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00:02:32,572\n這個比例我查一下會後我再提供給委員請問為什麼要兩年才能夠達到你們所謂的要求他應該是分批調整啦然後他希望說不要一下造成考選基金太大的負擔所以他先就委員關心的像命題月卷這個部分會先做調整那有一些市場的事務人員的部分會第二階段會再跟上來所以我們就是說一下調整可能增加的支出會對考選基金造成比較大的負擔\n\n7\n00:02:33,112 --> 00:02:57,589\n是所以現在還不知道說你明年已經有方案了嘛對我們應該是預定應該明年就會上路啦然後隨便提費呢要調漲多少%這個我數字要踩因為我今天資料沒有帶過來好那就麻煩請我會後再提供我請考卷部提供給委員好的好的謝謝秘書長然後另外就是說有關於這個預算價的問題因為本席在這個這次我有特別提\n\n8\n00:02:58,490 --> 00:03:21,879\n提案要修法公務人員任用法第28條之一然後將原來只有育嬰假請育嬰可以留置庭薪那麼也可以增加就是由育孫也可以留置庭薪我剛其實進來的時候有聽到黃旭次長有說這個部分似乎不需要修法直接修辦法就可以了\n\n9\n00:03:22,259 --> 00:03:44,701\n可是呢本席的看法是認為說其實我們應該要把這件事情提升它法律位階但在法律裡面明定那麼未來這個就是這個主管機關的責任你們就應該要依法律來訂定相關的辦法那麼我認為這樣的法律有這樣的法律授權依據那未來行政機關也比較好辦事否則可能\n\n10\n00:03:45,602 --> 00:04:12,410\n不知道會不會換了一個政黨然後又換了一套做法那麼同時這個事實上就算是我們現在明定在法律裡面有預算有預算價相關的事情細則還是由權序部這裡去擬定相關的辦法是考試院還是權序部要去擬定相關的辦法所以我個人認為說這樣的修法還是有必要的那請問次長您的看法您是否同意我的見解\n\n11\n00:04:13,090 --> 00:04:27,693\n跟委員報告就是說那個委員的提案方向我們都支持只是說後來我們在看這個文字的時候覺得因為嬰就是小孩子的意思就是幼兒的意思那我們也仔細就看過您提案的這個文字內容\n\n12\n00:04:28,254 --> 00:04:41,172\n因為委員是在意的是我們目前留職庭新辦法上面因為留職庭新辦法也是它的法源依據也是來自於公園任用法的法源依據是它已經有法源依據那您這邊是比較認為說我們有給它設的但書條件覺得這不OK所以我們部裡面也認為\n\n13\n00:04:46,318 --> 00:05:05,954\n這個方向是可以尊重的所以我們就認為說或許呢如果在這種情況下這個本法可以不用修正但是我們會把您所在意的這個部分因為那是行政規則我們就直接把它修掉了那這樣就不會那個所謂那個但書那部分就整個拿掉未來它就是完全跟那個\n\n14\n00:05:07,270 --> 00:05:21,947\n就是育嬰的概念嬰就是發繁孫當然我們還尊重最後因為這是立法政策的問題就是說基本上方向我們都認為可以去做只是說技術上我們認為我們很快就可以把它出來\n\n15\n00:05:22,227 --> 00:05:25,929\n其實市長說明我想就說我們修法的部分因為今年提案了接下來可能也會排審那麼我還是非常希望我們這個案子能夠三讀通過那當然我也很希望全序部就能夠趕快加緊腳步了如果說您說修現在的辦法就可以做的話那就可以趕快來檢討相關的辦法是不是可以放寬那個遇孫的條件那麼這個也希望全序部能夠盡速的提出相關辦法的修正案\n\n16\n00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:57,622\n好那麼接下來有關於職場霸凌的部分呢我想要幾個問題想要就叫這個保訓會主委不好意思但是先仁總先是仁總那麼因為其實從去年以來我們看到有好多機關接連發生主管霸凌公務人員的案件那麼所以呢仁總在去年其實也成立了職場霸凌案件的通報平台那麼本席曾經有函詢仁總有關於現在這個通報\n\n17\n00:06:18,387 --> 00:06:35,620\n平台的通報以及處理情形就霸凌平台的通報及處理情形的狀況為何那麼任總在3月27號的時候有回覆給我目前所收到的案件數那麼以及進入調查程序的數量那麼總共有327件收到327件進入調查程序71件然後只有3件是成立職場霸凌案還有138件在處理那本席想問的就是說又三個月過去了\n\n18\n00:06:48,109 --> 00:06:52,428\n那么到目前为止有多少件就是你们已经有收了多少件\n\n19\n00:06:53,784 --> 00:07:20,026\n跟委員報告我們目前統計到5月31號就是說從我們霸凌平台成立去年12月13號到5月31號我們收件收了485件那目前已經結案的案件有358件那處理中的有79件測案的有48件那成立的呢成立霸凌案件有20件\n\n20\n00:07:21,067 --> 00:07:42,036\n已經從3件跳到20件所以代表說你們現在成立這個霸凌通報平台我認為其實是有發揮一些作用的畢竟可以從這個通報平台當中知道到底有多少的公務員覺得說他在職場上面受到霸凌那這部分的話我也希望說人種能夠儘速的將霸凌\n\n21\n00:07:45,077 --> 00:08:01,970\n平台處理的結果要做適當的公布那麼甚至之後成立的案件他的態樣是怎麼樣你可以去識別化但是可以把這些案件可以公布出來然後讓各機關各公務員都知道如果說有遇到這種職長霸凌的情況是要如何這應該是保訓會的業務嗎還是任總對這個其實我們只要審議結果確定以後那\n\n22\n00:08:12,158 --> 00:08:16,211\n都會公告在這個我們的這個公開資訊裡面是\n\n23\n00:08:18,709 --> 00:08:36,020\n所以這個是就像委員說這是後續的分析什麼的目前是我們都有在做好的OK好那就希望你們都再努力那麼接下來就是有關於在這次的草案裡面其實有看到不管是19條之一19條之二其實都有針對所謂機關首長經過任地職場霸凌的話那會處罰還那麼當然剛剛黃國昌委員有提到在這草案裡面看起來其實對於機關首長的定義不是很清楚\n\n24\n00:08:48,288 --> 00:09:06,374\n那不仅是机关首长定义不清楚之外,还有对于所谓负责人员,你负责人员跟机关首长到底有什么区别?请问负责人员跟机关首长有什么区别?以及负责人员以及机关首长他的涵盖范围到哪边?像科长啊,局长,司长算不算?\n\n25\n00:09:08,015 --> 00:09:36,966\n跟委員說明機關首長就是誠如我剛剛這邊所講依照中央機關組織基準法首長他就是明定在這個各機關的組織法裡面的那個只有一個但是負責人他就是是現場的這個狀況所以他可能是從科長他可能到司長他也可能是到可能是主任或者是次長那主要就是負責人是指在公務人員執行職務的現場他有比較\n\n26\n00:09:37,726 --> 00:10:03,588\n高度的關係性然後他代替機關首長在行使這個監督管理的這個角色跟功能的人所以呢這個兩者的差異是不一樣那當然機關首長在特殊的在一些情況底下他也可能就是負責人是順便說未來按照這個主委的意思就是說可能負責人他會有不同層級的而且也可能會有多重的負責人\n\n27\n00:10:04,349 --> 00:10:23,754\n那麼是不是未來可以就是定立一個類似SPOP的這種做法到底在什麼樣的業務底下他的負責人是誰然後他的首長是誰否則的話其實對於很多的這個可能有就是總是公務員裡面有高低階的這樣的一個職等那會不會高職等就認為說我其實\n\n28\n00:10:26,175 --> 00:10:48,250\n很莫名其妙的就被視為是負責人到底所謂的監督關係我覺得這都不是很清楚那麼因此呢本席也希望就是說保訊會在這個部分可以把它定的更清楚或是說未來能夠提供一些相關的案例標準然後可以讓大家有所參考有所依循\n\n29\n00:10:49,356 --> 00:11:16,849\n跟委員報告就是各機關都有分層負責明細表那當然機關首長這個如果從這個最廣義來講他就是他可能會被苛責的範圍很多但是呢基本上各機關的這個授權或是這個什麼時候是屬於誰是負責人這件事情都有這個分層負責明細表就會列不過非常謝謝委員的提醒就是說未來我們在指引跟通韓的裡面我們會特別的去強化\n\n30\n00:11:17,690 --> 00:11:19,334\n請各機關要注意這一點謝謝委員好謝謝謝謝翁委員那個劉秘長因為我看你臉色真的沒有\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n13480\t33140\t劉秘書長辛苦了雖然說我待會有第一個問題我就要先請教您之後還會再請教蔡主委保証會蔡主委以及權事部的懷恤懷次長首先我想先請教\n34597\t63181\t劉秘書長因為本席其實一直都很關心有關於在國家考試裡面的出題委員和命題委員他們的費用調漲的問題就是能夠提高的問題那麼所以我在去年的時候其實就已經詢問過考試院那麼有沒有考慮要把這個隨著物價的調整而且我們這是十幾年來都沒有調整過的命題委員還有月券委員的費用\n63981\t91024\t進行合理的調整請問就是考試院現在的有在做這方面的規劃了嗎是謝謝委員長期來對這個議題的關心那跟也剛好跟委員報告就是現在正在進行的考試院的院會其實就已經把這個案子排上去那我們預計目前的方案應該是用未來兩年時間逐步的把審題命題月卷等等還有事務\n92826\t106380\t人員的費用分兩年的順序把它調高那這個案子今天通過之後我們暫時還不會公佈因為依照相關的法規這個要送到行政院去核准\n107017\t123214\t是 那可以先透露一下大概會調高的幅度是多少嗎因為我們看到就是從明年開始的國考的報名費是調漲25.8%嘛是那麼所以接下來像生命體育費 月券費呢調整的比例\n124357\t152572\t這個比例我查一下會後我再提供給委員請問為什麼要兩年才能夠達到你們所謂的要求他應該是分批調整啦然後他希望說不要一下造成考選基金太大的負擔所以他先就委員關心的像命題月卷這個部分會先做調整那有一些市場的事務人員的部分會第二階段會再跟上來所以我們就是說一下調整可能增加的支出會對考選基金造成比較大的負擔\n153112\t177589\t是 所以現在還不知道說你明年已經有方案了嘛對 我們應該是預定應該明年就會上路啦然後隨便提費呢 要調漲多少%這個我數字要踩 因為我今天資料沒有帶過來好 那就麻煩請我會後再提供我請考卷部提供給委員好的好的 謝謝秘書長然後另外就是說有關於這個預算價的問題因為本席在這個這次我有特別提\n178490\t201879\t提案要修法公務人員任用法第28條之一然後將原來只有育嬰假請育嬰可以留置庭薪那麼也可以增加就是由育孫也可以留置庭薪我剛其實進來的時候有聽到黃旭次長有說這個部分似乎不需要修法直接修辦法就可以了\n202259\t224701\t可是呢本席的看法是認為說其實我們應該要把這件事情提升它法律位階但在法律裡面明定那麼未來這個就是這個主管機關的責任你們就應該要依法律來訂定相關的辦法那麼我認為這樣的法律有這樣的法律授權依據那未來行政機關也比較好辦事否則可能\n225602\t252410\t不知道會不會換了一個政黨然後又換了一套做法那麼同時這個事實上就算是我們現在明定在法律裡面有預算有預算價相關的事情細則還是由權序部這裡去擬定相關的辦法是考試院還是權序部要去擬定相關的辦法所以我個人認為說這樣的修法還是有必要的那請問次長您的看法您是否同意我的見解\n253090\t267693\t跟委員報告就是說那個委員的提案方向我們都支持只是說後來我們在看這個文字的時候覺得因為嬰就是小孩子的意思就是幼兒的意思那我們也仔細就看過您提案的這個文字內容\n268254\t281172\t因為委員是在意的是我們目前留職庭新辦法上面因為留職庭新辦法也是它的法源依據也是來自於公園任用法的法源依據是它已經有法源依據那您這邊是比較認為說我們有給它設的但書條件覺得這不OK所以我們部裡面也認為\n286318\t305954\t這個方向是可以尊重的所以我們就認為說或許呢如果在這種情況下這個本法可以不用修正但是我們會把您所在意的這個部分因為那是行政規則我們就直接把它修掉了那這樣就不會那個所謂那個但書那部分就整個拿掉未來它就是完全跟那個\n307270\t321947\t就是育嬰的概念 嬰就是發繁孫當然我們還尊重最後因為這是立法政策的問題就是說基本上方向我們都認為可以去做只是說技術上我們認為我們很快就可以把它出來\n322227\t325929\t其實市長說明我想就說我們修法的部分因為今年提案了接下來可能也會排審那麼我還是非常希望我們這個案子能夠三讀通過那當然我也很希望全序部就能夠趕快加緊腳步了如果說您說修現在的辦法就可以做的話那就可以趕快來檢討相關的辦法是不是可以放寬那個遇孫的條件那麼這個也希望全序部能夠盡速的提出相關辦法的修正案\n349500\t357622\t好 那麼接下來有關於職場霸凌的部分呢我想要幾個問題想要就叫這個保訓會主委不好意思 但是先仁總 先是仁總那麼因為其實從去年以來我們看到有好多機關接連發生主管霸凌公務人員的案件那麼所以呢仁總在去年其實也成立了職場霸凌案件的通報平台那麼本席曾經有函詢仁總有關於現在這個通報\n378387\t395620\t平台的通報以及處理情形就霸凌平台的通報及處理情形的狀況為何那麼任總在3月27號的時候有回覆給我目前所收到的案件數那麼以及進入調查程序的數量那麼總共有327件收到327件進入調查程序71件然後只有3件是成立職場霸凌案還有138件在處理那本席想問的就是說又三個月過去了\n408109\t412428\t那么到目前为止有多少件就是你们已经有收了多少件\n413784\t440026\t跟委員報告我們目前統計到5月31號就是說從我們霸凌平台成立去年12月13號到5月31號我們收件收了485件那目前已經結案的案件有358件那處理中的有79件測案的有48件那成立的呢成立霸凌案件有20件\n441067\t462036\t已經從3件跳到20件所以代表說你們現在成立這個霸凌通報平台我認為其實是有發揮一些作用的畢竟可以從這個通報平台當中知道到底有多少的公務員覺得說他在職場上面受到霸凌那這部分的話我也希望說人種能夠儘速的將霸凌\n465077\t481970\t平台處理的結果要做適當的公布那麼甚至之後成立的案件他的態樣是怎麼樣你可以去識別化但是可以把這些案件可以公布出來然後讓各機關各公務員都知道如果說有遇到這種職長霸凌的情況是要如何這應該是保訓會的業務嗎還是任總對這個其實我們只要審議結果確定以後那\n492158\t496211\t都會公告在這個我們的這個公開資訊裡面是\n498709\t516020\t所以這個是就像委員說這是後續的分析什麼的目前是我們都有在做好的OK好那就希望你們都再努力那麼接下來就是有關於在這次的草案裡面其實有看到不管是19條之一19條之二其實都有針對所謂機關首長經過任地職場霸凌的話那會處罰還那麼當然剛剛黃國昌委員有提到在這草案裡面看起來其實對於機關首長的定義不是很清楚\n528288\t546374\t那不仅是机关首长定义不清楚之外,还有对于所谓负责人员,你负责人员跟机关首长到底有什么区别?请问负责人员跟机关首长有什么区别?以及负责人员以及机关首长他的涵盖范围到哪边?像科长啊,局长,司长算不算?\n548015\t576966\t跟委員說明機關首長就是 誠如我剛剛這邊所講依照中央機關組織基準法首長他就是明定在這個各機關的組織法裡面的那個只有一個但是負責人他就是是現場的這個狀況所以他可能是從科長他可能到司長他也可能是到可能是主任或者是次長那主要就是負責人是指在公務人員執行職務的現場他有比較\n577726\t603588\t高度的關係性然後他代替機關首長在行使這個監督管理的這個角色跟功能的人所以呢這個兩者的差異是不一樣那當然機關首長在特殊的在一些情況底下他也可能就是負責人是順便說未來按照這個主委的意思就是說可能負責人他會有不同層級的而且也可能會有多重的負責人\n604349\t623754\t那麼是不是未來可以就是定立一個類似SPOP的這種做法到底在什麼樣的業務底下他的負責人是誰然後他的首長是誰否則的話其實對於很多的這個可能有就是總是公務員裡面有高低階的這樣的一個職等那會不會高職等就認為說我其實\n626175\t648250\t很莫名其妙的就被視為是負責人到底所謂的監督關係我覺得這都不是很清楚那麼因此呢本席也希望就是說保訊會在這個部分可以把它定的更清楚或是說未來能夠提供一些相關的案例標準然後可以讓大家有所參考有所依循\n649356\t676849\t跟委員報告就是各機關都有分層負責明細表那當然機關首長這個如果從這個最廣義來講他就是他可能會被苛責的範圍很多但是呢基本上各機關的這個授權或是這個什麼時候是屬於誰是負責人這件事情都有這個分層負責明細表就會列不過非常謝謝委員的提醒就是說未來我們在指引跟通韓的裡面我們會特別的去強化\n677690\t679334\t請各機關要注意這一點 謝謝委員好 謝謝謝謝翁委員那個 劉秘長 因為我看你臉色真的沒有\n","txt":"劉秘書長辛苦了雖然說我待會有第一個問題我就要先請教您之後還會再請教蔡主委保証會蔡主委以及權事部的懷恤懷次長首先我想先請教\n劉秘書長因為本席其實一直都很關心有關於在國家考試裡面的出題委員和命題委員他們的費用調漲的問題就是能夠提高的問題那麼所以我在去年的時候其實就已經詢問過考試院那麼有沒有考慮要把這個隨著物價的調整而且我們這是十幾年來都沒有調整過的命題委員還有月券委員的費用\n進行合理的調整請問就是考試院現在的有在做這方面的規劃了嗎是謝謝委員長期來對這個議題的關心那跟也剛好跟委員報告就是現在正在進行的考試院的院會其實就已經把這個案子排上去那我們預計目前的方案應該是用未來兩年時間逐步的把審題命題月卷等等還有事務\n人員的費用分兩年的順序把它調高那這個案子今天通過之後我們暫時還不會公佈因為依照相關的法規這個要送到行政院去核准\n是 那可以先透露一下大概會調高的幅度是多少嗎因為我們看到就是從明年開始的國考的報名費是調漲25.8%嘛是那麼所以接下來像生命體育費 月券費呢調整的比例\n這個比例我查一下會後我再提供給委員請問為什麼要兩年才能夠達到你們所謂的要求他應該是分批調整啦然後他希望說不要一下造成考選基金太大的負擔所以他先就委員關心的像命題月卷這個部分會先做調整那有一些市場的事務人員的部分會第二階段會再跟上來所以我們就是說一下調整可能增加的支出會對考選基金造成比較大的負擔\n是 所以現在還不知道說你明年已經有方案了嘛對 我們應該是預定應該明年就會上路啦然後隨便提費呢 要調漲多少%這個我數字要踩 因為我今天資料沒有帶過來好 那就麻煩請我會後再提供我請考卷部提供給委員好的好的 謝謝秘書長然後另外就是說有關於這個預算價的問題因為本席在這個這次我有特別提\n提案要修法公務人員任用法第28條之一然後將原來只有育嬰假請育嬰可以留置庭薪那麼也可以增加就是由育孫也可以留置庭薪我剛其實進來的時候有聽到黃旭次長有說這個部分似乎不需要修法直接修辦法就可以了\n可是呢本席的看法是認為說其實我們應該要把這件事情提升它法律位階但在法律裡面明定那麼未來這個就是這個主管機關的責任你們就應該要依法律來訂定相關的辦法那麼我認為這樣的法律有這樣的法律授權依據那未來行政機關也比較好辦事否則可能\n不知道會不會換了一個政黨然後又換了一套做法那麼同時這個事實上就算是我們現在明定在法律裡面有預算有預算價相關的事情細則還是由權序部這裡去擬定相關的辦法是考試院還是權序部要去擬定相關的辦法所以我個人認為說這樣的修法還是有必要的那請問次長您的看法您是否同意我的見解\n跟委員報告就是說那個委員的提案方向我們都支持只是說後來我們在看這個文字的時候覺得因為嬰就是小孩子的意思就是幼兒的意思那我們也仔細就看過您提案的這個文字內容\n因為委員是在意的是我們目前留職庭新辦法上面因為留職庭新辦法也是它的法源依據也是來自於公園任用法的法源依據是它已經有法源依據那您這邊是比較認為說我們有給它設的但書條件覺得這不OK所以我們部裡面也認為\n這個方向是可以尊重的所以我們就認為說或許呢如果在這種情況下這個本法可以不用修正但是我們會把您所在意的這個部分因為那是行政規則我們就直接把它修掉了那這樣就不會那個所謂那個但書那部分就整個拿掉未來它就是完全跟那個\n就是育嬰的概念 嬰就是發繁孫當然我們還尊重最後因為這是立法政策的問題就是說基本上方向我們都認為可以去做只是說技術上我們認為我們很快就可以把它出來\n其實市長說明我想就說我們修法的部分因為今年提案了接下來可能也會排審那麼我還是非常希望我們這個案子能夠三讀通過那當然我也很希望全序部就能夠趕快加緊腳步了如果說您說修現在的辦法就可以做的話那就可以趕快來檢討相關的辦法是不是可以放寬那個遇孫的條件那麼這個也希望全序部能夠盡速的提出相關辦法的修正案\n好 那麼接下來有關於職場霸凌的部分呢我想要幾個問題想要就叫這個保訓會主委不好意思 但是先仁總 先是仁總那麼因為其實從去年以來我們看到有好多機關接連發生主管霸凌公務人員的案件那麼所以呢仁總在去年其實也成立了職場霸凌案件的通報平台那麼本席曾經有函詢仁總有關於現在這個通報\n平台的通報以及處理情形就霸凌平台的通報及處理情形的狀況為何那麼任總在3月27號的時候有回覆給我目前所收到的案件數那麼以及進入調查程序的數量那麼總共有327件收到327件進入調查程序71件然後只有3件是成立職場霸凌案還有138件在處理那本席想問的就是說又三個月過去了\n那么到目前为止有多少件就是你们已经有收了多少件\n跟委員報告我們目前統計到5月31號就是說從我們霸凌平台成立去年12月13號到5月31號我們收件收了485件那目前已經結案的案件有358件那處理中的有79件測案的有48件那成立的呢成立霸凌案件有20件\n已經從3件跳到20件所以代表說你們現在成立這個霸凌通報平台我認為其實是有發揮一些作用的畢竟可以從這個通報平台當中知道到底有多少的公務員覺得說他在職場上面受到霸凌那這部分的話我也希望說人種能夠儘速的將霸凌\n平台處理的結果要做適當的公布那麼甚至之後成立的案件他的態樣是怎麼樣你可以去識別化但是可以把這些案件可以公布出來然後讓各機關各公務員都知道如果說有遇到這種職長霸凌的情況是要如何這應該是保訓會的業務嗎還是任總對這個其實我們只要審議結果確定以後那\n都會公告在這個我們的這個公開資訊裡面是\n所以這個是就像委員說這是後續的分析什麼的目前是我們都有在做好的OK好那就希望你們都再努力那麼接下來就是有關於在這次的草案裡面其實有看到不管是19條之一19條之二其實都有針對所謂機關首長經過任地職場霸凌的話那會處罰還那麼當然剛剛黃國昌委員有提到在這草案裡面看起來其實對於機關首長的定義不是很清楚\n那不仅是机关首长定义不清楚之外,还有对于所谓负责人员,你负责人员跟机关首长到底有什么区别?请问负责人员跟机关首长有什么区别?以及负责人员以及机关首长他的涵盖范围到哪边?像科长啊,局长,司长算不算?\n跟委員說明機關首長就是 誠如我剛剛這邊所講依照中央機關組織基準法首長他就是明定在這個各機關的組織法裡面的那個只有一個但是負責人他就是是現場的這個狀況所以他可能是從科長他可能到司長他也可能是到可能是主任或者是次長那主要就是負責人是指在公務人員執行職務的現場他有比較\n高度的關係性然後他代替機關首長在行使這個監督管理的這個角色跟功能的人所以呢這個兩者的差異是不一樣那當然機關首長在特殊的在一些情況底下他也可能就是負責人是順便說未來按照這個主委的意思就是說可能負責人他會有不同層級的而且也可能會有多重的負責人\n那麼是不是未來可以就是定立一個類似SPOP的這種做法到底在什麼樣的業務底下他的負責人是誰然後他的首長是誰否則的話其實對於很多的這個可能有就是總是公務員裡面有高低階的這樣的一個職等那會不會高職等就認為說我其實\n很莫名其妙的就被視為是負責人到底所謂的監督關係我覺得這都不是很清楚那麼因此呢本席也希望就是說保訊會在這個部分可以把它定的更清楚或是說未來能夠提供一些相關的案例標準然後可以讓大家有所參考有所依循\n跟委員報告就是各機關都有分層負責明細表那當然機關首長這個如果從這個最廣義來講他就是他可能會被苛責的範圍很多但是呢基本上各機關的這個授權或是這個什麼時候是屬於誰是負責人這件事情都有這個分層負責明細表就會列不過非常謝謝委員的提醒就是說未來我們在指引跟通韓的裡面我們會特別的去強化\n請各機關要注意這一點 謝謝委員好 謝謝謝謝翁委員那個 劉秘長 因為我看你臉色真的沒有\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:13.480 --> 00:33.140\n劉秘書長辛苦了雖然說我待會有第一個問題我就要先請教您之後還會再請教蔡主委保証會蔡主委以及權事部的懷恤懷次長首先我想先請教\n\n00:34.597 --> 01:03.181\n劉秘書長因為本席其實一直都很關心有關於在國家考試裡面的出題委員和命題委員他們的費用調漲的問題就是能夠提高的問題那麼所以我在去年的時候其實就已經詢問過考試院那麼有沒有考慮要把這個隨著物價的調整而且我們這是十幾年來都沒有調整過的命題委員還有月券委員的費用\n\n01:03.981 --> 01:31.024\n進行合理的調整請問就是考試院現在的有在做這方面的規劃了嗎是謝謝委員長期來對這個議題的關心那跟也剛好跟委員報告就是現在正在進行的考試院的院會其實就已經把這個案子排上去那我們預計目前的方案應該是用未來兩年時間逐步的把審題命題月卷等等還有事務\n\n01:32.826 --> 01:46.380\n人員的費用分兩年的順序把它調高那這個案子今天通過之後我們暫時還不會公佈因為依照相關的法規這個要送到行政院去核准\n\n01:47.017 --> 02:03.214\n是那可以先透露一下大概會調高的幅度是多少嗎因為我們看到就是從明年開始的國考的報名費是調漲25.8%嘛是那麼所以接下來像生命體育費月券費呢調整的比例\n\n02:04.357 --> 02:32.572\n這個比例我查一下會後我再提供給委員請問為什麼要兩年才能夠達到你們所謂的要求他應該是分批調整啦然後他希望說不要一下造成考選基金太大的負擔所以他先就委員關心的像命題月卷這個部分會先做調整那有一些市場的事務人員的部分會第二階段會再跟上來所以我們就是說一下調整可能增加的支出會對考選基金造成比較大的負擔\n\n02:33.112 --> 02:57.589\n是所以現在還不知道說你明年已經有方案了嘛對我們應該是預定應該明年就會上路啦然後隨便提費呢要調漲多少%這個我數字要踩因為我今天資料沒有帶過來好那就麻煩請我會後再提供我請考卷部提供給委員好的好的謝謝秘書長然後另外就是說有關於這個預算價的問題因為本席在這個這次我有特別提\n\n02:58.490 --> 03:21.879\n提案要修法公務人員任用法第28條之一然後將原來只有育嬰假請育嬰可以留置庭薪那麼也可以增加就是由育孫也可以留置庭薪我剛其實進來的時候有聽到黃旭次長有說這個部分似乎不需要修法直接修辦法就可以了\n\n03:22.259 --> 03:44.701\n可是呢本席的看法是認為說其實我們應該要把這件事情提升它法律位階但在法律裡面明定那麼未來這個就是這個主管機關的責任你們就應該要依法律來訂定相關的辦法那麼我認為這樣的法律有這樣的法律授權依據那未來行政機關也比較好辦事否則可能\n\n03:45.602 --> 04:12.410\n不知道會不會換了一個政黨然後又換了一套做法那麼同時這個事實上就算是我們現在明定在法律裡面有預算有預算價相關的事情細則還是由權序部這裡去擬定相關的辦法是考試院還是權序部要去擬定相關的辦法所以我個人認為說這樣的修法還是有必要的那請問次長您的看法您是否同意我的見解\n\n04:13.090 --> 04:27.693\n跟委員報告就是說那個委員的提案方向我們都支持只是說後來我們在看這個文字的時候覺得因為嬰就是小孩子的意思就是幼兒的意思那我們也仔細就看過您提案的這個文字內容\n\n04:28.254 --> 04:41.172\n因為委員是在意的是我們目前留職庭新辦法上面因為留職庭新辦法也是它的法源依據也是來自於公園任用法的法源依據是它已經有法源依據那您這邊是比較認為說我們有給它設的但書條件覺得這不OK所以我們部裡面也認為\n\n04:46.318 --> 05:05.954\n這個方向是可以尊重的所以我們就認為說或許呢如果在這種情況下這個本法可以不用修正但是我們會把您所在意的這個部分因為那是行政規則我們就直接把它修掉了那這樣就不會那個所謂那個但書那部分就整個拿掉未來它就是完全跟那個\n\n05:07.270 --> 05:21.947\n就是育嬰的概念嬰就是發繁孫當然我們還尊重最後因為這是立法政策的問題就是說基本上方向我們都認為可以去做只是說技術上我們認為我們很快就可以把它出來\n\n05:22.227 --> 05:25.929\n其實市長說明我想就說我們修法的部分因為今年提案了接下來可能也會排審那麼我還是非常希望我們這個案子能夠三讀通過那當然我也很希望全序部就能夠趕快加緊腳步了如果說您說修現在的辦法就可以做的話那就可以趕快來檢討相關的辦法是不是可以放寬那個遇孫的條件那麼這個也希望全序部能夠盡速的提出相關辦法的修正案\n\n05:49.500 --> 05:57.622\n好那麼接下來有關於職場霸凌的部分呢我想要幾個問題想要就叫這個保訓會主委不好意思但是先仁總先是仁總那麼因為其實從去年以來我們看到有好多機關接連發生主管霸凌公務人員的案件那麼所以呢仁總在去年其實也成立了職場霸凌案件的通報平台那麼本席曾經有函詢仁總有關於現在這個通報\n\n06:18.387 --> 06:35.620\n平台的通報以及處理情形就霸凌平台的通報及處理情形的狀況為何那麼任總在3月27號的時候有回覆給我目前所收到的案件數那麼以及進入調查程序的數量那麼總共有327件收到327件進入調查程序71件然後只有3件是成立職場霸凌案還有138件在處理那本席想問的就是說又三個月過去了\n\n06:48.109 --> 06:52.428\n那么到目前为止有多少件就是你们已经有收了多少件\n\n06:53.784 --> 07:20.026\n跟委員報告我們目前統計到5月31號就是說從我們霸凌平台成立去年12月13號到5月31號我們收件收了485件那目前已經結案的案件有358件那處理中的有79件測案的有48件那成立的呢成立霸凌案件有20件\n\n07:21.067 --> 07:42.036\n已經從3件跳到20件所以代表說你們現在成立這個霸凌通報平台我認為其實是有發揮一些作用的畢竟可以從這個通報平台當中知道到底有多少的公務員覺得說他在職場上面受到霸凌那這部分的話我也希望說人種能夠儘速的將霸凌\n\n07:45.077 --> 08:01.970\n平台處理的結果要做適當的公布那麼甚至之後成立的案件他的態樣是怎麼樣你可以去識別化但是可以把這些案件可以公布出來然後讓各機關各公務員都知道如果說有遇到這種職長霸凌的情況是要如何這應該是保訓會的業務嗎還是任總對這個其實我們只要審議結果確定以後那\n\n08:12.158 --> 08:16.211\n都會公告在這個我們的這個公開資訊裡面是\n\n08:18.709 --> 08:36.020\n所以這個是就像委員說這是後續的分析什麼的目前是我們都有在做好的OK好那就希望你們都再努力那麼接下來就是有關於在這次的草案裡面其實有看到不管是19條之一19條之二其實都有針對所謂機關首長經過任地職場霸凌的話那會處罰還那麼當然剛剛黃國昌委員有提到在這草案裡面看起來其實對於機關首長的定義不是很清楚\n\n08:48.288 --> 09:06.374\n那不仅是机关首长定义不清楚之外,还有对于所谓负责人员,你负责人员跟机关首长到底有什么区别?请问负责人员跟机关首长有什么区别?以及负责人员以及机关首长他的涵盖范围到哪边?像科长啊,局长,司长算不算?\n\n09:08.015 --> 09:36.966\n跟委員說明機關首長就是誠如我剛剛這邊所講依照中央機關組織基準法首長他就是明定在這個各機關的組織法裡面的那個只有一個但是負責人他就是是現場的這個狀況所以他可能是從科長他可能到司長他也可能是到可能是主任或者是次長那主要就是負責人是指在公務人員執行職務的現場他有比較\n\n09:37.726 --> 10:03.588\n高度的關係性然後他代替機關首長在行使這個監督管理的這個角色跟功能的人所以呢這個兩者的差異是不一樣那當然機關首長在特殊的在一些情況底下他也可能就是負責人是順便說未來按照這個主委的意思就是說可能負責人他會有不同層級的而且也可能會有多重的負責人\n\n10:04.349 --> 10:23.754\n那麼是不是未來可以就是定立一個類似SPOP的這種做法到底在什麼樣的業務底下他的負責人是誰然後他的首長是誰否則的話其實對於很多的這個可能有就是總是公務員裡面有高低階的這樣的一個職等那會不會高職等就認為說我其實\n\n10:26.175 --> 10:48.250\n很莫名其妙的就被視為是負責人到底所謂的監督關係我覺得這都不是很清楚那麼因此呢本席也希望就是說保訊會在這個部分可以把它定的更清楚或是說未來能夠提供一些相關的案例標準然後可以讓大家有所參考有所依循\n\n10:49.356 --> 11:16.849\n跟委員報告就是各機關都有分層負責明細表那當然機關首長這個如果從這個最廣義來講他就是他可能會被苛責的範圍很多但是呢基本上各機關的這個授權或是這個什麼時候是屬於誰是負責人這件事情都有這個分層負責明細表就會列不過非常謝謝委員的提醒就是說未來我們在指引跟通韓的裡面我們會特別的去強化\n\n11:17.690 --> 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因為我今天資料沒有帶過來好 那就麻煩請我會後再提供我請考卷部提供給委員好的好的 謝謝秘書長然後另外就是說有關於這個預算價的問題因為本席在這個這次我有特別提"},{"start":178.49,"end":201.879,"text":"提案要修法公務人員任用法第28條之一然後將原來只有育嬰假請育嬰可以留置庭薪那麼也可以增加就是由育孫也可以留置庭薪我剛其實進來的時候有聽到黃旭次長有說這個部分似乎不需要修法直接修辦法就可以了"},{"start":202.259,"end":224.701,"text":"可是呢本席的看法是認為說其實我們應該要把這件事情提升它法律位階但在法律裡面明定那麼未來這個就是這個主管機關的責任你們就應該要依法律來訂定相關的辦法那麼我認為這樣的法律有這樣的法律授權依據那未來行政機關也比較好辦事否則可能"},{"start":225.602,"end":252.41,"text":"不知道會不會換了一個政黨然後又換了一套做法那麼同時這個事實上就算是我們現在明定在法律裡面有預算有預算價相關的事情細則還是由權序部這裡去擬定相關的辦法是考試院還是權序部要去擬定相關的辦法所以我個人認為說這樣的修法還是有必要的那請問次長您的看法您是否同意我的見解"},{"start":253.09,"end":267.693,"text":"跟委員報告就是說那個委員的提案方向我們都支持只是說後來我們在看這個文字的時候覺得因為嬰就是小孩子的意思就是幼兒的意思那我們也仔細就看過您提案的這個文字內容"},{"start":268.254,"end":281.172,"text":"因為委員是在意的是我們目前留職庭新辦法上面因為留職庭新辦法也是它的法源依據也是來自於公園任用法的法源依據是它已經有法源依據那您這邊是比較認為說我們有給它設的但書條件覺得這不OK所以我們部裡面也認為"},{"start":286.318,"end":305.954,"text":"這個方向是可以尊重的所以我們就認為說或許呢如果在這種情況下這個本法可以不用修正但是我們會把您所在意的這個部分因為那是行政規則我們就直接把它修掉了那這樣就不會那個所謂那個但書那部分就整個拿掉未來它就是完全跟那個"},{"start":307.27,"end":321.947,"text":"就是育嬰的概念 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