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00:03:11,020\n每年的經費是多少大概是一千八百萬左右一千八百萬是文學糧倉對有加上文學基地嗎文學基地的話大概也是差不多的金額所以兩個所以加起來大概三千多萬對所以你一個基地的營運經費一年是一千多萬我是認為真的不夠\n\n9\n00:03:14,884 --> 00:03:20,846\n那既然好不容易我們眾所期待像我是國立台灣文學館開幕的時候我們是全家一起跑到台南去看然後我看了一次不夠之後再自己跟同學約了再特別搭車到台南去看所以對台北人來講這個我們稍微在現場我們是很羨慕台南我好不容易台北也有文學館的分館了所以呢\n\n10\n00:03:38,072 --> 00:03:52,063\n我們希望你們可以開幕以後營運在營運上面發現倘若我們需要來增加資源我們未來應該要讓他逐步來到位好請你們持續來關注那至於昭和樓我今天要給個具體的建議\n\n11\n00:03:53,744 --> 00:03:59,027\n因為昭和樓是2020年我擔任市議員的期間當時感謝文史工作者林宗奎跟蕭文傑老師提供了一些關於這個場所的新市政所以我是這一個文資的提報人當時是我到台北市文資審議會現場去報告的那後來也順利的通過歷史建物的審定\n\n12\n00:04:16,636 --> 00:04:43,314\n那后面在我们中央的产权一度从审计部可能一度要归还给国产署那最后我非常的庆幸欢庆听到它现在是交到了我们台博馆的手上目前也在进行规划在利用的这个审定对不对我想要给一个具体的建议因为我们昨天去看的台湾文学粮仓它就在华山文化园区步行大概两分钟\n\n13\n00:04:44,315 --> 00:04:59,296\n那昭和樓台婆館未來這個分館更是緊鄰華山文創園區所以這可能是全台灣各縣市裡面相當罕見的很密集的藝文聚落\n\n14\n00:05:00,444 --> 00:05:20,176\n在一個步行五分鐘之內我們有你們文化部的華山應文園區有我們台灣文學館的分館有台博館的分館所以我認為未來這個台博館的分館昭和樓在做規劃的時候務必要去考量它跟周邊聚落\n\n15\n00:05:20,956 --> 00:05:45,914\n的聚合性例如說華山園區裡面有這個音樂展演廳它裡面有電影院那你文學糧商有文學沙盒那這個昭和樓它有沒有可能未來成為一個音樂沙盒就是培養潛力新星因為能夠到華山裡面Legacy去表演專場的都是一定具有一定的市場性\n\n16\n00:05:46,554 --> 00:06:07,348\n所以我想這個因為都還在討論當中我想未來希望你們可以邀請相關的年輕世代的藝文社群大家可以一起來討論這個絕對會是未來我們百年難得一見很重要的藝文聚落好不好邀請藝文社群來一起來討論它未來的可能性謝謝委員的建議那這個邀請\n\n17\n00:06:08,769 --> 00:06:22,565\n周遭或者是藝文團體文化人士的共同討論這一定會做那只是先初步跟部長因為台博的它是台博的分館可是台博現在業務裡面還真是沒有涉及到音樂這一塊\n\n18\n00:06:23,646 --> 00:06:34,108\n沒有錯所以我就是要提醒你們文化部的角色是因為如果是從台博的本位思考的話一定是以台博在中正區台北好幾個分館一定是以台博各個分館之間的搭配來做設置但是我提醒你們必須要以揭霍文化聚落的角度來去思考這一個據點竟然花了那麼多資源把它變成歷史兼務花那麼多錢重新修復要去活化使用了\n\n19\n00:06:51,112 --> 00:06:54,473\n他應該要對這個聚落的整體藝文發展我覺得他要有提出他的貢獻所以這個請你們也納入來討論好最後是有關於我們今天的世界文化遺產潛力點首先我要說台灣因為中國的因素\n\n20\n00:07:08,399 --> 00:07:32,793\n平平對台灣打壓所以無法加入聯合國組織但是台灣沒有因此減少在世界上面的影響力以醫療來說台灣沒有加入WHO但是台灣在國際的醫療貢獻是大家都肯定的尤其在防疫期間之後世界各國包括北美包括歐洲包括亞太各個地區都是很多國際組織\n\n21\n00:07:34,494 --> 00:07:49,322\n科研单位来到台湾要跟我们一起来去学习我们的防疫经验而台湾的文化也一样即便我们没有加入联合国教科文组织但是台湾的文化在世界上的影响一点也不会因此减少所以呢我们现在要讨论的\n\n22\n00:07:53,604 --> 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我們教文有安排了考察就是到我們中正區一共是我們有三個場館包括了我們台灣文學館在台北的台灣文學基地以及即將啟用的台灣文學糧倉還有有我們台博館要\n33876\t44569\t進行規劃再利用的昭和樓也就是未來可能是台博館的分館這三個文化的地景那我自己覺得對於即將要啟用的台灣文學糧倉是非常的期待那這個我說這是我昨天在台灣文學基地做的這個預手嘛\n52378\t60282\t它是用回收再利用的材質然後裡面是放進了你可以自己挑選你喜歡的一段台灣文學的其中的一句話那我覺得這個設計是跟我們在地社區的互動是非常良好的覺得很肯定那即將要啟用的這個文學糧倉我想它的主要的服務對象是我們台灣的新興的文學創作者\n80732\t86697\t然後甚至我們也鼓勵跨領域的創作例如說你的空間裡面它如果是戲劇的影音的相關的創作都可以來這裡來使用你的空間所以我想我們未來這個影運勢必在我們台灣文學社群界裡面會形成一個聯誼\n101688\t107415\t也許有很多還是還在潛力猩猩在進入到我們的文學兩倉裡面的文學沙盒以後會遇到已經在市場上面已經比較能夠站起來的文學作家大家可以一起來相互的交會交流\n120470\t134685\t所以我們相當的期待不過我想要提醒的是目前看起來你們的營運其實會有一點吃力因為台灣文學館在台北的兩個基地你們總共的人力工作人員是十位那\n135746\t161614\t要去經營兩個據點所以你的文學兩章目前預計開放的時間是週末是閉館的有開館的時間是平日2到5早上10點到下午6點所以這個時間上對一般的民眾其實相當不友善那即便是對我們的創作者那可能時間也不一定配合得上或者是時間的長度不一定充足你們現在這兩個據點\n165535\t191020\t每年的經費是多少大概是一千八百萬左右一千八百萬是文學糧倉對有加上文學基地嗎文學基地的話大概也是差不多的金額所以兩個所以加起來大概三千多萬對所以你一個基地的營運經費一年是一千多萬我是認為真的不夠\n194884\t200846\t那既然好不容易我們眾所期待像我是國立台灣文學館開幕的時候我們是全家一起跑到台南去看然後我看了一次不夠之後再自己跟同學約了再特別搭車到台南去看所以對台北人來講這個我們稍微在現場我們是很羨慕台南我好不容易台北也有文學館的分館了所以呢\n218072\t232063\t我們希望你們可以開幕以後營運在營運上面發現倘若我們需要來增加資源我們未來應該要讓他逐步來到位好請你們持續來關注那至於昭和樓我今天要給個具體的建議\n233744\t239027\t因為昭和樓是2020年我擔任市議員的期間當時感謝文史工作者林宗奎跟蕭文傑老師提供了一些關於這個場所的新市政所以我是這一個文資的提報人當時是我到台北市文資審議會現場去報告的那後來也順利的通過歷史建物的審定\n256636\t283314\t那后面在我们中央的产权一度从审计部可能一度要归还给国产署那最后我非常的庆幸欢庆听到它现在是交到了我们台博馆的手上目前也在进行规划在利用的这个审定对不对我想要给一个具体的建议因为我们昨天去看的台湾文学粮仓它就在华山文化园区步行大概两分钟\n284315\t299296\t那昭和樓台婆館未來這個分館更是緊鄰華山文創園區所以這可能是全台灣各縣市裡面相當罕見的很密集的藝文聚落\n300444\t320176\t在一個步行五分鐘之內我們有你們文化部的華山應文園區有我們台灣文學館的分館有台博館的分館所以我認為未來這個台博館的分館昭和樓在做規劃的時候務必要去考量它跟周邊聚落\n320956\t345914\t的聚合性例如說華山園區裡面有這個音樂展演廳它裡面有電影院那你文學糧商有文學沙盒那這個昭和樓它有沒有可能未來成為一個音樂沙盒就是培養潛力新星因為能夠到華山裡面Legacy去表演專場的都是一定具有一定的市場性\n346554\t367348\t所以我想這個因為都還在討論當中我想未來希望你們可以邀請相關的年輕世代的藝文社群大家可以一起來討論這個絕對會是未來我們百年難得一見很重要的藝文聚落好不好邀請藝文社群來一起來討論它未來的可能性謝謝委員的建議那這個邀請\n368769\t382565\t周遭或者是藝文團體文化人士的共同討論這一定會做那只是先初步跟部長因為台博的它是台博的分館可是台博現在業務裡面還真是沒有涉及到音樂這一塊\n383646\t394108\t沒有錯所以我就是要提醒你們文化部的角色是因為如果是從台博的本位思考的話一定是以台博在中正區台北好幾個分館一定是以台博各個分館之間的搭配來做設置但是我提醒你們必須要以揭霍文化聚落的角度來去思考這一個據點竟然花了那麼多資源把它變成歷史兼務花那麼多錢重新修復要去活化使用了\n411112\t414473\t他應該要對這個聚落的整體藝文發展我覺得他要有提出他的貢獻所以這個請你們也納入來討論好 最後是有關於我們今天的世界文化遺產潛力點首先我要說台灣因為中國的因素\n428399\t452793\t平平對台灣打壓所以無法加入聯合國組織但是台灣沒有因此減少在世界上面的影響力以醫療來說台灣沒有加入WHO但是台灣在國際的醫療貢獻是大家都肯定的尤其在防疫期間之後世界各國包括北美包括歐洲包括亞太各個地區都是很多國際組織\n454494\t469322\t科研单位来到台湾要跟我们一起来去学习我们的防疫经验而台湾的文化也一样即便我们没有加入联合国教科文组织但是台湾的文化在世界上的影响一点也不会因此减少所以呢我们现在要讨论的\n473604\t489629\t是我們對於我們自己的執行計畫有沒有可以再精進的地方我們台灣是在92年文建會實行的世界文化已知潛力點開始推動由專家學者跟地方政府來推薦然後你們領選總共是18處嘛18處裡面到今天114年有7處還沒有完成你們的文本\n503873\t525735\t文本的亂寫嗎?這個已經算非常非常基礎的資料,所以我不知道怎麼說,怎麼回事啊?15年的時間沒有辦法完成因為這個部分都還是有那個潛力點的主管機關我了解,所以這15年的期間你們跟潛力點的主管機關斷線了嗎?\n528831\t542290\t應該講說目前比較難完成的是像大屯火山群然後這個是內政部還有因為他又不是只有內政部主管因為還跨了新北市政府還有台北市政府這種跨單位的\n543772\t566048\t就是一個潛力點跨了兩三個單位的通常在文本的篆理上會跨單位我們都了解但我想15年的時間這個協調溝通總是應該串上線的趕快把它補上好不好哪一個地方政府不願意配合你們也可以提出來我們大家一起來協助溝通所以這個是第一點那第二個是\n567270\t575472\t我們現在的網站因為我們還是要邁向國際你的網站這第一頁首頁是全英文可是除了左邊的第一個標籤以外從第二個標籤開始點進去裡面通通是中文這個市長你們恐怕也蠻久沒看這個網頁我知道你們有在陸續更新沒有完成所以趕快好不好我知道之前慢了多有時間可以把它完成更新\n598686\t612198\t目前在改版中啦就剛好在改版中所以那個只有維持封面是18個點啦這15年來一個點都沒有增加所以這些基礎資料早就應該要完成盡速去改善好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝吳佩奕委員好 次長請回\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我請文化部次長好 有請李次長委員早安次長好昨天呢 我們教文有安排了考察就是到我們中正區一共是我們有三個場館包括了我們台灣文學館在台北的台灣文學基地以及即將啟用的台灣文學糧倉還有有我們台博館要\n進行規劃再利用的昭和樓也就是未來可能是台博館的分館這三個文化的地景那我自己覺得對於即將要啟用的台灣文學糧倉是非常的期待那這個我說這是我昨天在台灣文學基地做的這個預手嘛\n它是用回收再利用的材質然後裡面是放進了你可以自己挑選你喜歡的一段台灣文學的其中的一句話那我覺得這個設計是跟我們在地社區的互動是非常良好的覺得很肯定那即將要啟用的這個文學糧倉我想它的主要的服務對象是我們台灣的新興的文學創作者\n然後甚至我們也鼓勵跨領域的創作例如說你的空間裡面它如果是戲劇的影音的相關的創作都可以來這裡來使用你的空間所以我想我們未來這個影運勢必在我們台灣文學社群界裡面會形成一個聯誼\n也許有很多還是還在潛力猩猩在進入到我們的文學兩倉裡面的文學沙盒以後會遇到已經在市場上面已經比較能夠站起來的文學作家大家可以一起來相互的交會交流\n所以我們相當的期待不過我想要提醒的是目前看起來你們的營運其實會有一點吃力因為台灣文學館在台北的兩個基地你們總共的人力工作人員是十位那\n要去經營兩個據點所以你的文學兩章目前預計開放的時間是週末是閉館的有開館的時間是平日2到5早上10點到下午6點所以這個時間上對一般的民眾其實相當不友善那即便是對我們的創作者那可能時間也不一定配合得上或者是時間的長度不一定充足你們現在這兩個據點\n每年的經費是多少大概是一千八百萬左右一千八百萬是文學糧倉對有加上文學基地嗎文學基地的話大概也是差不多的金額所以兩個所以加起來大概三千多萬對所以你一個基地的營運經費一年是一千多萬我是認為真的不夠\n那既然好不容易我們眾所期待像我是國立台灣文學館開幕的時候我們是全家一起跑到台南去看然後我看了一次不夠之後再自己跟同學約了再特別搭車到台南去看所以對台北人來講這個我們稍微在現場我們是很羨慕台南我好不容易台北也有文學館的分館了所以呢\n我們希望你們可以開幕以後營運在營運上面發現倘若我們需要來增加資源我們未來應該要讓他逐步來到位好請你們持續來關注那至於昭和樓我今天要給個具體的建議\n因為昭和樓是2020年我擔任市議員的期間當時感謝文史工作者林宗奎跟蕭文傑老師提供了一些關於這個場所的新市政所以我是這一個文資的提報人當時是我到台北市文資審議會現場去報告的那後來也順利的通過歷史建物的審定\n那后面在我们中央的产权一度从审计部可能一度要归还给国产署那最后我非常的庆幸欢庆听到它现在是交到了我们台博馆的手上目前也在进行规划在利用的这个审定对不对我想要给一个具体的建议因为我们昨天去看的台湾文学粮仓它就在华山文化园区步行大概两分钟\n那昭和樓台婆館未來這個分館更是緊鄰華山文創園區所以這可能是全台灣各縣市裡面相當罕見的很密集的藝文聚落\n在一個步行五分鐘之內我們有你們文化部的華山應文園區有我們台灣文學館的分館有台博館的分館所以我認為未來這個台博館的分館昭和樓在做規劃的時候務必要去考量它跟周邊聚落\n的聚合性例如說華山園區裡面有這個音樂展演廳它裡面有電影院那你文學糧商有文學沙盒那這個昭和樓它有沒有可能未來成為一個音樂沙盒就是培養潛力新星因為能夠到華山裡面Legacy去表演專場的都是一定具有一定的市場性\n所以我想這個因為都還在討論當中我想未來希望你們可以邀請相關的年輕世代的藝文社群大家可以一起來討論這個絕對會是未來我們百年難得一見很重要的藝文聚落好不好邀請藝文社群來一起來討論它未來的可能性謝謝委員的建議那這個邀請\n周遭或者是藝文團體文化人士的共同討論這一定會做那只是先初步跟部長因為台博的它是台博的分館可是台博現在業務裡面還真是沒有涉及到音樂這一塊\n沒有錯所以我就是要提醒你們文化部的角色是因為如果是從台博的本位思考的話一定是以台博在中正區台北好幾個分館一定是以台博各個分館之間的搭配來做設置但是我提醒你們必須要以揭霍文化聚落的角度來去思考這一個據點竟然花了那麼多資源把它變成歷史兼務花那麼多錢重新修復要去活化使用了\n他應該要對這個聚落的整體藝文發展我覺得他要有提出他的貢獻所以這個請你們也納入來討論好 最後是有關於我們今天的世界文化遺產潛力點首先我要說台灣因為中國的因素\n平平對台灣打壓所以無法加入聯合國組織但是台灣沒有因此減少在世界上面的影響力以醫療來說台灣沒有加入WHO但是台灣在國際的醫療貢獻是大家都肯定的尤其在防疫期間之後世界各國包括北美包括歐洲包括亞太各個地區都是很多國際組織\n科研单位来到台湾要跟我们一起来去学习我们的防疫经验而台湾的文化也一样即便我们没有加入联合国教科文组织但是台湾的文化在世界上的影响一点也不会因此减少所以呢我们现在要讨论的\n是我們對於我們自己的執行計畫有沒有可以再精進的地方我們台灣是在92年文建會實行的世界文化已知潛力點開始推動由專家學者跟地方政府來推薦然後你們領選總共是18處嘛18處裡面到今天114年有7處還沒有完成你們的文本\n文本的亂寫嗎?這個已經算非常非常基礎的資料,所以我不知道怎麼說,怎麼回事啊?15年的時間沒有辦法完成因為這個部分都還是有那個潛力點的主管機關我了解,所以這15年的期間你們跟潛力點的主管機關斷線了嗎?\n應該講說目前比較難完成的是像大屯火山群然後這個是內政部還有因為他又不是只有內政部主管因為還跨了新北市政府還有台北市政府這種跨單位的\n就是一個潛力點跨了兩三個單位的通常在文本的篆理上會跨單位我們都了解但我想15年的時間這個協調溝通總是應該串上線的趕快把它補上好不好哪一個地方政府不願意配合你們也可以提出來我們大家一起來協助溝通所以這個是第一點那第二個是\n我們現在的網站因為我們還是要邁向國際你的網站這第一頁首頁是全英文可是除了左邊的第一個標籤以外從第二個標籤開始點進去裡面通通是中文這個市長你們恐怕也蠻久沒看這個網頁我知道你們有在陸續更新沒有完成所以趕快好不好我知道之前慢了多有時間可以把它完成更新\n目前在改版中啦就剛好在改版中所以那個只有維持封面是18個點啦這15年來一個點都沒有增加所以這些基礎資料早就應該要完成盡速去改善好不好好 謝謝好 謝謝吳佩奕委員好 次長請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.777 --> 00:08.380\n謝謝主席我請文化部次長好有請李次長委員早安次長好昨天呢我們教文有安排了考察就是到我們中正區一共是我們有三個場館包括了我們台灣文學館在台北的台灣文學基地以及即將啟用的台灣文學糧倉還有有我們台博館要\n\n00:33.876 --> 00:44.569\n進行規劃再利用的昭和樓也就是未來可能是台博館的分館這三個文化的地景那我自己覺得對於即將要啟用的台灣文學糧倉是非常的期待那這個我說這是我昨天在台灣文學基地做的這個預手嘛\n\n00:52.378 --> 01:00.282\n它是用回收再利用的材質然後裡面是放進了你可以自己挑選你喜歡的一段台灣文學的其中的一句話那我覺得這個設計是跟我們在地社區的互動是非常良好的覺得很肯定那即將要啟用的這個文學糧倉我想它的主要的服務對象是我們台灣的新興的文學創作者\n\n01:20.732 --> 01:26.697\n然後甚至我們也鼓勵跨領域的創作例如說你的空間裡面它如果是戲劇的影音的相關的創作都可以來這裡來使用你的空間所以我想我們未來這個影運勢必在我們台灣文學社群界裡面會形成一個聯誼\n\n01:41.688 --> 01:47.415\n也許有很多還是還在潛力猩猩在進入到我們的文學兩倉裡面的文學沙盒以後會遇到已經在市場上面已經比較能夠站起來的文學作家大家可以一起來相互的交會交流\n\n02:00.470 --> 02:14.685\n所以我們相當的期待不過我想要提醒的是目前看起來你們的營運其實會有一點吃力因為台灣文學館在台北的兩個基地你們總共的人力工作人員是十位那\n\n02:15.746 --> 02:41.614\n要去經營兩個據點所以你的文學兩章目前預計開放的時間是週末是閉館的有開館的時間是平日2到5早上10點到下午6點所以這個時間上對一般的民眾其實相當不友善那即便是對我們的創作者那可能時間也不一定配合得上或者是時間的長度不一定充足你們現在這兩個據點\n\n02:45.535 --> 03:11.020\n每年的經費是多少大概是一千八百萬左右一千八百萬是文學糧倉對有加上文學基地嗎文學基地的話大概也是差不多的金額所以兩個所以加起來大概三千多萬對所以你一個基地的營運經費一年是一千多萬我是認為真的不夠\n\n03:14.884 --> 03:20.846\n那既然好不容易我們眾所期待像我是國立台灣文學館開幕的時候我們是全家一起跑到台南去看然後我看了一次不夠之後再自己跟同學約了再特別搭車到台南去看所以對台北人來講這個我們稍微在現場我們是很羨慕台南我好不容易台北也有文學館的分館了所以呢\n\n03:38.072 --> 03:52.063\n我們希望你們可以開幕以後營運在營運上面發現倘若我們需要來增加資源我們未來應該要讓他逐步來到位好請你們持續來關注那至於昭和樓我今天要給個具體的建議\n\n03:53.744 --> 03:59.027\n因為昭和樓是2020年我擔任市議員的期間當時感謝文史工作者林宗奎跟蕭文傑老師提供了一些關於這個場所的新市政所以我是這一個文資的提報人當時是我到台北市文資審議會現場去報告的那後來也順利的通過歷史建物的審定\n\n04:16.636 --> 04:43.314\n那后面在我们中央的产权一度从审计部可能一度要归还给国产署那最后我非常的庆幸欢庆听到它现在是交到了我们台博馆的手上目前也在进行规划在利用的这个审定对不对我想要给一个具体的建议因为我们昨天去看的台湾文学粮仓它就在华山文化园区步行大概两分钟\n\n04:44.315 --> 04:59.296\n那昭和樓台婆館未來這個分館更是緊鄰華山文創園區所以這可能是全台灣各縣市裡面相當罕見的很密集的藝文聚落\n\n05:00.444 --> 05:20.176\n在一個步行五分鐘之內我們有你們文化部的華山應文園區有我們台灣文學館的分館有台博館的分館所以我認為未來這個台博館的分館昭和樓在做規劃的時候務必要去考量它跟周邊聚落\n\n05:20.956 --> 05:45.914\n的聚合性例如說華山園區裡面有這個音樂展演廳它裡面有電影院那你文學糧商有文學沙盒那這個昭和樓它有沒有可能未來成為一個音樂沙盒就是培養潛力新星因為能夠到華山裡面Legacy去表演專場的都是一定具有一定的市場性\n\n05:46.554 --> 06:07.348\n所以我想這個因為都還在討論當中我想未來希望你們可以邀請相關的年輕世代的藝文社群大家可以一起來討論這個絕對會是未來我們百年難得一見很重要的藝文聚落好不好邀請藝文社群來一起來討論它未來的可能性謝謝委員的建議那這個邀請\n\n06:08.769 --> 06:22.565\n周遭或者是藝文團體文化人士的共同討論這一定會做那只是先初步跟部長因為台博的它是台博的分館可是台博現在業務裡面還真是沒有涉及到音樂這一塊\n\n06:23.646 --> 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