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00:02:29,971\n四年度我們的預算是短處94億短處94億換言之是入不敷出的入不敷出的部分就已經需要靠舉債來擬貧所以呢剛剛包括\n\n8\n00:02:33,806 --> 00:02:39,671\n那幾個縣市也有特別的請命希望主計處這邊能夠針對財政有短處的縣市應該要特別的重視我們的財政狀況那麼剛剛委員有提到我們統三是減少了27.3%多那麼事實上如果我們把它拆開來的話跟委員報告\n\n9\n00:02:57,805 --> 00:03:07,753\n那在總共大概有社福社會福利的經費那麼還有教育的經費可是社會福利對台中的影響是特別大的它超過了27%它的顯幅是高達34.02%因為它修正後是大概37億5000多萬\n\n10\n00:03:14,918 --> 00:03:19,139\n原來是56億9千多萬接近57億那麼減少了19億3620萬那它影響的會有哪些呢跟委員報告包括低收入戶的家庭兒童就學生活補助他們影響的有4億多影響有8萬人次以上\n\n11\n00:03:33,044 --> 00:03:59,820\n那麼中低收入戶的老人生活津貼在老人這個部分影響是三億五千多萬影響的有四萬八千多人次喔那麼身心障礙者的部分呢在生活補助上會影響九億六千多萬影響有十五萬人次的身心障礙者的生活補助另外還有國民年金的保費補助影響有兩億多那麼一估的影響是有三十五萬多人次那麼在教育的部分呢跟委員報告\n\n12\n00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:15,497\n原來核定數是30多億修正後少了5億剩下25億多減少18.56%那這會影響教育的部分是哪邊呢包括幼生的就學補助跟育兒的津貼補助那育兒補助\n\n13\n00:04:17,219 --> 00:04:41,997\n育兒津貼跟就學補助我也很了解在現在這個少子化的趨勢年輕夫妻生活特別辛苦時期的這個趨勢這個就學補助跟育兒津貼其實是特別需要的一個部分所以在這邊我們其實想要欲請中央一定要重視一般性補助款在這個預算額度上面以及在它的應用項目上面是非常的重要的\n\n14\n00:04:42,617 --> 00:05:05,044\n那麼不要讓大家覺得說最近常常在討論的什麼中正度中三度經國度的改名那中央說只要願意改我經費就給那結果呢真正大家需要的育兒津貼就學津貼我要的時候說錢不夠那為什麼會這樣大家都很好奇很疑惑是的是的我想今年通過的是最高的總預算現在政府有最多的錢\n\n15\n00:05:06,064 --> 00:05:28,907\n但是他沒辦法做事情拿了兩兆九千億但是他說他不能做事情那我們看看台中市政府每一年上繳給中央的這六年超過九千億每一年分配回來給市府的不到一千億啦所以這個部分地方政府努力的在創稅在收稅上繳給中央但是你中央現在大刀一砍\n\n16\n00:05:30,289 --> 00:05:33,794\n這個政治報復你的理由是說什麼你的理由是說這個\n\n17\n00:05:37,509 --> 00:06:02,632\n立法院刪除預算所以行政院就拿弱勢群體該有的補助款來威脅那全民其實現在都看得很清楚不是統刪不是刪減的問題結果變成是執政黨的政治報復那犧牲掉的是誰剛剛我們在那個主席長也有提到說這個國防外交教育都不能刪那我請教一下國防今年增加多少較去年國防增加400億\n\n18\n00:06:04,073 --> 00:06:17,507\n教育呢300億衛福呢306億交通呢389億內政超過400億每一個部份的預算都增加錢都增加但是我們的政府沒辦法做事情\n\n19\n00:06:18,362 --> 00:06:45,576\n找理由要來砍我們地方政府的一般性補助款再來一般性補助款是什麼法定義務支出行政機關不該任意的偵檢如果地方政府拒絕提供預算或決算資料的時候中央可以停播但是地方政府有拒絕嗎有嗎沒有啊那行政院濫權刪除一般性補助款這是不是開民主倒車現在\n\n20\n00:06:48,192 --> 00:07:15,735\n砍了25%所以這個部分我想大家都很清楚啦不是沒有錢是不想給不想給誰我們這些弱勢的民眾政府認為說弱勢的民眾不應該擁有這些錢所以他不給這心態可異啦所以我想在這邊我要跟主席長講主席長你剛剛提到的說合法合規為什麼我們所了解的法定義務支出\n\n21\n00:07:16,758 --> 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謝謝委員首先我想做一個澄清早上的吳秉慧委員他可能因為不是台中的委員所以他可能聽到別人人與議員的說法說台中市這邊的這個一般性補助款還比去年的多為什麼不能做事那這個可能是錯誤的資訊那麼我們在這個中央\n92868\t117211\t幫我們就是說把我們的這個一般性補助款做的統三之後減少27.3%之後呢我們剩下的一般性補助款是86.1億那我們去年的預算呢這是在一般性補助款的部分是109.8億換言之今年如果被統三的話呢我們的一般性補助款是比去年要少了20多億所以今年會比去年少如果三的話\n117931\t134399\t所以那五品會員所言他只有講的說這個今年比去年的多那基本上是沒有這個事情我在這邊第一個要特別的澄清那麼第二點呢剛剛有很多的縣市都討論了說有些我們的委員說很多縣市政府都有所謂的暫餘或者說財政的這個狀況是良好很不好意思台中並不是這樣台中在去年已經111\n140942\t149971\t四年度我們的預算是短處94億短處94億換言之是入不敷出的入不敷出的部分就已經需要靠舉債來擬貧所以呢剛剛包括\n153806\t159671\t那幾個縣市也有特別的請命希望主計處這邊能夠針對財政有短處的縣市應該要特別的重視我們的財政狀況那麼剛剛委員有提到我們統三是減少了27.3%多那麼事實上如果我們把它拆開來的話跟委員報告\n177805\t187753\t那在總共大概有社福社會福利的經費那麼還有教育的經費可是社會福利對台中的影響是特別大的它超過了27%它的顯幅是高達34.02%因為它修正後是大概37億5000多萬\n194918\t199139\t原來是56億9千多萬 接近57億那麼減少了19億3620萬那它影響的會有哪些呢 跟委員報告包括低收入戶的家庭兒童就學生活補助他們影響的有4億多 影響有8萬人次以上\n213044\t239820\t那麼中低收入戶的老人生活津貼在老人這個部分影響是三億五千多萬影響的有四萬八千多人次喔那麼身心障礙者的部分呢在生活補助上會影響九億六千多萬影響有十五萬人次的身心障礙者的生活補助另外還有國民年金的保費補助影響有兩億多那麼一估的影響是有三十五萬多人次那麼在教育的部分呢跟委員報告\n240680\t255497\t原來核定數是30多億修正後少了5億剩下25億多減少18.56%那這會影響教育的部分是哪邊呢包括幼生的就學補助跟育兒的津貼補助那育兒補助\n257219\t281997\t育兒津貼跟就學補助我也很了解在現在這個少子化的趨勢年輕夫妻生活特別辛苦時期的這個趨勢這個就學補助跟育兒津貼其實是特別需要的一個部分所以在這邊我們其實想要欲請中央一定要重視一般性補助款在這個預算額度上面以及在它的應用項目上面是非常的重要的\n282617\t305044\t那麼不要讓大家覺得說最近常常在討論的什麼中正度中三度經國度的改名那中央說只要願意改我經費就給那結果呢真正大家需要的育兒津貼就學津貼我要的時候說錢不夠那為什麼會這樣大家都很好奇很疑惑是的 是的我想今年通過的是最高的總預算現在政府有最多的錢\n306064\t328907\t但是他沒辦法做事情 拿了兩兆九千億但是他說他不能做事情那我們看看台中市政府每一年上繳給中央的這六年超過九千億每一年分配回來給市府的不到一千億啦所以這個部分地方政府努力的在創稅 在收稅 上繳給中央但是你中央現在大刀一砍\n330289\t333794\t這個政治報復你的理由是說什麼你的理由是說這個\n337509\t362632\t立法院刪除預算所以行政院就拿弱勢群體該有的補助款來威脅那全民其實現在都看得很清楚不是統刪不是刪減的問題結果變成是執政黨的政治報復那犧牲掉的是誰剛剛我們在那個主席長也有提到說這個國防外交教育都不能刪那我請教一下國防今年增加多少較去年國防增加400億\n364073\t377507\t教育呢 300億衛福呢 306億交通呢 389億內政超過400億每一個部份的預算都增加錢都增加但是我們的政府沒辦法做事情\n378362\t405576\t找理由要來砍我們地方政府的一般性補助款再來一般性補助款是什麼法定義務支出行政機關不該任意的偵檢如果地方政府拒絕提供預算或決算資料的時候中央可以停播但是地方政府有拒絕嗎有嗎 沒有啊那行政院濫權刪除一般性補助款這是不是開民主倒車現在\n408192\t435735\t砍了25%所以這個部分我想大家都很清楚啦不是沒有錢是不想給不想給誰我們這些弱勢的民眾政府認為說弱勢的民眾不應該擁有這些錢所以他不給這心態可異啦所以我想在這邊我要跟主席長講主席長你剛剛提到的說合法合規為什麼我們所了解的法定義務支出\n436758\t458580\t法律規定這是法律的紅線喔你不可以刪減一般性的補助款而且就算你這個法律規定就是要比上個年度的更高不能更低除非啊剛剛有提到說拒絕提供預算或預算資料並沒有發生這些事情\n459713\t477954\t所以我想今天很清楚的我們各縣市的這個副市長或者是我們的這個都到現場來的那我們希望的大家來到這邊就是表示表達我們的心聲不要為了一個政治的報復來去刪減到我們需要在\n479235\t498587\t地方上最需要補助最需要幫助的我們所有的這些弱勢族群包括我們長者長者的費用還有我們這些兒童需要照顧的費用所以今天我們在這邊強烈的要求希望主計總處我們主計長好好的回去反映一下\n501588\t520622\t趕快這個懸崖勒馬不要再做這樣的事情讓我們地方政府好做事讓我們地方政府可以好好對待我們地方的鄉親努力的創稅讓我們的稅收可以增加好不好好謝謝我們謝謝顏坤仁委員接著我們請黃珊珊委員\n","txt":"主席各位列席 觀眾大家早 主席有請台中市政府市長政府市長請\n那我想今天我們大家剛剛委員都在提現在今年是有史以來就是明年的總預算最高的總預算通過的是兩兆九千兩百四十八億但是我們政府卻大砍我們地方政府的一般性補助款\n那台中市以台中市為例每年上繳的1400億以上去年是2000億那總共6年加起來是超過9000億啦上繳中央嘛那這樣子大刀一砍砍掉我們地方性補助款27%對於這些刪減的內容包括低收入家庭兒童及學生生活輔導社會救助社福經費等等\n那我想先請教副市長你可告訴我們台中市被刪減這個一般性補助款之後對台中市有造成多大的危害好 謝謝委員首先我想做一個澄清早上的吳秉慧委員他可能因為不是台中的委員所以他可能聽到別人人與議員的說法說台中市這邊的這個一般性補助款還比去年的多為什麼不能做事那這個可能是錯誤的資訊那麼我們在這個中央\n幫我們就是說把我們的這個一般性補助款做的統三之後減少27.3%之後呢我們剩下的一般性補助款是86.1億那我們去年的預算呢這是在一般性補助款的部分是109.8億換言之今年如果被統三的話呢我們的一般性補助款是比去年要少了20多億所以今年會比去年少如果三的話\n所以那五品會員所言他只有講的說這個今年比去年的多那基本上是沒有這個事情我在這邊第一個要特別的澄清那麼第二點呢剛剛有很多的縣市都討論了說有些我們的委員說很多縣市政府都有所謂的暫餘或者說財政的這個狀況是良好很不好意思台中並不是這樣台中在去年已經111\n四年度我們的預算是短處94億短處94億換言之是入不敷出的入不敷出的部分就已經需要靠舉債來擬貧所以呢剛剛包括\n那幾個縣市也有特別的請命希望主計處這邊能夠針對財政有短處的縣市應該要特別的重視我們的財政狀況那麼剛剛委員有提到我們統三是減少了27.3%多那麼事實上如果我們把它拆開來的話跟委員報告\n那在總共大概有社福社會福利的經費那麼還有教育的經費可是社會福利對台中的影響是特別大的它超過了27%它的顯幅是高達34.02%因為它修正後是大概37億5000多萬\n原來是56億9千多萬 接近57億那麼減少了19億3620萬那它影響的會有哪些呢 跟委員報告包括低收入戶的家庭兒童就學生活補助他們影響的有4億多 影響有8萬人次以上\n那麼中低收入戶的老人生活津貼在老人這個部分影響是三億五千多萬影響的有四萬八千多人次喔那麼身心障礙者的部分呢在生活補助上會影響九億六千多萬影響有十五萬人次的身心障礙者的生活補助另外還有國民年金的保費補助影響有兩億多那麼一估的影響是有三十五萬多人次那麼在教育的部分呢跟委員報告\n原來核定數是30多億修正後少了5億剩下25億多減少18.56%那這會影響教育的部分是哪邊呢包括幼生的就學補助跟育兒的津貼補助那育兒補助\n育兒津貼跟就學補助我也很了解在現在這個少子化的趨勢年輕夫妻生活特別辛苦時期的這個趨勢這個就學補助跟育兒津貼其實是特別需要的一個部分所以在這邊我們其實想要欲請中央一定要重視一般性補助款在這個預算額度上面以及在它的應用項目上面是非常的重要的\n那麼不要讓大家覺得說最近常常在討論的什麼中正度中三度經國度的改名那中央說只要願意改我經費就給那結果呢真正大家需要的育兒津貼就學津貼我要的時候說錢不夠那為什麼會這樣大家都很好奇很疑惑是的 是的我想今年通過的是最高的總預算現在政府有最多的錢\n但是他沒辦法做事情 拿了兩兆九千億但是他說他不能做事情那我們看看台中市政府每一年上繳給中央的這六年超過九千億每一年分配回來給市府的不到一千億啦所以這個部分地方政府努力的在創稅 在收稅 上繳給中央但是你中央現在大刀一砍\n這個政治報復你的理由是說什麼你的理由是說這個\n立法院刪除預算所以行政院就拿弱勢群體該有的補助款來威脅那全民其實現在都看得很清楚不是統刪不是刪減的問題結果變成是執政黨的政治報復那犧牲掉的是誰剛剛我們在那個主席長也有提到說這個國防外交教育都不能刪那我請教一下國防今年增加多少較去年國防增加400億\n教育呢 300億衛福呢 306億交通呢 389億內政超過400億每一個部份的預算都增加錢都增加但是我們的政府沒辦法做事情\n找理由要來砍我們地方政府的一般性補助款再來一般性補助款是什麼法定義務支出行政機關不該任意的偵檢如果地方政府拒絕提供預算或決算資料的時候中央可以停播但是地方政府有拒絕嗎有嗎 沒有啊那行政院濫權刪除一般性補助款這是不是開民主倒車現在\n砍了25%所以這個部分我想大家都很清楚啦不是沒有錢是不想給不想給誰我們這些弱勢的民眾政府認為說弱勢的民眾不應該擁有這些錢所以他不給這心態可異啦所以我想在這邊我要跟主席長講主席長你剛剛提到的說合法合規為什麼我們所了解的法定義務支出\n法律規定這是法律的紅線喔你不可以刪減一般性的補助款而且就算你這個法律規定就是要比上個年度的更高不能更低除非啊剛剛有提到說拒絕提供預算或預算資料並沒有發生這些事情\n所以我想今天很清楚的我們各縣市的這個副市長或者是我們的這個都到現場來的那我們希望的大家來到這邊就是表示表達我們的心聲不要為了一個政治的報復來去刪減到我們需要在\n地方上最需要補助最需要幫助的我們所有的這些弱勢族群包括我們長者長者的費用還有我們這些兒童需要照顧的費用所以今天我們在這邊強烈的要求希望主計總處我們主計長好好的回去反映一下\n趕快這個懸崖勒馬不要再做這樣的事情讓我們地方政府好做事讓我們地方政府可以好好對待我們地方的鄉親努力的創稅讓我們的稅收可以增加好不好好謝謝我們謝謝顏坤仁委員接著我們請黃珊珊委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.702 --> 00:08.109\n主席各位列席觀眾大家早主席有請台中市政府市長政府市長請\n\n00:18.383 --> 00:37.662\n那我想今天我們大家剛剛委員都在提現在今年是有史以來就是明年的總預算最高的總預算通過的是兩兆九千兩百四十八億但是我們政府卻大砍我們地方政府的一般性補助款\n\n00:38.283 --> 01:04.477\n那台中市以台中市為例每年上繳的1400億以上去年是2000億那總共6年加起來是超過9000億啦上繳中央嘛那這樣子大刀一砍砍掉我們地方性補助款27%對於這些刪減的內容包括低收入家庭兒童及學生生活輔導社會救助社福經費等等\n\n01:05.037 --> 01:29.127\n那我想先請教副市長你可告訴我們台中市被刪減這個一般性補助款之後對台中市有造成多大的危害好謝謝委員首先我想做一個澄清早上的吳秉慧委員他可能因為不是台中的委員所以他可能聽到別人人與議員的說法說台中市這邊的這個一般性補助款還比去年的多為什麼不能做事那這個可能是錯誤的資訊那麼我們在這個中央\n\n01:32.868 --> 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