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00:00:27,042\n好謝謝主席我可不可以請主席長還有我們台北市政府的林華副市長林華副市長主席長苗栗縣的邱麗麗副縣長苗栗縣邱副縣長我們桃園市的桃園市的秘書長對還有我們連江縣連江縣的王縣長是王縣長不是秘書長\n\n3\n00:00:38,342 --> 00:01:01,088\n好主席長你先往前一下齁我先確認一下去年113年12月30號這個簡報這一張是不是你的畫紅線這是你做給我們立法院的報告一般性的補助款不能減少依法律意義之初皆屬相關法律規定無法因財政困難而予刪減\n\n4\n00:01:08,969 --> 00:01:36,301\n這是你寫的嘛好謝謝主席長所以我要提醒你不要著是驚飛不要今天的主席長打臉去年的主席長謝謝主席長主席長你可以回位子請坐好我先請麗華副市長副市長我剛才聽到你的報告跟說明我也看到我們一般性補助款做長照做教育做基礎設施\n\n5\n00:01:37,754 --> 00:01:51,439\n這些種種種種的費用我請問副市長這哪一項這次刪掉39億對不對台北市一般性的補助款37.9億37.9億2500億對台北市的影響37.9億我要請問副市長你要刪掉哪一塊哪一塊是你能撿的哪一項都沒辦法撿\n\n6\n00:02:03,752 --> 00:02:17,840\n每一項都很重要喔當然都沒辦法減因為都是照顧到弱勢還有兒少跟老人跟教育所以一個都不能少我看到是照顧學校照顧長輩\n\n7\n00:02:19,361 --> 00:02:42,960\n做學校做基礎建設更重要的是預算已經編列送到台北市議會所有的無論做基礎工程做坡路鋪馬路照顧臥室照顧長輩沒有一樣可以省所以主計長也在這邊你也做過台南縣政府台南市政府的主計長\n\n8\n00:02:44,541 --> 00:03:03,180\n就請主席長來指導我們要怎麼刪不然的話喔到時候變成蔣萬安市長李英王副市長再刪長輩的費用再刪育兒津貼我覺得這個要請中央指導我們好不好所以這時候拜託立法院能夠協助我們地方把相關的一般性補助款可以順利的撥給我們來執行謝謝\n\n9\n00:03:05,846 --> 00:03:17,656\n謝謝您也要附上我接下來是不是請苗栗縣苗栗縣是我知道全國唯二兩個縣市不能舉在一個是宜蘭一個是苗栗縣我請邱麗麗副縣長您來回應這個地方補助款25%對你們的衝擊\n\n10\n00:03:24,281 --> 00:03:36,584\n謝謝委員首先我要跟委員報告就是苗栗縣政府是唯一全國被財政異常控管而且是完全無法舉債的一個縣市那我們從105年的舉債389.76億已經到現在我們已經降低到346.69億一共清償了43億所以其實我們的財政基本上有困難的時候我們還是努力的調整自己的一個財政情形\n\n11\n00:03:54,307 --> 00:04:07,654\n同時也要兼顧相關的一個民生建設以及社福以及教育那因此苗栗在如此高依賴中央政府補助來支援我們施政需求的同時呢我可以舉一個例子我們114年的總稅入收入為\n\n12\n00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:16,438\n279.61億元那其中地方政府要自籌的是56.11億元佔20%而中央補助是223.5億高達80%佔比是80%而且這些預算已經都按照原額編列完成也經過我們議會的審議尤其我們現在經過這個中央政府\n\n13\n00:04:39,352 --> 00:04:47,038\n行政院已經合併我們是要來主辦逃逐娘大細股的一個計畫之一的一個縣市所以我們地方的一個基礎的建設以及相關的社福都一再的影響我們大細股未來的一個執行潛力因此我們現在從對不起委員\n\n14\n00:04:56,485 --> 00:04:57,606\n因為我們現在從113年本來我們中央主計處合併給我們的是102億9582萬元現在修正之後高達把我們整個刪除掉的有28億1233萬也就減幅達到了27%\n\n15\n00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,844\n然後我們合併之後只剩74億8480億2萬元這樣子如此高的一個三減額對我們後續的執行相關的社福跟甚至張羅未來的地方創生的這個大細股都會影響非常非常的巨大\n\n16\n00:05:34,479 --> 00:05:46,345\n這個一般性補助款邱正軍委員在線他都非常關心造成苗栗短掃66.9億我們現在苗栗每一年的總預算才279億這個短掃的差額其實佔將近十分之一的預算\n\n17\n00:05:54,116 --> 00:05:57,980\n所以主席長您在這邊您也指導一下既不能取債的縣市然後又要負擔辦大活動也好而且預算已經編列完成而且已經審議完畢實在不知道怎麼對議會交代\n\n18\n00:06:09,930 --> 00:06:11,011\n跟委員補充報告我們明年還要協助中央政府來籌辦這個2026年的台日觀光高峰論壇2027年我們還要協助中央政府來辦理台灣燈會\n\n19\n00:06:26,846 --> 00:06:51,696\n那這些都是非常重大的支出報告主計長我們沒有要跟你吵架啦他在講什麼你很聽得懂都是協助中央政府這都是中央的很多工作對方來執行所以請主計長告訴我們我們要刪減要哪一樣他既不能借錢你要叫他怎麼辦好來我最後邀請那個我們縣長縣長陶淵對不對陶淵這邊來\n\n20\n00:06:55,868 --> 00:07:15,968\n我想桃園的弱勢的民眾孩子其實他不知道發生什麼事他只知道他原來114年應該有的身心障礙的弱勢的日照社會保險的補助還有低收入弱勢兒童的醫療補助現在可能都沒有了\n\n21\n00:07:17,182 --> 00:07:44,735\n那我了解主計處的邏輯看到今天主計處的報告第三頁特別提到113年很多的縣市都有很多的剩餘只有一個沒有那個短處57億是誰是桃園市那桃園市正在發展正在成長\n\n22\n00:07:46,109 --> 00:07:54,295\n我們也默默的承受了全世界最大的天然氣的一個等於是發電站所以我們現在\n\n23\n00:07:56,435 --> 00:08:19,465\n卻沒有辦法拿到我們一般性補助款這個對桃園市來講影響非常的大那我們希望能夠這個主計長能夠像剛才回應有幾位委員提到對於縣市財政比較不好的包括我們有短處的希望能夠額外於考慮這是我們今天來的最主要目的\n\n24\n00:08:19,825 --> 00:08:32,846\n好,依法一般性不住,是不能刪的所以一開始我已經講了,他們這些報告也說不能刪好,我最後請我們的連江縣長縣長您辛苦了,來自最遠的地方,來縣長今天沒空,我是秘書長\n\n25\n00:08:35,327 --> 00:08:53,262\n是谢谢委员连江县是全国最小的县市那我们虽然这三个总额并不多三亿六千五百万可是以比例来说还是到27.3亿我应该这样讲我们这个自筹款才三亿八千万这个\n\n26\n00:08:54,301 --> 00:09:12,007\n可是這次的刪掉就三億六千五百萬所以對我們來講我們是五級的財政狀況所以自投款就已經三億八千萬三億六千萬對我們地方來講是非常非常大的負擔我簡單因為時間到我就不多講是希望中央能夠把這個部分還是給補給我們謝謝\n\n27\n00:09:13,928 --> 00:09:36,597\n好那我想大家的心聲應該主席長都有聽到請主席長再指導我們到底要三哪些每一塊都是社福每一塊都是教育都是各縣市政府第一線要做基礎建設而且預算都已經編列審訊完畢那就請主席長還有一些是承擔中央的很多的\n\n28\n00:09:38,058 --> 00:09:56,109\n活動或者是已經答應要辦的活動錢從哪裡來你們不想做壞人你們在指責說是立法院刪減預算但是一般性補助款你們自己也講說不能刪那所以知道我們後續要怎麼去做處理好謝謝以上好謝謝李委員的質詢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n892\t3921\t按到那一張\n8015\t27042\t好 謝謝主席我可不可以請主席長還有我們台北市政府的林華副市長林華副市長 主席長苗栗縣的邱麗麗副縣長苗栗縣邱副縣長我們桃園市的桃園市的秘書長對 還有我們連江縣連江縣的王縣長是王縣長 不是秘書長\n38342\t61088\t好主席長你先往前一下齁我先確認一下去年113年12月30號這個簡報這一張是不是你的畫紅線這是你做給我們立法院的報告一般性的補助款不能減少依法律意義之初 皆屬相關法律規定無法因財政困難而予刪減\n68969\t96301\t這是你寫的嘛好 謝謝主席長所以我要提醒你不要著是驚飛不要今天的主席長打臉去年的主席長謝謝主席長主席長你可以回位子請坐好 我先請麗華副市長副市長 我剛才聽到你的報告跟說明我也看到我們一般性補助款做長照 做教育 做基礎設施\n97754\t111439\t這些種種種種的費用我請問副市長這哪一項這次刪掉39億對不對台北市一般性的補助款37.9億37.9億2500億對台北市的影響37.9億我要請問副市長你要刪掉哪一塊哪一塊是你能撿的哪一項都沒辦法撿\n123752\t137840\t每一項都很重要喔當然都沒辦法減因為都是照顧到弱勢還有兒少跟老人跟教育所以一個都不能少我看到是照顧學校照顧長輩\n139361\t162960\t做學校 做基礎建設更重要的是 預算已經編列送到台北市議會所有的 無論做基礎工程做坡路 鋪馬路照顧臥室 照顧長輩沒有一樣可以省所以 主計長也在這邊你也做過台南縣政府台南市政府的主計長\n164541\t183180\t就請主席長來指導我們要怎麼刪 不然的話喔到時候變成蔣萬安市長 李英王副市長再刪長輩的費用 再刪育兒津貼我覺得這個要請中央指導我們 好不好所以這時候拜託立法院能夠協助我們地方把相關的一般性補助款可以順利的撥給我們來執行 謝謝\n185846\t197656\t謝謝 您也要附上我接下來是不是請苗栗縣苗栗縣是我知道全國唯二兩個縣市不能舉在一個是宜蘭 一個是苗栗縣我請邱麗麗副縣長您來回應這個地方補助款25%對你們的衝擊\n204281\t216584\t謝謝委員首先我要跟委員報告就是苗栗縣政府是唯一全國被財政異常控管而且是完全無法舉債的一個縣市那我們從105年的舉債389.76億已經到現在我們已經降低到346.69億一共清償了43億所以其實我們的財政基本上有困難的時候我們還是努力的調整自己的一個財政情形\n234307\t247654\t同時也要兼顧相關的一個民生建設以及社福以及教育那因此苗栗在如此高依賴中央政府補助來支援我們施政需求的同時呢我可以舉一個例子我們114年的總稅入收入為\n252836\t256438\t279.61億元那其中地方政府要自籌的是56.11億元佔20%而中央補助是223.5億高達80%佔比是80%而且這些預算已經都按照原額編列完成也經過我們議會的審議尤其我們現在經過這個中央政府\n279352\t287038\t行政院已經合併我們是要來主辦逃逐娘大細股的一個計畫之一的一個縣市所以我們地方的一個基礎的建設以及相關的社福都一再的影響我們大細股未來的一個執行潛力因此我們現在從對不起委員\n296485\t297606\t因為我們現在從113年本來我們中央主計處合併給我們的是102億9582萬元現在修正之後高達把我們整個刪除掉的有28億1233萬也就減幅達到了27%\n315080\t318844\t然後我們合併之後只剩74億8480億2萬元這樣子如此高的一個三減額對我們後續的執行相關的社福跟甚至張羅未來的地方創生的這個大細股都會影響非常非常的巨大\n334479\t346345\t這個一般性補助款 邱正軍委員在線他都非常關心造成苗栗短掃66.9億我們現在苗栗每一年的總預算才279億這個短掃的差額其實佔將近十分之一的預算\n354116\t357980\t所以主席長您在這邊您也指導一下既不能取債的縣市然後又要負擔辦大活動也好而且預算已經編列完成而且已經審議完畢實在不知道怎麼對議會交代\n369930\t371011\t跟委員補充報告我們明年還要協助中央政府來籌辦這個2026年的台日觀光高峰論壇2027年我們還要協助中央政府來辦理台灣燈會\n386846\t411696\t那這些都是非常重大的支出報告主計長我們沒有要跟你吵架啦他在講什麼你很聽得懂都是協助中央政府這都是中央的很多工作對方來執行所以請主計長告訴我們我們要刪減要哪一樣他既不能借錢你要叫他怎麼辦好來我最後邀請那個我們縣長縣長陶淵對不對陶淵這邊來\n415868\t435968\t我想桃園的弱勢的民眾孩子其實他不知道發生什麼事他只知道他原來114年應該有的身心障礙的弱勢的日照社會保險的補助還有低收入弱勢兒童的醫療補助現在可能都沒有了\n437182\t464735\t那我了解主計處的邏輯看到今天主計處的報告第三頁特別提到113年很多的縣市都有很多的剩餘只有一個沒有那個短處57億是誰是桃園市那桃園市正在發展正在成長\n466109\t474295\t我們也默默的承受了全世界最大的天然氣的一個等於是發電站所以我們現在\n476435\t499465\t卻沒有辦法拿到我們一般性補助款這個對桃園市來講影響非常的大那我們希望能夠這個主計長能夠像剛才回應有幾位委員提到對於縣市財政比較不好的包括我們有短處的希望能夠額外於考慮這是我們今天來的最主要目的\n499825\t512846\t好,依法一般性不住,是不能刪的所以一開始我已經講了,他們這些報告也說不能刪好,我最後請我們的連江縣長縣長您辛苦了,來自最遠的地方,來縣長今天沒空,我是秘書長\n515327\t533262\t是 谢谢委员连江县是全国最小的县市那我们虽然这三个总额并不多三亿六千五百万可是以比例来说还是到27.3亿我应该这样讲我们这个自筹款才三亿八千万这个\n534301\t552007\t可是這次的刪掉就三億六千五百萬所以對我們來講我們是五級的財政狀況所以自投款就已經三億八千萬三億六千萬對我們地方來講是非常非常大的負擔我簡單因為時間到我就不多講是希望中央能夠把這個部分還是給補給我們謝謝\n553928\t576597\t好 那我想大家的心聲應該主席長都有聽到請主席長再指導我們到底要三哪些每一塊都是社福 每一塊都是教育都是各縣市政府第一線要做基礎建設而且預算都已經編列審訊完畢那就請主席長還有一些是承擔中央的很多的\n578058\t596109\t活動或者是已經答應要辦的活動錢從哪裡來你們不想做壞人你們在指責說是立法院刪減預算但是一般性補助款你們自己也講說不能刪那所以知道我們後續要怎麼去做處理好謝謝以上好謝謝李委員的質詢\n","txt":"按到那一張\n好 謝謝主席我可不可以請主席長還有我們台北市政府的林華副市長林華副市長 主席長苗栗縣的邱麗麗副縣長苗栗縣邱副縣長我們桃園市的桃園市的秘書長對 還有我們連江縣連江縣的王縣長是王縣長 不是秘書長\n好主席長你先往前一下齁我先確認一下去年113年12月30號這個簡報這一張是不是你的畫紅線這是你做給我們立法院的報告一般性的補助款不能減少依法律意義之初 皆屬相關法律規定無法因財政困難而予刪減\n這是你寫的嘛好 謝謝主席長所以我要提醒你不要著是驚飛不要今天的主席長打臉去年的主席長謝謝主席長主席長你可以回位子請坐好 我先請麗華副市長副市長 我剛才聽到你的報告跟說明我也看到我們一般性補助款做長照 做教育 做基礎設施\n這些種種種種的費用我請問副市長這哪一項這次刪掉39億對不對台北市一般性的補助款37.9億37.9億2500億對台北市的影響37.9億我要請問副市長你要刪掉哪一塊哪一塊是你能撿的哪一項都沒辦法撿\n每一項都很重要喔當然都沒辦法減因為都是照顧到弱勢還有兒少跟老人跟教育所以一個都不能少我看到是照顧學校照顧長輩\n做學校 做基礎建設更重要的是 預算已經編列送到台北市議會所有的 無論做基礎工程做坡路 鋪馬路照顧臥室 照顧長輩沒有一樣可以省所以 主計長也在這邊你也做過台南縣政府台南市政府的主計長\n就請主席長來指導我們要怎麼刪 不然的話喔到時候變成蔣萬安市長 李英王副市長再刪長輩的費用 再刪育兒津貼我覺得這個要請中央指導我們 好不好所以這時候拜託立法院能夠協助我們地方把相關的一般性補助款可以順利的撥給我們來執行 謝謝\n謝謝 您也要附上我接下來是不是請苗栗縣苗栗縣是我知道全國唯二兩個縣市不能舉在一個是宜蘭 一個是苗栗縣我請邱麗麗副縣長您來回應這個地方補助款25%對你們的衝擊\n謝謝委員首先我要跟委員報告就是苗栗縣政府是唯一全國被財政異常控管而且是完全無法舉債的一個縣市那我們從105年的舉債389.76億已經到現在我們已經降低到346.69億一共清償了43億所以其實我們的財政基本上有困難的時候我們還是努力的調整自己的一個財政情形\n同時也要兼顧相關的一個民生建設以及社福以及教育那因此苗栗在如此高依賴中央政府補助來支援我們施政需求的同時呢我可以舉一個例子我們114年的總稅入收入為\n279.61億元那其中地方政府要自籌的是56.11億元佔20%而中央補助是223.5億高達80%佔比是80%而且這些預算已經都按照原額編列完成也經過我們議會的審議尤其我們現在經過這個中央政府\n行政院已經合併我們是要來主辦逃逐娘大細股的一個計畫之一的一個縣市所以我們地方的一個基礎的建設以及相關的社福都一再的影響我們大細股未來的一個執行潛力因此我們現在從對不起委員\n因為我們現在從113年本來我們中央主計處合併給我們的是102億9582萬元現在修正之後高達把我們整個刪除掉的有28億1233萬也就減幅達到了27%\n然後我們合併之後只剩74億8480億2萬元這樣子如此高的一個三減額對我們後續的執行相關的社福跟甚至張羅未來的地方創生的這個大細股都會影響非常非常的巨大\n這個一般性補助款 邱正軍委員在線他都非常關心造成苗栗短掃66.9億我們現在苗栗每一年的總預算才279億這個短掃的差額其實佔將近十分之一的預算\n所以主席長您在這邊您也指導一下既不能取債的縣市然後又要負擔辦大活動也好而且預算已經編列完成而且已經審議完畢實在不知道怎麼對議會交代\n跟委員補充報告我們明年還要協助中央政府來籌辦這個2026年的台日觀光高峰論壇2027年我們還要協助中央政府來辦理台灣燈會\n那這些都是非常重大的支出報告主計長我們沒有要跟你吵架啦他在講什麼你很聽得懂都是協助中央政府這都是中央的很多工作對方來執行所以請主計長告訴我們我們要刪減要哪一樣他既不能借錢你要叫他怎麼辦好來我最後邀請那個我們縣長縣長陶淵對不對陶淵這邊來\n我想桃園的弱勢的民眾孩子其實他不知道發生什麼事他只知道他原來114年應該有的身心障礙的弱勢的日照社會保險的補助還有低收入弱勢兒童的醫療補助現在可能都沒有了\n那我了解主計處的邏輯看到今天主計處的報告第三頁特別提到113年很多的縣市都有很多的剩餘只有一個沒有那個短處57億是誰是桃園市那桃園市正在發展正在成長\n我們也默默的承受了全世界最大的天然氣的一個等於是發電站所以我們現在\n卻沒有辦法拿到我們一般性補助款這個對桃園市來講影響非常的大那我們希望能夠這個主計長能夠像剛才回應有幾位委員提到對於縣市財政比較不好的包括我們有短處的希望能夠額外於考慮這是我們今天來的最主要目的\n好,依法一般性不住,是不能刪的所以一開始我已經講了,他們這些報告也說不能刪好,我最後請我們的連江縣長縣長您辛苦了,來自最遠的地方,來縣長今天沒空,我是秘書長\n是 谢谢委员连江县是全国最小的县市那我们虽然这三个总额并不多三亿六千五百万可是以比例来说还是到27.3亿我应该这样讲我们这个自筹款才三亿八千万这个\n可是這次的刪掉就三億六千五百萬所以對我們來講我們是五級的財政狀況所以自投款就已經三億八千萬三億六千萬對我們地方來講是非常非常大的負擔我簡單因為時間到我就不多講是希望中央能夠把這個部分還是給補給我們謝謝\n好 那我想大家的心聲應該主席長都有聽到請主席長再指導我們到底要三哪些每一塊都是社福 每一塊都是教育都是各縣市政府第一線要做基礎建設而且預算都已經編列審訊完畢那就請主席長還有一些是承擔中央的很多的\n活動或者是已經答應要辦的活動錢從哪裡來你們不想做壞人你們在指責說是立法院刪減預算但是一般性補助款你們自己也講說不能刪那所以知道我們後續要怎麼去做處理好謝謝以上好謝謝李委員的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.892 --> 00:03.921\n按到那一張\n\n00:08.015 --> 00:27.042\n好謝謝主席我可不可以請主席長還有我們台北市政府的林華副市長林華副市長主席長苗栗縣的邱麗麗副縣長苗栗縣邱副縣長我們桃園市的桃園市的秘書長對還有我們連江縣連江縣的王縣長是王縣長不是秘書長\n\n00:38.342 --> 01:01.088\n好主席長你先往前一下齁我先確認一下去年113年12月30號這個簡報這一張是不是你的畫紅線這是你做給我們立法院的報告一般性的補助款不能減少依法律意義之初皆屬相關法律規定無法因財政困難而予刪減\n\n01:08.969 --> 01:36.301\n這是你寫的嘛好謝謝主席長所以我要提醒你不要著是驚飛不要今天的主席長打臉去年的主席長謝謝主席長主席長你可以回位子請坐好我先請麗華副市長副市長我剛才聽到你的報告跟說明我也看到我們一般性補助款做長照做教育做基礎設施\n\n01:37.754 --> 01:51.439\n這些種種種種的費用我請問副市長這哪一項這次刪掉39億對不對台北市一般性的補助款37.9億37.9億2500億對台北市的影響37.9億我要請問副市長你要刪掉哪一塊哪一塊是你能撿的哪一項都沒辦法撿\n\n02:03.752 --> 02:17.840\n每一項都很重要喔當然都沒辦法減因為都是照顧到弱勢還有兒少跟老人跟教育所以一個都不能少我看到是照顧學校照顧長輩\n\n02:19.361 --> 02:42.960\n做學校做基礎建設更重要的是預算已經編列送到台北市議會所有的無論做基礎工程做坡路鋪馬路照顧臥室照顧長輩沒有一樣可以省所以主計長也在這邊你也做過台南縣政府台南市政府的主計長\n\n02:44.541 --> 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