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00:05:47,876\n並沒有特別的預算來增加擴大公共建設這件事情據我了解應該沒有沒有啦主委我想我們還是要回歸到我們現在目前的整個公共工程跟營進業這個缺工缺料的一個問題那目前依據我們國土署發布的一個營進業的一個經濟概況目前缺工的人數高達五萬三千人\n\n15\n00:05:48,436 --> 00:06:10,444\n那一年增加四千多將近四千三百人人數在增加主委這沒有人這工程是怎麼進行尤其我們自己在看到我們像過去我一直在請主委幫忙尤其冰凍關我們有偏鄉有離島這個很多公共城的發包經費又要比其他的地方要更高才會在這裡衝上來那這個衝上來他們也擔心\n\n16\n00:06:15,668 --> 00:06:20,557\n這都很多的一個結構性的一些問題那主委這邊有沒有什麼好的一個想法\n\n17\n00:06:22,069 --> 00:06:47,518\n報告委員如果是公共工程的話有必要的話可以專案來協助那麼引進移工那另外呢工程會目前也跟考試院或其他大學在討論如何在偏鄉來協助培訓相關營建管理的人才跟大學合作落地取材\n\n18\n00:06:48,318 --> 00:07:09,547\n就是比方說設在屏東或是在花蓮我們現在目前是東部是很缺東部很缺所以我們就是特別要跟大學合作那麼來讓大學招生他有學分班但公共工程委員會也會針對我們原來的課程培訓也會加進去那麼希望就地取材讓就地的\n\n19\n00:07:10,287 --> 00:07:33,332\n居民他有這個一技之長然後投入當地的營建業或者相關的管理是我們目前在規劃這樣的事情是就陳儒剛剛我們有幾位委員特別提到包含過去我也接受過的代替像我們現在很多我們的住在屏東高雄的鄉親因科企分發到東部或到北部調不回來是因為\n\n20\n00:07:34,392 --> 00:07:56,446\n我們台鐵的招考東部跟北部招考都不順利因為我們的新制結構的問題那我過去有跟他們溝通說就像主委剛剛提的你應該就東部或北部在地的主體去增加怎麼樣一個誘因讓他們可以科技留在那個地方做服務讓我們這個大家都能夠有機會可以調回自己的家鄉來做服務不然這因為這整個\n\n21\n00:07:58,047 --> 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有請我們陳主委陳主委主委早主委我想今天我們交委會是審查祭司法我想這個是一個落實對這個性障礙族群的一個尊重那我們會來支持那不過今天還是有幾個我們實際面上的一些問題那來請教一下主委主委那個您看這個投影片上面主委跟我們講這個什麼地方\n37423\t59022\t主委我想今年恆春建成邁入150週年我們過去也一直積極跟文化部我們也積極爭取恆春古城的一個修復跟整建文化部今年也特別編了3億多的經費目前這個案子是送到我們工程會再進行審查不曉得主委知道這個案子嗎\n71809\t91177\t就是基本設計的審查是不是目前審查的進度好那目前的進度是還在計畫寫審就是他會送國安會之前會請各機關表示意見那工程會在寫審當中目前在進行中\n93454\t113886\t主委因為我過去我也跟著我們潘孟安縣長我們也在縣政府服務那我們都很關心這個恆春古城的一個整個整建的因為這是我們現在不像台灣保留最完整的一個古城牆我們也希望能夠做一個未來對一個觀光發展的一個整建之後對觀光發展有一個很正面的注意我想我們李一德副主委我們過去\n114967\t131554\t在縣府同事的時候我們都一直在努力做這個事情那但是因為現在考量到整個工程的經費還有這個城牆有些緊鄰私人地的一些問題所以變成這個工程的確實有一些難度存在那所以文化部我們接觸到文化部的\n132514\t158988\t他們在規劃設計上有要採取一個分段發包的一個策略我個人是覺得這樣分段發包會讓整個恆春的這個市鎮的周邊會變成長期的一個工地化的一個現象或是反而會影響到交通跟一個混光的一個發展那主委這部分依你的尊嚴有沒有辦法協助做怎麼樣的一個規劃可以讓工程能夠一次到位一次來做處理\n160749\t189201\t這部分我們是請李德副主委來跟文化部來會商看用什麼方式既能夠完成這個修復然後也避免這個同時間周圍都在進行工地施工的狀況工地化的一個狀況那李副主委在屏東待過嘛所以我請李德副主委來跟文化部來協商副主委那我們就找個時間我們約大家一起來討論一下好不好好\n192243\t200639\t因為古城的部分還有面臨一個問題就是我們很多身上的朋友以過去古城是有階梯的一個狀況被人家推掉這樣子的一個\n203054\t223439\t銜接的一個波度又很陡所以造成這個有些做爐膩的朋友,他想要站在街上有一些困難點那如果針對這樣的一個行動不便的長者或是爐膩族的部分像這樣的一個設施部分,主委能不能提供什麼樣的建議來做改善是,是粒子建築吧\n224983\t229266\t那肯定古蹟那我可能要尊重文化部的意見整個修復的設計整個都會有文化部的神意\n237176\t263596\t好 那我們也會來理解啦 來跟文化部看看有沒有可能做這樣的設施那這樣設施會不會有沒有違反原來它國定普及的相關的規定文字法裡面有些是規定的因格對 所以就是因為有困難所以才要請主委用個想辦法 看怎麼來協助啦好像請理副主委一併這個讓我們的長者還是一些腎臟的朋友也能夠\n265217\t292888\t趁現在看一看整個高雄的情形主委我想我們現在大家也都很關心美國關稅的風暴經濟部這邊有宣布我們要擴大公共建設的投資從200億到2500億的增加維持GDP佔比跟去年水準相同主委你目前知道我們有哪些部會會進行擴大公共設施的規劃嗎\n296422\t322711\t經濟部的的設施是不是公共建設目前目前預算今年114年的法定預算已經審議了那這個是在還沒有關稅衝擊之前編訂的經過大院來審議所以各部僅能針對114年度的法定預算那麼去做施作\n324640\t347876\t並沒有特別的預算來增加擴大公共建設這件事情據我了解應該沒有沒有啦主委我想我們還是要回歸到我們現在目前的整個公共工程跟營進業這個缺工缺料的一個問題那目前依據我們國土署發布的一個營進業的一個經濟概況目前缺工的人數高達五萬三千人\n348436\t370444\t那一年增加四千多 將近四千三百人人數在增加主委 這沒有人 這工程是怎麼進行尤其我們自己在 看到我們像過去我一直在請主委幫忙尤其冰凍關我們有偏鄉有離島這個很多公共城的發包經費又要比其他的地方要更高才會在這裡衝上來那這個衝上來他們也擔心\n375668\t380557\t這都很多的一個結構性的一些問題那主委這邊有沒有什麼好的一個想法\n382069\t407518\t報告委員如果是公共工程的話有必要的話可以專案來協助那麼引進移工那另外呢工程會目前也跟考試院或其他大學在討論如何在偏鄉來協助培訓相關營建管理的人才跟大學合作落地取材\n408318\t429547\t就是比方說設在屏東或是在花蓮我們現在目前是東部是很缺東部很缺所以我們就是特別要跟大學合作那麼來讓大學招生他有學分班但公共工程委員會也會針對我們原來的課程培訓也會加進去那麼希望就地取材讓就地的\n430287\t453332\t居民他有這個一技之長然後投入當地的營建業或者相關的管理是我們目前在規劃這樣的事情是就陳儒剛剛我們有幾位委員特別提到包含過去我也接受過的代替像我們現在很多我們的住在屏東高雄的鄉親因科企分發到東部或到北部調不回來是因為\n454392\t476446\t我們台鐵的招考東部跟北部招考都不順利因為我們的新制結構的問題那我過去有跟他們溝通說就像主委剛剛提的你應該就東部或北部在地的主體去增加怎麼樣一個誘因讓他們可以科技留在那個地方做服務讓我們這個大家都能夠有機會可以調回自己的家鄉來做服務不然這因為這整個\n478047\t504161\t人力的結構掉來掉去都不是套路就跟這個狀況一樣沒有在地就地取材的這個培訓因為我們都面臨很多的問題包含剛剛講的縣政府的這個土木的少年給扣掉了幾十年兩年他有那個祭祀白他就給你處理開業了他不會想留在公家機關我們也都很擔心這樣一個問題的產生所以主委我想這個是我們未來要一起在努力的一個方向\n505301\t526452\t那最後我想就是針對未來這個營建工程的物價指數的調整的部分那我想我們也擔心許多的重大的公共建設的流標的情形越來越嚴重那我想這個部分是不是請主委我們在兩個月之內針對這樣的一個缺工缺料的部分給本市一個報告好不好 要怎麼來做改善好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們陳主委陳主委主委早主委我想今天我們交委會是審查祭司法我想這個是一個落實對這個性障礙族群的一個尊重那我們會來支持那不過今天還是有幾個我們實際面上的一些問題那來請教一下主委主委那個您看這個投影片上面主委跟我們講這個什麼地方\n主委我想今年恆春建成邁入150週年我們過去也一直積極跟文化部我們也積極爭取恆春古城的一個修復跟整建文化部今年也特別編了3億多的經費目前這個案子是送到我們工程會再進行審查不曉得主委知道這個案子嗎\n就是基本設計的審查是不是目前審查的進度好那目前的進度是還在計畫寫審就是他會送國安會之前會請各機關表示意見那工程會在寫審當中目前在進行中\n主委因為我過去我也跟著我們潘孟安縣長我們也在縣政府服務那我們都很關心這個恆春古城的一個整個整建的因為這是我們現在不像台灣保留最完整的一個古城牆我們也希望能夠做一個未來對一個觀光發展的一個整建之後對觀光發展有一個很正面的注意我想我們李一德副主委我們過去\n在縣府同事的時候我們都一直在努力做這個事情那但是因為現在考量到整個工程的經費還有這個城牆有些緊鄰私人地的一些問題所以變成這個工程的確實有一些難度存在那所以文化部我們接觸到文化部的\n他們在規劃設計上有要採取一個分段發包的一個策略我個人是覺得這樣分段發包會讓整個恆春的這個市鎮的周邊會變成長期的一個工地化的一個現象或是反而會影響到交通跟一個混光的一個發展那主委這部分依你的尊嚴有沒有辦法協助做怎麼樣的一個規劃可以讓工程能夠一次到位一次來做處理\n這部分我們是請李德副主委來跟文化部來會商看用什麼方式既能夠完成這個修復然後也避免這個同時間周圍都在進行工地施工的狀況工地化的一個狀況那李副主委在屏東待過嘛所以我請李德副主委來跟文化部來協商副主委那我們就找個時間我們約大家一起來討論一下好不好好\n因為古城的部分還有面臨一個問題就是我們很多身上的朋友以過去古城是有階梯的一個狀況被人家推掉這樣子的一個\n銜接的一個波度又很陡所以造成這個有些做爐膩的朋友,他想要站在街上有一些困難點那如果針對這樣的一個行動不便的長者或是爐膩族的部分像這樣的一個設施部分,主委能不能提供什麼樣的建議來做改善是,是粒子建築吧\n那肯定古蹟那我可能要尊重文化部的意見整個修復的設計整個都會有文化部的神意\n好 那我們也會來理解啦 來跟文化部看看有沒有可能做這樣的設施那這樣設施會不會有沒有違反原來它國定普及的相關的規定文字法裡面有些是規定的因格對 所以就是因為有困難所以才要請主委用個想辦法 看怎麼來協助啦好像請理副主委一併這個讓我們的長者還是一些腎臟的朋友也能夠\n趁現在看一看整個高雄的情形主委我想我們現在大家也都很關心美國關稅的風暴經濟部這邊有宣布我們要擴大公共建設的投資從200億到2500億的增加維持GDP佔比跟去年水準相同主委你目前知道我們有哪些部會會進行擴大公共設施的規劃嗎\n經濟部的的設施是不是公共建設目前目前預算今年114年的法定預算已經審議了那這個是在還沒有關稅衝擊之前編訂的經過大院來審議所以各部僅能針對114年度的法定預算那麼去做施作\n並沒有特別的預算來增加擴大公共建設這件事情據我了解應該沒有沒有啦主委我想我們還是要回歸到我們現在目前的整個公共工程跟營進業這個缺工缺料的一個問題那目前依據我們國土署發布的一個營進業的一個經濟概況目前缺工的人數高達五萬三千人\n那一年增加四千多 將近四千三百人人數在增加主委 這沒有人 這工程是怎麼進行尤其我們自己在 看到我們像過去我一直在請主委幫忙尤其冰凍關我們有偏鄉有離島這個很多公共城的發包經費又要比其他的地方要更高才會在這裡衝上來那這個衝上來他們也擔心\n這都很多的一個結構性的一些問題那主委這邊有沒有什麼好的一個想法\n報告委員如果是公共工程的話有必要的話可以專案來協助那麼引進移工那另外呢工程會目前也跟考試院或其他大學在討論如何在偏鄉來協助培訓相關營建管理的人才跟大學合作落地取材\n就是比方說設在屏東或是在花蓮我們現在目前是東部是很缺東部很缺所以我們就是特別要跟大學合作那麼來讓大學招生他有學分班但公共工程委員會也會針對我們原來的課程培訓也會加進去那麼希望就地取材讓就地的\n居民他有這個一技之長然後投入當地的營建業或者相關的管理是我們目前在規劃這樣的事情是就陳儒剛剛我們有幾位委員特別提到包含過去我也接受過的代替像我們現在很多我們的住在屏東高雄的鄉親因科企分發到東部或到北部調不回來是因為\n我們台鐵的招考東部跟北部招考都不順利因為我們的新制結構的問題那我過去有跟他們溝通說就像主委剛剛提的你應該就東部或北部在地的主體去增加怎麼樣一個誘因讓他們可以科技留在那個地方做服務讓我們這個大家都能夠有機會可以調回自己的家鄉來做服務不然這因為這整個\n人力的結構掉來掉去都不是套路就跟這個狀況一樣沒有在地就地取材的這個培訓因為我們都面臨很多的問題包含剛剛講的縣政府的這個土木的少年給扣掉了幾十年兩年他有那個祭祀白他就給你處理開業了他不會想留在公家機關我們也都很擔心這樣一個問題的產生所以主委我想這個是我們未來要一起在努力的一個方向\n那最後我想就是針對未來這個營建工程的物價指數的調整的部分那我想我們也擔心許多的重大的公共建設的流標的情形越來越嚴重那我想這個部分是不是請主委我們在兩個月之內針對這樣的一個缺工缺料的部分給本市一個報告好不好 要怎麼來做改善好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.259 --> 00:29.934\n謝謝主席有請我們陳主委陳主委主委早主委我想今天我們交委會是審查祭司法我想這個是一個落實對這個性障礙族群的一個尊重那我們會來支持那不過今天還是有幾個我們實際面上的一些問題那來請教一下主委主委那個您看這個投影片上面主委跟我們講這個什麼地方\n\n00:37.423 --> 00:59.022\n主委我想今年恆春建成邁入150週年我們過去也一直積極跟文化部我們也積極爭取恆春古城的一個修復跟整建文化部今年也特別編了3億多的經費目前這個案子是送到我們工程會再進行審查不曉得主委知道這個案子嗎\n\n01:11.809 --> 01:31.177\n就是基本設計的審查是不是目前審查的進度好那目前的進度是還在計畫寫審就是他會送國安會之前會請各機關表示意見那工程會在寫審當中目前在進行中\n\n01:33.454 --> 01:53.886\n主委因為我過去我也跟著我們潘孟安縣長我們也在縣政府服務那我們都很關心這個恆春古城的一個整個整建的因為這是我們現在不像台灣保留最完整的一個古城牆我們也希望能夠做一個未來對一個觀光發展的一個整建之後對觀光發展有一個很正面的注意我想我們李一德副主委我們過去\n\n01:54.967 --> 02:11.554\n在縣府同事的時候我們都一直在努力做這個事情那但是因為現在考量到整個工程的經費還有這個城牆有些緊鄰私人地的一些問題所以變成這個工程的確實有一些難度存在那所以文化部我們接觸到文化部的\n\n02:12.514 --> 02:38.988\n他們在規劃設計上有要採取一個分段發包的一個策略我個人是覺得這樣分段發包會讓整個恆春的這個市鎮的周邊會變成長期的一個工地化的一個現象或是反而會影響到交通跟一個混光的一個發展那主委這部分依你的尊嚴有沒有辦法協助做怎麼樣的一個規劃可以讓工程能夠一次到位一次來做處理\n\n02:40.749 --> 03:09.201\n這部分我們是請李德副主委來跟文化部來會商看用什麼方式既能夠完成這個修復然後也避免這個同時間周圍都在進行工地施工的狀況工地化的一個狀況那李副主委在屏東待過嘛所以我請李德副主委來跟文化部來協商副主委那我們就找個時間我們約大家一起來討論一下好不好好\n\n03:12.243 --> 03:20.639\n因為古城的部分還有面臨一個問題就是我們很多身上的朋友以過去古城是有階梯的一個狀況被人家推掉這樣子的一個\n\n03:23.054 --> 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