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00:01:00,579\n台灣不是一個國家台灣唯一稱為就是中國台灣省這種貶低台灣踐踏台灣主權的帖文還有藝人為求發展直接認同自己就是中國人而不斷地貶低台灣次長您覺得說藝人附中是為求發展但是卻陸續發出這樣子傷害台灣主權的言論文化部認為這樣子是合適的嗎\n\n4\n00:01:02,472 --> 00:01:28,219\n當然我們還是要譴責中國的這種做法這種統戰的做法然後去利用我們的藝人或者是文化界人士強迫他們去做這樣子的表態我們真的希望中國可以不要用統戰或政治的手腕來逼迫藝人跟文化人做任何的表態所以其實文化部這邊的立場也覺得這是非常不適合不恰當的\n\n5\n00:01:29,119 --> 00:01:33,569\n那陸委會日前也明確的表示說針對這些邁臺藝人會有相關規範的訂定並且會協同文化部來召開專案會議想要市長說目前你們進度如何\n\n6\n00:01:41,305 --> 00:01:41,445\n行政院在開會協調\n\n7\n00:02:11,485 --> 00:02:30,573\n因為我會表示說藝人如果有在特定的時間轉發中共訊息會視為說是一個合作的性質也會同文化部進行行政查核按照他的頻率及嚴重性用客觀的標準來檢視本席相信說文化部不會一律的就是禁止藝人負重發展\n\n8\n00:02:31,013 --> 00:02:46,571\n但是在台灣發揮在台灣願意成長的這些藝人腹中發展之後數點忘祖為求發展不斷的配合共產黨進行任職作戰我想這是台灣民眾沒有辦法接受的他們根本是忘了自己的國家也不要自己的家忘了自己的國\n\n9\n00:02:47,392 --> 00:03:05,800\n那文化部這邊呢是不是會針對說調查後之後有確實有邁達行為的相關藝人有一些因應的這個處罰機制例如說是不是追討曾經補助過的計畫經費或是規定之後有相關文化部這邊的補助案他們不能申請會不會朝這個方向\n\n10\n00:03:06,993 --> 00:03:18,802\n目前就我所知我們跟陸委會這邊協調是他這個反應就如果有確切的一個接受對方的補助或者是而去發了這樣子傷害我們國權踐踏台灣地位的這樣的言論的時候是會有罰環可是這個罰環\n\n11\n00:03:26,528 --> 00:03:38,321\n是不是要涉及說我們用其他的追討前面曾經補助過或者是限制他未來的補助資格這件事情我們會一併的加以討論跟研議好嗎希望說你們去研議朝這個方向因為我們不能讓他有恃無恐\n\n12\n00:03:42,406 --> 00:03:47,831\n不能覺得說我在這邊講了什麼我配合中共配合共產黨所發的言論文化部這邊拿我沒皮條這個部分我希望說我們有一個比較嚴格的嚴謹的一個規範希望說我們文化部跟陸委會這邊盡速將相關的規範制定完成讓藝人附中發展他們有所因應有所依循也景氣\n\n13\n00:04:06,389 --> 00:04:11,571\n他們就說有這樣子的規範在謹慶他們不能這樣子無底線的配合共產黨來傷害台灣的主權傷害台灣民眾的心這個部分希望你們可以盡快有一個規範來制定接下來我這邊要先感謝次長您在今年魯班公宴代表文化部到鹿港參加魯班公宴的祭典並且擔任主祭官\n\n14\n00:04:29,557 --> 00:04:45,185\n我相信說次長您在盧班公演的時候也看到說許多令人讚嘆令人驚豔的這個公益作品那本席選區鹿港也是說是算是公益古鎮那本席也一直非常關心公益人才以及匠師的這個培育以及育成\n\n15\n00:04:46,005 --> 00:05:13,419\n工藝技衣之所以重要是因為工藝存在於我們的生活之中小到所做的這小東西大到裝飾品或是裝置藝術工藝是無所不在的那工藝也是需要紀念需要傳承以及推廣本席鄉事務次長也是認同的那國立台灣工藝研究發展中心推出2025台灣工藝祭那五號部長李遠部長在致詞的時候有表示說工藝就在生活之中也是最認能\n\n16\n00:05:14,379 --> 00:05:43,339\n可以最讓人喚醒這個生活的熱情那今年有台灣公益祭未來台灣也會是公益島顯現我們台灣公益祭是受到大家的肯定不論是文化部還是民間的這個公益人才都是認同台灣公益的優秀與創新那台灣有如此優秀的公益祭以及這麼多的公益人才文化部一直以來也都在研擬這個設置台灣公益節那本席這邊想請教目前研擬的進度怎麼樣\n\n17\n00:05:45,321 --> 00:06:04,321\n對臺灣公益節臺灣公益節的部分我們現在是透過活動我們每年在6月5號的時候其實都會有一系列的活動來凸顯我們公益在生活中的一個重要性那至於能不能訂一個節日的部分因為要有提案單位所以這部分就我所知我們好像一個公益總會它現在也有一些提案\n\n18\n00:06:04,861 --> 00:06:10,825\n那我想民間的那個能量如果那個提議到一定能量的時候我們會適時的去轉達給內政部然後看讓內政部來研議是不是能夠定為一個所謂的假日或是紀念日根據紀念日及節日實施辦法第五條第28款其他由中央目的事業主管機關核定之旅就是說\n\n19\n00:06:26,095 --> 00:06:54,334\n文化部這邊只要你們認定有其必要合訂之後我們你們呈報內政部就可以那本席是非常的支持設置台灣公益節並且可以提高到國家紀念日的層級那我今天也有相關的臨時提案喔因為文化部既然沒有方向有規劃就應該讓台灣公益節可以成真我們來表彰就是對台灣公益的肯定跟支持公益其實一直是一個很沉默但是又一直在不斷的在付出\n\n20\n00:06:55,134 --> 00:07:15,266\n不算的在默默的做他們自己創新這個公益的這樣手作的這樣一個群體但是有我們內政有我們那個文化部這邊如果你們可以提報到內政部對他們的肯定我想這個對所有的公益人來講也是一個很大的鼓舞我希望說你們這邊可以盡快來做相關的這個規劃\n\n21\n00:07:18,888 --> 00:07:21,790\n謝謝委員提醒我們會再跟公益中心這邊做討論看什麼時候可以有進一步的動作好謝謝次長那現在進入今天這個專報的主題外部這邊我們為了呼籲聯合國家科文組織推動國際合作保護人類共有遺產從92年開始就辦理台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選\n\n22\n00:07:41,283 --> 00:07:50,786\n那從99年確定有18處的潛力點之後都沒有再新增那這十幾年來都沒有合適新增的潛力點嗎應該是說我們一年在討論的時候包括在112年第五屆的最後一次討論其實有談到說因為\n\n23\n00:08:04,690 --> 00:08:24,230\n我們剛剛講預算大概就是五千萬如果說潛力點不斷的增加的話其實勢多利分就是會我們對於潛力點的保護或者是力量就會被均分掉了所以才會希望集中所以為什麼後來台討論說我們可能用\n\n24\n00:08:24,730 --> 00:08:50,347\n把阿里山林業鐵路作為一個集中的一個保護點把利器稍微集中一些不然我們邀請來的這些國外的專家來他也很難一口氣看18個點那我們才會有這樣子一個逐步的討論可是並不是說我們只做阿里山其他17處就放棄掉也不能這樣子我們要繼續保溫繼續支持他們所以如果要不要再增加新的潛力點\n\n25\n00:08:51,347 --> 00:09:19,029\n這個部分就我們的要點來講我們並沒有禁止地方政府如果提出那我們還是會經過審議委員會這樣一個去討論那只是跟委員做說明的是審議委員不免會考慮到說現有的18個點都還沒有做好甚至還有7處連那個潛力的文本都還沒有完成那是覺得說是不是在此時此刻要增加新的潛力點這個部分委員們會去做另外的考量\n\n26\n00:09:19,409 --> 00:09:36,779\n那只是說只要有縣政府提報的話我們其實基本上都還是會盡量的挪出經費來支持縣市政府做初期的一個研究跟文本的鑽明但是其實根據作業議要點的規定除了縣市政府提報之外文資局也可以自行提報文資局這邊你們有自行提報過嗎\n\n27\n00:09:40,576 --> 00:10:02,662\n剛剛的提問就是已經有18處了所以有一點是因為礙於預算還有人力這其實這樣聽起來覺得有點遺憾那本席這邊也問過文資局我們彰化縣政府在111年有提出文資局的補助50萬來進行前立點的撰寫及評估計畫但是後來沒有正式的提報是中間有什麼問題嗎為什麼後來就無疾而終\n\n28\n00:10:06,376 --> 00:10:29,702\n可能要問一下彰化縣政府你們沒有去了解嗎他已經完成了然後可是我不知道說可能在提案自己做的他可能覺得還不錯就是說他申請這個50萬來補助他們寫相關的計畫他們是有完成的只是到最後沒有提報所以是彰化縣政府的問題\n\n29\n00:10:30,862 --> 00:10:33,785\n應該這樣講就是說我們他現在做完一個評估報告之後所以理論上他如果要進到我們的審議大會裡頭他還是得先有他地方層級的世界遺產推動會去他地方層級先通過他然後還有另外一個他必須要講的公聽會因為\n\n30\n00:10:47,378 --> 00:11:02,746\n一旦被劃定是歷史結局就是他有文化資產的身份以後對於當地的居民的土地建物都會有相對程度的一種限制所以他必須透過公聽會得到民眾的支持了以後我們才有辦法進行下一步\n\n31\n00:11:03,635 --> 00:11:16,632\n所以他申請補助來撰寫這個評估計畫之後他自己彰化縣政府並沒有進行後面後續的相關目前還沒有目前還沒有本席希望說文化部我們辦理這個世界遺產潛力點要\n\n32\n00:11:18,615 --> 00:11:23,176\n希望可以更積極雖然說剛有提到說可能礙於經費跟人力但是我們在補助縣市政府完成相關計畫之後希望也要持續追蹤我們至少要掌握後續的狀況是如何希望可以讓縣市政府順利的完成就像剛剛配議委員講的不要斷線這個中間有怎樣的問題產生我們都應該要去了解跟掌握\n\n33\n00:11:42,740 --> 00:11:56,925\n我們是希望說讓我們台灣有更多具有世界遺產潛力的這個文化景點可以妥善的保存而且可以讓我們國人一起甚至讓外國的遊客更多人來領略台灣之美所以這個部分也希望文化部可以更積極\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7119\t7139\t次長\n20529\t41043\t近日這個新聞上近日又頻頻傳出中國對台灣進行各種認知作戰例如說在社群平台上散播假訊息等其中影響最廣最多的就是讓附中發展的台灣藝人配合散播相關的這個資訊還有邀請藝人附中拍攝呼籲兩岸統一的這個劇情電影要求藝人配合轉發\n41883\t60579\t台灣不是一個國家台灣唯一稱為就是中國台灣省這種貶低台灣踐踏台灣主權的帖文還有藝人為求發展直接認同自己就是中國人而不斷地貶低台灣次長您覺得說藝人附中是為求發展但是卻陸續發出這樣子傷害台灣主權的言論文化部認為這樣子是合適的嗎\n62472\t88219\t當然我們還是要譴責中國的這種做法這種統戰的做法然後去利用我們的藝人或者是文化界人士強迫他們去做這樣子的表態我們真的希望中國可以不要用統戰或政治的手腕來逼迫藝人跟文化人做任何的表態所以其實文化部這邊的立場也覺得這是非常不適合不恰當的\n89119\t93569\t那陸委會日前也明確的表示說針對這些邁臺藝人會有相關規範的訂定並且會協同文化部來召開專案會議想要市長說目前你們進度如何\n101305\t101445\t行政院在開會協調\n131485\t150573\t因為我會表示說藝人如果有在特定的時間轉發中共訊息會視為說是一個合作的性質也會同文化部進行行政查核按照他的頻率及嚴重性用客觀的標準來檢視本席相信說文化部不會一律的就是禁止藝人負重發展\n151013\t166571\t但是在台灣發揮在台灣願意成長的這些藝人腹中發展之後數點忘祖為求發展不斷的配合共產黨進行任職作戰我想這是台灣民眾沒有辦法接受的他們根本是忘了自己的國家也不要自己的家忘了自己的國\n167392\t185800\t那文化部這邊呢是不是會針對說調查後之後有確實有邁達行為的相關藝人有一些因應的這個處罰機制例如說是不是追討曾經補助過的計畫經費或是規定之後有相關文化部這邊的補助案他們不能申請會不會朝這個方向\n186993\t198802\t目前就我所知我們跟陸委會這邊協調是他這個反應就如果有確切的一個接受對方的補助或者是而去發了這樣子傷害我們國權踐踏台灣地位的這樣的言論的時候是會有罰環可是這個罰環\n206528\t218321\t是不是要涉及說我們用其他的追討前面曾經補助過或者是限制他未來的補助資格這件事情我們會一併的加以討論跟研議好嗎希望說你們去研議朝這個方向因為我們不能讓他有恃無恐\n222406\t227831\t不能覺得說我在這邊講了什麼 我配合中共 配合共產黨所發的言論文化部這邊拿我沒皮條這個部分我希望說我們有一個比較嚴格的 嚴謹的一個規範希望說我們文化部跟陸委會這邊盡速將相關的規範制定完成讓藝人附中發展他們有所因應 有所依循 也景氣\n246389\t251571\t他們就說有這樣子的規範在 謹慶他們不能這樣子無底線的配合共產黨來傷害台灣的主權 傷害台灣民眾的心這個部分希望你們可以盡快有一個規範來制定接下來我這邊要先感謝次長您在今年魯班公宴代表文化部到鹿港參加魯班公宴的祭典並且擔任主祭官\n269557\t285185\t我相信說次長您在盧班公演的時候也看到說許多令人讚嘆令人驚豔的這個公益作品那本席選區鹿港也是說是算是公益古鎮那本席也一直非常關心公益人才以及匠師的這個培育以及育成\n286005\t313419\t工藝技衣之所以重要是因為工藝存在於我們的生活之中小到所做的這小東西大到裝飾品或是裝置藝術工藝是無所不在的那工藝也是需要紀念需要傳承以及推廣本席鄉事務次長也是認同的那國立台灣工藝研究發展中心推出2025台灣工藝祭那五號部長李遠部長在致詞的時候有表示說工藝就在生活之中也是最認能\n314379\t343339\t可以最讓人喚醒這個生活的熱情那今年有台灣公益祭未來台灣也會是公益島顯現我們台灣公益祭是受到大家的肯定不論是文化部還是民間的這個公益人才都是認同台灣公益的優秀與創新那台灣有如此優秀的公益祭以及這麼多的公益人才文化部一直以來也都在研擬這個設置台灣公益節那本席這邊想請教目前研擬的進度怎麼樣\n345321\t364321\t對臺灣公益節臺灣公益節的部分我們現在是透過活動我們每年在6月5號的時候其實都會有一系列的活動來凸顯我們公益在生活中的一個重要性那至於能不能訂一個節日的部分因為要有提案單位所以這部分就我所知我們好像一個公益總會它現在也有一些提案\n364861\t370825\t那我想民間的那個能量如果那個提議到一定能量的時候我們會適時的去轉達給內政部然後看讓內政部來研議是不是能夠定為一個所謂的假日或是紀念日根據紀念日及節日實施辦法第五條第28款其他由中央目的事業主管機關核定之旅就是說\n386095\t414334\t文化部這邊只要你們認定有其必要合訂之後我們你們呈報內政部就可以那本席是非常的支持設置台灣公益節並且可以提高到國家紀念日的層級那我今天也有相關的臨時提案喔因為文化部既然沒有方向有規劃就應該讓台灣公益節可以成真我們來表彰就是對台灣公益的肯定跟支持公益其實一直是一個很沉默但是又一直在不斷的在付出\n415134\t435266\t不算的在默默的做他們自己創新這個公益的這樣手作的這樣一個群體但是有我們內政有我們那個文化部這邊如果你們可以提報到內政部對他們的肯定我想這個對所有的公益人來講也是一個很大的鼓舞我希望說你們這邊可以盡快來做相關的這個規劃\n438888\t441790\t謝謝委員提醒我們會再跟公益中心這邊做討論看什麼時候可以有進一步的動作好 謝謝次長那現在進入今天這個專報的主題外部這邊我們為了呼籲聯合國家科文組織推動國際合作保護人類共有遺產從92年開始就辦理台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選\n461283\t470786\t那從99年確定有18處的潛力點之後都沒有再新增那這十幾年來都沒有合適新增的潛力點嗎應該是說我們一年在討論的時候包括在112年第五屆的最後一次討論其實有談到說因為\n484690\t504230\t我們剛剛講預算大概就是五千萬如果說潛力點不斷的增加的話其實勢多利分就是會我們對於潛力點的保護或者是力量就會被均分掉了所以才會希望集中所以為什麼後來台討論說我們可能用\n504730\t530347\t把阿里山林業鐵路作為一個集中的一個保護點把利器稍微集中一些不然我們邀請來的這些國外的專家來他也很難一口氣看18個點那我們才會有這樣子一個逐步的討論可是並不是說我們只做阿里山其他17處就放棄掉也不能這樣子我們要繼續保溫繼續支持他們所以如果要不要再增加新的潛力點\n531347\t559029\t這個部分就我們的要點來講我們並沒有禁止地方政府如果提出那我們還是會經過審議委員會這樣一個去討論那只是跟委員做說明的是審議委員不免會考慮到說現有的18個點都還沒有做好甚至還有7處連那個潛力的文本都還沒有完成那是覺得說是不是在此時此刻要增加新的潛力點這個部分委員們會去做另外的考量\n559409\t576779\t那只是說只要有縣政府提報的話我們其實基本上都還是會盡量的挪出經費來支持縣市政府做初期的一個研究跟文本的鑽明但是其實根據作業議要點的規定除了縣市政府提報之外文資局也可以自行提報文資局這邊你們有自行提報過嗎\n580576\t602662\t剛剛的提問就是已經有18處了所以有一點是因為礙於預算還有人力這其實這樣聽起來覺得有點遺憾那本席這邊也問過文資局我們彰化縣政府在111年有提出文資局的補助50萬來進行前立點的撰寫及評估計畫但是後來沒有正式的提報是中間有什麼問題嗎為什麼後來就無疾而終\n606376\t629702\t可能要問一下彰化縣政府你們沒有去了解嗎他已經完成了然後可是我不知道說可能在提案自己做的他可能覺得還不錯就是說他申請這個50萬來補助他們寫相關的計畫他們是有完成的只是到最後沒有提報所以是彰化縣政府的問題\n630862\t633785\t應該這樣講就是說我們他現在做完一個評估報告之後所以理論上他如果要進到我們的審議大會裡頭他還是得先有他地方層級的世界遺產推動會去他地方層級先通過他然後還有另外一個他必須要講的公聽會因為\n647378\t662746\t一旦被劃定是歷史結局就是他有文化資產的身份以後對於當地的居民的土地建物都會有相對程度的一種限制所以他必須透過公聽會得到民眾的支持了以後我們才有辦法進行下一步\n663635\t676632\t所以他申請補助來撰寫這個評估計畫之後他自己彰化縣政府並沒有進行後面後續的相關目前還沒有目前還沒有本席希望說文化部我們辦理這個世界遺產潛力點要\n678615\t683176\t希望可以更積極雖然說剛有提到說可能礙於經費跟人力但是我們在補助縣市政府完成相關計畫之後希望也要持續追蹤我們至少要掌握後續的狀況是如何希望可以讓縣市政府順利的完成就像剛剛配議委員講的不要斷線這個中間有怎樣的問題產生我們都應該要去了解跟掌握\n702740\t716925\t我們是希望說讓我們台灣有更多具有世界遺產潛力的這個文化景點可以妥善的保存而且可以讓我們國人一起甚至讓外國的遊客更多人來領略台灣之美所以這個部分也希望文化部可以更積極\n","txt":"次長\n近日這個新聞上近日又頻頻傳出中國對台灣進行各種認知作戰例如說在社群平台上散播假訊息等其中影響最廣最多的就是讓附中發展的台灣藝人配合散播相關的這個資訊還有邀請藝人附中拍攝呼籲兩岸統一的這個劇情電影要求藝人配合轉發\n台灣不是一個國家台灣唯一稱為就是中國台灣省這種貶低台灣踐踏台灣主權的帖文還有藝人為求發展直接認同自己就是中國人而不斷地貶低台灣次長您覺得說藝人附中是為求發展但是卻陸續發出這樣子傷害台灣主權的言論文化部認為這樣子是合適的嗎\n當然我們還是要譴責中國的這種做法這種統戰的做法然後去利用我們的藝人或者是文化界人士強迫他們去做這樣子的表態我們真的希望中國可以不要用統戰或政治的手腕來逼迫藝人跟文化人做任何的表態所以其實文化部這邊的立場也覺得這是非常不適合不恰當的\n那陸委會日前也明確的表示說針對這些邁臺藝人會有相關規範的訂定並且會協同文化部來召開專案會議想要市長說目前你們進度如何\n行政院在開會協調\n因為我會表示說藝人如果有在特定的時間轉發中共訊息會視為說是一個合作的性質也會同文化部進行行政查核按照他的頻率及嚴重性用客觀的標準來檢視本席相信說文化部不會一律的就是禁止藝人負重發展\n但是在台灣發揮在台灣願意成長的這些藝人腹中發展之後數點忘祖為求發展不斷的配合共產黨進行任職作戰我想這是台灣民眾沒有辦法接受的他們根本是忘了自己的國家也不要自己的家忘了自己的國\n那文化部這邊呢是不是會針對說調查後之後有確實有邁達行為的相關藝人有一些因應的這個處罰機制例如說是不是追討曾經補助過的計畫經費或是規定之後有相關文化部這邊的補助案他們不能申請會不會朝這個方向\n目前就我所知我們跟陸委會這邊協調是他這個反應就如果有確切的一個接受對方的補助或者是而去發了這樣子傷害我們國權踐踏台灣地位的這樣的言論的時候是會有罰環可是這個罰環\n是不是要涉及說我們用其他的追討前面曾經補助過或者是限制他未來的補助資格這件事情我們會一併的加以討論跟研議好嗎希望說你們去研議朝這個方向因為我們不能讓他有恃無恐\n不能覺得說我在這邊講了什麼 我配合中共 配合共產黨所發的言論文化部這邊拿我沒皮條這個部分我希望說我們有一個比較嚴格的 嚴謹的一個規範希望說我們文化部跟陸委會這邊盡速將相關的規範制定完成讓藝人附中發展他們有所因應 有所依循 也景氣\n他們就說有這樣子的規範在 謹慶他們不能這樣子無底線的配合共產黨來傷害台灣的主權 傷害台灣民眾的心這個部分希望你們可以盡快有一個規範來制定接下來我這邊要先感謝次長您在今年魯班公宴代表文化部到鹿港參加魯班公宴的祭典並且擔任主祭官\n我相信說次長您在盧班公演的時候也看到說許多令人讚嘆令人驚豔的這個公益作品那本席選區鹿港也是說是算是公益古鎮那本席也一直非常關心公益人才以及匠師的這個培育以及育成\n工藝技衣之所以重要是因為工藝存在於我們的生活之中小到所做的這小東西大到裝飾品或是裝置藝術工藝是無所不在的那工藝也是需要紀念需要傳承以及推廣本席鄉事務次長也是認同的那國立台灣工藝研究發展中心推出2025台灣工藝祭那五號部長李遠部長在致詞的時候有表示說工藝就在生活之中也是最認能\n可以最讓人喚醒這個生活的熱情那今年有台灣公益祭未來台灣也會是公益島顯現我們台灣公益祭是受到大家的肯定不論是文化部還是民間的這個公益人才都是認同台灣公益的優秀與創新那台灣有如此優秀的公益祭以及這麼多的公益人才文化部一直以來也都在研擬這個設置台灣公益節那本席這邊想請教目前研擬的進度怎麼樣\n對臺灣公益節臺灣公益節的部分我們現在是透過活動我們每年在6月5號的時候其實都會有一系列的活動來凸顯我們公益在生活中的一個重要性那至於能不能訂一個節日的部分因為要有提案單位所以這部分就我所知我們好像一個公益總會它現在也有一些提案\n那我想民間的那個能量如果那個提議到一定能量的時候我們會適時的去轉達給內政部然後看讓內政部來研議是不是能夠定為一個所謂的假日或是紀念日根據紀念日及節日實施辦法第五條第28款其他由中央目的事業主管機關核定之旅就是說\n文化部這邊只要你們認定有其必要合訂之後我們你們呈報內政部就可以那本席是非常的支持設置台灣公益節並且可以提高到國家紀念日的層級那我今天也有相關的臨時提案喔因為文化部既然沒有方向有規劃就應該讓台灣公益節可以成真我們來表彰就是對台灣公益的肯定跟支持公益其實一直是一個很沉默但是又一直在不斷的在付出\n不算的在默默的做他們自己創新這個公益的這樣手作的這樣一個群體但是有我們內政有我們那個文化部這邊如果你們可以提報到內政部對他們的肯定我想這個對所有的公益人來講也是一個很大的鼓舞我希望說你們這邊可以盡快來做相關的這個規劃\n謝謝委員提醒我們會再跟公益中心這邊做討論看什麼時候可以有進一步的動作好 謝謝次長那現在進入今天這個專報的主題外部這邊我們為了呼籲聯合國家科文組織推動國際合作保護人類共有遺產從92年開始就辦理台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選\n那從99年確定有18處的潛力點之後都沒有再新增那這十幾年來都沒有合適新增的潛力點嗎應該是說我們一年在討論的時候包括在112年第五屆的最後一次討論其實有談到說因為\n我們剛剛講預算大概就是五千萬如果說潛力點不斷的增加的話其實勢多利分就是會我們對於潛力點的保護或者是力量就會被均分掉了所以才會希望集中所以為什麼後來台討論說我們可能用\n把阿里山林業鐵路作為一個集中的一個保護點把利器稍微集中一些不然我們邀請來的這些國外的專家來他也很難一口氣看18個點那我們才會有這樣子一個逐步的討論可是並不是說我們只做阿里山其他17處就放棄掉也不能這樣子我們要繼續保溫繼續支持他們所以如果要不要再增加新的潛力點\n這個部分就我們的要點來講我們並沒有禁止地方政府如果提出那我們還是會經過審議委員會這樣一個去討論那只是跟委員做說明的是審議委員不免會考慮到說現有的18個點都還沒有做好甚至還有7處連那個潛力的文本都還沒有完成那是覺得說是不是在此時此刻要增加新的潛力點這個部分委員們會去做另外的考量\n那只是說只要有縣政府提報的話我們其實基本上都還是會盡量的挪出經費來支持縣市政府做初期的一個研究跟文本的鑽明但是其實根據作業議要點的規定除了縣市政府提報之外文資局也可以自行提報文資局這邊你們有自行提報過嗎\n剛剛的提問就是已經有18處了所以有一點是因為礙於預算還有人力這其實這樣聽起來覺得有點遺憾那本席這邊也問過文資局我們彰化縣政府在111年有提出文資局的補助50萬來進行前立點的撰寫及評估計畫但是後來沒有正式的提報是中間有什麼問題嗎為什麼後來就無疾而終\n可能要問一下彰化縣政府你們沒有去了解嗎他已經完成了然後可是我不知道說可能在提案自己做的他可能覺得還不錯就是說他申請這個50萬來補助他們寫相關的計畫他們是有完成的只是到最後沒有提報所以是彰化縣政府的問題\n應該這樣講就是說我們他現在做完一個評估報告之後所以理論上他如果要進到我們的審議大會裡頭他還是得先有他地方層級的世界遺產推動會去他地方層級先通過他然後還有另外一個他必須要講的公聽會因為\n一旦被劃定是歷史結局就是他有文化資產的身份以後對於當地的居民的土地建物都會有相對程度的一種限制所以他必須透過公聽會得到民眾的支持了以後我們才有辦法進行下一步\n所以他申請補助來撰寫這個評估計畫之後他自己彰化縣政府並沒有進行後面後續的相關目前還沒有目前還沒有本席希望說文化部我們辦理這個世界遺產潛力點要\n希望可以更積極雖然說剛有提到說可能礙於經費跟人力但是我們在補助縣市政府完成相關計畫之後希望也要持續追蹤我們至少要掌握後續的狀況是如何希望可以讓縣市政府順利的完成就像剛剛配議委員講的不要斷線這個中間有怎樣的問題產生我們都應該要去了解跟掌握\n我們是希望說讓我們台灣有更多具有世界遺產潛力的這個文化景點可以妥善的保存而且可以讓我們國人一起甚至讓外國的遊客更多人來領略台灣之美所以這個部分也希望文化部可以更積極\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.119 --> 00:07.139\n次長\n\n00:20.529 --> 00:41.043\n近日這個新聞上近日又頻頻傳出中國對台灣進行各種認知作戰例如說在社群平台上散播假訊息等其中影響最廣最多的就是讓附中發展的台灣藝人配合散播相關的這個資訊還有邀請藝人附中拍攝呼籲兩岸統一的這個劇情電影要求藝人配合轉發\n\n00:41.883 --> 01:00.579\n台灣不是一個國家台灣唯一稱為就是中國台灣省這種貶低台灣踐踏台灣主權的帖文還有藝人為求發展直接認同自己就是中國人而不斷地貶低台灣次長您覺得說藝人附中是為求發展但是卻陸續發出這樣子傷害台灣主權的言論文化部認為這樣子是合適的嗎\n\n01:02.472 --> 01:28.219\n當然我們還是要譴責中國的這種做法這種統戰的做法然後去利用我們的藝人或者是文化界人士強迫他們去做這樣子的表態我們真的希望中國可以不要用統戰或政治的手腕來逼迫藝人跟文化人做任何的表態所以其實文化部這邊的立場也覺得這是非常不適合不恰當的\n\n01:29.119 --> 01:33.569\n那陸委會日前也明確的表示說針對這些邁臺藝人會有相關規範的訂定並且會協同文化部來召開專案會議想要市長說目前你們進度如何\n\n01:41.305 --> 01:41.445\n行政院在開會協調\n\n02:11.485 --> 02:30.573\n因為我會表示說藝人如果有在特定的時間轉發中共訊息會視為說是一個合作的性質也會同文化部進行行政查核按照他的頻率及嚴重性用客觀的標準來檢視本席相信說文化部不會一律的就是禁止藝人負重發展\n\n02:31.013 --> 02:46.571\n但是在台灣發揮在台灣願意成長的這些藝人腹中發展之後數點忘祖為求發展不斷的配合共產黨進行任職作戰我想這是台灣民眾沒有辦法接受的他們根本是忘了自己的國家也不要自己的家忘了自己的國\n\n02:47.392 --> 03:05.800\n那文化部這邊呢是不是會針對說調查後之後有確實有邁達行為的相關藝人有一些因應的這個處罰機制例如說是不是追討曾經補助過的計畫經費或是規定之後有相關文化部這邊的補助案他們不能申請會不會朝這個方向\n\n03:06.993 --> 03:18.802\n目前就我所知我們跟陸委會這邊協調是他這個反應就如果有確切的一個接受對方的補助或者是而去發了這樣子傷害我們國權踐踏台灣地位的這樣的言論的時候是會有罰環可是這個罰環\n\n03:26.528 --> 03:38.321\n是不是要涉及說我們用其他的追討前面曾經補助過或者是限制他未來的補助資格這件事情我們會一併的加以討論跟研議好嗎希望說你們去研議朝這個方向因為我們不能讓他有恃無恐\n\n03:42.406 --> 03:47.831\n不能覺得說我在這邊講了什麼我配合中共配合共產黨所發的言論文化部這邊拿我沒皮條這個部分我希望說我們有一個比較嚴格的嚴謹的一個規範希望說我們文化部跟陸委會這邊盡速將相關的規範制定完成讓藝人附中發展他們有所因應有所依循也景氣\n\n04:06.389 --> 04:11.571\n他們就說有這樣子的規範在謹慶他們不能這樣子無底線的配合共產黨來傷害台灣的主權傷害台灣民眾的心這個部分希望你們可以盡快有一個規範來制定接下來我這邊要先感謝次長您在今年魯班公宴代表文化部到鹿港參加魯班公宴的祭典並且擔任主祭官\n\n04:29.557 --> 04:45.185\n我相信說次長您在盧班公演的時候也看到說許多令人讚嘆令人驚豔的這個公益作品那本席選區鹿港也是說是算是公益古鎮那本席也一直非常關心公益人才以及匠師的這個培育以及育成\n\n04:46.005 --> 05:13.419\n工藝技衣之所以重要是因為工藝存在於我們的生活之中小到所做的這小東西大到裝飾品或是裝置藝術工藝是無所不在的那工藝也是需要紀念需要傳承以及推廣本席鄉事務次長也是認同的那國立台灣工藝研究發展中心推出2025台灣工藝祭那五號部長李遠部長在致詞的時候有表示說工藝就在生活之中也是最認能\n\n05:14.379 --> 05:43.339\n可以最讓人喚醒這個生活的熱情那今年有台灣公益祭未來台灣也會是公益島顯現我們台灣公益祭是受到大家的肯定不論是文化部還是民間的這個公益人才都是認同台灣公益的優秀與創新那台灣有如此優秀的公益祭以及這麼多的公益人才文化部一直以來也都在研擬這個設置台灣公益節那本席這邊想請教目前研擬的進度怎麼樣\n\n05:45.321 --> 06:04.321\n對臺灣公益節臺灣公益節的部分我們現在是透過活動我們每年在6月5號的時候其實都會有一系列的活動來凸顯我們公益在生活中的一個重要性那至於能不能訂一個節日的部分因為要有提案單位所以這部分就我所知我們好像一個公益總會它現在也有一些提案\n\n06:04.861 --> 06:10.825\n那我想民間的那個能量如果那個提議到一定能量的時候我們會適時的去轉達給內政部然後看讓內政部來研議是不是能夠定為一個所謂的假日或是紀念日根據紀念日及節日實施辦法第五條第28款其他由中央目的事業主管機關核定之旅就是說\n\n06:26.095 --> 06:54.334\n文化部這邊只要你們認定有其必要合訂之後我們你們呈報內政部就可以那本席是非常的支持設置台灣公益節並且可以提高到國家紀念日的層級那我今天也有相關的臨時提案喔因為文化部既然沒有方向有規劃就應該讓台灣公益節可以成真我們來表彰就是對台灣公益的肯定跟支持公益其實一直是一個很沉默但是又一直在不斷的在付出\n\n06:55.134 --> 07:15.266\n不算的在默默的做他們自己創新這個公益的這樣手作的這樣一個群體但是有我們內政有我們那個文化部這邊如果你們可以提報到內政部對他們的肯定我想這個對所有的公益人來講也是一個很大的鼓舞我希望說你們這邊可以盡快來做相關的這個規劃\n\n07:18.888 --> 07:21.790\n謝謝委員提醒我們會再跟公益中心這邊做討論看什麼時候可以有進一步的動作好謝謝次長那現在進入今天這個專報的主題外部這邊我們為了呼籲聯合國家科文組織推動國際合作保護人類共有遺產從92年開始就辦理台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選\n\n07:41.283 --> 07:50.786\n那從99年確定有18處的潛力點之後都沒有再新增那這十幾年來都沒有合適新增的潛力點嗎應該是說我們一年在討論的時候包括在112年第五屆的最後一次討論其實有談到說因為\n\n08:04.690 --> 08:24.230\n我們剛剛講預算大概就是五千萬如果說潛力點不斷的增加的話其實勢多利分就是會我們對於潛力點的保護或者是力量就會被均分掉了所以才會希望集中所以為什麼後來台討論說我們可能用\n\n08:24.730 --> 08:50.347\n把阿里山林業鐵路作為一個集中的一個保護點把利器稍微集中一些不然我們邀請來的這些國外的專家來他也很難一口氣看18個點那我們才會有這樣子一個逐步的討論可是並不是說我們只做阿里山其他17處就放棄掉也不能這樣子我們要繼續保溫繼續支持他們所以如果要不要再增加新的潛力點\n\n08:51.347 --> 09:19.029\n這個部分就我們的要點來講我們並沒有禁止地方政府如果提出那我們還是會經過審議委員會這樣一個去討論那只是跟委員做說明的是審議委員不免會考慮到說現有的18個點都還沒有做好甚至還有7處連那個潛力的文本都還沒有完成那是覺得說是不是在此時此刻要增加新的潛力點這個部分委員們會去做另外的考量\n\n09:19.409 --> 09:36.779\n那只是說只要有縣政府提報的話我們其實基本上都還是會盡量的挪出經費來支持縣市政府做初期的一個研究跟文本的鑽明但是其實根據作業議要點的規定除了縣市政府提報之外文資局也可以自行提報文資局這邊你們有自行提報過嗎\n\n09:40.576 --> 10:02.662\n剛剛的提問就是已經有18處了所以有一點是因為礙於預算還有人力這其實這樣聽起來覺得有點遺憾那本席這邊也問過文資局我們彰化縣政府在111年有提出文資局的補助50萬來進行前立點的撰寫及評估計畫但是後來沒有正式的提報是中間有什麼問題嗎為什麼後來就無疾而終\n\n10:06.376 --> 10:29.702\n可能要問一下彰化縣政府你們沒有去了解嗎他已經完成了然後可是我不知道說可能在提案自己做的他可能覺得還不錯就是說他申請這個50萬來補助他們寫相關的計畫他們是有完成的只是到最後沒有提報所以是彰化縣政府的問題\n\n10:30.862 --> 10:33.785\n應該這樣講就是說我們他現在做完一個評估報告之後所以理論上他如果要進到我們的審議大會裡頭他還是得先有他地方層級的世界遺產推動會去他地方層級先通過他然後還有另外一個他必須要講的公聽會因為\n\n10:47.378 --> 11:02.746\n一旦被劃定是歷史結局就是他有文化資產的身份以後對於當地的居民的土地建物都會有相對程度的一種限制所以他必須透過公聽會得到民眾的支持了以後我們才有辦法進行下一步\n\n11:03.635 --> 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我配合中共 配合共產黨所發的言論文化部這邊拿我沒皮條這個部分我希望說我們有一個比較嚴格的 嚴謹的一個規範希望說我們文化部跟陸委會這邊盡速將相關的規範制定完成讓藝人附中發展他們有所因應 有所依循 也景氣"},{"start":246.389,"end":251.571,"text":"他們就說有這樣子的規範在 謹慶他們不能這樣子無底線的配合共產黨來傷害台灣的主權 傷害台灣民眾的心這個部分希望你們可以盡快有一個規範來制定接下來我這邊要先感謝次長您在今年魯班公宴代表文化部到鹿港參加魯班公宴的祭典並且擔任主祭官"},{"start":269.557,"end":285.185,"text":"我相信說次長您在盧班公演的時候也看到說許多令人讚嘆令人驚豔的這個公益作品那本席選區鹿港也是說是算是公益古鎮那本席也一直非常關心公益人才以及匠師的這個培育以及育成"},{"start":286.005,"end":313.419,"text":"工藝技衣之所以重要是因為工藝存在於我們的生活之中小到所做的這小東西大到裝飾品或是裝置藝術工藝是無所不在的那工藝也是需要紀念需要傳承以及推廣本席鄉事務次長也是認同的那國立台灣工藝研究發展中心推出2025台灣工藝祭那五號部長李遠部長在致詞的時候有表示說工藝就在生活之中也是最認能"},{"start":314.379,"end":343.339,"text":"可以最讓人喚醒這個生活的熱情那今年有台灣公益祭未來台灣也會是公益島顯現我們台灣公益祭是受到大家的肯定不論是文化部還是民間的這個公益人才都是認同台灣公益的優秀與創新那台灣有如此優秀的公益祭以及這麼多的公益人才文化部一直以來也都在研擬這個設置台灣公益節那本席這邊想請教目前研擬的進度怎麼樣"},{"start":345.321,"end":364.321,"text":"對臺灣公益節臺灣公益節的部分我們現在是透過活動我們每年在6月5號的時候其實都會有一系列的活動來凸顯我們公益在生活中的一個重要性那至於能不能訂一個節日的部分因為要有提案單位所以這部分就我所知我們好像一個公益總會它現在也有一些提案"},{"start":364.861,"end":370.825,"text":"那我想民間的那個能量如果那個提議到一定能量的時候我們會適時的去轉達給內政部然後看讓內政部來研議是不是能夠定為一個所謂的假日或是紀念日根據紀念日及節日實施辦法第五條第28款其他由中央目的事業主管機關核定之旅就是說"},{"start":386.095,"end":414.334,"text":"文化部這邊只要你們認定有其必要合訂之後我們你們呈報內政部就可以那本席是非常的支持設置台灣公益節並且可以提高到國家紀念日的層級那我今天也有相關的臨時提案喔因為文化部既然沒有方向有規劃就應該讓台灣公益節可以成真我們來表彰就是對台灣公益的肯定跟支持公益其實一直是一個很沉默但是又一直在不斷的在付出"},{"start":415.134,"end":435.266,"text":"不算的在默默的做他們自己創新這個公益的這樣手作的這樣一個群體但是有我們內政有我們那個文化部這邊如果你們可以提報到內政部對他們的肯定我想這個對所有的公益人來講也是一個很大的鼓舞我希望說你們這邊可以盡快來做相關的這個規劃"},{"start":438.888,"end":441.79,"text":"謝謝委員提醒我們會再跟公益中心這邊做討論看什麼時候可以有進一步的動作好 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一步。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以在申請補助撰寫文本及評估計畫之後，彰化縣政府並沒有進行後續相關的這些……"],["李次長靜慧：對，目前還沒有。"],["陳委員秀寳：好。本席希望文化部辦理世界遺產潛力點可以更積極。雖然剛剛有提到可能礙於經費跟人力，但是我們在補助縣市政府完成相關計畫之後，希望也要持續追蹤，至少要掌握後續的狀況是如何，希望可以讓縣市政府順利地完成，就像剛剛沛憶委員講的不要斷線，這個中間有怎樣的問題產生，你們都應該要去了解跟掌握。我們是希望讓臺灣有更多具有世界遺產潛力的文化景點可以妥善地保存，而且可以讓我們國人，甚至讓外國遊客、讓更多人來領略臺灣之美，所以這個部分也希望文化部可以更積極。"],["李次長靜慧：謝謝委員的提醒，我們會繼續努力。謝謝。"],["陳委員秀寳：好，以上，謝謝次長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：好，謝謝陳秀寳委員，次長請回。","接下來請郭昱晴委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":132,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-22-15","speakers":["林宜瑾","柯志恩","劉書彬","葛如鈞","吳沛憶","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","張雅琳","范雲","林沛祥","徐富癸","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","萬美玲","吳思瑤","李坤城","鄭天財Sra 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