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00:00:57,759\n致死我認為我們認為有很多的一個太陽如果以凌劣的手段來當殺人的一個方式的話我認為這個不是致死的問題這已經進入到那個殺人的一個範疇我們認為以未滿7歲這個兒童還被凌劣用凌劣的方式來殺人我認為應該要另外的立法來做一個比271條的殺人罪更重的一個刑度我們認為這個我們沒辦法去容忍這個問題\n\n3\n00:00:58,939 --> 00:01:13,413\n那所以我們的態度是這樣當然是以那個286那個是可以來做一個演繹的那所以部長你認為應該要怎麼修我們就直接談怎麼修因為現在委員的版本有提286的也有271的但剛剛你說應該要訂一個比271更重的\n\n4\n00:01:18,337 --> 00:01:42,956\n如果是淋虐七歲以下的幼童淋虐致死的話那應該要放在哪裡呢你們現在我相信你們一定有討論過事實上這個議題也不是因為最近的虐童案才受到關注過去就有很多兒童受虐致死的案件所以立法院我在第八屆第九屆的時候都有討論過法務部一向是反對的就是沒有想要增進死刑\n\n5\n00:01:43,496 --> 00:02:01,773\n但這次的案件又讓民意再次沸騰所以我相信部長你也感受到強大的民意的這樣的一個訴求那法律就是要服務人民嗎如果說我們現在想要去遏止這一種用凌虐的手段然後導致幼童死亡的這一些加害者\n\n6\n00:02:02,193 --> 00:02:25,880\n當他知道他在法律上面必須付出相對非常大的一個代價的話我認為這樣一個修法就是有其必要性那因為法務部一直說你們要研議因為這個議題也不是現在才發生你們過去就研議過我就直接請教部長你認為如果286271現行可能都不是修法要另外再增加的話要加在哪裡在我們的刑法\n\n7\n00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:53,877\n在刑法我們有一個思考這個方向因為我們現在昨天6月3日跟明天6月5日都要做一個行修的以及協商的召開的延伸的一個會議是那目前我們把我們的想法好你說做那個那我們想法大概整個立法方向就是剛才我跟委員報告過的對未滿7歲的兒童我們他以零列當作殺人的一個手段是把零列要殺人\n\n8\n00:02:54,697 --> 00:03:17,371\n用零列一開始計三個規制零列它而發生死亡的結果那這部分我們在打算是不是可以另外再另一條的一個法條來做單獨的加重的一個規定就是另立一個單獨的條文譬如說單獨的條文就像我們殺害執行學院遵信署也加重的條文那是不是我們這個殺人罪再加重的規定我們再朝這個立法的一個方向來處理\n\n9\n00:03:18,692 --> 00:03:44,838\n那這樣我想這部分可以更加落實保護的一個兒童那另外各委員本來有說286的加重結果那這邊我們都尊重那我想這部分我們拿出來這個條文我們拿出來就做一個行修的會議以及延伸會議的討論我們就會拿出來做一個一併的討論那你什麼時候會有結果因為事實上這個如果大家有共識上次那個委員會的時候委員有要求我們在三個月內提出嘛那我們就盡快來處理啦\n\n10\n00:03:47,266 --> 00:04:02,822\n你是說你明天就要再開另外一次會議那個是延伸是我們法部內部那因為我們還要再預告還要再報行政院來做一個審查那這個期間我們希望就是上次委員會有要求說我們在三個月內要提出來\n\n11\n00:04:03,912 --> 00:04:22,199\n這個部分我希望能快則快就是如果你們已經有個共識它可以用另立調穩的方式我相信這個是符合社會的期待而且希望可以加速推動過去在立法上面不是說一定行政院可以審得多慢要快的話行政院其實也很快我坦白講\n\n12\n00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:39,769\n只要法務部你們不反對專家學者大家有共識我想立法院也一定會支持就像今天看到這麼多委員提出這麼多的版本大家目標就有一個我們不再容忍凌虐兒童致死的這一些加害者他以為\n\n13\n00:04:40,569 --> 00:05:01,088\n在刑法上面他是一個比較輕的刑度他以為國家的法律不會苛於他更嚴格的這樣的一個刑責就是這種僥倖的心態我們絕對是沒有辦法接受的所以也藉著這樣的修法讓大家有一個很正確的意識幼童是我們每一個成人都應該去保護的而不是去傷害的對象\n\n14\n00:05:03,911 --> 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271現行可能都不是修法要另外再增加的話要加在哪裡在我們的刑法\n在刑法我們有一個思考這個方向因為我們現在昨天6月3日跟明天6月5日都要做一個行修的以及協商的召開的延伸的一個會議是那目前我們把我們的想法好你說做那個那我們想法大概整個立法方向就是剛才我跟委員報告過的對未滿7歲的兒童我們他以零列當作殺人的一個手段是把零列要殺人\n用零列一開始計三個規制零列它而發生死亡的結果那這部分我們在打算是不是可以另外再另一條的一個法條來做單獨的加重的一個規定就是另立一個單獨的條文譬如說單獨的條文就像我們殺害執行學院遵信署也加重的條文那是不是我們這個殺人罪再加重的規定我們再朝這個立法的一個方向來處理\n那這樣我想這部分可以更加落實保護的一個兒童那另外各委員本來有說286的加重結果那這邊我們都尊重那我想這部分我們拿出來這個條文我們拿出來就做一個行修的會議以及延伸會議的討論我們就會拿出來做一個一併的討論那你什麼時候會有結果因為事實上這個如果大家有共識上次那個委員會的時候委員有要求我們在三個月內提出嘛那我們就盡快來處理啦\n你是說你明天就要再開另外一次會議那個是延伸是我們法部內部那因為我們還要再預告還要再報行政院來做一個審查那這個期間我們希望就是上次委員會有要求說我們在三個月內要提出來\n這個部分我希望能快則快就是如果你們已經有個共識它可以用另立調穩的方式我相信這個是符合社會的期待而且希望可以加速推動過去在立法上面不是說一定行政院可以審得多慢要快的話行政院其實也很快我坦白講\n只要法務部你們不反對專家學者大家有共識我想立法院也一定會支持就像今天看到這麼多委員提出這麼多的版本大家目標就有一個我們不再容忍凌虐兒童致死的這一些加害者他以為\n在刑法上面他是一個比較輕的刑度他以為國家的法律不會苛於他更嚴格的這樣的一個刑責就是這種僥倖的心態我們絕對是沒有辦法接受的所以也藉著這樣的修法讓大家有一個很正確的意識幼童是我們每一個成人都應該去保護的而不是去傷害的對象\n如果有人用這一種傷害凌虐幼童的方式而導致他失去生命很抱歉這跟殺人無異你的刑責一定是跟殺人罪一樣最高可以到死刑我覺得如果台灣透過這樣一個修法事實上也是正式跟社會做一個很嚴正的宣告幼童大人的責任只有保護誰都不應該去傷害所以我覺得這樣的一個法義如果透過再次的修法可以很清楚的\n就是跟社會宣告的話我相信對於未來去制止或者是防止下一個幼童被犧牲這個應該會有很正面的效果所以部長我很高興聽到你剛剛是有這樣子的一個初步的修法的方向但是我認為此事這個後面的程序雖然你們之前說三個月內但是如果你們已經夠成熟大家也有共識立法院也有支持\n這一次立法院的這個會議已經延到7月底如果我們可以在7月底在這個有意義的法案上面我們既回應強大的民意然後也確保未來就是我們保護幼童國家跟刑法我們是站在一個更嚴肅的立場\n我們願意全力去捍衛我覺得這個是非常有意義價值的事情如果可以我希望你們盡快加速讓這一次立法院已經延會到七月底如果七月底我們可以通過修法我相信這個對保護兒少來講是邁出了一大步可不可以加油我們就加緊努力好 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