部分我們反而就不得不等這個做法那個主計長我從來沒有看過像這樣的主計長啦講實在話歷任我在立法院第七屆了我沒有看過這樣的主計長啦讓你調整讓你方便你把方便當隨便而且又這麼刻意\n\n10:38.827 --> 11:00.897\n講實在話今天為什麼那麼多縣市首長來這裡講實在話你自己要深刻檢討啦對不對聽從上議你要有你自己的堅持對不對主席長你一來整個過去從來沒有發生的再次都發生了講實在話你自己要深刻的檢討你再來你還要多久對不對\n\n11:03.478 --> 11:22.628\n講實在話過去從來沒有讓你們方便結果你把方便當隨便然後這樣來惡搞講實在話人民真的是看不下去啦因為行政院他一個刪減的部分他就是那個是法律義務應該要支出的要給這些地方的剛剛我還特別拿法令給你看對不對好OK好謝謝林德偉\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.089,"end":22.073,"text":"是不是來邀請就是我們新北市的副市長劉河蘭劉副市長還有這個到我這裡來另外還有這個台中在他那裡啦台南車北巡台南我意思是說他在這裡他不可以他不可以這樣可以嗎他北巡他不可以這樣喔他不可以你執行他北巡好來好啊那個還有鄭副市長來我們台中市"},{"start":27.754,"end":31.536,"text":"我本來是想要他們我站在旁邊然後請主計長上來然後你們的問題"},{"start":50.294,"end":60.863,"text":"對啊 好 那開始的時候我就請那個劉副市長其實齁 主席長 主要就是讓你了解地方的問題你要上來啊請主席長一起來這樣就對 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我們相關的預算我相信這個大概是"},{"start":237.538,"end":252.207,"text":"所有的民意代表也好從政者也好需要把人民放在心上把民眾放在心上非常重要的一塊所以我從來沒有聽過統三竟然是把一般性補助款的636億全部刪在一般性補助款"},{"start":253.047,"end":277.087,"text":"其他的部門完全不用調整這是非常不可思議的做法我們在自己的市府裡面如果議會給我們統三我們這樣子是刪除我們沒辦法面對我們的市民朋友所以還是拜託我們立法院拜託我們所有的委員所有的好朋友我們沒有要選擇來抗議什麼我們也可以辦很多的說明跟民眾講說是怎麼刪除因為我們也懂大家都是行家說行話"},{"start":278.528,"end":296.347,"text":"統三的精神是什麼其實大家都很清楚所以在這邊或許講得比較直接一點可是因為衝擊到的就是我們身心障礙的好朋友我們的弱勢族群我們的中低收入戶我們的學童我們的孩子所以我要很直接的表達既然是行政院自行調整"},{"start":297.228,"end":320.029,"text":"為什麼不能調整在其他不一樣的優先順序輕重環節的項目所以這是我們新北市特別在這邊跟總召跟我們所有委員跟所有的媒體拜託這是第一線民眾非常需要的經費請趕快調整回來讓我們好好的照顧我們的市民朋友照顧我們的國人以上是新北市政府的意見"},{"start":320.829,"end":324.45,"text":"好 謝謝劉副市長來 接下來我們請鄭副市長表達以後我再來請那個竹記長來講話來好 謝謝 謝謝我們林樂福委員謝謝我們趙吉仁也謝謝我們立法院各位同仁 行政院各位同仁就像剛剛這個劉輝然副市長所提到的"},{"start":343.137,"end":363.895,"text":"一般性補助款所涉及的內容是人民最需要的內容是市民最需要的內容就是設服教育跟基礎建設我們常常聽到一句話再怎麼窮不能窮教育再怎麼苦不能苦孩子可是行政院這樣的統三就是告訴我說再怎麼不窮"},{"start":364.756,"end":379.007,"text":"也要窮教育再怎麼不苦也要苦孩子怎麼會把這兩個這樣子最重要的會涉及到一般性補助一般小朋友或者說中低收入戶或者是高齡者他最需要的補助這個項目來進行刪減那剛剛這個劉慧蘭副市長講的很清楚"},{"start":384.031,"end":407.772,"text":"那麼立法院交給行政院來進行統三其實是對行政院的一種信任信任什麼信任行政院有能力判斷什麼樣的預算的優先順序是應該要來做排序的那排序的結果是告訴我們說小朋友的津貼不重要中低收入戶的津貼不重要"},{"start":408.593,"end":429.684,"text":"那這個老人健保的補助不重要其他的預算比較重要那我們就很好奇什麼樣的預算比孩子的未來比教育的這些津貼更重要台中市政府從2019年開始每年代表市民上繳中央的稅收就1400億到今年更是超過2000億"},{"start":432.225,"end":461.237,"text":"那台中市民撇手之足努力打拼繳上來的稅的結果是我們的青年的父母連自己的小朋友的津貼都領不到中央都不給老人家要健保的補助也領不到因為中央也不給我想這不會是我們台中市民跟鄉親或者是所有地方政府想要看到的結果我想今天在場的所有縣市政府不分黨派立場基本上都一致不論手段是什麼"},{"start":461.917,"end":490.367,"text":"中央或給地方的一般性補助款這麼重要的金錢這麼重要的建設是一毛都不應該刪除一毛都不應該刪除更不用講說立法院這邊有討論說是不是有法律的增益跟保障這方面我們尊重立法院但是這筆錢重不重要這筆錢很重要這筆錢就是人民最重要的需要再怎麼刪也不應該刪給地方政府的一般性補助這是最重要的預算謝謝"},{"start":491.808,"end":518.229,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝我們鄭副市長還有劉副市長那個竹記長你看他們剛剛所表達的就是齁讓你們方便結果你們自行調整有輕重緩急齁結果你們就刻意的來將社會福利啦將教育啦將這些弱勢來做砍殺講實在話人在做天在看"},{"start":520.188,"end":533.996,"text":"大家心知肚明你們這是刻意的那個主席長你要表達是我也跟英國人報告因為大院刪除我們2076億那通案刪減940億那940億裡面指定刪減的部分就304億那我們必須要進行調整636億但是面對這麼大一個額度的一個刪減我們是有困難"},{"start":545.262,"end":569.074,"text":"有輕重反擊 但是你為什麼一定要把教育 把這些社會福利 低落弱勢的來砍殺但是立法院仍然維持決議所以我們現在還是循行政程序在釋憲那釋憲的一個結果在看這個情況講實在話 你們提釋憲對立法院是非常非常的不尊重因為預算已經綜藝處理了 你們還提釋憲大法官那麼大 對不對"},{"start":574.196,"end":582.32,"text":"大家心知肚明啦 從我到立法院來從來沒有這種狀況啦給你們自行調整 結果你不但自行不調整又來故意砍殺這些地方的縣市政府來砍殺這些弱勢 這是特別你們故意的我認為齁 人民會自己去判斷啦"},{"start":597.546,"end":611.742,"text":"因為立法院已經大幅刪減我們的一個預算1439還大幅刪減這裡面有大陸地區的一個百分之八十拜託 立憲這一次預算最多還有一個巡討會也是百分之九十所以其他的大部分"},{"start":612.563,"end":624.714,"text":"我們已經沒有辦法刪減了 只剩下國防 外交和教育那所以這個部分我們反而就不得不等這個做法那個主計長我從來沒有看過像這樣的主計長啦 講實在話歷任我在立法院第七屆了 我沒有看過這樣的主計長啦讓你調整 讓你方便 你把方便當隨便 而且又這麼刻意"},{"start":638.827,"end":660.897,"text":"講實在話今天為什麼那麼多縣市首長來這裡講實在話你自己要深刻檢討啦對不對聽從上議你要有你自己的堅持對不對主席長你一來整個過去從來沒有發生的再次都發生了講實在話你自己要深刻的檢討你再來你還要多久對不對"},{"start":663.478,"end":682.628,"text":"講實在話過去從來沒有讓你們方便結果你把方便當隨便然後這樣來惡搞講實在話人民真的是看不下去啦因為行政院他一個刪減的部分他就是那個是法律義務應該要支出的要給這些地方的剛剛我還特別拿法令給你看對不對好 OK好 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