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00:02:02,718\n對那大概方向是怎麼樣就是說以日以日來作為這一個請那個請休的這個方向是是確定的嗎我們現在是朝向讓暈暈流停也包括這個家庭照顧假能夠更具彈性包括能用更短的時間能夠請休的方向在演繹因為這也是現在其實蠻多新手的爸媽來跟我們表達他們其實真的有這個部分的需要就是說希望這個在暈暈停留的部分\n\n7\n00:02:03,038 --> 00:02:26,222\n我們可以用日來做請休然後在家庭照顧假的方面現在是可以用這個用小時來做來做這個請假嗎我們也是往這個方向在演繹所以目前還沒有就是家庭照顧假就是用這個小時來做這個請假現在是日現在家庭照顧假有7天對然後7天嘛那一天算8小時嘛那說785656個小時那未來\n\n8\n00:02:30,283 --> 00:02:40,955\n未來在修法的話因為這其實也不用修法有關這一個家庭照顧假這一個這個需要修法嗎如果說是從日改成小時來做勤領的話這需要修法嗎\n\n9\n00:02:41,638 --> 00:03:08,520\n我目前在研議你如果要這個方向的話基本上他應該是不用修法的不用修法那不用修法如果大家認為說這樣子更方便的話那何不就朝這個方向來做進行對所以我剛才跟跟委員說明我們的確現在是不管是家庭照顧假或者是暈流停的彈性的話現在是綜合的來思考那都是希望更彈性然後更短的時間來請修的這個方向但是現在的確是在這個\n\n10\n00:03:09,901 --> 00:03:28,801\n配套規劃的階段因為我們也希望能夠盡量去緩解可能包括企業他在人力調度上面的挑戰要怎麼幫他去克服或者是減少人力調度的挑戰的部分這個也同時我們一定來思考所以這些相關的資源我們目前配套所需要的資源我們也在跟行政院爭取中\n\n11\n00:03:29,441 --> 00:03:50,163\n在去年事辦的時候有人提到就是說這一個手續上比較繁複像勞保局填報資料然後這個流程很繁複然後希望說在城市上面如果做個這個設計然後可以讓這個請假更方便你們有朝這個方向來做處理嗎因為這只是一個技術上面的\n\n12\n00:03:55,146 --> 00:04:20,423\n劉庭是來自舊保險裡面的給付所以他會有一些是在這個相關給付裡面他要去給付的時候的一些規範不過我們也老保局其實這段時間也很積極的在針對這些相關操作的技術流程有沒有可能可以更簡便或者是可以減少更多的人力我想這也是我們在思考的配套的其中一個重點\n\n13\n00:04:21,203 --> 00:04:35,831\n因為從事辦到現在也蠻久的時間了那這是其中大家所提出來的一個需要你們改善我是想說那接下來不會有事辦計畫了接下來就是如果說真的要去做的話那就是一個政策出來那我們就去做了\n\n14\n00:04:36,371 --> 00:04:56,237\n我希望是直接就是進入到下一個階段那這個下一個階段就是我們剛剛在講的這些方向但是我還是要跟文說明過去之所以事辦也包括事辦的成效當然也要接受大家的一些指教其實很大的原因就是你必須把方方面面的配套給想清楚\n\n15\n00:04:57,077 --> 00:05:24,990\n那你把它配套給想清楚這個政策在開始進行以後它的效果能夠幫助到的人跟普及率才有辦法能夠更高所以我們自己在思考跟規劃這個政策的時候我們覺得配套能不能夠到位其實是關鍵所以為什麼我們會多花一些時間比較細膩的來做這些相關的規劃的原因所以這樣子你們也花了半年時間來做示範\n\n16\n00:05:26,130 --> 00:05:40,438\n對啊那我是希望說那像這個半年這個半年當然現在是先停下來的對啊這個半年我們這個半年研議可是其實比較多的時間確實是在配套所需要的機制包括配套所需要的資源我們現在也在爭取中\n\n17\n00:05:41,058 --> 00:06:07,947\n那所以說那可不可以歸納說就是老東部這個方先生說我們育嬰勤留就是說希望說能夠採日來做勤修那有關這一個家庭照顧下的話我們希望說能夠用小食來做清理的這個方向來做進行我們朝向這個方向那大概大概哪個時候會會提出來相關的配套我這是希望盡快我真的希望盡快但是現在確實是在跟行政爭取這些配套的資源我是希望下一個會期能夠提出來啦\n\n18\n00:06:09,639 --> 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5656個小時那未來\n150283\t160955\t未來在修法的話因為這其實也不用修法有關這一個家庭照顧假這一個這個需要修法嗎如果說是從日改成小時來做勤領的話這需要修法嗎\n161638\t188520\t我目前在研議你如果要這個方向的話基本上他應該是不用修法的不用修法那不用修法如果大家認為說這樣子更方便的話那何不就朝這個方向來做進行對所以我剛才跟跟委員說明我們的確現在是不管是家庭照顧假或者是暈流停的彈性的話現在是綜合的來思考那都是希望更彈性然後更短的時間來請修的這個方向但是現在的確是在這個\n189901\t208801\t配套規劃的階段因為我們也希望能夠盡量去緩解可能包括企業他在人力調度上面的挑戰要怎麼幫他去克服或者是減少人力調度的挑戰的部分這個也同時我們一定來思考所以這些相關的資源我們目前配套所需要的資源我們也在跟行政院爭取中\n209441\t230163\t在去年事辦的時候有人提到就是說這一個手續上比較繁複像勞保局填報資料然後這個流程很繁複然後希望說在城市上面如果做個這個設計然後可以讓這個請假更方便你們有朝這個方向來做處理嗎因為這只是一個技術上面的\n235146\t260423\t劉庭是來自舊保險裡面的給付所以他會有一些是在這個相關給付裡面他要去給付的時候的一些規範不過我們也老保局其實這段時間也很積極的在針對這些相關操作的技術流程有沒有可能可以更簡便或者是可以減少更多的人力我想這也是我們在思考的配套的其中一個重點\n261203\t275831\t因為從事辦到現在也蠻久的時間了那這是其中大家所提出來的一個需要你們改善我是想說那接下來不會有事辦計畫了接下來就是如果說真的要去做的話那就是一個政策出來那我們就去做了\n276371\t296237\t我希望是直接就是進入到下一個階段那這個下一個階段就是我們剛剛在講的這些方向但是我還是要跟文說明過去之所以事辦也包括事辦的成效當然也要接受大家的一些指教其實很大的原因就是你必須把方方面面的配套給想清楚\n297077\t324990\t那你把它配套給想清楚這個政策在開始進行以後它的效果能夠幫助到的人跟普及率才有辦法能夠更高所以我們自己在思考跟規劃這個政策的時候我們覺得配套能不能夠到位其實是關鍵所以為什麼我們會多花一些時間比較細膩的來做這些相關的規劃的原因所以這樣子你們也花了半年時間來做示範\n326130\t340438\t對啊那我是希望說那像這個半年這個半年當然現在是先停下來的對啊這個半年我們這個半年研議可是其實比較多的時間確實是在配套所需要的機制包括配套所需要的資源我們現在也在爭取中\n341058\t367947\t那所以說那可不可以歸納說就是老東部這個方先生說我們育嬰勤留就是說希望說能夠採日來做勤修那有關這一個家庭照顧下的話我們希望說能夠用小食來做清理的這個方向來做進行我們朝向這個方向那大概大概哪個時候會會提出來相關的配套我這是希望盡快我真的希望盡快但是現在確實是在跟行政爭取這些配套的資源我是希望下一個會期能夠提出來啦\n369639\t374230\t我希望可以更快更快好那更好啊好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝李委員謝謝部長那接下來請楊耀委員質詢\n","txt":"謝謝主席 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5656個小時那未來\n未來在修法的話因為這其實也不用修法有關這一個家庭照顧假這一個這個需要修法嗎如果說是從日改成小時來做勤領的話這需要修法嗎\n我目前在研議你如果要這個方向的話基本上他應該是不用修法的不用修法那不用修法如果大家認為說這樣子更方便的話那何不就朝這個方向來做進行對所以我剛才跟跟委員說明我們的確現在是不管是家庭照顧假或者是暈流停的彈性的話現在是綜合的來思考那都是希望更彈性然後更短的時間來請修的這個方向但是現在的確是在這個\n配套規劃的階段因為我們也希望能夠盡量去緩解可能包括企業他在人力調度上面的挑戰要怎麼幫他去克服或者是減少人力調度的挑戰的部分這個也同時我們一定來思考所以這些相關的資源我們目前配套所需要的資源我們也在跟行政院爭取中\n在去年事辦的時候有人提到就是說這一個手續上比較繁複像勞保局填報資料然後這個流程很繁複然後希望說在城市上面如果做個這個設計然後可以讓這個請假更方便你們有朝這個方向來做處理嗎因為這只是一個技術上面的\n劉庭是來自舊保險裡面的給付所以他會有一些是在這個相關給付裡面他要去給付的時候的一些規範不過我們也老保局其實這段時間也很積極的在針對這些相關操作的技術流程有沒有可能可以更簡便或者是可以減少更多的人力我想這也是我們在思考的配套的其中一個重點\n因為從事辦到現在也蠻久的時間了那這是其中大家所提出來的一個需要你們改善我是想說那接下來不會有事辦計畫了接下來就是如果說真的要去做的話那就是一個政策出來那我們就去做了\n我希望是直接就是進入到下一個階段那這個下一個階段就是我們剛剛在講的這些方向但是我還是要跟文說明過去之所以事辦也包括事辦的成效當然也要接受大家的一些指教其實很大的原因就是你必須把方方面面的配套給想清楚\n那你把它配套給想清楚這個政策在開始進行以後它的效果能夠幫助到的人跟普及率才有辦法能夠更高所以我們自己在思考跟規劃這個政策的時候我們覺得配套能不能夠到位其實是關鍵所以為什麼我們會多花一些時間比較細膩的來做這些相關的規劃的原因所以這樣子你們也花了半年時間來做示範\n對啊那我是希望說那像這個半年這個半年當然現在是先停下來的對啊這個半年我們這個半年研議可是其實比較多的時間確實是在配套所需要的機制包括配套所需要的資源我們現在也在爭取中\n那所以說那可不可以歸納說就是老東部這個方先生說我們育嬰勤留就是說希望說能夠採日來做勤修那有關這一個家庭照顧下的話我們希望說能夠用小食來做清理的這個方向來做進行我們朝向這個方向那大概大概哪個時候會會提出來相關的配套我這是希望盡快我真的希望盡快但是現在確實是在跟行政爭取這些配套的資源我是希望下一個會期能夠提出來啦\n我希望可以更快更快好那更好啊好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝主席好謝謝李委員謝謝部長那接下來請楊耀委員質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.740 --> 00:09.425\n謝謝主席我們請洪部長\n\n00:17.704 --> 00:40.098\n來部長好這個今天雖然談的是勞工退休金制度的改革不過總是要人有勞工未來有人繳這個保費勞保才不會倒所以我想還是問一下有關掃紙化跟勞動部有相關一些問題因為我注意到在今年4月的時候部長有接受專訪那也提到說\n\n00:41.059 --> 01:02.478\n你從立委到這個擔任部長那一直都積極努力要如何讓休假還有育嬰停留可以更彈性讓勞工可以兼顧職涯的發展那在去年這個勞動部也是有這個規劃這個以日為單位做一個請假的一個方式來做一個進行示範可是效果不是很好那我請教一下部長\n\n01:04.301 --> 01:12.599\n這個事辦去年事辦那接下來今年之後有關於這個育嬰停留以日來請休這個方向有在進行嗎\n\n01:13.820 --> 01:33.102\n跟文說明因為文其實也一直很關心那我們確實現在針對運營流停的彈性化那正在做下一個階段的規劃還有包括配套的設計那目前在這個程序當中那現在也在跟行政院在爭取相關的配套資源\n\n01:34.103 --> 02:02.718\n對那大概方向是怎麼樣就是說以日以日來作為這一個請那個請休的這個方向是是確定的嗎我們現在是朝向讓暈暈流停也包括這個家庭照顧假能夠更具彈性包括能用更短的時間能夠請休的方向在演繹因為這也是現在其實蠻多新手的爸媽來跟我們表達他們其實真的有這個部分的需要就是說希望這個在暈暈停留的部分\n\n02:03.038 --> 02:26.222\n我們可以用日來做請休然後在家庭照顧假的方面現在是可以用這個用小時來做來做這個請假嗎我們也是往這個方向在演繹所以目前還沒有就是家庭照顧假就是用這個小時來做這個請假現在是日現在家庭照顧假有7天對然後7天嘛那一天算8小時嘛那說785656個小時那未來\n\n02:30.283 --> 02:40.955\n未來在修法的話因為這其實也不用修法有關這一個家庭照顧假這一個這個需要修法嗎如果說是從日改成小時來做勤領的話這需要修法嗎\n\n02:41.638 --> 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