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00:00:58,469\n兩位早安那署長我先問你就是說我在4月初事實上有對少年矯正輔導那個議題呢質詢過那也跟矯正署索取書面回覆的報告那今天剛好我覺得今天衛福部也有人來所以我希望說能夠再針對逆境方案跟兩位在做討論那\n\n3\n00:01:01,212 --> 00:01:08,304\n逆境方案目前仍然是定期性的方案計畫第一會期的時候保護師有回覆我說\n\n4\n00:01:10,164 --> 00:01:33,597\n會朝向長年期的計畫去規劃可是現在實務上還是有很多意見都指出因為社工是方案委託不具有法定的權限在執行少年跟家庭處遇工作時的時候常常因為沒有權責所以處處碰壁所以特別今天我要提出兩種類型的就是失蹤兒少跟司法矯正少年的部分\n\n5\n00:01:35,678 --> 00:02:01,813\n首先想問署長目前各校的訪視時段是不是有統一的規劃每個月的名額是不是依照學生的數量去進行調整跟委員報告我們針對這個少年的部分他從入校之後我們連著上三個月內會做一些相關的調查包括他有沒有需要做一些家庭知識三個月內嗎\n\n6\n00:02:03,534 --> 00:02:21,321\n少年出校之後一年內我們會做後追這個後追可能是針對說他將來包括說他的就業就學或是有些就醫就養的問題我們會做一些協助提供一些平台資源的挹注\n\n7\n00:02:23,142 --> 00:02:49,584\n事實上上次質詢的時候我就有提過仿視空間跟機制的規劃不夠友善的問題矯正署也回覆我書面報告說我還是認為實務上遭遇的困難無法透過矯正署說的充分聯繫來解決我認為有需要有個明確的機制才會有效改善問題不然像燉品跟\n\n8\n00:02:50,845 --> 00:03:02,428\n每個月呢你剛剛提的好像很不錯都好像有一個很考量到時間性可是每個月甚至無法讓每一個學生都能夠至少有一次的訪視機會在2022年CRC被國際委員審查的時候\n\n9\n00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:32,268\n他的主席Duke他也講說一定要有比較多的時間讓他們跟家庭有互動甚至社工有互動未來歸戶社區的可能性才會比較高可是你這樣的像端平每個月甚至都無法讓每一個學生都有至少一次的訪視機會更不願讓家長委託社工寄送零用或者是會客的\n\n10\n00:03:33,348 --> 00:04:01,547\n那個菜那這個問題必須要盡快解決署長你可以承諾這個問題要去處理嗎是報告委員上次委員你有執行過我們回去有請我們紹角校還有相關的來做改進那我們所知道的是有一些社工他可以透過公務接見我們都會配合來做相關的時間的調整還有空間的提供\n\n11\n00:04:02,507 --> 00:04:06,730\n比較合適做一些輔導的這個部分我們都有在努力改進\n\n12\n00:04:32,227 --> 00:04:32,355\n谢谢大家\n\n13\n00:04:33,639 --> 00:05:02,013\n報告委員我們現在都有一個定期聯繫的那個機制包括就是說跟矯正署這邊還有另外有一個就是跟地方政府這邊的一個整個權責上的一個督導我們都有一個協調機制可是我不知道就是說我現在聽到的實務狀況是你剛剛講只是說有機制可是我問的是時間到底甚至結案的指標有沒有掌握因為各地方政府從接獲家長報案甚至\n\n14\n00:05:04,133 --> 00:05:28,422\n轉介到進案到派案的時間都不一定有的可以快速一週內派案有的需要將近三個月的時間那我認為這個時間間隔不應該這麼久因為這段時間兒少的狀況恐怕會有很大的變化也可能會造成非常的危險而且對於收案的逆境社工來說恐怕也沒有全收集到相關的資訊可以協助他去聯繫廚藥\n\n15\n00:05:29,922 --> 00:05:49,924\n本來是要派案社工去處理而且沒有任何資源可以提供鵝哨協助只能被動地接受這樣的狀況甚至未開案的結案指標設計部分單位因為失蹤鵝哨家案家的服務指引的規定就變相認定如果一個月內找不到人\n\n16\n00:05:50,484 --> 00:06:19,540\n沒有辦法完成調查評估的話就自己結案了有些是這樣做的欸等個案出現時就並不會重啟調查還上去持續再通報而且順利在一個月內找到人才能真正的做那個調查評估與後續的處遇介入所以這部分是不是我認為需要請市長這邊去協助檢視跟精進各縣市執行的時間的個案管理流程跟結案指標這個可以承諾做到嗎\n\n17\n00:06:20,740 --> 00:06:47,250\n巴委員非常感謝委員剛剛所點出這些問題我覺得這個如果說有超過三個月然後我想這個確實會對你看有的快到一週有的事實上要到三個月我覺得這個落差真的很大甚至有的一個月就給他結案找不到人就結案有的事實上找不到人三個月結案這各縣市的做法不太一樣最後我上次也有提到耳哨精神醫療資源的問題保護部也很誠實地回覆我說目前的困境在於我們的醫師員額的\n\n18\n00:06:48,951 --> 00:06:51,914\n我們會跟衛福部來隨時做一些溝通聯繫來盡量做一些改善保障這些少年的權益\n\n19\n00:07:14,457 --> 00:07:34,563\n目前衛福部也有推動嚴重情緒行為身障者精神醫療就醫的障礙改善計畫我知道今天新建師的專委也有來也麻煩你們提出書面報告說明目前跟矯正學校合作整個配合的狀況是什麼是不是有做外展服務以及目前的推動進度\n\n20\n00:07:36,423 --> 00:07:52,357\n那最後大家就是期待我對這個兒少年的輔導服務我主張可不可以完善各校的訪師機制上次已經有諮詢過有沒有一個明確的流程跟配套來提供少年跟家庭處於工作\n\n21\n00:07:52,877 --> 00:08:20,253\n的具體支持否則一旦他出了社區的話從高結構走到低結構的話沒有辦法讓社工在社區接得住小孩我覺得藥頭跟我們的幫派比我們搶小孩搶得更快第二個是讓全面檢視跟精進各地方的政府我覺得處理失蹤兒少的個案管理流程跟我們的結案指標那就要麻煩次長這邊還有快速佈建兒少精神醫療資源來加強跨單位的合作再麻煩兩位那麻煩這\n\n22\n00:08:23,795 --> 00:08:29,181\n兩週內是不是兩邊都可以給我書面報告好謝謝委員我們回去我們趕快來聽委員感謝感謝委員謝謝好謝謝那我們下一位請張祺凱\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16336\t21461\t主席麻煩我們的呂次長跟矯正署長矯正署署長還有次長呂次長呂建德呂次長次長和署長對\n37074\t58469\t兩位早安那署長我先問你就是說我在4月初事實上有對少年矯正輔導那個議題呢質詢過那也跟矯正署索取書面回覆的報告那今天剛好我覺得今天衛福部也有人來所以我希望說能夠再針對逆境方案跟兩位在做討論那\n61212\t68304\t逆境方案目前仍然是定期性的方案計畫第一會期的時候保護師有回覆我說\n70164\t93597\t會朝向長年期的計畫去規劃可是現在實務上還是有很多意見都指出因為社工是方案委託不具有法定的權限在執行少年跟家庭處遇工作時的時候常常因為沒有權責所以處處碰壁所以特別今天我要提出兩種類型的就是失蹤兒少跟司法矯正少年的部分\n95678\t121813\t首先想問署長目前各校的訪視時段是不是有統一的規劃每個月的名額是不是依照學生的數量去進行調整跟委員報告我們針對這個少年的部分他從入校之後我們連著上三個月內會做一些相關的調查包括他有沒有需要做一些家庭知識三個月內嗎\n123534\t141321\t少年出校之後一年內我們會做後追這個後追可能是針對說他將來包括說他的就業就學或是有些就醫就養的問題我們會做一些協助提供一些平台資源的挹注\n143142\t169584\t事實上上次質詢的時候我就有提過仿視空間跟機制的規劃不夠友善的問題矯正署也回覆我書面報告說我還是認為實務上遭遇的困難無法透過矯正署說的充分聯繫來解決我認為有需要有個明確的機制才會有效改善問題不然像燉品跟\n170845\t182428\t每個月呢 你剛剛提的好像很不錯都好像有一個很考量到時間性可是每個月甚至無法讓每一個學生都能夠至少有一次的訪視機會在2022年CRC被國際委員審查的時候\n187990\t212268\t他的主席Duke他也講說一定要有比較多的時間讓他們跟家庭有互動甚至社工有互動未來歸戶社區的可能性才會比較高可是你這樣的像端平每個月甚至都無法讓每一個學生都有至少一次的訪視機會更不願讓家長委託社工寄送零用或者是會客的\n213348\t241547\t那個菜那這個問題必須要盡快解決署長你可以承諾這個問題要去處理嗎是 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身障者精神醫療就醫的障礙改善計畫我知道今天新建師的專委也有來也麻煩你們提出書面報告說明目前跟矯正學校合作整個配合的狀況是什麼是不是有做外展服務以及目前的推動進度\n456423\t472357\t那最後大家就是期待我對這個兒少年的輔導服務我主張可不可以完善各校的訪師機制上次已經有諮詢過有沒有一個明確的流程跟配套來提供少年跟家庭處於工作\n472877\t500253\t的具體支持否則一旦他出了社區的話從高結構走到低結構的話沒有辦法讓社工在社區接得住小孩我覺得藥頭跟我們的幫派比我們搶小孩搶得更快第二個是讓全面檢視跟精進各地方的政府我覺得處理失蹤兒少的個案管理流程跟我們的結案指標那就要麻煩次長這邊還有快速佈建兒少精神醫療資源來加強跨單位的合作再麻煩兩位那麻煩這\n503795\t509181\t兩週內是不是兩邊都可以給我書面報告好 謝謝委員我們回去我們趕快來聽委員感謝 感謝委員謝謝好 謝謝那我們下一位請張祺凱\n","txt":"主席麻煩我們的呂次長跟矯正署長矯正署署長還有次長呂次長呂建德呂次長次長和署長對\n兩位早安那署長我先問你就是說我在4月初事實上有對少年矯正輔導那個議題呢質詢過那也跟矯正署索取書面回覆的報告那今天剛好我覺得今天衛福部也有人來所以我希望說能夠再針對逆境方案跟兩位在做討論那\n逆境方案目前仍然是定期性的方案計畫第一會期的時候保護師有回覆我說\n會朝向長年期的計畫去規劃可是現在實務上還是有很多意見都指出因為社工是方案委託不具有法定的權限在執行少年跟家庭處遇工作時的時候常常因為沒有權責所以處處碰壁所以特別今天我要提出兩種類型的就是失蹤兒少跟司法矯正少年的部分\n首先想問署長目前各校的訪視時段是不是有統一的規劃每個月的名額是不是依照學生的數量去進行調整跟委員報告我們針對這個少年的部分他從入校之後我們連著上三個月內會做一些相關的調查包括他有沒有需要做一些家庭知識三個月內嗎\n少年出校之後一年內我們會做後追這個後追可能是針對說他將來包括說他的就業就學或是有些就醫就養的問題我們會做一些協助提供一些平台資源的挹注\n事實上上次質詢的時候我就有提過仿視空間跟機制的規劃不夠友善的問題矯正署也回覆我書面報告說我還是認為實務上遭遇的困難無法透過矯正署說的充分聯繫來解決我認為有需要有個明確的機制才會有效改善問題不然像燉品跟\n每個月呢 你剛剛提的好像很不錯都好像有一個很考量到時間性可是每個月甚至無法讓每一個學生都能夠至少有一次的訪視機會在2022年CRC被國際委員審查的時候\n他的主席Duke他也講說一定要有比較多的時間讓他們跟家庭有互動甚至社工有互動未來歸戶社區的可能性才會比較高可是你這樣的像端平每個月甚至都無法讓每一個學生都有至少一次的訪視機會更不願讓家長委託社工寄送零用或者是會客的\n那個菜那這個問題必須要盡快解決署長你可以承諾這個問題要去處理嗎是 報告委員上次委員你有執行過我們回去有請我們紹角校還有相關的來做改進那我們所知道的是有一些社工他可以透過公務接見我們都會配合來做相關的時間的調整還有空間的提供\n比較合適做一些輔導的這個部分我們都有在努力改進\n谢谢大家\n報告委員我們現在都有一個定期聯繫的那個機制包括就是說跟矯正署這邊還有另外有一個就是跟地方政府這邊的一個整個權責上的一個督導我們都有一個協調機制可是我不知道就是說我現在聽到的實務狀況是你剛剛講只是說有機制可是我問的是時間到底甚至結案的指標有沒有掌握因為各地方政府從接獲家長報案甚至\n轉介到進案到派案的時間都不一定有的可以快速一週內派案有的需要將近三個月的時間那我認為這個時間間隔不應該這麼久因為這段時間兒少的狀況恐怕會有很大的變化也可能會造成非常的危險而且對於收案的逆境社工來說恐怕也沒有全收集到相關的資訊可以協助他去聯繫廚藥\n本來是要派案社工去處理而且沒有任何資源可以提供鵝哨協助只能被動地接受這樣的狀況甚至未開案的結案指標設計部分單位因為失蹤鵝哨家案家的服務指引的規定就變相認定如果一個月內找不到人\n沒有辦法完成調查評估的話就自己結案了有些是這樣做的欸等個案出現時就並不會重啟調查還上去持續再通報而且順利在一個月內找到人才能真正的做那個調查評估與後續的處遇介入所以這部分是不是我認為需要請市長這邊去協助檢視跟精進各縣市執行的時間的個案管理流程跟結案指標這個可以承諾做到嗎\n巴委員非常感謝委員剛剛所點出這些問題我覺得這個如果說有超過三個月然後我想這個確實會對你看有的快到一週有的事實上要到三個月我覺得這個落差真的很大甚至有的一個月就給他結案找不到人就結案有的事實上找不到人三個月結案這各縣市的做法不太一樣最後我上次也有提到耳哨精神醫療資源的問題保護部也很誠實地回覆我說目前的困境在於我們的醫師員額的\n我們會跟衛福部來隨時做一些溝通聯繫來盡量做一些改善保障這些少年的權益\n目前衛福部也有推動嚴重情緒行為 身障者精神醫療就醫的障礙改善計畫我知道今天新建師的專委也有來也麻煩你們提出書面報告說明目前跟矯正學校合作整個配合的狀況是什麼是不是有做外展服務以及目前的推動進度\n那最後大家就是期待我對這個兒少年的輔導服務我主張可不可以完善各校的訪師機制上次已經有諮詢過有沒有一個明確的流程跟配套來提供少年跟家庭處於工作\n的具體支持否則一旦他出了社區的話從高結構走到低結構的話沒有辦法讓社工在社區接得住小孩我覺得藥頭跟我們的幫派比我們搶小孩搶得更快第二個是讓全面檢視跟精進各地方的政府我覺得處理失蹤兒少的個案管理流程跟我們的結案指標那就要麻煩次長這邊還有快速佈建兒少精神醫療資源來加強跨單位的合作再麻煩兩位那麻煩這\n兩週內是不是兩邊都可以給我書面報告好 謝謝委員我們回去我們趕快來聽委員感謝 感謝委員謝謝好 謝謝那我們下一位請張祺凱\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.336 --> 00:21.461\n主席麻煩我們的呂次長跟矯正署長矯正署署長還有次長呂次長呂建德呂次長次長和署長對\n\n00:37.074 --> 00:58.469\n兩位早安那署長我先問你就是說我在4月初事實上有對少年矯正輔導那個議題呢質詢過那也跟矯正署索取書面回覆的報告那今天剛好我覺得今天衛福部也有人來所以我希望說能夠再針對逆境方案跟兩位在做討論那\n\n01:01.212 --> 01:08.304\n逆境方案目前仍然是定期性的方案計畫第一會期的時候保護師有回覆我說\n\n01:10.164 --> 01:33.597\n會朝向長年期的計畫去規劃可是現在實務上還是有很多意見都指出因為社工是方案委託不具有法定的權限在執行少年跟家庭處遇工作時的時候常常因為沒有權責所以處處碰壁所以特別今天我要提出兩種類型的就是失蹤兒少跟司法矯正少年的部分\n\n01:35.678 --> 02:01.813\n首先想問署長目前各校的訪視時段是不是有統一的規劃每個月的名額是不是依照學生的數量去進行調整跟委員報告我們針對這個少年的部分他從入校之後我們連著上三個月內會做一些相關的調查包括他有沒有需要做一些家庭知識三個月內嗎\n\n02:03.534 --> 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