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00:01:14,387\n內容的一個委員會的那我們委員會今天排這個預算其實我想我應該為台南講一些話那我在這裡先請教主席長這個美國罕見警告就是藍白兩黨勿不要那個二億三減國防預算那到目前為止\n\n5\n00:01:16,128 --> 00:01:27,221\n其實國民黨已經刪了在野黨已經刪了國防預算從國防部的武器設備及零件等等的一個軍事的裝備跟設施跟國軍的戰備工程他就刪了68.8億\n\n6\n00:01:33,889 --> 00:01:54,242\n那我想在這裡我要特別請教主席長就是說為什麼為什麼就是說在美國他們會這麼強調就是說他們嚴厲的警告那當然這個就是關係到我們台灣深層的一個問題不知道你對這個案子有什麼樣的一個看法\n\n7\n00:01:55,071 --> 00:02:07,487\n所以我們盡量要來確保我們的國防預算也希望逐漸達到GDP的3%以上然後往上逐漸來增加但是今年刪減的預算所以我們就沒有辦法刪減國防\n\n8\n00:02:09,730 --> 00:02:32,492\n立法院要求我們自行刪減636那636的話我們如果不刪一般性補助我們就必須要刪國防外交還有一個教育所以兩項權衡之下我們不得不才刪一般性補助款636這個部分那我們也是強調各縣市如果有問題我們行政院會全力來協助解決這個問題以上一個補充\n\n9\n00:02:34,073 --> 00:02:55,894\n當然主席長我們知道你在平衡就是我們台灣的每一個地方每一個地方政府的一個經濟面所以你做了揮就是說不得已的一些就是資源上的一個分配那我們從地方自治那個制度法跟財政收支劃分法裡頭我們去看到了這一些法源那當然\n\n10\n00:02:56,755 --> 00:02:57,316\n我們知道在上個月\n\n11\n00:03:11,940 --> 00:03:34,671\n在上個月就葉澤山副市長在我們的行政院會議裡頭有特別建議行政院就是用追加預算的一個方式來處理解決地方面臨到的一個困難因為在這一次的統三預算還有收支劃分法裡頭其實台南是一個最困境的又被刪了最多也被凍了最多\n\n12\n00:03:35,171 --> 00:03:59,850\n那是不是護士長你可以說明一下就是說在我們財政這麼困難的狀況之下那你們建議用什麼樣的一個方式來追加這個預算謝謝賴委員對地方政府一般性補助款被刪除的這樣子的困境的一個關心那因為這一次立法院刪除了中央的總預算2076億那我想\n\n13\n00:04:03,572 --> 00:04:31,329\n行政院也是做出了非常困難的決定才會刪除地方的所謂的一般性的一個補助款我想這個可以理解不過這的確造成了地方上在今年度預算執行各項計畫執行上非常大的一個困境所以台南市政府跟其他縣市都是一樣面臨這樣子的一個困難所以各縣市也都提出了因應的一些策略\n\n14\n00:04:31,969 --> 00:04:48,310\n那有些縣市是提出了所謂的訴願但是依照訴願法的話那提到行政院行政院在三個月之內要做出決定但是可以再展延兩個月我相信各地方政府沒有辦法等五個月因為現在已經是六月份了\n\n15\n00:04:49,071 --> 00:05:05,561\n如果再等到5月份到12月了那其實都沒有意義了所以過去因為台南市政府也曾在100年的時候被議會刪除了38億所以當時候就是用追加預算的方式來解決了當時候的一個困難\n\n16\n00:05:06,562 --> 00:05:34,277\n所以我們在上個禮拜在黃偉哲市長特別的指示之下我們在行政院會特別提出了請行政院考量用追加預算的方式來解決目前地方政府所遭遇到的一些困境那也謝謝行政院很快的來同意用追加預算的方式但是如果沒有立法院立委們大家的一個支持\n\n17\n00:05:35,202 --> 00:05:49,475\n我想這等於是空談所以我想在這裡也要特別拜託我們各位立委能夠考量到地方政府今年度各項計畫已經都在執行或是它是延續性的一個計畫不能夠停\n\n18\n00:05:52,037 --> 00:06:19,547\n所以要拜託各位立委們大家來共同支持行政院的追加預算那我想這是干擾體制最低最低而且最及時有效的方式啦干擾體制最低也是最快的一個方式啦我們知道就是說台南在六都的統籌分配款裡頭其實我們不僅是分配的最少也是增加的最少的啦那在這裡我要請教主計長如果一\n\n19\n00:06:20,307 --> 00:06:41,500\n那個台南市政府就是說他提出的一個追加預算的一個方式那如果是可行啦如果是可行那那個主席長這個需要多少的時間你可以去匯集地方政府的需求跟意見然後向行政院提出這個追加預算呢各位委員報告其實我們剛剛講的就是說\n\n20\n00:06:44,892 --> 00:07:00,601\n一般性補助的部分它主要是在調節縣市的不均衡那所以一般直轄市它分配61%的統籌分配稅那其他縣市是24%那這有基本上的不公平的現象所以我們就會透過一般性補助來把它彌平來\n\n21\n00:07:02,622 --> 00:07:23,708\n讓各縣市之間能夠達到一些的均衡所以一般縣市補助它的功用是在這裡跟統總分配稅款是按照營業稅那些的不一樣所以這個台南市的部分它在一般性的補助款的刪減部分它就會刪得比較多那主計長你一般性的補助的數額你怎麼去決定它呢\n\n22\n00:07:24,228 --> 00:07:51,128\n對我們就是按他一個基本的一個三項基本財政的一個項目然後再加一個增育財源就是說我補助你讓你比去年更多的一個部分這個除了定額補助以外還有一個增育財源這主要是這些項目但是現在就是說我們刪減了台南市有提出要追加預算但是追加預算也必須要符合追加預算的一個要件那第二個還要看你說時間要多少那必須要看\n\n23\n00:07:51,508 --> 00:08:17,143\n提出追加預算的一個項目第三個還要是說我們提出追加預算的部分要貴委員會貴院要能夠來支持那這才有用所以本身我們自己在追加預算的一個籌編的部分時間必須要看我們提追加預算項目的多寡這樣一般總預算他項目很多就大概需要三個月那如果項目不是那麼多我們可能盡量縮短時間以上一個補充\n\n24\n00:08:19,204 --> 00:08:47,657\n所以最少三個月啦好主席長我再請教你就是說那個行政院今天統三一般性的補助款這個合不合法它的法律依據在哪裡因為行政院已經決定在今年統三一般性的補助款25%囉那我們相對的我們台南也會減少52億那到底這個統三一般性的補助款到底是不是那個合法那你的法律依據在哪裡\n\n25\n00:08:48,439 --> 00:09:08,244\n是其實我們依照地方制度法第69條的一個規定我們對於中央對於財力較差的一個縣市佐予補助而且還要橫佐我們自己中央的一個力量來做一個補助所以我們現在刪一般性補助款我們也沒有違反相關的一個法令的規定\n\n26\n00:09:09,704 --> 00:09:33,276\n所以是在沒有違法那如果在沒有違法的前提之下我們都知道在1月21號就是立法院已經三讀通過2025年的中央那個政府的總預算案可是審查這個審查的這一個預算案是由多數席次的在野黨他們專制去主導那其實在這種非常混亂\n\n27\n00:09:34,497 --> 00:09:51,665\n那非常草率的就是通過了刪讀甚至沒有宣讀沒有宣讀就是刪減後的稅出的總額那如果因為這樣子這麼混亂的一個狀況之下那你來刪除這個一般性的一個補助款我可以不可以這樣講呢\n\n28\n00:09:53,007 --> 00:10:20,495\n是因為立法院刪除的一個要我們進行刪減636那金額盤納實在是自愛難行那另外也會造成政策成敗無所歸屬然後責任政治難以建立所以這個部分呢我們也提出復議但是復議又被維持原決議所以這個部分我們現在仍然在申請釋憲當中所以我們是盡所有的一個救濟程序的一個能力來做\n\n29\n00:10:22,295 --> 00:10:23,577\n好謝謝我想主計長加油謝謝賴兆偉的資訊\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1499\t4087\t謝謝主席 邀請主計長還有台南市護士長\n12694\t33052\t主席長 副市長早安我想行政院從去年8月將總預算送到立法院來審查現在已經超過9個月了主席長那距離立法院今天就是我們今年在1月21號三讀總預算到現在也有將近4個月其實\n34153\t34554\t今天排這一個\n53497\t74387\t內容的一個委員會的 那我們委員會今天排這個預算其實我想我應該為台南講一些話那我在這裡先請教主席長 這個美國罕見警告就是藍白兩黨勿不要那個二億三減國防預算那到目前為止\n76128\t87221\t其實國民黨已經刪了在野黨已經刪了國防預算從國防部的武器設備及零件等等的一個軍事的裝備跟設施跟國軍的戰備工程他就刪了68.8億\n93889\t114242\t那我想在這裡我要特別請教主席長就是說為什麼為什麼就是說在美國他們會這麼強調就是說他們嚴厲的警告那當然這個就是關係到我們台灣深層的一個問題不知道你對這個案子有什麼樣的一個看法\n115071\t127487\t所以我們盡量要來確保我們的國防預算也希望逐漸達到GDP的3%以上然後往上逐漸來增加但是今年刪減的預算所以我們就沒有辦法刪減國防\n129730\t152492\t立法院要求我們自行刪減636那636的話我們如果不刪一般性補助我們就必須要刪國防外交還有一個教育所以兩項權衡之下我們不得不才刪一般性補助款636這個部分那我們也是強調各縣市如果有問題我們行政院會全力來協助解決這個問題以上一個補充\n154073\t175894\t當然主席長我們知道你在平衡就是我們台灣的每一個地方每一個地方政府的一個經濟面所以你做了揮就是說不得已的一些就是資源上的一個分配那我們從地方自治那個制度法跟財政收支劃分法裡頭我們去看到了這一些法源那當然\n176755\t177316\t我們知道在上個月\n191940\t214671\t在上個月就葉澤山副市長在我們的行政院會議裡頭有特別建議行政院就是用追加預算的一個方式來處理解決地方面臨到的一個困難因為在這一次的統三預算還有收支劃分法裡頭其實台南是一個最困境的又被刪了最多也被凍了最多\n215171\t239850\t那是不是護士長你可以說明一下就是說在我們財政這麼困難的狀況之下那你們建議用什麼樣的一個方式來追加這個預算謝謝賴委員對地方政府一般性補助款被刪除的這樣子的困境的一個關心那因為這一次立法院刪除了中央的總預算2076億那我想\n243572\t271329\t行政院也是做出了非常困難的決定才會刪除地方的所謂的一般性的一個補助款我想這個可以理解不過這的確造成了地方上在今年度預算執行各項計畫執行上非常大的一個困境所以台南市政府跟其他縣市都是一樣面臨這樣子的一個困難所以各縣市也都提出了因應的一些策略\n271969\t288310\t那有些縣市是提出了所謂的訴願但是依照訴願法的話那提到行政院行政院在三個月之內要做出決定但是可以再展延兩個月我相信各地方政府沒有辦法等五個月因為現在已經是六月份了\n289071\t305561\t如果再等到5月份到12月了那其實都沒有意義了所以過去因為台南市政府也曾在100年的時候被議會刪除了38億所以當時候就是用追加預算的方式來解決了當時候的一個困難\n306562\t334277\t所以我們在上個禮拜在黃偉哲市長特別的指示之下我們在行政院會特別提出了請行政院考量用追加預算的方式來解決目前地方政府所遭遇到的一些困境那也謝謝行政院很快的來同意用追加預算的方式但是如果沒有立法院立委們大家的一個支持\n335202\t349475\t我想這等於是空談所以我想在這裡也要特別拜託我們各位立委能夠考量到地方政府今年度各項計畫已經都在執行或是它是延續性的一個計畫不能夠停\n352037\t379547\t所以要拜託各位立委們大家來共同支持行政院的追加預算那我想這是干擾體制最低最低而且最及時有效的方式啦干擾體制最低也是最快的一個方式啦我們知道就是說台南在六都的統籌分配款裡頭其實我們不僅是分配的最少也是增加的最少的啦那在這裡我要請教主計長如果一\n380307\t401500\t那個台南市政府就是說他提出的一個追加預算的一個方式那如果是可行啦如果是可行那那個主席長這個需要多少的時間你可以去匯集地方政府的需求跟意見然後向行政院提出這個追加預算呢各位委員報告其實我們剛剛講的就是說\n404892\t420601\t一般性補助的部分它主要是在調節縣市的不均衡那所以一般直轄市它分配61%的統籌分配稅那其他縣市是24%那這有基本上的不公平的現象所以我們就會透過一般性補助來把它彌平來\n422622\t443708\t讓各縣市之間能夠達到一些的均衡所以一般縣市補助它的功用是在這裡跟統總分配稅款是按照營業稅那些的不一樣所以這個台南市的部分它在一般性的補助款的刪減部分它就會刪得比較多那主計長你一般性的補助的數額你怎麼去決定它呢\n444228\t471128\t對我們就是按他一個基本的一個三項基本財政的一個項目然後再加一個增育財源就是說我補助你讓你比去年更多的一個部分這個除了定額補助以外還有一個增育財源這主要是這些項目但是現在就是說我們刪減了台南市有提出要追加預算但是追加預算也必須要符合追加預算的一個要件那第二個還要看你說時間要多少那必須要看\n471508\t497143\t提出追加預算的一個項目第三個還要是說我們提出追加預算的部分要貴委員會貴院要能夠來支持那這才有用所以本身我們自己在追加預算的一個籌編的部分時間必須要看我們提追加預算項目的多寡這樣一般總預算他項目很多就大概需要三個月那如果項目不是那麼多我們可能盡量縮短時間以上一個補充\n499204\t527657\t所以最少三個月啦好 主席長我再請教你就是說那個行政院今天統三一般性的補助款這個合不合法它的法律依據在哪裡因為行政院已經決定在今年統三一般性的補助款25%囉那我們相對的我們台南也會減少52億那到底這個統三一般性的補助款到底是不是那個合法那你的法律依據在哪裡\n528439\t548244\t是 其實我們依照地方制度法第69條的一個規定我們對於中央對於財力較差的一個縣市 佐予補助而且還要橫佐我們自己中央的一個力量來做一個補助所以我們現在刪一般性補助款我們也沒有違反相關的一個法令的規定\n549704\t573276\t所以是在沒有違法那如果在沒有違法的前提之下我們都知道在1月21號就是立法院已經三讀通過2025年的中央那個政府的總預算案可是審查這個審查的這一個預算案是由多數席次的在野黨他們專制去主導那其實在這種非常混亂\n574497\t591665\t那非常草率的就是通過了刪讀甚至沒有宣讀沒有宣讀就是刪減後的稅出的總額那如果因為這樣子這麼混亂的一個狀況之下那你來刪除這個一般性的一個補助款我可以不可以這樣講呢\n593007\t620495\t是因為立法院刪除的一個要我們進行刪減636那金額盤納實在是自愛難行那另外也會造成政策成敗無所歸屬然後責任政治難以建立所以這個部分呢我們也提出復議但是復議又被維持原決議所以這個部分我們現在仍然在申請釋憲當中所以我們是盡所有的一個救濟程序的一個能力來做\n622295\t623577\t好 謝謝我想主計長加油謝謝賴兆偉的資訊\n","txt":"謝謝主席 邀請主計長還有台南市護士長\n主席長 副市長早安我想行政院從去年8月將總預算送到立法院來審查現在已經超過9個月了主席長那距離立法院今天就是我們今年在1月21號三讀總預算到現在也有將近4個月其實\n今天排這一個\n內容的一個委員會的 那我們委員會今天排這個預算其實我想我應該為台南講一些話那我在這裡先請教主席長 這個美國罕見警告就是藍白兩黨勿不要那個二億三減國防預算那到目前為止\n其實國民黨已經刪了在野黨已經刪了國防預算從國防部的武器設備及零件等等的一個軍事的裝備跟設施跟國軍的戰備工程他就刪了68.8億\n那我想在這裡我要特別請教主席長就是說為什麼為什麼就是說在美國他們會這麼強調就是說他們嚴厲的警告那當然這個就是關係到我們台灣深層的一個問題不知道你對這個案子有什麼樣的一個看法\n所以我們盡量要來確保我們的國防預算也希望逐漸達到GDP的3%以上然後往上逐漸來增加但是今年刪減的預算所以我們就沒有辦法刪減國防\n立法院要求我們自行刪減636那636的話我們如果不刪一般性補助我們就必須要刪國防外交還有一個教育所以兩項權衡之下我們不得不才刪一般性補助款636這個部分那我們也是強調各縣市如果有問題我們行政院會全力來協助解決這個問題以上一個補充\n當然主席長我們知道你在平衡就是我們台灣的每一個地方每一個地方政府的一個經濟面所以你做了揮就是說不得已的一些就是資源上的一個分配那我們從地方自治那個制度法跟財政收支劃分法裡頭我們去看到了這一些法源那當然\n我們知道在上個月\n在上個月就葉澤山副市長在我們的行政院會議裡頭有特別建議行政院就是用追加預算的一個方式來處理解決地方面臨到的一個困難因為在這一次的統三預算還有收支劃分法裡頭其實台南是一個最困境的又被刪了最多也被凍了最多\n那是不是護士長你可以說明一下就是說在我們財政這麼困難的狀況之下那你們建議用什麼樣的一個方式來追加這個預算謝謝賴委員對地方政府一般性補助款被刪除的這樣子的困境的一個關心那因為這一次立法院刪除了中央的總預算2076億那我想\n行政院也是做出了非常困難的決定才會刪除地方的所謂的一般性的一個補助款我想這個可以理解不過這的確造成了地方上在今年度預算執行各項計畫執行上非常大的一個困境所以台南市政府跟其他縣市都是一樣面臨這樣子的一個困難所以各縣市也都提出了因應的一些策略\n那有些縣市是提出了所謂的訴願但是依照訴願法的話那提到行政院行政院在三個月之內要做出決定但是可以再展延兩個月我相信各地方政府沒有辦法等五個月因為現在已經是六月份了\n如果再等到5月份到12月了那其實都沒有意義了所以過去因為台南市政府也曾在100年的時候被議會刪除了38億所以當時候就是用追加預算的方式來解決了當時候的一個困難\n所以我們在上個禮拜在黃偉哲市長特別的指示之下我們在行政院會特別提出了請行政院考量用追加預算的方式來解決目前地方政府所遭遇到的一些困境那也謝謝行政院很快的來同意用追加預算的方式但是如果沒有立法院立委們大家的一個支持\n我想這等於是空談所以我想在這裡也要特別拜託我們各位立委能夠考量到地方政府今年度各項計畫已經都在執行或是它是延續性的一個計畫不能夠停\n所以要拜託各位立委們大家來共同支持行政院的追加預算那我想這是干擾體制最低最低而且最及時有效的方式啦干擾體制最低也是最快的一個方式啦我們知道就是說台南在六都的統籌分配款裡頭其實我們不僅是分配的最少也是增加的最少的啦那在這裡我要請教主計長如果一\n那個台南市政府就是說他提出的一個追加預算的一個方式那如果是可行啦如果是可行那那個主席長這個需要多少的時間你可以去匯集地方政府的需求跟意見然後向行政院提出這個追加預算呢各位委員報告其實我們剛剛講的就是說\n一般性補助的部分它主要是在調節縣市的不均衡那所以一般直轄市它分配61%的統籌分配稅那其他縣市是24%那這有基本上的不公平的現象所以我們就會透過一般性補助來把它彌平來\n讓各縣市之間能夠達到一些的均衡所以一般縣市補助它的功用是在這裡跟統總分配稅款是按照營業稅那些的不一樣所以這個台南市的部分它在一般性的補助款的刪減部分它就會刪得比較多那主計長你一般性的補助的數額你怎麼去決定它呢\n對我們就是按他一個基本的一個三項基本財政的一個項目然後再加一個增育財源就是說我補助你讓你比去年更多的一個部分這個除了定額補助以外還有一個增育財源這主要是這些項目但是現在就是說我們刪減了台南市有提出要追加預算但是追加預算也必須要符合追加預算的一個要件那第二個還要看你說時間要多少那必須要看\n提出追加預算的一個項目第三個還要是說我們提出追加預算的部分要貴委員會貴院要能夠來支持那這才有用所以本身我們自己在追加預算的一個籌編的部分時間必須要看我們提追加預算項目的多寡這樣一般總預算他項目很多就大概需要三個月那如果項目不是那麼多我們可能盡量縮短時間以上一個補充\n所以最少三個月啦好 主席長我再請教你就是說那個行政院今天統三一般性的補助款這個合不合法它的法律依據在哪裡因為行政院已經決定在今年統三一般性的補助款25%囉那我們相對的我們台南也會減少52億那到底這個統三一般性的補助款到底是不是那個合法那你的法律依據在哪裡\n是 其實我們依照地方制度法第69條的一個規定我們對於中央對於財力較差的一個縣市 佐予補助而且還要橫佐我們自己中央的一個力量來做一個補助所以我們現在刪一般性補助款我們也沒有違反相關的一個法令的規定\n所以是在沒有違法那如果在沒有違法的前提之下我們都知道在1月21號就是立法院已經三讀通過2025年的中央那個政府的總預算案可是審查這個審查的這一個預算案是由多數席次的在野黨他們專制去主導那其實在這種非常混亂\n那非常草率的就是通過了刪讀甚至沒有宣讀沒有宣讀就是刪減後的稅出的總額那如果因為這樣子這麼混亂的一個狀況之下那你來刪除這個一般性的一個補助款我可以不可以這樣講呢\n是因為立法院刪除的一個要我們進行刪減636那金額盤納實在是自愛難行那另外也會造成政策成敗無所歸屬然後責任政治難以建立所以這個部分呢我們也提出復議但是復議又被維持原決議所以這個部分我們現在仍然在申請釋憲當中所以我們是盡所有的一個救濟程序的一個能力來做\n好 謝謝我想主計長加油謝謝賴兆偉的資訊\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.499 --> 00:04.087\n謝謝主席邀請主計長還有台南市護士長\n\n00:12.694 --> 00:33.052\n主席長副市長早安我想行政院從去年8月將總預算送到立法院來審查現在已經超過9個月了主席長那距離立法院今天就是我們今年在1月21號三讀總預算到現在也有將近4個月其實\n\n00:34.153 --> 00:34.554\n今天排這一個\n\n00:53.497 --> 01:14.387\n內容的一個委員會的那我們委員會今天排這個預算其實我想我應該為台南講一些話那我在這裡先請教主席長這個美國罕見警告就是藍白兩黨勿不要那個二億三減國防預算那到目前為止\n\n01:16.128 --> 01:27.221\n其實國民黨已經刪了在野黨已經刪了國防預算從國防部的武器設備及零件等等的一個軍事的裝備跟設施跟國軍的戰備工程他就刪了68.8億\n\n01:33.889 --> 01:54.242\n那我想在這裡我要特別請教主席長就是說為什麼為什麼就是說在美國他們會這麼強調就是說他們嚴厲的警告那當然這個就是關係到我們台灣深層的一個問題不知道你對這個案子有什麼樣的一個看法\n\n01:55.071 --> 02:07.487\n所以我們盡量要來確保我們的國防預算也希望逐漸達到GDP的3%以上然後往上逐漸來增加但是今年刪減的預算所以我們就沒有辦法刪減國防\n\n02:09.730 --> 02:32.492\n立法院要求我們自行刪減636那636的話我們如果不刪一般性補助我們就必須要刪國防外交還有一個教育所以兩項權衡之下我們不得不才刪一般性補助款636這個部分那我們也是強調各縣市如果有問題我們行政院會全力來協助解決這個問題以上一個補充\n\n02:34.073 --> 02:55.894\n當然主席長我們知道你在平衡就是我們台灣的每一個地方每一個地方政府的一個經濟面所以你做了揮就是說不得已的一些就是資源上的一個分配那我們從地方自治那個制度法跟財政收支劃分法裡頭我們去看到了這一些法源那當然\n\n02:56.755 --> 02:57.316\n我們知道在上個月\n\n03:11.940 --> 03:34.671\n在上個月就葉澤山副市長在我們的行政院會議裡頭有特別建議行政院就是用追加預算的一個方式來處理解決地方面臨到的一個困難因為在這一次的統三預算還有收支劃分法裡頭其實台南是一個最困境的又被刪了最多也被凍了最多\n\n03:35.171 --> 03:59.850\n那是不是護士長你可以說明一下就是說在我們財政這麼困難的狀況之下那你們建議用什麼樣的一個方式來追加這個預算謝謝賴委員對地方政府一般性補助款被刪除的這樣子的困境的一個關心那因為這一次立法院刪除了中央的總預算2076億那我想\n\n04:03.572 --> 04:31.329\n行政院也是做出了非常困難的決定才會刪除地方的所謂的一般性的一個補助款我想這個可以理解不過這的確造成了地方上在今年度預算執行各項計畫執行上非常大的一個困境所以台南市政府跟其他縣市都是一樣面臨這樣子的一個困難所以各縣市也都提出了因應的一些策略\n\n04:31.969 --> 04:48.310\n那有些縣市是提出了所謂的訴願但是依照訴願法的話那提到行政院行政院在三個月之內要做出決定但是可以再展延兩個月我相信各地方政府沒有辦法等五個月因為現在已經是六月份了\n\n04:49.071 --> 05:05.561\n如果再等到5月份到12月了那其實都沒有意義了所以過去因為台南市政府也曾在100年的時候被議會刪除了38億所以當時候就是用追加預算的方式來解決了當時候的一個困難\n\n05:06.562 --> 05:34.277\n所以我們在上個禮拜在黃偉哲市長特別的指示之下我們在行政院會特別提出了請行政院考量用追加預算的方式來解決目前地方政府所遭遇到的一些困境那也謝謝行政院很快的來同意用追加預算的方式但是如果沒有立法院立委們大家的一個支持\n\n05:35.202 --> 05:49.475\n我想這等於是空談所以我想在這裡也要特別拜託我們各位立委能夠考量到地方政府今年度各項計畫已經都在執行或是它是延續性的一個計畫不能夠停\n\n05:52.037 --> 06:19.547\n所以要拜託各位立委們大家來共同支持行政院的追加預算那我想這是干擾體制最低最低而且最及時有效的方式啦干擾體制最低也是最快的一個方式啦我們知道就是說台南在六都的統籌分配款裡頭其實我們不僅是分配的最少也是增加的最少的啦那在這裡我要請教主計長如果一\n\n06:20.307 --> 06:41.500\n那個台南市政府就是說他提出的一個追加預算的一個方式那如果是可行啦如果是可行那那個主席長這個需要多少的時間你可以去匯集地方政府的需求跟意見然後向行政院提出這個追加預算呢各位委員報告其實我們剛剛講的就是說\n\n06:44.892 --> 07:00.601\n一般性補助的部分它主要是在調節縣市的不均衡那所以一般直轄市它分配61%的統籌分配稅那其他縣市是24%那這有基本上的不公平的現象所以我們就會透過一般性補助來把它彌平來\n\n07:02.622 --> 07:23.708\n讓各縣市之間能夠達到一些的均衡所以一般縣市補助它的功用是在這裡跟統總分配稅款是按照營業稅那些的不一樣所以這個台南市的部分它在一般性的補助款的刪減部分它就會刪得比較多那主計長你一般性的補助的數額你怎麼去決定它呢\n\n07:24.228 --> 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