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00:00:03,805\n好謝謝主席我們先請部長\n\n2\n00:00:11,238 --> 00:00:35,637\n委員早好部長早這邊先跟您請教一個最近發生的事情就是昨天您有參加這個世界警消運動會的壽旗典禮對不對是那當然就是每兩年就一次就是世界上非常對於警消單位來說非常重要的一個運動會那我也樂見其實昨天部長到壽旗典禮上面是親自把這個國旗授給代表團的團長那這個團長也是由我們警政署的副署長來代表\n\n3\n00:00:41,041 --> 00:01:05,176\n那部長也提到說希望選手可以為國爭光來提高我國的能見度但是呢就有選手來反映說其實因為兩年前的這個代表團出訪的時候有選手他們帶了我國的國旗那前兩年的舉辦是在加拿大那結果呢他帶了國旗被我們警政署要求說要拿掉\n\n4\n00:01:05,856 --> 00:01:12,524\n那這是兩年前發生的事情那今年是到了美國那目前我得知說我們代表團還是沒有帶國旗那我們代表團帶的是中華台北的這個奧會的會旗\n\n5\n00:01:20,834 --> 00:01:31,119\n那我看到也覺得非常的遺憾我們授旗的時候拿的是國旗那其實過去包括2003年在第10屆2005年11屆2013年15屆2017年第17屆的時候我們在開幕式或者是閉幕式都有舉國旗但是在上一次卻被我們自己的警政署說我們去參加世界警校運動會的時候不要舉我國的國旗\n\n6\n00:01:49,108 --> 00:02:02,059\n那我不知道說今年的代表團可不可以部長會支持我們的代表團出席的時候舉國旗嗎報告委員我們能夠參加世界錦囂運動會當然要按照世界錦囂運動會的各項的賽事規則那我們能夠提高我們的國旗能見度當然是盡我們的所能\n\n7\n00:02:10,066 --> 00:02:31,231\n而且大家都知道我們所參與的各項國際運動賽事最大的阻礙是在中國所以我們這次還是一樣按照以前的往例就是我們用奧會的會旗但是如果我們有在獎牌上面的頒獎典禮的時候舉國旗並不違法所以事實上我們是會旗跟國旗都有帶\n\n8\n00:02:32,231 --> 00:02:42,358\n我想這個很多人可能比較不清楚因為沒有在新聞稿裡面呈現出來也就是說我們會用最大的彈性先來保障我們這些警消運動的選手大概有60位能夠在警消運動會裡面跟70國在將近1萬多位警消的人員互相做這個運動競技之外然後有增加我們的能見度我想所有參賽的選手以及帶團的這個副團長他是\n\n9\n00:02:57,628 --> 00:03:14,452\n第一位女性的這個副署長她也都了解這樣的程序所以我想我們一定不會以我們自己要矮化成績我們絕對不是以這樣為原則而是我們如何在國際上能夠有能見度第一然後來保障我們中華民國國旗能夠建出於國際媒體的報導那這個我們一定會盡力努力來達成\n\n10\n00:03:20,293 --> 00:03:38,949\n好謝謝部長在這邊的承諾跟提醒因為我也是希望說如果有機會在國際的場合多展現我們的國旗當然就要盡量的提高我國的能見度而不是自我審查自我矮化不會因為我們的制服被裝或者能夠看到的部分都會有國旗\n\n11\n00:03:39,875 --> 00:03:57,967\n好那這就是尤其是今年是在美國舉辦那大家也知道說其實最近包括美國的移民局就也公告說如果出生國是台灣的話就直接寫台灣就好了不需要去加諸什麼中華或者是中國這樣子多餘甚至是不正確的字眼\n\n12\n00:03:59,008 --> 00:04:24,486\n那这个也是美国像是美国最近的众议院也提了一个美国支持台湾的法案里面也都直接把中华台北相关的称呼都取消掉都说应该要改成台湾那既然美国都是这样子认定我们台湾就是可以直接写作台湾何必去美国比赛的时候还自我审查自我爱化呢世界行销运动会不是只有美国一个国家参加它是一个国际性的赛事团体\n\n13\n00:04:24,986 --> 00:04:39,042\n所以我們按照國際性的賽事團體以往的這個規矩來處理那當然美國會給我們最大的協助就是我剛剛所說的如果我們中華民國的國旗可以在國際賽事的場合裡面呈現最大的能見度的話我們一定會想辦法達成\n\n14\n00:04:40,743 --> 00:05:09,121\n謝謝謝謝部長的承諾那幫我下一頁我也反映一下因為這個剛剛其實部長也有提到說在團服還有一些代表團裡面的一些旗幟可能都可以出現國旗那這個也是裡面團員有跟我說其實在肩上的這個臂章其實都還是只有中華台北奧會的這樣的一個logo那我也覺得比較可惜如果之後可以的話有機會也盡量把我們國家的意向放上去好下一頁\n\n15\n00:05:10,697 --> 00:05:28,259\n那这个就是2023年的时候发生的事情我也不希望这样的事情再重演好那最后还有一个是也是锦霄运动会就是因为其实今年属为了要实现我们上一次小英总统有说希望我们的选手出赛都可以是全公费的\n\n16\n00:05:28,780 --> 00:05:32,043\n那結果呢為了要達成這個全公費的目的反而把裡面的一些選項刪掉了一些比賽項目包括建立包括填進刪除掉那反而讓有一些選手沒有辦法因此而受惠甚至連這一次的出團比賽都沒有辦法\n\n17\n00:05:46,397 --> 00:05:50,482\n那我覺得非常的可惜怎麼會有點本末倒置了呢當初小英總統在這個獸獎的時候表揚的時候的用意應該是鼓勵大家參賽不需要還要自費自價那當然是希望說最好是公費公價\n\n18\n00:06:02,997 --> 00:06:26,025\n讓這些選手到國際上可以替台灣來爭光那沒有想到今年這個新制下去反而讓很多原本至少自費都還可以出席的選手連出席的機會都沒有了我希望這個部長可以回去了解這個警政署內部在選拔然後在提供這些比賽的運動項目的時候是不是有這樣的狀況如果有的話拜託下一次如果有機會盡量公平一點\n\n19\n00:06:29,906 --> 00:06:50,104\n那我覺得他們是跟我說這次像消防署的心智就改得蠻好的讓大家雨露均沾公費都盡量能補助到那讓這些你看他們這一次60位裡面多數都是消防署派出來的選手那我覺得警政署可能還有改善的空間這個希望部長可以了解好嗎\n\n20\n00:06:50,984 --> 00:06:54,227\n好謝謝委員好那最後一點時間因為今天其實要討論這個建築法那我也在這邊來表達一下我其實這幾年收到非常多的澄清案就是裝修蟑螂的事情那裝修蟑螂對我們請署長來回應好了\n\n21\n00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:28,779\n因为这个署长可能应该也接收到很多的澄清案之前也都跟国土署有讨论过那只是因为其实我知道说建筑法里面相关的规定也算完善可是建这个装修蟑螂到现在还是非常的猖狂我不知道说署长这边有没有更好的方式可以解决包括说很多民众他们在找这个相关装修的\n\n22\n00:07:29,579 --> 00:07:33,002\n工程行的資訊的時候到底是因為不夠透明或者是你們給的一些合格的名單不夠明確還是怎麼樣常常就是會有民眾疑似被詐騙就是他們找到一些跟你說很低價報價結果後面瘋狂的加價一開始跟你說工期很短結果他們給你收了九成的訂金之後就跑路了然後就把這個錢收了就留一個爛尾\n\n23\n00:07:55,839 --> 00:08:04,167\n那像這樣的裝修的蟑螂甚至是說說他是詐騙也不為過可是到最後告上法院詐騙幾乎都不成立因為他們說他們有進場施工\n\n24\n00:08:05,976 --> 00:08:15,939\n所以這就是現在法律上的困難那現在的陳情案陳出不窮近十年來大概有一萬三千多件都是這樣子裝修裝壤同樣的樣態真的非常的可惡那我不知道說署長這邊目前有沒有比較好的方式或者是建議如果要修建主法應該要怎麼樣去防範呢\n\n25\n00:08:27,483 --> 00:08:41,802\n公文報告啦因為的確因為在室內裝修業來講他有他很明確的職業範圍那現在坊間比較大的一個狀況就是說當然因為這也有辦法而且我們也有合格的這個\n\n26\n00:08:43,464 --> 00:09:06,055\n合格業者的名單其實網路上都有那當然一方面大概民眾比較不習慣說不知道說應該要去找合法的業者因為往往這些很多這種四莊蟑螂他這一些部分都是因為他沒有合格的名單他可能有些名氣或在地方上被認為是他裝修比較價格比較合理那比較會低價報\n\n27\n00:09:07,896 --> 00:09:24,884\n但是他往往沒有經過合法的程序也沒有合法的設立公司才會有這樣一個財務的部分那所以這些都是實務上的問題他比較不容易透過相關的立法說我一定是怎麼做但是我想這一個部分第一個我們可能會把室內裝修業的這一個\n\n28\n00:09:26,785 --> 00:09:46,870\n執行的這個內容會在對外再說明清楚希望大家再透過合法的程序來申請這樣的一個程序第二個我們會來檢視看看在坊間有關的這一些契約內容是不是有違反一些這個疫苗消保的規定我想這一點也是很重要\n\n29\n00:09:47,330 --> 00:10:09,958\n因為過去比較多的爭議就在於這一個沒有訂定契約或是契約的內容不明確那這些我想我們也來檢視看看看能不能對地方來講給消保單位給民眾一些比較具體的建議那這樣他在執行上比較有所依據也比較避免在沒有簽訂合理的契約狀況下就蒙受損失我想我們會從這兩點再來做\n\n30\n00:10:12,239 --> 00:10:28,274\n好這個真的要拜託署長喔真的不要再有更多的因為裝修蟑螂導致更多的受害者這樣一次都是兩三百萬可能他一次的積蓄都花在這個被詐騙上面了真的非常的可憐好不好這個真的要拜託好謝謝署長好\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2918\t3805\t好謝謝主席我們先請部長\n11238\t35637\t委員早好部長早這邊先跟您請教一個最近發生的事情就是昨天您有參加這個世界警消運動會的壽旗典禮對不對是那當然就是每兩年就一次就是世界上非常對於警消單位來說非常重要的一個運動會那我也樂見其實昨天部長到壽旗典禮上面是親自把這個國旗授給代表團的團長那這個團長也是由我們警政署的副署長來代表\n41041\t65176\t那部長也提到說希望選手可以為國爭光來提高我國的能見度但是呢就有選手來反映說其實因為兩年前的這個代表團出訪的時候有選手他們帶了我國的國旗那前兩年的舉辦是在加拿大那結果呢他帶了國旗被我們警政署要求說要拿掉\n65856\t72524\t那這是兩年前發生的事情那今年是到了美國那目前我得知說我們代表團還是沒有帶國旗那我們代表團帶的是中華台北的這個奧會的會旗\n80834\t91119\t那我看到也覺得非常的遺憾我們授旗的時候拿的是國旗那其實過去包括2003年在第10屆2005年11屆2013年15屆2017年第17屆的時候我們在開幕式或者是閉幕式都有舉國旗但是在上一次卻被我們自己的警政署說我們去參加世界警校運動會的時候不要舉我國的國旗\n109108\t122059\t那我不知道說今年的代表團可不可以部長會支持我們的代表團出席的時候舉國旗嗎報告委員我們能夠參加世界錦囂運動會當然要按照世界錦囂運動會的各項的賽事規則那我們能夠提高我們的國旗能見度當然是盡我們的所能\n130066\t151231\t而且大家都知道我們所參與的各項國際運動賽事最大的阻礙是在中國所以我們這次還是一樣按照以前的往例就是我們用奧會的會旗但是如果我們有在獎牌上面的頒獎典禮的時候舉國旗並不違法所以事實上我們是會旗跟國旗都有帶\n152231\t162358\t我想這個很多人可能比較不清楚因為沒有在新聞稿裡面呈現出來也就是說我們會用最大的彈性先來保障我們這些警消運動的選手大概有60位能夠在警消運動會裡面跟70國在將近1萬多位警消的人員互相做這個運動競技之外然後有增加我們的能見度我想所有參賽的選手以及帶團的這個副團長他是\n177628\t194452\t第一位女性的這個副署長她也都了解這樣的程序所以我想我們一定不會以我們自己要矮化成績我們絕對不是以這樣為原則而是我們如何在國際上能夠有能見度第一然後來保障我們中華民國國旗能夠建出於國際媒體的報導那這個我們一定會盡力努力來達成\n200293\t218949\t好 謝謝部長在這邊的承諾跟提醒因為我也是希望說如果有機會在國際的場合多展現我們的國旗當然就要盡量的提高我國的能見度而不是自我審查 自我矮化不會 因為我們的制服 被裝或者能夠看到的部分都會有國旗\n219875\t237967\t好那這就是尤其是今年是在美國舉辦那大家也知道說其實最近包括美國的移民局就也公告說如果出生國是台灣的話就直接寫台灣就好了不需要去加諸什麼中華或者是中國這樣子多餘甚至是不正確的字眼\n239008\t264486\t那这个也是美国像是美国最近的众议院也提了一个美国支持台湾的法案里面也都直接把中华台北相关的称呼都取消掉都说应该要改成台湾那既然美国都是这样子认定我们台湾就是可以直接写作台湾何必去美国比赛的时候还自我审查自我爱化呢世界行销运动会不是只有美国一个国家参加它是一个国际性的赛事团体\n264986\t279042\t所以我們按照國際性的賽事團體以往的這個規矩來處理那當然美國會給我們最大的協助就是我剛剛所說的如果我們中華民國的國旗可以在國際賽事的場合裡面呈現最大的能見度的話我們一定會想辦法達成\n280743\t309121\t謝謝 謝謝部長的承諾那幫我下一頁我也反映一下因為這個剛剛其實部長也有提到說在團服還有一些代表團裡面的一些旗幟可能都可以出現國旗那這個也是裡面團員有跟我說其實在肩上的這個臂章其實都還是只有中華台北奧會的這樣的一個logo那我也覺得比較可惜如果之後可以的話有機會也盡量把我們國家的意向放上去好 下一頁\n310697\t328259\t那这个就是2023年的时候发生的事情我也不希望这样的事情再重演好那最后还有一个是也是锦霄运动会就是因为其实今年属为了要实现我们上一次小英总统有说希望我们的选手出赛都可以是全公费的\n328780\t332043\t那結果呢為了要達成這個全公費的目的反而把裡面的一些選項刪掉了一些比賽項目包括建立包括填進刪除掉那反而讓有一些選手沒有辦法因此而受惠甚至連這一次的出團比賽都沒有辦法\n346397\t350482\t那我覺得非常的可惜怎麼會有點本末倒置了呢當初小英總統在這個獸獎的時候表揚的時候的用意應該是鼓勵大家參賽不需要還要自費自價那當然是希望說最好是公費公價\n362997\t386025\t讓這些選手到國際上可以替台灣來爭光那沒有想到今年這個新制下去反而讓很多原本至少自費都還可以出席的選手連出席的機會都沒有了我希望這個部長可以回去了解這個警政署內部在選拔然後在提供這些比賽的運動項目的時候是不是有這樣的狀況如果有的話拜託下一次如果有機會盡量公平一點\n389906\t410104\t那我覺得他們是跟我說這次像消防署的心智就改得蠻好的讓大家雨露均沾公費都盡量能補助到那讓這些你看他們這一次60位裡面多數都是消防署派出來的選手那我覺得警政署可能還有改善的空間這個希望部長可以了解好嗎\n410984\t414227\t好謝謝委員好那最後一點時間因為今天其實要討論這個建築法那我也在這邊來表達一下我其實這幾年收到非常多的澄清案就是裝修蟑螂的事情那裝修蟑螂對我們請署長來回應好了\n426400\t448779\t因为这个署长可能应该也接收到很多的澄清案之前也都跟国土署有讨论过那只是因为其实我知道说建筑法里面相关的规定也算完善可是建这个装修蟑螂到现在还是非常的猖狂我不知道说署长这边有没有更好的方式可以解决包括说很多民众他们在找这个相关装修的\n449579\t453002\t工程行的資訊的時候到底是因為不夠透明或者是你們給的一些合格的名單不夠明確還是怎麼樣常常就是會有民眾疑似被詐騙就是他們找到一些跟你說很低價報價結果後面瘋狂的加價一開始跟你說工期很短結果他們給你收了九成的訂金之後就跑路了然後就把這個錢收了就留一個爛尾\n475839\t484167\t那像這樣的裝修的蟑螂甚至是說說他是詐騙也不為過可是到最後告上法院詐騙幾乎都不成立因為他們說他們有進場施工\n485976\t495939\t所以這就是現在法律上的困難那現在的陳情案陳出不窮近十年來大概有一萬三千多件都是這樣子裝修裝壤同樣的樣態真的非常的可惡那我不知道說署長這邊目前有沒有比較好的方式或者是建議如果要修建主法應該要怎麼樣去防範呢\n507483\t521802\t公文報告啦因為的確因為在室內裝修業來講他有他很明確的職業範圍那現在坊間比較大的一個狀況就是說當然因為這也有辦法而且我們也有合格的這個\n523464\t546055\t合格業者的名單其實網路上都有那當然一方面 大概民眾比較不習慣說不知道說應該要去找合法的業者因為往往這些很多這種四莊蟑螂他這一些部分都是因為他沒有合格的名單他可能有些名氣或在地方上被認為是他裝修比較價格比較合理那比較會低價報\n547896\t564884\t但是他往往沒有經過合法的程序也沒有合法的設立公司才會有這樣一個財務的部分那所以這些都是實務上的問題他比較不容易透過相關的立法說我一定是怎麼做但是我想這一個部分第一個我們可能會把室內裝修業的這一個\n566785\t586870\t執行的這個內容會在對外再說明清楚希望大家再透過合法的程序來申請這樣的一個程序第二個我們會來檢視看看在坊間有關的這一些契約內容是不是有違反一些這個疫苗消保的規定我想這一點也是很重要\n587330\t609958\t因為過去比較多的爭議就在於這一個沒有訂定契約或是契約的內容不明確那這些我想我們也來檢視看看看能不能對地方來講給消保單位給民眾一些比較具體的建議那這樣他在執行上比較有所依據也比較避免在沒有簽訂合理的契約狀況下就蒙受損失我想我們會從這兩點再來做\n612239\t628274\t好 這個真的要拜託署長喔真的不要再有更多的因為裝修蟑螂導致更多的受害者這樣一次都是兩三百萬可能他一次的積蓄都花在這個被詐騙上面了真的非常的可憐好不好 這個真的要拜託好 謝謝署長好\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們先請部長\n委員早好部長早這邊先跟您請教一個最近發生的事情就是昨天您有參加這個世界警消運動會的壽旗典禮對不對是那當然就是每兩年就一次就是世界上非常對於警消單位來說非常重要的一個運動會那我也樂見其實昨天部長到壽旗典禮上面是親自把這個國旗授給代表團的團長那這個團長也是由我們警政署的副署長來代表\n那部長也提到說希望選手可以為國爭光來提高我國的能見度但是呢就有選手來反映說其實因為兩年前的這個代表團出訪的時候有選手他們帶了我國的國旗那前兩年的舉辦是在加拿大那結果呢他帶了國旗被我們警政署要求說要拿掉\n那這是兩年前發生的事情那今年是到了美國那目前我得知說我們代表團還是沒有帶國旗那我們代表團帶的是中華台北的這個奧會的會旗\n那我看到也覺得非常的遺憾我們授旗的時候拿的是國旗那其實過去包括2003年在第10屆2005年11屆2013年15屆2017年第17屆的時候我們在開幕式或者是閉幕式都有舉國旗但是在上一次卻被我們自己的警政署說我們去參加世界警校運動會的時候不要舉我國的國旗\n那我不知道說今年的代表團可不可以部長會支持我們的代表團出席的時候舉國旗嗎報告委員我們能夠參加世界錦囂運動會當然要按照世界錦囂運動會的各項的賽事規則那我們能夠提高我們的國旗能見度當然是盡我們的所能\n而且大家都知道我們所參與的各項國際運動賽事最大的阻礙是在中國所以我們這次還是一樣按照以前的往例就是我們用奧會的會旗但是如果我們有在獎牌上面的頒獎典禮的時候舉國旗並不違法所以事實上我們是會旗跟國旗都有帶\n我想這個很多人可能比較不清楚因為沒有在新聞稿裡面呈現出來也就是說我們會用最大的彈性先來保障我們這些警消運動的選手大概有60位能夠在警消運動會裡面跟70國在將近1萬多位警消的人員互相做這個運動競技之外然後有增加我們的能見度我想所有參賽的選手以及帶團的這個副團長他是\n第一位女性的這個副署長她也都了解這樣的程序所以我想我們一定不會以我們自己要矮化成績我們絕對不是以這樣為原則而是我們如何在國際上能夠有能見度第一然後來保障我們中華民國國旗能夠建出於國際媒體的報導那這個我們一定會盡力努力來達成\n好 謝謝部長在這邊的承諾跟提醒因為我也是希望說如果有機會在國際的場合多展現我們的國旗當然就要盡量的提高我國的能見度而不是自我審查 自我矮化不會 因為我們的制服 被裝或者能夠看到的部分都會有國旗\n好那這就是尤其是今年是在美國舉辦那大家也知道說其實最近包括美國的移民局就也公告說如果出生國是台灣的話就直接寫台灣就好了不需要去加諸什麼中華或者是中國這樣子多餘甚至是不正確的字眼\n那这个也是美国像是美国最近的众议院也提了一个美国支持台湾的法案里面也都直接把中华台北相关的称呼都取消掉都说应该要改成台湾那既然美国都是这样子认定我们台湾就是可以直接写作台湾何必去美国比赛的时候还自我审查自我爱化呢世界行销运动会不是只有美国一个国家参加它是一个国际性的赛事团体\n所以我們按照國際性的賽事團體以往的這個規矩來處理那當然美國會給我們最大的協助就是我剛剛所說的如果我們中華民國的國旗可以在國際賽事的場合裡面呈現最大的能見度的話我們一定會想辦法達成\n謝謝 謝謝部長的承諾那幫我下一頁我也反映一下因為這個剛剛其實部長也有提到說在團服還有一些代表團裡面的一些旗幟可能都可以出現國旗那這個也是裡面團員有跟我說其實在肩上的這個臂章其實都還是只有中華台北奧會的這樣的一個logo那我也覺得比較可惜如果之後可以的話有機會也盡量把我們國家的意向放上去好 下一頁\n那这个就是2023年的时候发生的事情我也不希望这样的事情再重演好那最后还有一个是也是锦霄运动会就是因为其实今年属为了要实现我们上一次小英总统有说希望我们的选手出赛都可以是全公费的\n那結果呢為了要達成這個全公費的目的反而把裡面的一些選項刪掉了一些比賽項目包括建立包括填進刪除掉那反而讓有一些選手沒有辦法因此而受惠甚至連這一次的出團比賽都沒有辦法\n那我覺得非常的可惜怎麼會有點本末倒置了呢當初小英總統在這個獸獎的時候表揚的時候的用意應該是鼓勵大家參賽不需要還要自費自價那當然是希望說最好是公費公價\n讓這些選手到國際上可以替台灣來爭光那沒有想到今年這個新制下去反而讓很多原本至少自費都還可以出席的選手連出席的機會都沒有了我希望這個部長可以回去了解這個警政署內部在選拔然後在提供這些比賽的運動項目的時候是不是有這樣的狀況如果有的話拜託下一次如果有機會盡量公平一點\n那我覺得他們是跟我說這次像消防署的心智就改得蠻好的讓大家雨露均沾公費都盡量能補助到那讓這些你看他們這一次60位裡面多數都是消防署派出來的選手那我覺得警政署可能還有改善的空間這個希望部長可以了解好嗎\n好謝謝委員好那最後一點時間因為今天其實要討論這個建築法那我也在這邊來表達一下我其實這幾年收到非常多的澄清案就是裝修蟑螂的事情那裝修蟑螂對我們請署長來回應好了\n因为这个署长可能应该也接收到很多的澄清案之前也都跟国土署有讨论过那只是因为其实我知道说建筑法里面相关的规定也算完善可是建这个装修蟑螂到现在还是非常的猖狂我不知道说署长这边有没有更好的方式可以解决包括说很多民众他们在找这个相关装修的\n工程行的資訊的時候到底是因為不夠透明或者是你們給的一些合格的名單不夠明確還是怎麼樣常常就是會有民眾疑似被詐騙就是他們找到一些跟你說很低價報價結果後面瘋狂的加價一開始跟你說工期很短結果他們給你收了九成的訂金之後就跑路了然後就把這個錢收了就留一個爛尾\n那像這樣的裝修的蟑螂甚至是說說他是詐騙也不為過可是到最後告上法院詐騙幾乎都不成立因為他們說他們有進場施工\n所以這就是現在法律上的困難那現在的陳情案陳出不窮近十年來大概有一萬三千多件都是這樣子裝修裝壤同樣的樣態真的非常的可惡那我不知道說署長這邊目前有沒有比較好的方式或者是建議如果要修建主法應該要怎麼樣去防範呢\n公文報告啦因為的確因為在室內裝修業來講他有他很明確的職業範圍那現在坊間比較大的一個狀況就是說當然因為這也有辦法而且我們也有合格的這個\n合格業者的名單其實網路上都有那當然一方面 大概民眾比較不習慣說不知道說應該要去找合法的業者因為往往這些很多這種四莊蟑螂他這一些部分都是因為他沒有合格的名單他可能有些名氣或在地方上被認為是他裝修比較價格比較合理那比較會低價報\n但是他往往沒有經過合法的程序也沒有合法的設立公司才會有這樣一個財務的部分那所以這些都是實務上的問題他比較不容易透過相關的立法說我一定是怎麼做但是我想這一個部分第一個我們可能會把室內裝修業的這一個\n執行的這個內容會在對外再說明清楚希望大家再透過合法的程序來申請這樣的一個程序第二個我們會來檢視看看在坊間有關的這一些契約內容是不是有違反一些這個疫苗消保的規定我想這一點也是很重要\n因為過去比較多的爭議就在於這一個沒有訂定契約或是契約的內容不明確那這些我想我們也來檢視看看看能不能對地方來講給消保單位給民眾一些比較具體的建議那這樣他在執行上比較有所依據也比較避免在沒有簽訂合理的契約狀況下就蒙受損失我想我們會從這兩點再來做\n好 這個真的要拜託署長喔真的不要再有更多的因為裝修蟑螂導致更多的受害者這樣一次都是兩三百萬可能他一次的積蓄都花在這個被詐騙上面了真的非常的可憐好不好 這個真的要拜託好 謝謝署長好\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.918 --> 00:03.805\n好謝謝主席我們先請部長\n\n00:11.238 --> 00:35.637\n委員早好部長早這邊先跟您請教一個最近發生的事情就是昨天您有參加這個世界警消運動會的壽旗典禮對不對是那當然就是每兩年就一次就是世界上非常對於警消單位來說非常重要的一個運動會那我也樂見其實昨天部長到壽旗典禮上面是親自把這個國旗授給代表團的團長那這個團長也是由我們警政署的副署長來代表\n\n00:41.041 --> 01:05.176\n那部長也提到說希望選手可以為國爭光來提高我國的能見度但是呢就有選手來反映說其實因為兩年前的這個代表團出訪的時候有選手他們帶了我國的國旗那前兩年的舉辦是在加拿大那結果呢他帶了國旗被我們警政署要求說要拿掉\n\n01:05.856 --> 01:12.524\n那這是兩年前發生的事情那今年是到了美國那目前我得知說我們代表團還是沒有帶國旗那我們代表團帶的是中華台北的這個奧會的會旗\n\n01:20.834 --> 01:31.119\n那我看到也覺得非常的遺憾我們授旗的時候拿的是國旗那其實過去包括2003年在第10屆2005年11屆2013年15屆2017年第17屆的時候我們在開幕式或者是閉幕式都有舉國旗但是在上一次卻被我們自己的警政署說我們去參加世界警校運動會的時候不要舉我國的國旗\n\n01:49.108 --> 02:02.059\n那我不知道說今年的代表團可不可以部長會支持我們的代表團出席的時候舉國旗嗎報告委員我們能夠參加世界錦囂運動會當然要按照世界錦囂運動會的各項的賽事規則那我們能夠提高我們的國旗能見度當然是盡我們的所能\n\n02:10.066 --> 02:31.231\n而且大家都知道我們所參與的各項國際運動賽事最大的阻礙是在中國所以我們這次還是一樣按照以前的往例就是我們用奧會的會旗但是如果我們有在獎牌上面的頒獎典禮的時候舉國旗並不違法所以事實上我們是會旗跟國旗都有帶\n\n02:32.231 --> 02:42.358\n我想這個很多人可能比較不清楚因為沒有在新聞稿裡面呈現出來也就是說我們會用最大的彈性先來保障我們這些警消運動的選手大概有60位能夠在警消運動會裡面跟70國在將近1萬多位警消的人員互相做這個運動競技之外然後有增加我們的能見度我想所有參賽的選手以及帶團的這個副團長他是\n\n02:57.628 --> 03:14.452\n第一位女性的這個副署長她也都了解這樣的程序所以我想我們一定不會以我們自己要矮化成績我們絕對不是以這樣為原則而是我們如何在國際上能夠有能見度第一然後來保障我們中華民國國旗能夠建出於國際媒體的報導那這個我們一定會盡力努力來達成\n\n03:20.293 --> 03:38.949\n好謝謝部長在這邊的承諾跟提醒因為我也是希望說如果有機會在國際的場合多展現我們的國旗當然就要盡量的提高我國的能見度而不是自我審查自我矮化不會因為我們的制服被裝或者能夠看到的部分都會有國旗\n\n03:39.875 --> 03:57.967\n好那這就是尤其是今年是在美國舉辦那大家也知道說其實最近包括美國的移民局就也公告說如果出生國是台灣的話就直接寫台灣就好了不需要去加諸什麼中華或者是中國這樣子多餘甚至是不正確的字眼\n\n03:59.008 --> 04:24.486\n那这个也是美国像是美国最近的众议院也提了一个美国支持台湾的法案里面也都直接把中华台北相关的称呼都取消掉都说应该要改成台湾那既然美国都是这样子认定我们台湾就是可以直接写作台湾何必去美国比赛的时候还自我审查自我爱化呢世界行销运动会不是只有美国一个国家参加它是一个国际性的赛事团体\n\n04:24.986 --> 04:39.042\n所以我們按照國際性的賽事團體以往的這個規矩來處理那當然美國會給我們最大的協助就是我剛剛所說的如果我們中華民國的國旗可以在國際賽事的場合裡面呈現最大的能見度的話我們一定會想辦法達成\n\n04:40.743 --> 05:09.121\n謝謝謝謝部長的承諾那幫我下一頁我也反映一下因為這個剛剛其實部長也有提到說在團服還有一些代表團裡面的一些旗幟可能都可以出現國旗那這個也是裡面團員有跟我說其實在肩上的這個臂章其實都還是只有中華台北奧會的這樣的一個logo那我也覺得比較可惜如果之後可以的話有機會也盡量把我們國家的意向放上去好下一頁\n\n05:10.697 --> 05:28.259\n那这个就是2023年的时候发生的事情我也不希望这样的事情再重演好那最后还有一个是也是锦霄运动会就是因为其实今年属为了要实现我们上一次小英总统有说希望我们的选手出赛都可以是全公费的\n\n05:28.780 --> 05:32.043\n那結果呢為了要達成這個全公費的目的反而把裡面的一些選項刪掉了一些比賽項目包括建立包括填進刪除掉那反而讓有一些選手沒有辦法因此而受惠甚至連這一次的出團比賽都沒有辦法\n\n05:46.397 --> 05:50.482\n那我覺得非常的可惜怎麼會有點本末倒置了呢當初小英總統在這個獸獎的時候表揚的時候的用意應該是鼓勵大家參賽不需要還要自費自價那當然是希望說最好是公費公價\n\n06:02.997 --> 06:26.025\n讓這些選手到國際上可以替台灣來爭光那沒有想到今年這個新制下去反而讓很多原本至少自費都還可以出席的選手連出席的機會都沒有了我希望這個部長可以回去了解這個警政署內部在選拔然後在提供這些比賽的運動項目的時候是不是有這樣的狀況如果有的話拜託下一次如果有機會盡量公平一點\n\n06:29.906 --> 06:50.104\n那我覺得他們是跟我說這次像消防署的心智就改得蠻好的讓大家雨露均沾公費都盡量能補助到那讓這些你看他們這一次60位裡面多數都是消防署派出來的選手那我覺得警政署可能還有改善的空間這個希望部長可以了解好嗎\n\n06:50.984 --> 06:54.227\n好謝謝委員好那最後一點時間因為今天其實要討論這個建築法那我也在這邊來表達一下我其實這幾年收到非常多的澄清案就是裝修蟑螂的事情那裝修蟑螂對我們請署長來回應好了\n\n07:06.400 --> 07:28.779\n因为这个署长可能应该也接收到很多的澄清案之前也都跟国土署有讨论过那只是因为其实我知道说建筑法里面相关的规定也算完善可是建这个装修蟑螂到现在还是非常的猖狂我不知道说署长这边有没有更好的方式可以解决包括说很多民众他们在找这个相关装修的\n\n07:29.579 --> 07:33.002\n工程行的資訊的時候到底是因為不夠透明或者是你們給的一些合格的名單不夠明確還是怎麼樣常常就是會有民眾疑似被詐騙就是他們找到一些跟你說很低價報價結果後面瘋狂的加價一開始跟你說工期很短結果他們給你收了九成的訂金之後就跑路了然後就把這個錢收了就留一個爛尾\n\n07:55.839 --> 08:04.167\n那像這樣的裝修的蟑螂甚至是說說他是詐騙也不為過可是到最後告上法院詐騙幾乎都不成立因為他們說他們有進場施工\n\n08:05.976 --> 08:15.939\n所以這就是現在法律上的困難那現在的陳情案陳出不窮近十年來大概有一萬三千多件都是這樣子裝修裝壤同樣的樣態真的非常的可惡那我不知道說署長這邊目前有沒有比較好的方式或者是建議如果要修建主法應該要怎麼樣去防範呢\n\n08:27.483 --> 08:41.802\n公文報告啦因為的確因為在室內裝修業來講他有他很明確的職業範圍那現在坊間比較大的一個狀況就是說當然因為這也有辦法而且我們也有合格的這個\n\n08:43.464 --> 09:06.055\n合格業者的名單其實網路上都有那當然一方面大概民眾比較不習慣說不知道說應該要去找合法的業者因為往往這些很多這種四莊蟑螂他這一些部分都是因為他沒有合格的名單他可能有些名氣或在地方上被認為是他裝修比較價格比較合理那比較會低價報\n\n09:07.896 --> 09:24.884\n但是他往往沒有經過合法的程序也沒有合法的設立公司才會有這樣一個財務的部分那所以這些都是實務上的問題他比較不容易透過相關的立法說我一定是怎麼做但是我想這一個部分第一個我們可能會把室內裝修業的這一個\n\n09:26.785 --> 09:46.870\n執行的這個內容會在對外再說明清楚希望大家再透過合法的程序來申請這樣的一個程序第二個我們會來檢視看看在坊間有關的這一些契約內容是不是有違反一些這個疫苗消保的規定我想這一點也是很重要\n\n09:47.330 --> 10:09.958\n因為過去比較多的爭議就在於這一個沒有訂定契約或是契約的內容不明確那這些我想我們也來檢視看看看能不能對地方來講給消保單位給民眾一些比較具體的建議那這樣他在執行上比較有所依據也比較避免在沒有簽訂合理的契約狀況下就蒙受損失我想我們會從這兩點再來做\n\n10:12.239 --> 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