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00:02:24,875\n那我想因為有非常多人在關心嘛接下來可能講像這個出來了有人哭人笑可能這個問題會更嚴重請問次長第36屆金女獎的報名作品我們是不是依循第35屆新聞稿提到的原則可以使用AI作為輔助但不可以完全使用AI技術生成作品是不是這樣\n\n7\n00:02:25,866 --> 00:02:37,390\n對一樣維持這樣的原則就當作工具可以可是因為他沒有所謂的著作權人格所以這完全是聯席35屆嘛對不對謝謝你確定來說明但是如果這個原則已經確定了你們為什麼遲遲不修改獎勵要點跟報名須知呢你們為什麼不把這個規定明確化呢讓大家可以有規範可以質詢為什麼為什麼不修改進去啊\n\n8\n00:02:53,516 --> 00:03:19,957\n好那這部分我想如果有這個樣的需求我們還是可以在下一次的要點裡面這有點可惜因為都已經快要頒獎了6月28號那我們來看其實我幫市長跟文化部的同仁做了一點功課其實金曲獎只是其中一個案例我想文化部為了鼓勵文化產業這個我們也支持有很多的獎項補助但是對於AI生成或者是AI的創作\n\n9\n00:03:21,448 --> 00:03:37,390\n大家的這個相關的規範可以說是十分不一致啦那我這邊請次長看一下文化黑潮的台灣圖像角色IP品牌發展真案要點就宰明得非常清楚說AI技術可以作為輔助創作\n\n10\n00:03:38,952 --> 00:04:04,868\n製作流程的工具完全使用AI技術生成的話他還想得很棒他還說不是本真案支持的對象他還說你可以用但是我們不是要支持這個所以你如果有用這個技術的話你要主動揭露你要提出這個技術跟範圍你使用的這個做得不錯因為為什麼現在按一個鈕就可以生出一堆IP按一個鈕可以生出那個LINE的貼圖一整套\n\n11\n00:04:06,088 --> 00:04:19,698\n那第二個文化黑潮的T-Comics這個中長篇漫畫產製真愛要點呢完全的表明呢不受理用生成式AI作為創作工具的計畫金曼講呢獎勵要點沒有註明但是報名文件需檢附拒絕書說要使用AI自動生成軟體的創作情況但是金曼講呢直接禁止使用生成式AI創作的作品來比賽\n\n12\n00:04:34,648 --> 00:04:39,955\n文化部的繪本圖書創作呢則是在民不受理深圳市的AI作為創作工具的計畫欸很不一樣啊我這邊也直接把輕慢講的拿出來我覺得對年輕人實在很不公平啊\n\n13\n00:04:49,441 --> 00:04:58,714\n你們在裡面呢直接就寫了說不能用AI輔助也不行奇怪為什麼年輕人不行大人就可以是這樣嗎我想請教次長為什麼同樣類型的補強補助案對AI創作會有不一樣的接受標準你們考量因素是什麼\n\n14\n00:05:07,030 --> 00:05:14,175\n先跟委員做說明是這每一項計畫這個要點裡面要不要接受AI這件事情我們都先經過相對這些專業團體的諮詢讓他們跟他們討論要不要接受那這兩個最基本的差別如果是比較是屬於補助計畫類的它會比較寬鬆因為它並不是獎項的競爭沒有名次沒有的所以它是一種就像我們的精神是如果你做AI創作是我們的優先對象謝謝次長\n\n15\n00:05:35,450 --> 00:05:59,781\n但我們也看到裡面有一個地方您可能細細的沒看到金曼獎的部分要點就沒有載明我理解每一個可能有不一樣的但是有的根本沒寫這個我想不能這樣我想請教一下次長金曼獎有經過討論你有不一樣的接受度你就應該講清楚其實我們這還只是冰山一角我想文化部還有很多的補助獎補助獎項計畫都沒有載明的話\n\n16\n00:06:03,164 --> 00:06:11,571\n這次長這是什麼原因你說不一樣說不一樣的理由我這個我理解有個根本沒寫啊像我們今年36屆你就沒講啊這個是不是這個部分我想我們再來做一個全面的檢視把AI的深層到底接受或不接受接受到什麼程度裡面\n\n17\n00:06:21,058 --> 00:06:49,358\n能夠在要點裡面進行說明我們不用把AI妖魔化可是我覺得要講清楚本席具體要求文化部一個月內可不可以通盤檢討各項獎補助計畫跟獎項應該要在增建要點報名須知當中明文的規定對於AI創作的接受度讓藝文創作者台灣現在很多AI高手藝文創作者很多AI高手他們有明確的規範可以依循不然其實這之後可能有爭議你們也會很麻煩結果可不可以用書面方式來提供給本席\n\n18\n00:06:50,118 --> 00:07:05,889\n好謝謝我們來做檢視可不可以延了三個月因為我們的補助要點真的很多各司都有兩個月好不好因為我們是怕創作者一邊在創作不知道到底能不能用到時候用了又不能參加比賽搞不清楚狀況好不好早一點可以嗎好再來我想到判別方式無論你接不接受其實評審或者是評議的過程可能也會需要什麼呢你會需要判別\n\n19\n00:07:20,178 --> 00:07:25,162\n在這裡有人說有講判別方式有的用拒絕書有的是沒寫清楚那請問次長判別這個使用AI創作的過程如果出現爭議要如何處理有部分講像是不接受完全使用那請問100%跟90%99%使用AI創作要如何分辨這個要如何判定呢這個次長有沒有看法\n\n20\n00:07:47,482 --> 00:08:04,037\n這個部分我們跟這個領域的專家討論的是我們看現在可以接受AI的部分都是它作為背景的創作像剛剛那個金曼講裡頭它可以用AI的時候可以畫背景不能畫角色這樣啊對主要主創的部分金曼講上面沒寫啊\n\n21\n00:08:06,098 --> 00:08:23,552\n所以我們在討論的裡頭因為季曼講我們沒有規定不能用AI可是我們在審判裁判們或者是評審委員們在審查的時候用這樣的準則所以每一次到底要用你剛講的是100%還是90%還是幾%這個事情還是由審查委員就當前的作品來做一個通談的討論\n\n22\n00:08:31,258 --> 00:08:52,847\n我想想現在AI已經人眼分不出來啦評審要怎麼分啊所以這個部分我還是得請教因為我們像這次那個繪本的新秀獎有沒有AI生成創作所以我們就請了兩位在學校裡面用人眼看嗎我不知道他們的辨識方式是什麼啦可是我們的確是有請專家用什麼方法看啊\n\n23\n00:08:53,914 --> 00:09:19,479\n用人眼看我們就請兩位我覺得文化部要知道好不好文化部要知道為什麼因為我們很關注有沒有工具你們可以來合法而且值得性愛的判斷不然他用眼睛看我喜歡這個作品我說他不是AI我不喜歡這個作品我說他是AI那這樣子變成完全沒有依循標準所以我想文化部115年有沒有編列相關預算要進行採購\n\n24\n00:09:22,099 --> 00:09:25,300\n相關的AI判別的工具編列多少金額不好意思我真的不知道現在已經有這樣子的工具如果有的請委員能夠提供我們這方面的資訊文化部相關同仁我想跨部會也可以來合作一下書發部國科會同仁真的要努力因為我們這個AI的創作議題從\n\n25\n00:09:43,928 --> 00:10:06,537\n去年2月1號我上任我就開始不斷的問所以再拜託各位真的不能這個不然民眾會很困擾像我們剛剛提到甚至有你提到這個金半獎還有這種隱歸者趕快來更新那其實呢我們覺得現在是在預算編列的情況我們也希望之後的爭議減少啦所以我們也是在提說第一工具的採購趕快來研議第二其實國際上有一個趨勢既然你AI的創作可能會有很多的這種\n\n26\n00:10:13,460 --> 00:10:18,904\n這個是或不是百分百還是百分之九十其實國際趨勢是說乾脆設立一個AI專屬的獎項啦那我是比較瘋狂一點我說要不要來一個AI精創作獎啊其實台灣有很好的條件啊說不定把他們都導到這裡來你在其他獎項上也比較不會有爭議那譬如說這個AI快速發展洛杉磯即將要誕生第一個AI藝術博物館我請教一下市長\n\n27\n00:10:40,502 --> 00:10:45,669\n這些東西都逐漸的提高了能不能研議新增專屬AI藝術的獎項有沒有這個可能性\n\n28\n00:10:49,771 --> 00:10:54,974\n再請委員給我們一點時間我們來研究一下好嗎好我想當然我們還是注意主流國家相關著作權法對於人工智慧的技術在沒有人類參與的情況之下很可能會有不受著作權保護的問題但是有人類參與的情況之下其實是比較寬鬆的所以我想我們希望有一條康莊大道\n\n29\n00:11:10,623 --> 00:11:13,364\n讓台灣的文藝創作者可以結合科技我們台灣科技之島嘛我們又要做主權AI嘛我們應該要把他們導引到一個很棒的地方甚至全世界AI創作者都來我們的這個金AI文化創作獎不是很好嗎還可以鼓勵他們用本土的資料來訓練AI來創作\n\n30\n00:11:28,368 --> 00:11:49,262\n那我想這個只是一個大的方向我跟主席再爭取一點時間不好意思喔這個文化藝術應用深層式AI的指引其實一直有聽說你們六月下旬好像要公告那具體有沒有現在已經六月了六月五號了上旬了想請次長能不能簡要說明一下六月下旬是不是會公告什麼時候有沒有具體日期\n\n31\n00:11:51,988 --> 00:11:54,210\n會不會有定期檢視跟修改的機制因為AI跑得很快嘛預計多久檢視一次啊\n\n32\n00:12:08,806 --> 00:12:26,693\n有沒有這個機制我們通常所有的法令它都是會有逐年我們逐年都會做一個AI跑得很快我有點懷疑逐年可能會有點太慢請你們再研議一下那第二個問題呢是我想這個AI訓練資料其實很重要沒有資料沒有AI\n\n33\n00:12:27,113 --> 00:12:38,695\n沒有AI就沒有主權喔這是這個大家都認同的所以AI訓練資料庫目前速發部主責辦理請問最後兩個問題不好意思請問文化部是不是有受邀相關的會議有沒有站在藝文工作者的立場表達提供AI來用他們的資料來訓練會不會有合理的分論或講注的機制來幫助文化人提供他們的資料讓我們AI更有台灣價值有沒有這方面的討論政策上\n\n34\n00:12:55,618 --> 00:13:19,811\n首先我們有參加這樣的會議那在會議裡面我們現在目前提供的資料都以文化部以取得著作權的這樣的資料文字圖像都是那至於說其他還沒有著作權的這部分如何參與主權AI的訓練這部分我們還在繼續研議當中因為剛剛您提到了到底是要先談分潤還是要談以後創作出來的這個預計研議多久\n\n35\n00:13:20,171 --> 00:13:41,720\n現在日本已經開放了老久了吉普利已經擴散到全世界了因為目前速發部的政策他們編列預算只做我們已經有著作權的他還沒有辦法進行下一步的討論積極爭取好不好我想藝文人才是需要一點鼓勵那最後一個問題就是因為這個AI指引我有看到你們的會議記錄上其實很多的藝文人士都覺得予以鼓勵但是怕看不懂或不太理解\n\n36\n00:13:48,183 --> 00:14:01,474\n能不能製作懶人包和圖解或者用Podcast來宣傳一下甚至能不能建立未來有一個平台或專線讓藝文工作者在使用這些AI的時候遇到的疑問可以直接來詢問有沒有這個機會\n\n37\n00:14:02,708 --> 00:14:28,682\n好謝謝委員的指導這個我們也都會來進行規劃好謝謝我想AI科技對藝文創作真的不是洪水猛獸很可能反而是台灣價值在藝文世界可以發光的機會我們希望我們的文化部可以更積極主動啦幫助AI科技去融入文化藝術的領域幫助藝文工作者更加專注的把時間跟資源投注在需要人類表達情感灌注我們台灣價值我們中華民國的歷史\n\n38\n00:14:30,703 --> 00:14:47,910\n文化發揮創意的項目上希望文化部可以順應潮流我們一起運用科技的力量讓台灣在這個相關的文化藝術可以在國際上發光謝謝委員的指導我們文資局也真的依照委員的那個建議我們文資局也多項的引用AI的技術好謝謝謝謝謝謝葛如君昭偉次郎請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n15799\t19321\t謝謝主席,有請文化部李靜慧理事長好,有請理事長\n26253\t40986\t次長早第36屆金曲獎即將在本月底舉行頒獎典禮這次有最佳華語女歌手入圍者魏如萱小姐入圍當然希望大家都可以順利得獎\n41767\t52832\t他的入圍專輯裡面就有一首歌指黏土的MV裡面有描繪當下流行的AI話題由此可見其實藝術與AI還有文化之間的關係日漸緊密除了AI成為了創作的主題之外也可能成為創作工具的角色之一和文化藝術之間的交集可能會越來越密切本席曾經在質詢的時候速度的來關切\n66658\t95176\t文化艺术跟AI之间的竞合关系那近期艺文界有关注的焦点呢则是在于文化部组举办的各种奖项啊奖补助的计划到底能不能接受AI协作甚至是直接由AI生成的作品来参加那我们特别检视了金曲奖奖励要点跟报名须知我们发现呢完全没有注明到底AI协作或AI生成的作品可不可以报名参加\n96416\t124414\t那我们也觉得很奇怪报名须知完全也没有提是怎么样欢迎大家用AI来写作还是不欢迎可以不可以完全没有但是我们也回去查了发现第35届的时候讲得很清楚就说参考葛莱美奖等国际奖项AI技术可以辅助但如果你完全使用的话可能就不行\n125168\t144875\t那我想因為有非常多人在關心嘛接下來可能講像這個出來了有人哭人笑可能這個問題會更嚴重請問次長第36屆金女獎的報名作品我們是不是依循第35屆新聞稿提到的原則可以使用AI作為輔助但不可以完全使用AI技術生成作品是不是這樣\n145866\t157390\t對 一樣維持這樣的原則就當作工具可以可是因為他沒有所謂的著作權人格所以這完全是 聯席35屆嘛對不對謝謝你確定來說明但是如果這個原則已經確定了你們為什麼遲遲不修改獎勵要點跟報名須知呢你們為什麼不把這個規定明確化呢讓大家可以有規範可以質詢為什麼為什麼不修改進去啊\n173516\t199957\t好那這部分我想如果有這個樣的需求我們還是可以在下一次的要點裡面這有點可惜因為都已經快要頒獎了6月28號那我們來看其實我幫市長跟文化部的同仁做了一點功課其實金曲獎只是其中一個案例我想文化部為了鼓勵文化產業這個我們也支持有很多的獎項補助但是對於AI生成或者是AI的創作\n201448\t217390\t大家的這個相關的規範可以說是十分不一致啦那我這邊請次長看一下文化黑潮的台灣圖像角色IP品牌發展真案要點就宰明得非常清楚說AI技術可以作為輔助創作\n218952\t244868\t製作流程的工具完全使用AI技術生成的話他還想得很棒他還說不是本真案支持的對象他還說你可以用但是我們不是要支持這個所以你如果有用這個技術的話你要主動揭露你要提出這個技術跟範圍你使用的這個做得不錯因為為什麼現在按一個鈕就可以生出一堆IP按一個鈕可以生出那個LINE的貼圖一整套\n246088\t259698\t那第二個文化黑潮的T-Comics這個中長篇漫畫產製真愛要點呢完全的表明呢不受理用生成式AI作為創作工具的計畫金曼講呢獎勵要點沒有註明但是報名文件需檢附拒絕書說要使用AI自動生成軟體的創作情況但是金曼講呢直接禁止使用生成式AI創作的作品來比賽\n274648\t279955\t文化部的繪本圖書創作呢 則是在民不受理深圳市的AI作為創作工具的計畫欸 很不一樣啊我這邊也直接把輕慢講的拿出來我覺得對年輕人實在很不公平啊\n289441\t298714\t你們在裡面呢直接就寫了說不能用AI輔助也不行奇怪為什麼年輕人不行大人就可以是這樣嗎我想請教次長為什麼同樣類型的補強補助案對AI創作會有不一樣的接受標準你們考量因素是什麼\n307030\t314175\t先跟委員做說明是這每一項計畫這個要點裡面要不要接受AI這件事情我們都先經過相對這些專業團體的諮詢讓他們跟他們討論要不要接受那這兩個最基本的差別如果是比較是屬於補助計畫類的它會比較寬鬆因為它並不是獎項的競爭沒有名次沒有的所以它是一種就像我們的精神是如果你做AI創作是我們的優先對象謝謝次長\n335450\t359781\t但我們也看到裡面有一個地方您可能細細的沒看到金曼獎的部分要點就沒有載明我理解每一個可能有不一樣的但是有的根本沒寫這個我想不能這樣我想請教一下次長金曼獎有經過討論你有不一樣的接受度你就應該講清楚其實我們這還只是冰山一角我想文化部還有很多的補助獎補助獎項計畫都沒有載明的話\n363164\t371571\t這次長這是什麼原因你說不一樣說不一樣的理由我這個我理解有個根本沒寫啊像我們今年36屆你就沒講啊這個是不是這個部分我想我們再來做一個全面的檢視把AI的深層到底接受或不接受接受到什麼程度裡面\n381058\t409358\t能夠在要點裡面進行說明我們不用把AI妖魔化可是我覺得要講清楚本席具體要求文化部一個月內可不可以通盤檢討各項獎補助計畫跟獎項應該要在增建要點報名須知當中明文的規定對於AI創作的接受度讓藝文創作者台灣現在很多AI高手藝文創作者很多AI高手他們有明確的規範可以依循不然其實這之後可能有爭議你們也會很麻煩結果可不可以用書面方式來提供給本席\n410118\t425889\t好 謝謝我們來做檢視可不可以延了三個月因為我們的補助要點真的很多各司都有兩個月好不好因為我們是怕創作者一邊在創作不知道到底能不能用到時候用了又不能參加比賽搞不清楚狀況好不好早一點可以嗎好 再來我想到判別方式無論你接不接受其實評審或者是評議的過程可能也會需要什麼呢你會需要判別\n440178\t445162\t在這裡有人說有講判別方式有的用拒絕書有的是沒寫清楚那請問次長判別這個使用AI創作的過程如果出現爭議要如何處理有部分講像是不接受完全使用那請問100%跟90% 99%使用AI創作要如何分辨這個要如何判定呢這個次長有沒有看法\n467482\t484037\t這個部分我們跟這個領域的專家討論的是我們看現在可以接受AI的部分都是它作為背景的創作像剛剛那個金曼講裡頭它可以用AI的時候可以畫背景 不能畫角色這樣啊對 主要主創的部分金曼講上面沒寫啊\n486098\t503552\t所以我們在討論的裡頭因為季曼講我們沒有規定不能用AI可是我們在審判裁判們或者是評審委員們在審查的時候用這樣的準則所以每一次到底要用你剛講的是100%還是90%還是幾%這個事情還是由審查委員就當前的作品來做一個通談的討論\n511258\t532847\t我想想現在AI已經人眼分不出來啦評審要怎麼分啊所以這個部分我還是得請教因為我們像這次那個繪本的新秀獎有沒有AI生成創作所以我們就請了兩位在學校裡面用人眼看嗎我不知道他們的辨識方式是什麼啦可是我們的確是有請專家用什麼方法看啊\n533914\t559479\t用人眼看我們就請兩位我覺得文化部要知道好不好文化部要知道為什麼因為我們很關注有沒有工具你們可以來合法而且值得性愛的判斷不然他用眼睛看我喜歡這個作品我說他不是AI我不喜歡這個作品我說他是AI那這樣子變成完全沒有依循標準所以我想文化部115年有沒有編列相關預算要進行採購\n562099\t565300\t相關的AI判別的工具編列多少金額不好意思我真的不知道現在已經有這樣子的工具如果有的請委員能夠提供我們這方面的資訊文化部相關同仁我想跨部會也可以來合作一下書發部 國科會同仁真的要努力因為我們這個AI的創作議題從\n583928\t606537\t去年2月1號我上任我就開始不斷的問所以再拜託各位真的不能這個不然民眾會很困擾像我們剛剛提到甚至有你提到這個金半獎還有這種隱歸者趕快來更新那其實呢我們覺得現在是在預算編列的情況我們也希望之後的爭議減少啦所以我們也是在提說第一工具的採購趕快來研議第二其實國際上有一個趨勢既然你AI的創作可能會有很多的這種\n613460\t618904\t這個是或不是百分百還是百分之九十其實國際趨勢是說乾脆設立一個AI專屬的獎項啦那我是比較瘋狂一點我說要不要來一個AI精創作獎啊其實台灣有很好的條件啊說不定把他們都導到這裡來你在其他獎項上也比較不會有爭議那譬如說這個AI快速發展洛杉磯即將要誕生第一個AI藝術博物館我請教一下市長\n640502\t645669\t這些東西都逐漸的提高了能不能研議新增專屬AI藝術的獎項有沒有這個可能性\n649771\t654974\t再請委員給我們一點時間我們來研究一下好嗎好 我想當然我們還是注意主流國家相關著作權法對於人工智慧的技術在沒有人類參與的情況之下很可能會有不受著作權保護的問題但是有人類參與的情況之下其實是比較寬鬆的所以我想我們希望有一條康莊大道\n670623\t673364\t讓台灣的文藝創作者可以結合科技我們台灣科技之島嘛我們又要做主權AI嘛我們應該要把他們導引到一個很棒的地方甚至全世界AI創作者都來我們的這個金AI文化創作獎不是很好嗎還可以鼓勵他們用本土的資料來訓練AI來創作\n688368\t709262\t那我想這個只是一個大的方向我跟主席再爭取一點時間不好意思喔這個文化藝術應用深層式AI的指引其實一直有聽說你們六月下旬好像要公告那具體有沒有現在已經六月了六月五號了上旬了想請次長能不能簡要說明一下六月下旬是不是會公告什麼時候有沒有具體日期\n711988\t714210\t會不會有定期檢視跟修改的機制因為AI跑得很快嘛預計多久檢視一次啊\n728806\t746693\t有沒有這個機制我們通常所有的法令它都是會有逐年我們逐年都會做一個AI跑得很快我有點懷疑逐年可能會有點太慢請你們再研議一下那第二個問題呢是我想這個AI訓練資料其實很重要沒有資料沒有AI\n747113\t758695\t沒有AI就沒有主權喔這是這個大家都認同的所以AI訓練資料庫目前速發部主責辦理請問最後兩個問題不好意思請問文化部是不是有受邀相關的會議有沒有站在藝文工作者的立場表達提供AI來用他們的資料來訓練會不會有合理的分論或講注的機制來幫助文化人提供他們的資料讓我們AI更有台灣價值有沒有這方面的討論政策上\n775618\t799811\t首先我們有參加這樣的會議那在會議裡面我們現在目前提供的資料都以文化部以取得著作權的這樣的資料文字圖像都是那至於說其他還沒有著作權的這部分如何參與主權AI的訓練這部分我們還在繼續研議當中因為剛剛您提到了到底是要先談分潤還是要談以後創作出來的這個預計研議多久\n800171\t821720\t現在日本已經開放了老久了吉普利已經擴散到全世界了因為目前速發部的政策他們編列預算只做我們已經有著作權的他還沒有辦法進行下一步的討論積極爭取好不好我想藝文人才是需要一點鼓勵那最後一個問題就是因為這個AI指引我有看到你們的會議記錄上其實很多的藝文人士都覺得予以鼓勵但是怕看不懂或不太理解\n828183\t841474\t能不能製作懶人包和圖解或者用Podcast來宣傳一下甚至能不能建立未來有一個平台或專線讓藝文工作者在使用這些AI的時候遇到的疑問可以直接來詢問有沒有這個機會\n842708\t868682\t好 謝謝委員的指導這個我們也都會來進行規劃好 謝謝我想AI科技對藝文創作真的不是洪水猛獸很可能反而是台灣價值在藝文世界可以發光的機會我們希望我們的文化部可以更積極主動啦幫助AI科技去融入文化藝術的領域幫助藝文工作者更加專注的把時間跟資源投注在需要人類表達情感灌注我們台灣價值我們中華民國的歷史\n870703\t887910\t文化發揮創意的項目上希望文化部可以順應潮流我們一起運用科技的力量讓台灣在這個相關的文化藝術可以在國際上發光謝謝委員的指導我們文資局也真的依照委員的那個建議我們文資局也多項的引用AI的技術好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝葛如君 昭偉次郎請回\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請文化部李靜慧理事長好,有請理事長\n次長早第36屆金曲獎即將在本月底舉行頒獎典禮這次有最佳華語女歌手入圍者魏如萱小姐入圍當然希望大家都可以順利得獎\n他的入圍專輯裡面就有一首歌指黏土的MV裡面有描繪當下流行的AI話題由此可見其實藝術與AI還有文化之間的關係日漸緊密除了AI成為了創作的主題之外也可能成為創作工具的角色之一和文化藝術之間的交集可能會越來越密切本席曾經在質詢的時候速度的來關切\n文化艺术跟AI之间的竞合关系那近期艺文界有关注的焦点呢则是在于文化部组举办的各种奖项啊奖补助的计划到底能不能接受AI协作甚至是直接由AI生成的作品来参加那我们特别检视了金曲奖奖励要点跟报名须知我们发现呢完全没有注明到底AI协作或AI生成的作品可不可以报名参加\n那我们也觉得很奇怪报名须知完全也没有提是怎么样欢迎大家用AI来写作还是不欢迎可以不可以完全没有但是我们也回去查了发现第35届的时候讲得很清楚就说参考葛莱美奖等国际奖项AI技术可以辅助但如果你完全使用的话可能就不行\n那我想因為有非常多人在關心嘛接下來可能講像這個出來了有人哭人笑可能這個問題會更嚴重請問次長第36屆金女獎的報名作品我們是不是依循第35屆新聞稿提到的原則可以使用AI作為輔助但不可以完全使用AI技術生成作品是不是這樣\n對 一樣維持這樣的原則就當作工具可以可是因為他沒有所謂的著作權人格所以這完全是 聯席35屆嘛對不對謝謝你確定來說明但是如果這個原則已經確定了你們為什麼遲遲不修改獎勵要點跟報名須知呢你們為什麼不把這個規定明確化呢讓大家可以有規範可以質詢為什麼為什麼不修改進去啊\n好那這部分我想如果有這個樣的需求我們還是可以在下一次的要點裡面這有點可惜因為都已經快要頒獎了6月28號那我們來看其實我幫市長跟文化部的同仁做了一點功課其實金曲獎只是其中一個案例我想文化部為了鼓勵文化產業這個我們也支持有很多的獎項補助但是對於AI生成或者是AI的創作\n大家的這個相關的規範可以說是十分不一致啦那我這邊請次長看一下文化黑潮的台灣圖像角色IP品牌發展真案要點就宰明得非常清楚說AI技術可以作為輔助創作\n製作流程的工具完全使用AI技術生成的話他還想得很棒他還說不是本真案支持的對象他還說你可以用但是我們不是要支持這個所以你如果有用這個技術的話你要主動揭露你要提出這個技術跟範圍你使用的這個做得不錯因為為什麼現在按一個鈕就可以生出一堆IP按一個鈕可以生出那個LINE的貼圖一整套\n那第二個文化黑潮的T-Comics這個中長篇漫畫產製真愛要點呢完全的表明呢不受理用生成式AI作為創作工具的計畫金曼講呢獎勵要點沒有註明但是報名文件需檢附拒絕書說要使用AI自動生成軟體的創作情況但是金曼講呢直接禁止使用生成式AI創作的作品來比賽\n文化部的繪本圖書創作呢 則是在民不受理深圳市的AI作為創作工具的計畫欸 很不一樣啊我這邊也直接把輕慢講的拿出來我覺得對年輕人實在很不公平啊\n你們在裡面呢直接就寫了說不能用AI輔助也不行奇怪為什麼年輕人不行大人就可以是這樣嗎我想請教次長為什麼同樣類型的補強補助案對AI創作會有不一樣的接受標準你們考量因素是什麼\n先跟委員做說明是這每一項計畫這個要點裡面要不要接受AI這件事情我們都先經過相對這些專業團體的諮詢讓他們跟他們討論要不要接受那這兩個最基本的差別如果是比較是屬於補助計畫類的它會比較寬鬆因為它並不是獎項的競爭沒有名次沒有的所以它是一種就像我們的精神是如果你做AI創作是我們的優先對象謝謝次長\n但我們也看到裡面有一個地方您可能細細的沒看到金曼獎的部分要點就沒有載明我理解每一個可能有不一樣的但是有的根本沒寫這個我想不能這樣我想請教一下次長金曼獎有經過討論你有不一樣的接受度你就應該講清楚其實我們這還只是冰山一角我想文化部還有很多的補助獎補助獎項計畫都沒有載明的話\n這次長這是什麼原因你說不一樣說不一樣的理由我這個我理解有個根本沒寫啊像我們今年36屆你就沒講啊這個是不是這個部分我想我們再來做一個全面的檢視把AI的深層到底接受或不接受接受到什麼程度裡面\n能夠在要點裡面進行說明我們不用把AI妖魔化可是我覺得要講清楚本席具體要求文化部一個月內可不可以通盤檢討各項獎補助計畫跟獎項應該要在增建要點報名須知當中明文的規定對於AI創作的接受度讓藝文創作者台灣現在很多AI高手藝文創作者很多AI高手他們有明確的規範可以依循不然其實這之後可能有爭議你們也會很麻煩結果可不可以用書面方式來提供給本席\n好 謝謝我們來做檢視可不可以延了三個月因為我們的補助要點真的很多各司都有兩個月好不好因為我們是怕創作者一邊在創作不知道到底能不能用到時候用了又不能參加比賽搞不清楚狀況好不好早一點可以嗎好 再來我想到判別方式無論你接不接受其實評審或者是評議的過程可能也會需要什麼呢你會需要判別\n在這裡有人說有講判別方式有的用拒絕書有的是沒寫清楚那請問次長判別這個使用AI創作的過程如果出現爭議要如何處理有部分講像是不接受完全使用那請問100%跟90% 99%使用AI創作要如何分辨這個要如何判定呢這個次長有沒有看法\n這個部分我們跟這個領域的專家討論的是我們看現在可以接受AI的部分都是它作為背景的創作像剛剛那個金曼講裡頭它可以用AI的時候可以畫背景 不能畫角色這樣啊對 主要主創的部分金曼講上面沒寫啊\n所以我們在討論的裡頭因為季曼講我們沒有規定不能用AI可是我們在審判裁判們或者是評審委員們在審查的時候用這樣的準則所以每一次到底要用你剛講的是100%還是90%還是幾%這個事情還是由審查委員就當前的作品來做一個通談的討論\n我想想現在AI已經人眼分不出來啦評審要怎麼分啊所以這個部分我還是得請教因為我們像這次那個繪本的新秀獎有沒有AI生成創作所以我們就請了兩位在學校裡面用人眼看嗎我不知道他們的辨識方式是什麼啦可是我們的確是有請專家用什麼方法看啊\n用人眼看我們就請兩位我覺得文化部要知道好不好文化部要知道為什麼因為我們很關注有沒有工具你們可以來合法而且值得性愛的判斷不然他用眼睛看我喜歡這個作品我說他不是AI我不喜歡這個作品我說他是AI那這樣子變成完全沒有依循標準所以我想文化部115年有沒有編列相關預算要進行採購\n相關的AI判別的工具編列多少金額不好意思我真的不知道現在已經有這樣子的工具如果有的請委員能夠提供我們這方面的資訊文化部相關同仁我想跨部會也可以來合作一下書發部 國科會同仁真的要努力因為我們這個AI的創作議題從\n去年2月1號我上任我就開始不斷的問所以再拜託各位真的不能這個不然民眾會很困擾像我們剛剛提到甚至有你提到這個金半獎還有這種隱歸者趕快來更新那其實呢我們覺得現在是在預算編列的情況我們也希望之後的爭議減少啦所以我們也是在提說第一工具的採購趕快來研議第二其實國際上有一個趨勢既然你AI的創作可能會有很多的這種\n這個是或不是百分百還是百分之九十其實國際趨勢是說乾脆設立一個AI專屬的獎項啦那我是比較瘋狂一點我說要不要來一個AI精創作獎啊其實台灣有很好的條件啊說不定把他們都導到這裡來你在其他獎項上也比較不會有爭議那譬如說這個AI快速發展洛杉磯即將要誕生第一個AI藝術博物館我請教一下市長\n這些東西都逐漸的提高了能不能研議新增專屬AI藝術的獎項有沒有這個可能性\n再請委員給我們一點時間我們來研究一下好嗎好 我想當然我們還是注意主流國家相關著作權法對於人工智慧的技術在沒有人類參與的情況之下很可能會有不受著作權保護的問題但是有人類參與的情況之下其實是比較寬鬆的所以我想我們希望有一條康莊大道\n讓台灣的文藝創作者可以結合科技我們台灣科技之島嘛我們又要做主權AI嘛我們應該要把他們導引到一個很棒的地方甚至全世界AI創作者都來我們的這個金AI文化創作獎不是很好嗎還可以鼓勵他們用本土的資料來訓練AI來創作\n那我想這個只是一個大的方向我跟主席再爭取一點時間不好意思喔這個文化藝術應用深層式AI的指引其實一直有聽說你們六月下旬好像要公告那具體有沒有現在已經六月了六月五號了上旬了想請次長能不能簡要說明一下六月下旬是不是會公告什麼時候有沒有具體日期\n會不會有定期檢視跟修改的機制因為AI跑得很快嘛預計多久檢視一次啊\n有沒有這個機制我們通常所有的法令它都是會有逐年我們逐年都會做一個AI跑得很快我有點懷疑逐年可能會有點太慢請你們再研議一下那第二個問題呢是我想這個AI訓練資料其實很重要沒有資料沒有AI\n沒有AI就沒有主權喔這是這個大家都認同的所以AI訓練資料庫目前速發部主責辦理請問最後兩個問題不好意思請問文化部是不是有受邀相關的會議有沒有站在藝文工作者的立場表達提供AI來用他們的資料來訓練會不會有合理的分論或講注的機制來幫助文化人提供他們的資料讓我們AI更有台灣價值有沒有這方面的討論政策上\n首先我們有參加這樣的會議那在會議裡面我們現在目前提供的資料都以文化部以取得著作權的這樣的資料文字圖像都是那至於說其他還沒有著作權的這部分如何參與主權AI的訓練這部分我們還在繼續研議當中因為剛剛您提到了到底是要先談分潤還是要談以後創作出來的這個預計研議多久\n現在日本已經開放了老久了吉普利已經擴散到全世界了因為目前速發部的政策他們編列預算只做我們已經有著作權的他還沒有辦法進行下一步的討論積極爭取好不好我想藝文人才是需要一點鼓勵那最後一個問題就是因為這個AI指引我有看到你們的會議記錄上其實很多的藝文人士都覺得予以鼓勵但是怕看不懂或不太理解\n能不能製作懶人包和圖解或者用Podcast來宣傳一下甚至能不能建立未來有一個平台或專線讓藝文工作者在使用這些AI的時候遇到的疑問可以直接來詢問有沒有這個機會\n好 謝謝委員的指導這個我們也都會來進行規劃好 謝謝我想AI科技對藝文創作真的不是洪水猛獸很可能反而是台灣價值在藝文世界可以發光的機會我們希望我們的文化部可以更積極主動啦幫助AI科技去融入文化藝術的領域幫助藝文工作者更加專注的把時間跟資源投注在需要人類表達情感灌注我們台灣價值我們中華民國的歷史\n文化發揮創意的項目上希望文化部可以順應潮流我們一起運用科技的力量讓台灣在這個相關的文化藝術可以在國際上發光謝謝委員的指導我們文資局也真的依照委員的那個建議我們文資局也多項的引用AI的技術好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝葛如君 昭偉次郎請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:15.799 --> 00:19.321\n謝謝主席,有請文化部李靜慧理事長好,有請理事長\n\n00:26.253 --> 00:40.986\n次長早第36屆金曲獎即將在本月底舉行頒獎典禮這次有最佳華語女歌手入圍者魏如萱小姐入圍當然希望大家都可以順利得獎\n\n00:41.767 --> 00:52.832\n他的入圍專輯裡面就有一首歌指黏土的MV裡面有描繪當下流行的AI話題由此可見其實藝術與AI還有文化之間的關係日漸緊密除了AI成為了創作的主題之外也可能成為創作工具的角色之一和文化藝術之間的交集可能會越來越密切本席曾經在質詢的時候速度的來關切\n\n01:06.658 --> 01:35.176\n文化艺术跟AI之间的竞合关系那近期艺文界有关注的焦点呢则是在于文化部组举办的各种奖项啊奖补助的计划到底能不能接受AI协作甚至是直接由AI生成的作品来参加那我们特别检视了金曲奖奖励要点跟报名须知我们发现呢完全没有注明到底AI协作或AI生成的作品可不可以报名参加\n\n01:36.416 --> 02:04.414\n那我们也觉得很奇怪报名须知完全也没有提是怎么样欢迎大家用AI来写作还是不欢迎可以不可以完全没有但是我们也回去查了发现第35届的时候讲得很清楚就说参考葛莱美奖等国际奖项AI技术可以辅助但如果你完全使用的话可能就不行\n\n02:05.168 --> 02:24.875\n那我想因為有非常多人在關心嘛接下來可能講像這個出來了有人哭人笑可能這個問題會更嚴重請問次長第36屆金女獎的報名作品我們是不是依循第35屆新聞稿提到的原則可以使用AI作為輔助但不可以完全使用AI技術生成作品是不是這樣\n\n02:25.866 --> 02:37.390\n對一樣維持這樣的原則就當作工具可以可是因為他沒有所謂的著作權人格所以這完全是聯席35屆嘛對不對謝謝你確定來說明但是如果這個原則已經確定了你們為什麼遲遲不修改獎勵要點跟報名須知呢你們為什麼不把這個規定明確化呢讓大家可以有規範可以質詢為什麼為什麼不修改進去啊\n\n02:53.516 --> 03:19.957\n好那這部分我想如果有這個樣的需求我們還是可以在下一次的要點裡面這有點可惜因為都已經快要頒獎了6月28號那我們來看其實我幫市長跟文化部的同仁做了一點功課其實金曲獎只是其中一個案例我想文化部為了鼓勵文化產業這個我們也支持有很多的獎項補助但是對於AI生成或者是AI的創作\n\n03:21.448 --> 03:37.390\n大家的這個相關的規範可以說是十分不一致啦那我這邊請次長看一下文化黑潮的台灣圖像角色IP品牌發展真案要點就宰明得非常清楚說AI技術可以作為輔助創作\n\n03:38.952 --> 04:04.868\n製作流程的工具完全使用AI技術生成的話他還想得很棒他還說不是本真案支持的對象他還說你可以用但是我們不是要支持這個所以你如果有用這個技術的話你要主動揭露你要提出這個技術跟範圍你使用的這個做得不錯因為為什麼現在按一個鈕就可以生出一堆IP按一個鈕可以生出那個LINE的貼圖一整套\n\n04:06.088 --> 04:19.698\n那第二個文化黑潮的T-Comics這個中長篇漫畫產製真愛要點呢完全的表明呢不受理用生成式AI作為創作工具的計畫金曼講呢獎勵要點沒有註明但是報名文件需檢附拒絕書說要使用AI自動生成軟體的創作情況但是金曼講呢直接禁止使用生成式AI創作的作品來比賽\n\n04:34.648 --> 04:39.955\n文化部的繪本圖書創作呢則是在民不受理深圳市的AI作為創作工具的計畫欸很不一樣啊我這邊也直接把輕慢講的拿出來我覺得對年輕人實在很不公平啊\n\n04:49.441 --> 04:58.714\n你們在裡面呢直接就寫了說不能用AI輔助也不行奇怪為什麼年輕人不行大人就可以是這樣嗎我想請教次長為什麼同樣類型的補強補助案對AI創作會有不一樣的接受標準你們考量因素是什麼\n\n05:07.030 --> 05:14.175\n先跟委員做說明是這每一項計畫這個要點裡面要不要接受AI這件事情我們都先經過相對這些專業團體的諮詢讓他們跟他們討論要不要接受那這兩個最基本的差別如果是比較是屬於補助計畫類的它會比較寬鬆因為它並不是獎項的競爭沒有名次沒有的所以它是一種就像我們的精神是如果你做AI創作是我們的優先對象謝謝次長\n\n05:35.450 --> 05:59.781\n但我們也看到裡面有一個地方您可能細細的沒看到金曼獎的部分要點就沒有載明我理解每一個可能有不一樣的但是有的根本沒寫這個我想不能這樣我想請教一下次長金曼獎有經過討論你有不一樣的接受度你就應該講清楚其實我們這還只是冰山一角我想文化部還有很多的補助獎補助獎項計畫都沒有載明的話\n\n06:03.164 --> 06:11.571\n這次長這是什麼原因你說不一樣說不一樣的理由我這個我理解有個根本沒寫啊像我們今年36屆你就沒講啊這個是不是這個部分我想我們再來做一個全面的檢視把AI的深層到底接受或不接受接受到什麼程度裡面\n\n06:21.058 --> 06:49.358\n能夠在要點裡面進行說明我們不用把AI妖魔化可是我覺得要講清楚本席具體要求文化部一個月內可不可以通盤檢討各項獎補助計畫跟獎項應該要在增建要點報名須知當中明文的規定對於AI創作的接受度讓藝文創作者台灣現在很多AI高手藝文創作者很多AI高手他們有明確的規範可以依循不然其實這之後可能有爭議你們也會很麻煩結果可不可以用書面方式來提供給本席\n\n06:50.118 --> 07:05.889\n好謝謝我們來做檢視可不可以延了三個月因為我們的補助要點真的很多各司都有兩個月好不好因為我們是怕創作者一邊在創作不知道到底能不能用到時候用了又不能參加比賽搞不清楚狀況好不好早一點可以嗎好再來我想到判別方式無論你接不接受其實評審或者是評議的過程可能也會需要什麼呢你會需要判別\n\n07:20.178 --> 07:25.162\n在這裡有人說有講判別方式有的用拒絕書有的是沒寫清楚那請問次長判別這個使用AI創作的過程如果出現爭議要如何處理有部分講像是不接受完全使用那請問100%跟90%99%使用AI創作要如何分辨這個要如何判定呢這個次長有沒有看法\n\n07:47.482 --> 08:04.037\n這個部分我們跟這個領域的專家討論的是我們看現在可以接受AI的部分都是它作為背景的創作像剛剛那個金曼講裡頭它可以用AI的時候可以畫背景不能畫角色這樣啊對主要主創的部分金曼講上面沒寫啊\n\n08:06.098 --> 08:23.552\n所以我們在討論的裡頭因為季曼講我們沒有規定不能用AI可是我們在審判裁判們或者是評審委員們在審查的時候用這樣的準則所以每一次到底要用你剛講的是100%還是90%還是幾%這個事情還是由審查委員就當前的作品來做一個通談的討論\n\n08:31.258 --> 08:52.847\n我想想現在AI已經人眼分不出來啦評審要怎麼分啊所以這個部分我還是得請教因為我們像這次那個繪本的新秀獎有沒有AI生成創作所以我們就請了兩位在學校裡面用人眼看嗎我不知道他們的辨識方式是什麼啦可是我們的確是有請專家用什麼方法看啊\n\n08:53.914 --> 09:19.479\n用人眼看我們就請兩位我覺得文化部要知道好不好文化部要知道為什麼因為我們很關注有沒有工具你們可以來合法而且值得性愛的判斷不然他用眼睛看我喜歡這個作品我說他不是AI我不喜歡這個作品我說他是AI那這樣子變成完全沒有依循標準所以我想文化部115年有沒有編列相關預算要進行採購\n\n09:22.099 --> 09:25.300\n相關的AI判別的工具編列多少金額不好意思我真的不知道現在已經有這樣子的工具如果有的請委員能夠提供我們這方面的資訊文化部相關同仁我想跨部會也可以來合作一下書發部國科會同仁真的要努力因為我們這個AI的創作議題從\n\n09:43.928 --> 10:06.537\n去年2月1號我上任我就開始不斷的問所以再拜託各位真的不能這個不然民眾會很困擾像我們剛剛提到甚至有你提到這個金半獎還有這種隱歸者趕快來更新那其實呢我們覺得現在是在預算編列的情況我們也希望之後的爭議減少啦所以我們也是在提說第一工具的採購趕快來研議第二其實國際上有一個趨勢既然你AI的創作可能會有很多的這種\n\n10:13.460 --> 10:18.904\n這個是或不是百分百還是百分之九十其實國際趨勢是說乾脆設立一個AI專屬的獎項啦那我是比較瘋狂一點我說要不要來一個AI精創作獎啊其實台灣有很好的條件啊說不定把他們都導到這裡來你在其他獎項上也比較不會有爭議那譬如說這個AI快速發展洛杉磯即將要誕生第一個AI藝術博物館我請教一下市長\n\n10:40.502 --> 10:45.669\n這些東西都逐漸的提高了能不能研議新增專屬AI藝術的獎項有沒有這個可能性\n\n10:49.771 --> 10:54.974\n再請委員給我們一點時間我們來研究一下好嗎好我想當然我們還是注意主流國家相關著作權法對於人工智慧的技術在沒有人類參與的情況之下很可能會有不受著作權保護的問題但是有人類參與的情況之下其實是比較寬鬆的所以我想我們希望有一條康莊大道\n\n11:10.623 --> 11:13.364\n讓台灣的文藝創作者可以結合科技我們台灣科技之島嘛我們又要做主權AI嘛我們應該要把他們導引到一個很棒的地方甚至全世界AI創作者都來我們的這個金AI文化創作獎不是很好嗎還可以鼓勵他們用本土的資料來訓練AI來創作\n\n11:28.368 --> 11:49.262\n那我想這個只是一個大的方向我跟主席再爭取一點時間不好意思喔這個文化藝術應用深層式AI的指引其實一直有聽說你們六月下旬好像要公告那具體有沒有現在已經六月了六月五號了上旬了想請次長能不能簡要說明一下六月下旬是不是會公告什麼時候有沒有具體日期\n\n11:51.988 --> 11:54.210\n會不會有定期檢視跟修改的機制因為AI跑得很快嘛預計多久檢視一次啊\n\n12:08.806 --> 12:26.693\n有沒有這個機制我們通常所有的法令它都是會有逐年我們逐年都會做一個AI跑得很快我有點懷疑逐年可能會有點太慢請你們再研議一下那第二個問題呢是我想這個AI訓練資料其實很重要沒有資料沒有AI\n\n12:27.113 --> 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我想當然我們還是注意主流國家相關著作權法對於人工智慧的技術在沒有人類參與的情況之下很可能會有不受著作權保護的問題但是有人類參與的情況之下其實是比較寬鬆的所以我想我們希望有一條康莊大道"},{"start":670.623,"end":673.364,"text":"讓台灣的文藝創作者可以結合科技我們台灣科技之島嘛我們又要做主權AI嘛我們應該要把他們導引到一個很棒的地方甚至全世界AI創作者都來我們的這個金AI文化創作獎不是很好嗎還可以鼓勵他們用本土的資料來訓練AI來創作"},{"start":688.368,"end":709.262,"text":"那我想這個只是一個大的方向我跟主席再爭取一點時間不好意思喔這個文化藝術應用深層式AI的指引其實一直有聽說你們六月下旬好像要公告那具體有沒有現在已經六月了六月五號了上旬了想請次長能不能簡要說明一下六月下旬是不是會公告什麼時候有沒有具體日期"},{"start":711.988,"end":714.21,"text":"會不會有定期檢視跟修改的機制因為AI跑得很快嘛預計多久檢視一次啊"},{"start":728.806,"end":746.693,"text":"有沒有這個機制我們通常所有的法令它都是會有逐年我們逐年都會做一個AI跑得很快我有點懷疑逐年可能會有點太慢請你們再研議一下那第二個問題呢是我想這個AI訓練資料其實很重要沒有資料沒有AI"},{"start":747.113,"end":758.695,"text":"沒有AI就沒有主權喔這是這個大家都認同的所以AI訓練資料庫目前速發部主責辦理請問最後兩個問題不好意思請問文化部是不是有受邀相關的會議有沒有站在藝文工作者的立場表達提供AI來用他們的資料來訓練會不會有合理的分論或講注的機制來幫助文化人提供他們的資料讓我們AI更有台灣價值有沒有這方面的討論政策上"},{"start":775.618,"end":799.811,"text":"首先我們有參加這樣的會議那在會議裡面我們現在目前提供的資料都以文化部以取得著作權的這樣的資料文字圖像都是那至於說其他還沒有著作權的這部分如何參與主權AI的訓練這部分我們還在繼續研議當中因為剛剛您提到了到底是要先談分潤還是要談以後創作出來的這個預計研議多久"},{"start":800.171,"end":821.72,"text":"現在日本已經開放了老久了吉普利已經擴散到全世界了因為目前速發部的政策他們編列預算只做我們已經有著作權的他還沒有辦法進行下一步的討論積極爭取好不好我想藝文人才是需要一點鼓勵那最後一個問題就是因為這個AI指引我有看到你們的會議記錄上其實很多的藝文人士都覺得予以鼓勵但是怕看不懂或不太理解"},{"start":828.183,"end":841.474,"text":"能不能製作懶人包和圖解或者用Podcast來宣傳一下甚至能不能建立未來有一個平台或專線讓藝文工作者在使用這些AI的時候遇到的疑問可以直接來詢問有沒有這個機會"},{"start":842.708,"end":868.682,"text":"好 謝謝委員的指導這個我們也都會來進行規劃好 謝謝我想AI科技對藝文創作真的不是洪水猛獸很可能反而是台灣價值在藝文世界可以發光的機會我們希望我們的文化部可以更積極主動啦幫助AI科技去融入文化藝術的領域幫助藝文工作者更加專注的把時間跟資源投注在需要人類表達情感灌注我們台灣價值我們中華民國的歷史"},{"start":870.703,"end":887.91,"text":"文化發揮創意的項目上希望文化部可以順應潮流我們一起運用科技的力量讓台灣在這個相關的文化藝術可以在國際上發光謝謝委員的指導我們文資局也真的依照委員的那個建議我們文資局也多項的引用AI的技術好 謝謝謝謝 謝謝葛如君 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