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00:01:49,147\n卓院长开记者会的时候你有特别提到一些因应措施吗那现在问题确实是出现了那是不是也请劳发署这边我看到也是非常认真就是有到就是有去做一些访试那提出一些问题那我想请教我们劳动部这边针对这一部分你们除了就是有这个充电在出发的这个训练计划之外那是不是还有其他的这个因应方式\n\n5\n00:01:50,820 --> 00:02:19,362\n其實現在當然針對減半休息的部分幾個最主要的當然一個是充電車出發另外是規模安定措施那規模安定措施現在它的範圍是不是要來做產業上面的擴大我們有把機制給重新做了一個檢討跟設定那的確現在針對什麼時候這個包括它的範圍產業的範圍要擴大這部分我們會來跟經濟部來做研討那也就是說如果確實看到減半休息的狀況\n\n6\n00:02:20,863 --> 00:02:37,115\n接下來繼續的擴大的話那我們會是時候就來把這個公安令措施該擴大的範圍就幫助的範圍趕快來把它這個範疇給擴大希望能夠來支持到更多的勞工我們希望說這個時程可能要再加快一點因為也許\n\n7\n00:02:39,156 --> 00:02:52,208\n在這個7月份如果確定關稅確定之後我覺得這個影響可能會更大而且那個是會非常急速的所以我們希望就是勞動部針對這部分可能還要再加速\n\n8\n00:02:55,871 --> 00:03:24,542\n跟還有另外也再跟委員補充就剛才在講到村民在說其實我們也在做了一些檢查因為過去基本上是要這個企業自己來申請所以企業本身對這件事情的意願看起來就會變成是勞工能不能得到勞工部或者是我們勞發署協助的一個關鍵可是如果企業來申請這個他沒有來申請就影響勞工的權益所以我們現在也開放是讓勞工可以自己來申請甚至我們會主動的來聯絡勞工讓他知道你有這個權利\n\n9\n00:03:26,322 --> 00:03:42,651\n你們怎麼主動聯絡因為現在我們其實有修訂了這些相關的這個協議書的要點那勞工朋友他會提供給他的聯絡資訊其實給地方政府所以我們也會拿到這個勞工聯絡資訊以後來主動聯繫說其實你可以來申請那如果來申請的話來參與我們這個分署內的相關的訓練的計畫的話可以拿到這個訓練的津貼可以對於你的這個收入上面的減損會有一些幫助這樣子\n\n10\n00:03:55,498 --> 00:04:24,256\n那我們希望說這個可能時程可能再加快因為到七月我覺得那個時程應該是到七月可能這個減班休息的加速可能會越來越多我們密切的在監測中那剛剛也有特別針對這個勞動基金的這個部分我想請教就是說大家都非常的關心因為這個關心到一千多萬這個勞工的這個退休的這個基金\n\n11\n00:04:24,716 --> 00:04:37,625\n那我想請教部長因為在去年的時候我們看到這個勞動基金是收益是有賺錢的那今年一到四月份是整個虧損那當然就是說投資有賺有賠不一定都是賺錢當然就是我們要讓這個虧損這個\n\n12\n00:04:44,549 --> 00:05:03,485\n能夠降低我想請教部長就是說很多人會覺得在四月份因為關稅的議題所以整個股會市這個很慘這個大家都可以理解那另外一個有人說這個我們的這個勞動這個基金我們的這些基金是不是用到去護盤我不知道說我們部長你針對這一部分是不是有什麼樣的說明\n\n13\n00:05:11,087 --> 00:05:30,246\n我想我們還是要再說一次我們絕對沒有拿這個勞動基金去護盤那當然一些報告委員我們基金運用局在做各項的投資運用都本於專業來做我們沒有義務去護盤我們也沒有去護盤我們大概就是根據市場的情況然後來進行佈局我們沒有護盤的事情\n\n14\n00:05:35,490 --> 00:06:01,828\n好那當然就是這個是所有勞工關心的議題另外就是說剛剛部長也有特別提到就是說這個勞保勞保基金這個關心到每一個退休的勞工那大家也會擔心那剛剛部長有特別提到就是說勞動部政府是負最終的這個責任那我也認同就是說因為很多勞工會擔心那當然就是說政府因為有這麼多的這個勞工朋友\n\n15\n00:06:04,810 --> 00:06:25,441\n他就是加入這個勞保那如果說連勞保都倒了這個國家也差不多了啦所以當然政府要負最終的責任這一點我是認同入不入法這個我覺得這個可以討論那政府就是要負最終的責任因為這個影響到一千兩百多萬人所以這個真的是\n\n16\n00:06:26,081 --> 00:06:49,393\n非同小可全台灣才兩千三百多萬人那這個就一半的這個人口都是加入我們的這個勞保所以真的我們當然剛剛部長也有特別提到我們就是政府就是負最終的責任就是很堅定的就是這樣說嘛那另外一個議題我想請教就是說也是因為因應關稅的議題\n\n17\n00:06:51,354 --> 00:07:08,176\n那會受到影響勞力密集的這個產業可能會受到這個關稅的議題影響比較大那其中一個可能就是觀光業我想請教就是說之前有很多人在希望就是說這個觀光旅宿業能夠開放外籍移工\n\n18\n00:07:09,438 --> 00:07:38,177\n那當然就是說我們希望這個觀光旅宿業是要把自己的這個勞動環境做好之後那確實沒辦法有台灣的這個勞工投入我們才來考慮是不是要有這個外籍義工那當然我們看到一個資料我也希望就是說部長可能要關心一下就是勞動部在5月底有公布就是職類別薪資的一個調查\n\n19\n00:07:38,897 --> 00:07:58,028\n那住宿業房務員就是我們這個旅宿業的房務員的薪資去年是平均30,941元那跟前一年相比的話差不多調漲了加薪了695元\n\n20\n00:08:00,149 --> 00:08:19,491\n那為什麼這個呃旅宿業或者是我們的這個住宿住宿呃旅宿這麼呃這麼多這個台灣的這個勞工不願意投入一方面可能整個工作環境也不是那麼好再來就是薪資其實也不高然後所以我們希望就是說呃\n\n21\n00:08:20,632 --> 00:08:46,403\n今天如果要開放這個外籍移工的話第一個應該也要去考慮到是不是這些旅宿業這樣的一個觀光業是不是有將這個勞動的環境已經有提升了那薪資是不是有提升到一般的水準了那我們再來考慮那真的就招不到我們本籍的勞工之外再來考慮是不是要開放外籍根本說明確實在旅宿業\n\n22\n00:08:47,935 --> 00:09:02,716\n其實目前他這個低薪勞工的比例確實是比較高那這個點的確也是我們一直在評估呂樹葉的跨國勞動力的開放問題裡面一個很核心的在思考的一個問題\n\n23\n00:09:03,997 --> 00:09:17,664\n所以的確我們也希望說接下來如果這個關於我們跨國勞動力的整體的政策在檢討的過程裡面我們第一個都是希望他不要對本國勞工的就業機會產生影響甚至我們都希望\n\n24\n00:09:18,752 --> 00:09:44,806\n未來是否有可能可以讓這些跨國勞動力的政策對於本國勞工的勞動條件尤其是薪資可以帶來正面的幫助我們也在往這個角度做可能性的思考跟探尋所以就像剛剛委員說的我們不會這個一味的或者是好像就覺得如果只是有缺人我就開放我覺得倒不是這樣我們會整體思考包括這個\n\n25\n00:09:46,747 --> 00:10:00,360\n外國的勞工他的就業的環境包括本國勞工的這個相關勞動的權益我想這必須整體的思考那我們的這個政策的檢討也不是針對旅宿業也會是整體的這個產業我們都會來做\n\n26\n00:10:04,489 --> 00:10:28,790\n進一步的評估那當然接下來如果評估有相關的結論我們也會盡快的來跟社會各界來去做說明因為我為什麼會提出這樣就是說你們自己在5月底有做這樣的一個職類別的薪資調查那昨天那個證交所也公布2024年上市公司員工薪資的資訊那這個平均薪資最低的前10家公司中\n\n27\n00:10:29,531 --> 00:10:46,662\n就是大部分都是觀光餐飲傳統產業所以觀光跟餐飲業也許就是我們說可能就是整個工作環境或者是薪資不是那麼好所以本國勞工不太願意投入所以我才會講說未來可能就是要\n\n28\n00:10:47,683 --> 00:11:01,449\n希望這些連上市公司如果自己這個薪資都沒辦法這個跟其他的產業來相比的話那當然台灣的勞工不願意投入這樣的一個市場\n\n29\n00:11:03,559 --> 00:11:26,369\n確實在觀光業旅宿業觀光包括或者是一些服務業這些服務業的他的產業的特性跟他的勞動條件的狀態其實我們的確看到他是有跟製造業有不同的地方這也是為什麼我們覺得這部分的這個跨國勞動力的開放的問題必須有更多層面的評估跟思考的原因\n\n30\n00:11:28,069 --> 00:11:52,648\n我是看到連上市公司也觀光或者餐飲這樣子薪資也是蠻低的所以我才會希望部長你們在考慮引進外籍移工的時候就是整體產業的工作環境是不是確實薪資已經有調到跟一般的水準了\n\n31\n00:11:53,248 --> 00:12:20,659\n那我們再來考慮那確實就找不到我們本級的勞工那來開跟我們說明我們還會但除了這個跨國勞工業政策以外其實我們也希望比方說在薪資的透明化或者是我們也在思考更大程度的資訊的揭露來對於我們這些可能相對低薪勞工的比例比較高的產業能夠有更大的薪資提升的效果所以目前我們也在思考這樣子的相關的做法\n\n32\n00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:28,163\n好謝謝我們希望就是說能夠讓勞工能夠有一個好的工作環境是謝謝好謝謝黃秀芳委員謝謝洪部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10265\t12086\t謝謝 主席我們請部長有請部長黃院長部長我接續我們這個廖委員講的就是因應這個關稅的問題那減班休息確實這個問題陸陸續續呈現那我記得在4月份的時候那時候卓院長還有\n40738\t54113\t這個我們經濟部相關當時部長也有特別提到一些因應措施那我看到就是說在四月份的時候減班休息的人數好像也沒有就是還沒有呈現出來因為當時還有一些急單\n56395\t75929\t當時對於這個美國的這個如果是對外出口的話這些廠家可能還有一些急單要做那到五月份的時候陸陸續續有這樣的一個減班休息的問題出現了那剛剛委員這個廖委員也有特別提到那我想再一次的問一下就是我們部長針對這個因應關稅的這個議題你當時在四月份這個\n81133\t109147\t卓院长开记者会的时候你有特别提到一些因应措施吗那现在问题确实是出现了那是不是也请劳发署这边我看到也是非常认真就是有到就是有去做一些访试那提出一些问题那我想请教我们劳动部这边针对这一部分你们除了就是有这个充电在出发的这个训练计划之外那是不是还有其他的这个因应方式\n110820\t139362\t其實現在當然針對減半休息的部分幾個最主要的當然一個是充電車出發另外是規模安定措施那規模安定措施現在它的範圍是不是要來做產業上面的擴大我們有把機制給重新做了一個檢討跟設定那的確現在針對什麼時候這個包括它的範圍產業的範圍要擴大這部分我們會來跟經濟部來做研討那也就是說如果確實看到減半休息的狀況\n140863\t157115\t接下來繼續的擴大的話那我們會是時候就來把這個公安令措施該擴大的範圍就幫助的範圍趕快來把它這個範疇給擴大希望能夠來支持到更多的勞工我們希望說這個時程可能要再加快一點因為也許\n159156\t172208\t在這個7月份如果確定關稅確定之後我覺得這個影響可能會更大而且那個是會非常急速的所以我們希望就是勞動部針對這部分可能還要再加速\n175871\t204542\t跟還有另外也再跟委員補充就剛才在講到村民在說其實我們也在做了一些檢查因為過去基本上是要這個企業自己來申請所以企業本身對這件事情的意願看起來就會變成是勞工能不能得到勞工部或者是我們勞發署協助的一個關鍵可是如果企業來申請這個他沒有來申請就影響勞工的權益所以我們現在也開放是讓勞工可以自己來申請甚至我們會主動的來聯絡勞工讓他知道你有這個權利\n206322\t222651\t你們怎麼主動聯絡因為現在我們其實有修訂了這些相關的這個協議書的要點那勞工朋友他會提供給他的聯絡資訊其實給地方政府所以我們也會拿到這個勞工聯絡資訊以後來主動聯繫說其實你可以來申請那如果來申請的話來參與我們這個分署內的相關的訓練的計畫的話可以拿到這個訓練的津貼可以對於你的這個收入上面的減損會有一些幫助這樣子\n235498\t264256\t那我們希望說這個可能時程可能再加快因為到七月我覺得那個時程應該是到七月可能這個減班休息的加速可能會越來越多我們密切的在監測中那剛剛也有特別針對這個勞動基金的這個部分我想請教就是說大家都非常的關心因為這個關心到一千多萬這個勞工的這個退休的這個基金\n264716\t277625\t那我想請教部長因為在去年的時候我們看到這個勞動基金是收益是有賺錢的那今年一到四月份是整個虧損那當然就是說投資有賺有賠不一定都是賺錢當然就是我們要讓這個虧損這個\n284549\t303485\t能夠降低我想請教部長就是說很多人會覺得在四月份因為關稅的議題所以整個股會市這個很慘這個大家都可以理解那另外一個有人說這個我們的這個勞動這個基金我們的這些基金是不是用到去護盤我不知道說我們部長你針對這一部分是不是有什麼樣的說明\n311087\t330246\t我想我們還是要再說一次我們絕對沒有拿這個勞動基金去護盤那當然一些報告委員我們基金運用局在做各項的投資運用都本於專業來做我們沒有義務去護盤我們也沒有去護盤我們大概就是根據市場的情況然後來進行佈局我們沒有護盤的事情\n335490\t361828\t好那當然就是這個是所有勞工關心的議題另外就是說剛剛部長也有特別提到就是說這個勞保勞保基金這個關心到每一個退休的勞工那大家也會擔心那剛剛部長有特別提到就是說勞動部政府是負最終的這個責任那我也認同就是說因為很多勞工會擔心那當然就是說政府因為有這麼多的這個勞工朋友\n364810\t385441\t他就是加入這個勞保那如果說連勞保都倒了這個國家也差不多了啦所以當然政府要負最終的責任這一點我是認同入不入法這個我覺得這個可以討論那政府就是要負最終的責任因為這個影響到一千兩百多萬人所以這個真的是\n386081\t409393\t非同小可全台灣才兩千三百多萬人那這個就一半的這個人口都是加入我們的這個勞保所以真的我們當然剛剛部長也有特別提到我們就是政府就是負最終的責任就是很堅定的就是這樣說嘛那另外一個議題我想請教就是說也是因為因應關稅的議題\n411354\t428176\t那會受到影響勞力密集的這個產業可能會受到這個關稅的議題影響比較大那其中一個可能就是觀光業我想請教就是說之前有很多人在希望就是說這個觀光旅宿業能夠開放外籍移工\n429438\t458177\t那當然就是說我們希望這個觀光旅宿業是要把自己的這個勞動環境做好之後那確實沒辦法有台灣的這個勞工投入我們才來考慮是不是要有這個外籍義工那當然我們看到一個資料我也希望就是說部長可能要關心一下就是勞動部在5月底有公布就是職類別薪資的一個調查\n458897\t478028\t那住宿業房務員 就是我們這個旅宿業的房務員的薪資去年是平均30,941元那跟前一年相比的話 差不多調漲了加薪了695元\n480149\t499491\t那為什麼這個呃旅宿業或者是我們的這個住宿住宿呃旅宿這麼呃這麼多這個台灣的這個勞工不願意投入一方面可能整個工作環境也不是那麼好再來就是薪資其實也不高然後所以我們希望就是說呃\n500632\t526403\t今天如果要開放這個外籍移工的話第一個應該也要去考慮到是不是這些旅宿業這樣的一個觀光業是不是有將這個勞動的環境已經有提升了那薪資是不是有提升到一般的水準了那我們再來考慮那真的就招不到我們本籍的勞工之外再來考慮是不是要開放外籍根本說明確實在旅宿業\n527935\t542716\t其實目前他這個低薪勞工的比例確實是比較高那這個點的確也是我們一直在評估呂樹葉的跨國勞動力的開放問題裡面一個很核心的在思考的一個問題\n543997\t557664\t所以的確我們也希望說接下來如果這個關於我們跨國勞動力的整體的政策在檢討的過程裡面我們第一個都是希望他不要對本國勞工的就業機會產生影響甚至我們都希望\n558752\t584806\t未來是否有可能可以讓這些跨國勞動力的政策對於本國勞工的勞動條件尤其是薪資可以帶來正面的幫助我們也在往這個角度做可能性的思考跟探尋所以就像剛剛委員說的我們不會這個一味的或者是好像就覺得如果只是有缺人我就開放我覺得倒不是這樣我們會整體思考包括這個\n586747\t600360\t外國的勞工他的就業的環境包括本國勞工的這個相關勞動的權益我想這必須整體的思考那我們的這個政策的檢討也不是針對旅宿業也會是整體的這個產業我們都會來做\n604489\t628790\t進一步的評估那當然接下來如果評估有相關的結論我們也會盡快的來跟社會各界來去做說明因為我為什麼會提出這樣就是說你們自己在5月底有做這樣的一個職類別的薪資調查那昨天那個證交所也公布2024年上市公司員工薪資的資訊那這個平均薪資最低的前10家公司中\n629531\t646662\t就是大部分都是觀光餐飲傳統產業所以觀光跟餐飲業也許就是我們說可能就是整個工作環境或者是薪資不是那麼好所以本國勞工不太願意投入所以我才會講說未來可能就是要\n647683\t661449\t希望這些連上市公司如果自己這個薪資都沒辦法這個跟其他的產業來相比的話那當然台灣的勞工不願意投入這樣的一個市場\n663559\t686369\t確實在觀光業旅宿業觀光包括或者是一些服務業這些服務業的他的產業的特性跟他的勞動條件的狀態其實我們的確看到他是有跟製造業有不同的地方這也是為什麼我們覺得這部分的這個跨國勞動力的開放的問題必須有更多層面的評估跟思考的原因\n688069\t712648\t我是看到連上市公司也觀光或者餐飲這樣子薪資也是蠻低的所以我才會希望部長你們在考慮引進外籍移工的時候就是整體產業的工作環境是不是確實薪資已經有調到跟一般的水準了\n713248\t740659\t那我們再來考慮那確實就找不到我們本級的勞工那來開跟我們說明我們還會但除了這個跨國勞工業政策以外其實我們也希望比方說在薪資的透明化或者是我們也在思考更大程度的資訊的揭露來對於我們這些可能相對低薪勞工的比例比較高的產業能夠有更大的薪資提升的效果所以目前我們也在思考這樣子的相關的做法\n740919\t748163\t好 謝謝 我們希望就是說能夠讓勞工能夠有一個好的工作環境是 謝謝好 謝謝黃秀芳委員 謝謝洪部長\n","txt":"謝謝 主席我們請部長有請部長黃院長部長我接續我們這個廖委員講的就是因應這個關稅的問題那減班休息確實這個問題陸陸續續呈現那我記得在4月份的時候那時候卓院長還有\n這個我們經濟部相關當時部長也有特別提到一些因應措施那我看到就是說在四月份的時候減班休息的人數好像也沒有就是還沒有呈現出來因為當時還有一些急單\n當時對於這個美國的這個如果是對外出口的話這些廠家可能還有一些急單要做那到五月份的時候陸陸續續有這樣的一個減班休息的問題出現了那剛剛委員這個廖委員也有特別提到那我想再一次的問一下就是我們部長針對這個因應關稅的這個議題你當時在四月份這個\n卓院长开记者会的时候你有特别提到一些因应措施吗那现在问题确实是出现了那是不是也请劳发署这边我看到也是非常认真就是有到就是有去做一些访试那提出一些问题那我想请教我们劳动部这边针对这一部分你们除了就是有这个充电在出发的这个训练计划之外那是不是还有其他的这个因应方式\n其實現在當然針對減半休息的部分幾個最主要的當然一個是充電車出發另外是規模安定措施那規模安定措施現在它的範圍是不是要來做產業上面的擴大我們有把機制給重新做了一個檢討跟設定那的確現在針對什麼時候這個包括它的範圍產業的範圍要擴大這部分我們會來跟經濟部來做研討那也就是說如果確實看到減半休息的狀況\n接下來繼續的擴大的話那我們會是時候就來把這個公安令措施該擴大的範圍就幫助的範圍趕快來把它這個範疇給擴大希望能夠來支持到更多的勞工我們希望說這個時程可能要再加快一點因為也許\n在這個7月份如果確定關稅確定之後我覺得這個影響可能會更大而且那個是會非常急速的所以我們希望就是勞動部針對這部分可能還要再加速\n跟還有另外也再跟委員補充就剛才在講到村民在說其實我們也在做了一些檢查因為過去基本上是要這個企業自己來申請所以企業本身對這件事情的意願看起來就會變成是勞工能不能得到勞工部或者是我們勞發署協助的一個關鍵可是如果企業來申請這個他沒有來申請就影響勞工的權益所以我們現在也開放是讓勞工可以自己來申請甚至我們會主動的來聯絡勞工讓他知道你有這個權利\n你們怎麼主動聯絡因為現在我們其實有修訂了這些相關的這個協議書的要點那勞工朋友他會提供給他的聯絡資訊其實給地方政府所以我們也會拿到這個勞工聯絡資訊以後來主動聯繫說其實你可以來申請那如果來申請的話來參與我們這個分署內的相關的訓練的計畫的話可以拿到這個訓練的津貼可以對於你的這個收入上面的減損會有一些幫助這樣子\n那我們希望說這個可能時程可能再加快因為到七月我覺得那個時程應該是到七月可能這個減班休息的加速可能會越來越多我們密切的在監測中那剛剛也有特別針對這個勞動基金的這個部分我想請教就是說大家都非常的關心因為這個關心到一千多萬這個勞工的這個退休的這個基金\n那我想請教部長因為在去年的時候我們看到這個勞動基金是收益是有賺錢的那今年一到四月份是整個虧損那當然就是說投資有賺有賠不一定都是賺錢當然就是我們要讓這個虧損這個\n能夠降低我想請教部長就是說很多人會覺得在四月份因為關稅的議題所以整個股會市這個很慘這個大家都可以理解那另外一個有人說這個我們的這個勞動這個基金我們的這些基金是不是用到去護盤我不知道說我們部長你針對這一部分是不是有什麼樣的說明\n我想我們還是要再說一次我們絕對沒有拿這個勞動基金去護盤那當然一些報告委員我們基金運用局在做各項的投資運用都本於專業來做我們沒有義務去護盤我們也沒有去護盤我們大概就是根據市場的情況然後來進行佈局我們沒有護盤的事情\n好那當然就是這個是所有勞工關心的議題另外就是說剛剛部長也有特別提到就是說這個勞保勞保基金這個關心到每一個退休的勞工那大家也會擔心那剛剛部長有特別提到就是說勞動部政府是負最終的這個責任那我也認同就是說因為很多勞工會擔心那當然就是說政府因為有這麼多的這個勞工朋友\n他就是加入這個勞保那如果說連勞保都倒了這個國家也差不多了啦所以當然政府要負最終的責任這一點我是認同入不入法這個我覺得這個可以討論那政府就是要負最終的責任因為這個影響到一千兩百多萬人所以這個真的是\n非同小可全台灣才兩千三百多萬人那這個就一半的這個人口都是加入我們的這個勞保所以真的我們當然剛剛部長也有特別提到我們就是政府就是負最終的責任就是很堅定的就是這樣說嘛那另外一個議題我想請教就是說也是因為因應關稅的議題\n那會受到影響勞力密集的這個產業可能會受到這個關稅的議題影響比較大那其中一個可能就是觀光業我想請教就是說之前有很多人在希望就是說這個觀光旅宿業能夠開放外籍移工\n那當然就是說我們希望這個觀光旅宿業是要把自己的這個勞動環境做好之後那確實沒辦法有台灣的這個勞工投入我們才來考慮是不是要有這個外籍義工那當然我們看到一個資料我也希望就是說部長可能要關心一下就是勞動部在5月底有公布就是職類別薪資的一個調查\n那住宿業房務員 就是我們這個旅宿業的房務員的薪資去年是平均30,941元那跟前一年相比的話 差不多調漲了加薪了695元\n那為什麼這個呃旅宿業或者是我們的這個住宿住宿呃旅宿這麼呃這麼多這個台灣的這個勞工不願意投入一方面可能整個工作環境也不是那麼好再來就是薪資其實也不高然後所以我們希望就是說呃\n今天如果要開放這個外籍移工的話第一個應該也要去考慮到是不是這些旅宿業這樣的一個觀光業是不是有將這個勞動的環境已經有提升了那薪資是不是有提升到一般的水準了那我們再來考慮那真的就招不到我們本籍的勞工之外再來考慮是不是要開放外籍根本說明確實在旅宿業\n其實目前他這個低薪勞工的比例確實是比較高那這個點的確也是我們一直在評估呂樹葉的跨國勞動力的開放問題裡面一個很核心的在思考的一個問題\n所以的確我們也希望說接下來如果這個關於我們跨國勞動力的整體的政策在檢討的過程裡面我們第一個都是希望他不要對本國勞工的就業機會產生影響甚至我們都希望\n未來是否有可能可以讓這些跨國勞動力的政策對於本國勞工的勞動條件尤其是薪資可以帶來正面的幫助我們也在往這個角度做可能性的思考跟探尋所以就像剛剛委員說的我們不會這個一味的或者是好像就覺得如果只是有缺人我就開放我覺得倒不是這樣我們會整體思考包括這個\n外國的勞工他的就業的環境包括本國勞工的這個相關勞動的權益我想這必須整體的思考那我們的這個政策的檢討也不是針對旅宿業也會是整體的這個產業我們都會來做\n進一步的評估那當然接下來如果評估有相關的結論我們也會盡快的來跟社會各界來去做說明因為我為什麼會提出這樣就是說你們自己在5月底有做這樣的一個職類別的薪資調查那昨天那個證交所也公布2024年上市公司員工薪資的資訊那這個平均薪資最低的前10家公司中\n就是大部分都是觀光餐飲傳統產業所以觀光跟餐飲業也許就是我們說可能就是整個工作環境或者是薪資不是那麼好所以本國勞工不太願意投入所以我才會講說未來可能就是要\n希望這些連上市公司如果自己這個薪資都沒辦法這個跟其他的產業來相比的話那當然台灣的勞工不願意投入這樣的一個市場\n確實在觀光業旅宿業觀光包括或者是一些服務業這些服務業的他的產業的特性跟他的勞動條件的狀態其實我們的確看到他是有跟製造業有不同的地方這也是為什麼我們覺得這部分的這個跨國勞動力的開放的問題必須有更多層面的評估跟思考的原因\n我是看到連上市公司也觀光或者餐飲這樣子薪資也是蠻低的所以我才會希望部長你們在考慮引進外籍移工的時候就是整體產業的工作環境是不是確實薪資已經有調到跟一般的水準了\n那我們再來考慮那確實就找不到我們本級的勞工那來開跟我們說明我們還會但除了這個跨國勞工業政策以外其實我們也希望比方說在薪資的透明化或者是我們也在思考更大程度的資訊的揭露來對於我們這些可能相對低薪勞工的比例比較高的產業能夠有更大的薪資提升的效果所以目前我們也在思考這樣子的相關的做法\n好 謝謝 我們希望就是說能夠讓勞工能夠有一個好的工作環境是 謝謝好 謝謝黃秀芳委員 謝謝洪部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.265 --> 00:12.086\n謝謝主席我們請部長有請部長黃院長部長我接續我們這個廖委員講的就是因應這個關稅的問題那減班休息確實這個問題陸陸續續呈現那我記得在4月份的時候那時候卓院長還有\n\n00:40.738 --> 00:54.113\n這個我們經濟部相關當時部長也有特別提到一些因應措施那我看到就是說在四月份的時候減班休息的人數好像也沒有就是還沒有呈現出來因為當時還有一些急單\n\n00:56.395 --> 01:15.929\n當時對於這個美國的這個如果是對外出口的話這些廠家可能還有一些急單要做那到五月份的時候陸陸續續有這樣的一個減班休息的問題出現了那剛剛委員這個廖委員也有特別提到那我想再一次的問一下就是我們部長針對這個因應關稅的這個議題你當時在四月份這個\n\n01:21.133 --> 01:49.147\n卓院长开记者会的时候你有特别提到一些因应措施吗那现在问题确实是出现了那是不是也请劳发署这边我看到也是非常认真就是有到就是有去做一些访试那提出一些问题那我想请教我们劳动部这边针对这一部分你们除了就是有这个充电在出发的这个训练计划之外那是不是还有其他的这个因应方式\n\n01:50.820 --> 02:19.362\n其實現在當然針對減半休息的部分幾個最主要的當然一個是充電車出發另外是規模安定措施那規模安定措施現在它的範圍是不是要來做產業上面的擴大我們有把機制給重新做了一個檢討跟設定那的確現在針對什麼時候這個包括它的範圍產業的範圍要擴大這部分我們會來跟經濟部來做研討那也就是說如果確實看到減半休息的狀況\n\n02:20.863 --> 02:37.115\n接下來繼續的擴大的話那我們會是時候就來把這個公安令措施該擴大的範圍就幫助的範圍趕快來把它這個範疇給擴大希望能夠來支持到更多的勞工我們希望說這個時程可能要再加快一點因為也許\n\n02:39.156 --> 02:52.208\n在這個7月份如果確定關稅確定之後我覺得這個影響可能會更大而且那個是會非常急速的所以我們希望就是勞動部針對這部分可能還要再加速\n\n02:55.871 --> 03:24.542\n跟還有另外也再跟委員補充就剛才在講到村民在說其實我們也在做了一些檢查因為過去基本上是要這個企業自己來申請所以企業本身對這件事情的意願看起來就會變成是勞工能不能得到勞工部或者是我們勞發署協助的一個關鍵可是如果企業來申請這個他沒有來申請就影響勞工的權益所以我們現在也開放是讓勞工可以自己來申請甚至我們會主動的來聯絡勞工讓他知道你有這個權利\n\n03:26.322 --> 03:42.651\n你們怎麼主動聯絡因為現在我們其實有修訂了這些相關的這個協議書的要點那勞工朋友他會提供給他的聯絡資訊其實給地方政府所以我們也會拿到這個勞工聯絡資訊以後來主動聯繫說其實你可以來申請那如果來申請的話來參與我們這個分署內的相關的訓練的計畫的話可以拿到這個訓練的津貼可以對於你的這個收入上面的減損會有一些幫助這樣子\n\n03:55.498 --> 04:24.256\n那我們希望說這個可能時程可能再加快因為到七月我覺得那個時程應該是到七月可能這個減班休息的加速可能會越來越多我們密切的在監測中那剛剛也有特別針對這個勞動基金的這個部分我想請教就是說大家都非常的關心因為這個關心到一千多萬這個勞工的這個退休的這個基金\n\n04:24.716 --> 04:37.625\n那我想請教部長因為在去年的時候我們看到這個勞動基金是收益是有賺錢的那今年一到四月份是整個虧損那當然就是說投資有賺有賠不一定都是賺錢當然就是我們要讓這個虧損這個\n\n04:44.549 --> 05:03.485\n能夠降低我想請教部長就是說很多人會覺得在四月份因為關稅的議題所以整個股會市這個很慘這個大家都可以理解那另外一個有人說這個我們的這個勞動這個基金我們的這些基金是不是用到去護盤我不知道說我們部長你針對這一部分是不是有什麼樣的說明\n\n05:11.087 --> 05:30.246\n我想我們還是要再說一次我們絕對沒有拿這個勞動基金去護盤那當然一些報告委員我們基金運用局在做各項的投資運用都本於專業來做我們沒有義務去護盤我們也沒有去護盤我們大概就是根據市場的情況然後來進行佈局我們沒有護盤的事情\n\n05:35.490 --> 06:01.828\n好那當然就是這個是所有勞工關心的議題另外就是說剛剛部長也有特別提到就是說這個勞保勞保基金這個關心到每一個退休的勞工那大家也會擔心那剛剛部長有特別提到就是說勞動部政府是負最終的這個責任那我也認同就是說因為很多勞工會擔心那當然就是說政府因為有這麼多的這個勞工朋友\n\n06:04.810 --> 06:25.441\n他就是加入這個勞保那如果說連勞保都倒了這個國家也差不多了啦所以當然政府要負最終的責任這一點我是認同入不入法這個我覺得這個可以討論那政府就是要負最終的責任因為這個影響到一千兩百多萬人所以這個真的是\n\n06:26.081 --> 06:49.393\n非同小可全台灣才兩千三百多萬人那這個就一半的這個人口都是加入我們的這個勞保所以真的我們當然剛剛部長也有特別提到我們就是政府就是負最終的責任就是很堅定的就是這樣說嘛那另外一個議題我想請教就是說也是因為因應關稅的議題\n\n06:51.354 --> 07:08.176\n那會受到影響勞力密集的這個產業可能會受到這個關稅的議題影響比較大那其中一個可能就是觀光業我想請教就是說之前有很多人在希望就是說這個觀光旅宿業能夠開放外籍移工\n\n07:09.438 --> 07:38.177\n那當然就是說我們希望這個觀光旅宿業是要把自己的這個勞動環境做好之後那確實沒辦法有台灣的這個勞工投入我們才來考慮是不是要有這個外籍義工那當然我們看到一個資料我也希望就是說部長可能要關心一下就是勞動部在5月底有公布就是職類別薪資的一個調查\n\n07:38.897 --> 07:58.028\n那住宿業房務員就是我們這個旅宿業的房務員的薪資去年是平均30,941元那跟前一年相比的話差不多調漲了加薪了695元\n\n08:00.149 --> 08:19.491\n那為什麼這個呃旅宿業或者是我們的這個住宿住宿呃旅宿這麼呃這麼多這個台灣的這個勞工不願意投入一方面可能整個工作環境也不是那麼好再來就是薪資其實也不高然後所以我們希望就是說呃\n\n08:20.632 --> 08:46.403\n今天如果要開放這個外籍移工的話第一個應該也要去考慮到是不是這些旅宿業這樣的一個觀光業是不是有將這個勞動的環境已經有提升了那薪資是不是有提升到一般的水準了那我們再來考慮那真的就招不到我們本籍的勞工之外再來考慮是不是要開放外籍根本說明確實在旅宿業\n\n08:47.935 --> 09:02.716\n其實目前他這個低薪勞工的比例確實是比較高那這個點的確也是我們一直在評估呂樹葉的跨國勞動力的開放問題裡面一個很核心的在思考的一個問題\n\n09:03.997 --> 09:17.664\n所以的確我們也希望說接下來如果這個關於我們跨國勞動力的整體的政策在檢討的過程裡面我們第一個都是希望他不要對本國勞工的就業機會產生影響甚至我們都希望\n\n09:18.752 --> 09:44.806\n未來是否有可能可以讓這些跨國勞動力的政策對於本國勞工的勞動條件尤其是薪資可以帶來正面的幫助我們也在往這個角度做可能性的思考跟探尋所以就像剛剛委員說的我們不會這個一味的或者是好像就覺得如果只是有缺人我就開放我覺得倒不是這樣我們會整體思考包括這個\n\n09:46.747 --> 10:00.360\n外國的勞工他的就業的環境包括本國勞工的這個相關勞動的權益我想這必須整體的思考那我們的這個政策的檢討也不是針對旅宿業也會是整體的這個產業我們都會來做\n\n10:04.489 --> 10:28.790\n進一步的評估那當然接下來如果評估有相關的結論我們也會盡快的來跟社會各界來去做說明因為我為什麼會提出這樣就是說你們自己在5月底有做這樣的一個職類別的薪資調查那昨天那個證交所也公布2024年上市公司員工薪資的資訊那這個平均薪資最低的前10家公司中\n\n10:29.531 --> 10:46.662\n就是大部分都是觀光餐飲傳統產業所以觀光跟餐飲業也許就是我們說可能就是整個工作環境或者是薪資不是那麼好所以本國勞工不太願意投入所以我才會講說未來可能就是要\n\n10:47.683 --> 11:01.449\n希望這些連上市公司如果自己這個薪資都沒辦法這個跟其他的產業來相比的話那當然台灣的勞工不願意投入這樣的一個市場\n\n11:03.559 --> 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