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00:00:01,399\n好謝謝主席我們請次長好有請次長\n\n2\n00:00:08,632 --> 00:00:32,072\n委員早好次長早今天其實主要是想來跟次長來討論有關於我們世界遺產的一個從行銷從文化統戰這件事情來做一些討論就是說我們現在這幾年我們非常清楚的知道說中國其實一直不停的試圖用各個面向來去對世界說台灣是中國的對不對\n\n3\n00:00:32,472 --> 00:00:59,120\n因為這幾年這很多很多年來這是他們的敘事的方式其實我自己以前念書的時候或是我們碰到一些外國人的時候大家其實也並沒有辦法分得那麼清楚華人世界裡面台灣跟中國到底實質上的差別在哪裡所以我覺得其實世界文化我們這個世界遺產的潛力點就會是一個非常好的機會來去敘述我們兩者之間的差異透過文化的方式來讓大家更能夠去\n\n4\n00:00:59,580 --> 00:01:24,909\n通過大家來看這個文化遺產的這個方式來更了解那我們現在呢其實是有這18個潛力點那其實都有不同的一個文化標籤也都非常可以清楚的說明台灣跟中國不同的地方可是我發現我們好像在使用這18個遺產的時候呢並沒有很強化的來去做一些宣傳跟曝光就簡單來說\n\n5\n00:01:26,775 --> 00:01:48,980\n像我們這幾年其實是在做阿里山森林鐵路這好像是你們跟外交部之前開會的時候覺得這是一個非常有吸引力的一個景點所以呢這是你們強推的所以你們不僅有做一些宣傳啦然後你們也會開國際研討會等等去講這件事情那我覺得這當然我也非常的支持但是我覺得有一件現實還是要考量就是阿里山鐵路這件事情這兩年來雖然去年又\n\n6\n00:01:49,580 --> 00:02:01,790\n本來要開始恢復但是後來遇到颱風種種種種的狀況所以變成說我們可能吸引他來台灣他並沒有辦法真正的去這裡所以我們是不是有一些備案呢準備要來去接著上去呢有沒有\n\n7\n00:02:03,632 --> 00:02:24,939\n目前還沒有目前因為兩次那個推動會討論都是希望以阿里山森林鐵路當作一個主推的一個計劃因為他這個案子之所以會被選上是因為目前在日本還有澳洲還有歐洲都還有一些高山鐵路的存在或是自治型鐵路的存在他有一個跨國性的一個理解基本上我覺得這個這個\n\n8\n00:02:26,740 --> 00:02:44,671\n這個推廣阿里山森林鐵路我是沒有任何意見但是我覺得我們應該要準備來第二個備案就是說因為大家可能吸引了大家來可是事實上這個地方現在就是因為鐵路啊有時候一些狀況他就是沒有辦法去嘛所以我們是不是應該要準備一個第二個備案來去做更多的讓大家來的時候他是有機會可以去看見的對\n\n9\n00:02:46,912 --> 00:03:02,766\n部分我們也來進行一個討論選出後面的一個順序我覺得我們應該要來準備啦那這樣子的話大家來說除了阿里山不能來的話它至少還有個點它也可以去那因為我們的重點還是希望可以建立台灣跟中國的不同嘛所以再來就是說我們現在呢\n\n10\n00:03:05,424 --> 00:03:22,110\n我們可以看到這個是日本的世界文化遺產的網頁那其實日本針對他們自己的世界遺產宣傳不遺餘力然後拍出來的照片都非常之美那我自己會認為說世界文化遺產其實對於很多國家來說都把它當作一個文化觀光財\n\n11\n00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:39,385\n的定位所以呢我們來看看我們自己的部分這是我們自己我看我們選了我們其中的一個點我覺得我們的照片好像整個畫素也都沒有那麼有吸引力呈現上面我們的圖片好像也稍微都有一點小\n\n12\n00:03:40,526 --> 00:04:07,531\n這個可能在敘述上面次長懂我意思我們努力改善同仁是講說那個照片可以點開放大點開放大但是它其實跟這個比起來還是有落差我都有點開我們努力的學習然後我們的影音的畫素似乎也都有一點低因為好像我不太確定上次更新是什麼時候這些影片\n\n13\n00:04:08,931 --> 00:04:10,753\n照片更新是什麼時候啊?很多年前了如果我們今天要來做宣傳跟觀光的話我想照片是一個非常重要的重點那再接下一些細節就是說我們今天進去的時候呢市長就可以看到這就是點進去的大照片就長這樣子啦\n\n14\n00:04:38,260 --> 00:05:05,036\n吸引力還是有待加強但是我們這是日文介面可是我們右邊這邊怎麼會出現這個部分因為最近剛好也在改版當中所以一些版面都有一個不對稱或者是說點了英文版進去就後來又還是跳出都是中文字所以這個部分我們會改善所以這個部分我們現在是已經有在做這個在改版更新是的\n\n15\n00:05:05,456 --> 00:05:19,836\n喔那大概是什麼時候會更新完成呢是預計今年一定會完成今年年底是不是今年年今年年底嗎好的那我想這部分是不是也可以一併的來改善因為這是台灣的世界文化遺產我們怎麼放了一個金字塔\n\n16\n00:05:26,516 --> 00:05:53,612\n好抱歉這我們來改善因為我還是要再強調我一開始講的一個主題這個是我們台灣跟中國不同的地方我們一定要在這個畫面我們讓別人接觸到的這個這是我們唯一的網站啦坦白說啦這是我們唯一的網站我們應該要非常的確保它是呈現台灣世界文化遺產相關的資訊才對好那這個部分請次長還有文資局局長一定要確實的來去監督好嗎\n\n17\n00:05:56,223 --> 00:06:15,870\n可以嗎可以可以謝謝委員的指導那再來就是說聯合國教科文組織其實還有另外一個叫做世界非物質文化遺產的認證我們現在也有12項那我們接下來是否會開始針對這些非文化遺產的潛力名錄呢來去做一些盤點跟新增呢我們有沒有這個計畫\n\n18\n00:06:17,610 --> 00:06:36,012\n這個一直有在持續討論中像上一次的會議裡面談到的就是客家的部分是不是要納入客家八音那這個議題因為要納入他還是要有一個一定的程序這部分在上次的委員會裡面有委員提出了所以我們這個他還是多久會更新一次呢一般你們的規劃是\n\n19\n00:06:36,733 --> 00:06:59,985\n因為我們這個推動會大概都是一年會開兩次的會議每次在會議當中就會針對這些名錄或者是名錄的因為這個委員會就是要名錄的增加或者是排除除名都是在這個委員會裡面會去處理那你們會有一些相關的宣傳嗎因為非物質文化遺產如果沒有做任何的一些活動其實坦白來說它也很難讓人民有一些記憶\n\n20\n00:07:02,126 --> 00:07:27,113\n我們是有一些相關的宣傳計畫嗎並沒有專門針對非移的由文資局來主動做宣傳而是我們各項補助計畫出去的時候當然都希望他們能夠自己宣導可是委員的提醒我想我們也可以來努力研議一下看怎麼樣在經費中挪移去讓大家知道台灣的非移有哪些對我還是要回到重點嘛我們的差異在這裡啦好那再來就是說\n\n21\n00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:48,509\n因為其實我們今天做的這些所有事情都是會想要去強調我們的文化的一個差異那我希望就是說文化部接下來雖然面臨到了一些這個才化法的挑戰我們還是可能要來想辦法怎麼樣去支持那接下來當然還是要問到才化法\n\n22\n00:07:49,489 --> 00:08:10,538\n那才化法就是說因為我算了一下我們的文資預算預計將會跟114年相比新的才化法會少掉10.6億這是我目前的估算那我相信文化部應該自己已經有個心理有底的嘛那我想知道說因為我們雖然說現在我們主管的文化資產大部分都是古物對於地方通常都是\n\n23\n00:08:11,438 --> 00:08:19,504\n就是我們相關的預算只能優先用於文化部主管的一些文化資產那對於地方的一些補助可能就會受到影響我的理解是這樣這是正確的嗎\n\n24\n00:08:22,206 --> 00:08:49,740\n是的好那像最近我看到兩個新聞就是都在講說是地方其實有一些還帶預算修繕的文資像是這個湖口的中嘉園環搖然後還有這個龜山這個張腦寮協和專場這兩個地方其實都地方都說要跟中央來申請經費那我想要知道說接下來我們在地方的補助上面刷財化法的影響我們大概目前的一個因應做法會是什麼呢\n\n25\n00:08:51,789 --> 00:09:07,521\n跟委員做報告因為行政院那邊還沒有做最後的確認那只是先提醒了文化部有一個準則就是我們文資法本來在補助上面來講縣市政府負擔的比例是譬如說除了台北市是50以外\n\n26\n00:09:07,981 --> 00:09:22,517\n那其他的都是文資局這邊補助的上限大概70到90不等那可是因應財化法之後我們或許這個補助的比例必須要下降就是地方的自籌管必須要拉高因為這只是一個移轉就是\n\n27\n00:09:24,319 --> 00:09:45,407\n總經費應該還是在那裡那以前因為會撥到文字局文字局去發給然後地方只要配合百分之十到三十不等那未來的話就變成是我們要降低因為我們的金額會被拿走了所以我們降低我們的補助比例可是地方縣市政府他應該在他們拿到的透過財化法拿到的經費裡面他要自己補足拉高他的自籌款\n\n28\n00:09:46,127 --> 00:10:01,709\n那這樣的話對於文資的工作就不會有太大的影響所以這個前提就是地方政府要能夠體認到他們透過財化法拿到的經費裡頭他依然要適度的去加強我們這些地方文資的一個抱存\n\n29\n00:10:02,369 --> 00:10:23,481\n但是因為地方其實團體都有些擔心就是說我們雖然錢好像整包不變只是從中央到了地方但是地方到底會不會把錢放到文資的修繕這是大家非常擔心的所以其實事實上我們現在有任何的工具可以去監督地方拿走這筆錢之後確實的如果用在這些文資的修復我們有任何的工具可以來監督嗎\n\n30\n00:10:25,283 --> 00:10:51,465\n目前沒有目前是沒有嘛對不對所以我想喔因為最近大家非常關心我們的才化法拿走的這些錢到底會怎麼樣去使用那我還是要跟我們線上關心的一些公民團體來講今天這個錢呢之所以會造成我們到的地方可能沒辦法監督都還是因為國民黨跟民眾黨惡修了才化法造成了這些古物文物文資的一些我們的建物呢可能沒有辦法得到修繕\n\n31\n00:10:52,426 --> 00:10:59,135\n好這個我希望大家還是要搞清楚冤有頭債有主今天造成這個結果的就是國民黨跟民眾黨謝謝好謝謝謝謝張雅玲委員次長請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n90\t1399\t好 謝謝主席 我們請次長好 有請次長\n8632\t32072\t委員早好 次長早今天其實主要是想來跟次長來討論有關於我們世界遺產的一個從行銷 從文化統戰這件事情來做一些討論就是說我們現在這幾年我們非常清楚的知道說中國其實一直不停的試圖用各個面向來去對世界說台灣是中國的 對不對\n32472\t59120\t因為這幾年 這很多很多年來這是他們的敘事的方式其實我自己以前念書的時候或是我們碰到一些外國人的時候大家其實也並沒有辦法分得那麼清楚華人世界裡面台灣跟中國到底實質上的差別在哪裡所以我覺得其實世界文化我們這個世界遺產的潛力點就會是一個非常好的機會來去敘述我們兩者之間的差異透過文化的方式來讓大家更能夠去\n59580\t84909\t通過大家來看這個文化遺產的這個方式來更了解那我們現在呢其實是有這18個潛力點那其實都有不同的一個文化標籤也都非常可以清楚的說明台灣跟中國不同的地方可是我發現我們好像在使用這18個遺產的時候呢並沒有很強化的來去做一些宣傳跟曝光就簡單來說\n86775\t108980\t像我們這幾年其實是在做阿里山森林鐵路這好像是你們跟外交部之前開會的時候覺得這是一個非常有吸引力的一個景點所以呢這是你們強推的所以你們不僅有做一些宣傳啦然後你們也會開國際研討會等等去講這件事情那我覺得這當然我也非常的支持但是我覺得有一件現實還是要考量就是阿里山鐵路這件事情這兩年來雖然去年又\n109580\t121790\t本來要開始恢復但是後來遇到颱風種種種種的狀況所以變成說我們可能吸引他來台灣他並沒有辦法真正的去這裡所以我們是不是有一些備案呢準備要來去接著上去呢有沒有\n123632\t144939\t目前還沒有 目前因為兩次那個推動會討論都是希望以阿里山森林鐵路當作一個主推的一個計劃因為他這個案子之所以會被選上是因為目前在日本還有澳洲還有歐洲都還有一些高山鐵路的存在或是自治型鐵路的存在他有一個跨國性的一個理解基本上我覺得這個這個\n146740\t164671\t這個推廣阿里山森林鐵路我是沒有任何意見但是我覺得我們應該要準備來第二個備案就是說因為大家可能吸引了大家來可是事實上這個地方現在就是因為鐵路啊有時候一些狀況他就是沒有辦法去嘛所以我們是不是應該要準備一個第二個備案來去做更多的讓大家來的時候他是有機會可以去看見的對\n166912\t182766\t部分我們也來進行一個討論選出後面的一個順序我覺得我們應該要來準備啦那這樣子的話大家來說除了阿里山不能來的話它至少還有個點它也可以去那因為我們的重點還是希望可以建立台灣跟中國的不同嘛所以再來就是說我們現在呢\n185424\t202110\t我們可以看到這個是日本的世界文化遺產的網頁那其實日本針對他們自己的世界遺產宣傳不遺餘力然後拍出來的照片都非常之美那我自己會認為說世界文化遺產其實對於很多國家來說都把它當作一個文化觀光財\n203490\t219385\t的定位所以呢我們來看看我們自己的部分這是我們自己我看我們選了我們其中的一個點我覺得我們的照片好像整個畫素也都沒有那麼有吸引力呈現上面我們的圖片好像也稍微都有一點小\n220526\t247531\t這個可能在敘述上面次長懂我意思我們努力改善同仁是講說那個照片可以點開放大點開放大但是它其實跟這個比起來還是有落差我都有點開我們努力的學習然後我們的影音的畫素似乎也都有一點低因為好像我不太確定上次更新是什麼時候這些影片\n248931\t250753\t照片更新是什麼時候啊?很多年前了如果我們今天要來做宣傳跟觀光的話我想照片是一個非常重要的重點那再接下一些細節就是說我們今天進去的時候呢市長就可以看到這就是點進去的大照片就長這樣子啦\n278260\t305036\t吸引力還是有待加強但是我們這是日文介面可是我們右邊這邊怎麼會出現這個部分因為最近剛好也在改版當中所以一些版面都有一個不對稱或者是說點了英文版進去就後來又還是跳出都是中文字所以這個部分我們會改善所以這個部分我們現在是已經有在做這個在改版更新是的\n305456\t319836\t喔 那大概是什麼時候會更新完成呢是預計今年一定會完成今年年底是不是今年年 今年年底嗎好的 那我想這部分是不是也可以一併的來改善因為這是台灣的世界文化遺產我們怎麼放了一個金字塔\n326516\t353612\t好 抱歉 這我們來改善因為我還是要再強調我一開始講的一個主題這個是我們台灣跟中國不同的地方我們一定要在這個畫面我們讓別人接觸到的這個這是我們唯一的網站啦 坦白說啦這是我們唯一的網站我們應該要非常的確保它是呈現台灣世界文化遺產相關的資訊才對好 那這個部分請次長還有文資局局長一定要確實的來去監督 好嗎\n356223\t375870\t可以嗎可以可以謝謝委員的指導那再來就是說聯合國教科文組織其實還有另外一個叫做世界非物質文化遺產的認證我們現在也有12項那我們接下來是否會開始針對這些非文化遺產的潛力名錄呢來去做一些盤點跟新增呢我們有沒有這個計畫\n377610\t396012\t這個一直有在持續討論中像上一次的會議裡面談到的就是客家的部分是不是要納入客家八音那這個議題因為要納入他還是要有一個一定的程序這部分在上次的委員會裡面有委員提出了所以我們這個他還是多久會更新一次呢一般你們的規劃是\n396733\t419985\t因為我們這個推動會大概都是一年會開兩次的會議每次在會議當中就會針對這些名錄或者是名錄的因為這個委員會就是要名錄的增加或者是排除除名都是在這個委員會裡面會去處理那你們會有一些相關的宣傳嗎因為非物質文化遺產如果沒有做任何的一些活動其實坦白來說它也很難讓人民有一些記憶\n422126\t447113\t我們是有一些相關的宣傳計畫嗎並沒有專門針對非移的由文資局來主動做宣傳而是我們各項補助計畫出去的時候當然都希望他們能夠自己宣導可是委員的提醒我想我們也可以來努力研議一下看怎麼樣在經費中挪移去讓大家知道台灣的非移有哪些對 我還是要回到重點嘛我們的差異在這裡啦好 那再來就是說\n448720\t468509\t因為其實我們今天做的這些所有事情都是會想要去強調我們的文化的一個差異那我希望就是說文化部接下來雖然面臨到了一些這個才化法的挑戰我們還是可能要來想辦法怎麼樣去支持那接下來當然還是要問到才化法\n469489\t490538\t那才化法就是說因為我算了一下我們的文資預算預計將會跟114年相比新的才化法會少掉10.6億這是我目前的估算那我相信文化部應該自己已經有個心理有底的嘛那我想知道說因為我們雖然說現在我們主管的文化資產大部分都是古物對於地方通常都是\n491438\t499504\t就是我們相關的預算只能優先用於文化部主管的一些文化資產那對於地方的一些補助可能就會受到影響我的理解是這樣這是正確的嗎\n502206\t529740\t是的 好 那像最近我看到兩個新聞就是都在講說是地方其實有一些還帶預算修繕的文資像是這個湖口的中嘉園環搖然後還有這個龜山這個張腦寮協和專場這兩個地方其實都 地方都說要跟中央來申請經費那我想要知道說接下來我們在地方的補助上面刷財化法的影響我們大概目前的一個因應做法會是什麼呢\n531789\t547521\t跟委員做報告因為行政院那邊還沒有做最後的確認那只是先提醒了文化部有一個準則就是我們文資法本來在補助上面來講縣市政府負擔的比例是譬如說除了台北市是50以外\n547981\t562517\t那其他的都是文資局這邊補助的上限大概70到90不等那可是因應財化法之後我們或許這個補助的比例必須要下降就是地方的自籌管必須要拉高因為這只是一個移轉就是\n564319\t585407\t總經費應該還是在那裡那以前因為會撥到文字局文字局去發給然後地方只要配合百分之十到三十不等那未來的話就變成是我們要降低因為我們的金額會被拿走了所以我們降低我們的補助比例可是地方縣市政府他應該在他們拿到的透過財化法拿到的經費裡面他要自己補足拉高他的自籌款\n586127\t601709\t那這樣的話對於文資的工作就不會有太大的影響所以這個前提就是地方政府要能夠體認到他們透過財化法拿到的經費裡頭他依然要適度的去加強我們這些地方文資的一個抱存\n602369\t623481\t但是因為地方其實團體都有些擔心就是說我們雖然錢好像整包不變只是從中央到了地方但是地方到底會不會把錢放到文資的修繕這是大家非常擔心的所以其實事實上我們現在有任何的工具可以去監督地方拿走這筆錢之後確實的如果用在這些文資的修復我們有任何的工具可以來監督嗎\n625283\t651465\t目前沒有目前是沒有嘛 對不對所以我想喔因為最近大家非常關心我們的才化法拿走的這些錢到底會怎麼樣去使用那我還是要跟我們線上關心的一些公民團體來講今天這個錢呢之所以會造成我們到的地方可能沒辦法監督都還是因為國民黨跟民眾黨惡修了才化法造成了這些古物 文物 文資的一些我們的建物呢可能沒有辦法得到修繕\n652426\t659135\t好 這個我希望大家還是要搞清楚 冤有頭債有主今天造成這個結果的就是國民黨跟民眾黨 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝張雅玲委員 次長請\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請次長好 有請次長\n委員早好 次長早今天其實主要是想來跟次長來討論有關於我們世界遺產的一個從行銷 從文化統戰這件事情來做一些討論就是說我們現在這幾年我們非常清楚的知道說中國其實一直不停的試圖用各個面向來去對世界說台灣是中國的 對不對\n因為這幾年 這很多很多年來這是他們的敘事的方式其實我自己以前念書的時候或是我們碰到一些外國人的時候大家其實也並沒有辦法分得那麼清楚華人世界裡面台灣跟中國到底實質上的差別在哪裡所以我覺得其實世界文化我們這個世界遺產的潛力點就會是一個非常好的機會來去敘述我們兩者之間的差異透過文化的方式來讓大家更能夠去\n通過大家來看這個文化遺產的這個方式來更了解那我們現在呢其實是有這18個潛力點那其實都有不同的一個文化標籤也都非常可以清楚的說明台灣跟中國不同的地方可是我發現我們好像在使用這18個遺產的時候呢並沒有很強化的來去做一些宣傳跟曝光就簡單來說\n像我們這幾年其實是在做阿里山森林鐵路這好像是你們跟外交部之前開會的時候覺得這是一個非常有吸引力的一個景點所以呢這是你們強推的所以你們不僅有做一些宣傳啦然後你們也會開國際研討會等等去講這件事情那我覺得這當然我也非常的支持但是我覺得有一件現實還是要考量就是阿里山鐵路這件事情這兩年來雖然去年又\n本來要開始恢復但是後來遇到颱風種種種種的狀況所以變成說我們可能吸引他來台灣他並沒有辦法真正的去這裡所以我們是不是有一些備案呢準備要來去接著上去呢有沒有\n目前還沒有 目前因為兩次那個推動會討論都是希望以阿里山森林鐵路當作一個主推的一個計劃因為他這個案子之所以會被選上是因為目前在日本還有澳洲還有歐洲都還有一些高山鐵路的存在或是自治型鐵路的存在他有一個跨國性的一個理解基本上我覺得這個這個\n這個推廣阿里山森林鐵路我是沒有任何意見但是我覺得我們應該要準備來第二個備案就是說因為大家可能吸引了大家來可是事實上這個地方現在就是因為鐵路啊有時候一些狀況他就是沒有辦法去嘛所以我們是不是應該要準備一個第二個備案來去做更多的讓大家來的時候他是有機會可以去看見的對\n部分我們也來進行一個討論選出後面的一個順序我覺得我們應該要來準備啦那這樣子的話大家來說除了阿里山不能來的話它至少還有個點它也可以去那因為我們的重點還是希望可以建立台灣跟中國的不同嘛所以再來就是說我們現在呢\n我們可以看到這個是日本的世界文化遺產的網頁那其實日本針對他們自己的世界遺產宣傳不遺餘力然後拍出來的照片都非常之美那我自己會認為說世界文化遺產其實對於很多國家來說都把它當作一個文化觀光財\n的定位所以呢我們來看看我們自己的部分這是我們自己我看我們選了我們其中的一個點我覺得我們的照片好像整個畫素也都沒有那麼有吸引力呈現上面我們的圖片好像也稍微都有一點小\n這個可能在敘述上面次長懂我意思我們努力改善同仁是講說那個照片可以點開放大點開放大但是它其實跟這個比起來還是有落差我都有點開我們努力的學習然後我們的影音的畫素似乎也都有一點低因為好像我不太確定上次更新是什麼時候這些影片\n照片更新是什麼時候啊?很多年前了如果我們今天要來做宣傳跟觀光的話我想照片是一個非常重要的重點那再接下一些細節就是說我們今天進去的時候呢市長就可以看到這就是點進去的大照片就長這樣子啦\n吸引力還是有待加強但是我們這是日文介面可是我們右邊這邊怎麼會出現這個部分因為最近剛好也在改版當中所以一些版面都有一個不對稱或者是說點了英文版進去就後來又還是跳出都是中文字所以這個部分我們會改善所以這個部分我們現在是已經有在做這個在改版更新是的\n喔 那大概是什麼時候會更新完成呢是預計今年一定會完成今年年底是不是今年年 今年年底嗎好的 那我想這部分是不是也可以一併的來改善因為這是台灣的世界文化遺產我們怎麼放了一個金字塔\n好 抱歉 這我們來改善因為我還是要再強調我一開始講的一個主題這個是我們台灣跟中國不同的地方我們一定要在這個畫面我們讓別人接觸到的這個這是我們唯一的網站啦 坦白說啦這是我們唯一的網站我們應該要非常的確保它是呈現台灣世界文化遺產相關的資訊才對好 那這個部分請次長還有文資局局長一定要確實的來去監督 好嗎\n可以嗎可以可以謝謝委員的指導那再來就是說聯合國教科文組織其實還有另外一個叫做世界非物質文化遺產的認證我們現在也有12項那我們接下來是否會開始針對這些非文化遺產的潛力名錄呢來去做一些盤點跟新增呢我們有沒有這個計畫\n這個一直有在持續討論中像上一次的會議裡面談到的就是客家的部分是不是要納入客家八音那這個議題因為要納入他還是要有一個一定的程序這部分在上次的委員會裡面有委員提出了所以我們這個他還是多久會更新一次呢一般你們的規劃是\n因為我們這個推動會大概都是一年會開兩次的會議每次在會議當中就會針對這些名錄或者是名錄的因為這個委員會就是要名錄的增加或者是排除除名都是在這個委員會裡面會去處理那你們會有一些相關的宣傳嗎因為非物質文化遺產如果沒有做任何的一些活動其實坦白來說它也很難讓人民有一些記憶\n我們是有一些相關的宣傳計畫嗎並沒有專門針對非移的由文資局來主動做宣傳而是我們各項補助計畫出去的時候當然都希望他們能夠自己宣導可是委員的提醒我想我們也可以來努力研議一下看怎麼樣在經費中挪移去讓大家知道台灣的非移有哪些對 我還是要回到重點嘛我們的差異在這裡啦好 那再來就是說\n因為其實我們今天做的這些所有事情都是會想要去強調我們的文化的一個差異那我希望就是說文化部接下來雖然面臨到了一些這個才化法的挑戰我們還是可能要來想辦法怎麼樣去支持那接下來當然還是要問到才化法\n那才化法就是說因為我算了一下我們的文資預算預計將會跟114年相比新的才化法會少掉10.6億這是我目前的估算那我相信文化部應該自己已經有個心理有底的嘛那我想知道說因為我們雖然說現在我們主管的文化資產大部分都是古物對於地方通常都是\n就是我們相關的預算只能優先用於文化部主管的一些文化資產那對於地方的一些補助可能就會受到影響我的理解是這樣這是正確的嗎\n是的 好 那像最近我看到兩個新聞就是都在講說是地方其實有一些還帶預算修繕的文資像是這個湖口的中嘉園環搖然後還有這個龜山這個張腦寮協和專場這兩個地方其實都 地方都說要跟中央來申請經費那我想要知道說接下來我們在地方的補助上面刷財化法的影響我們大概目前的一個因應做法會是什麼呢\n跟委員做報告因為行政院那邊還沒有做最後的確認那只是先提醒了文化部有一個準則就是我們文資法本來在補助上面來講縣市政府負擔的比例是譬如說除了台北市是50以外\n那其他的都是文資局這邊補助的上限大概70到90不等那可是因應財化法之後我們或許這個補助的比例必須要下降就是地方的自籌管必須要拉高因為這只是一個移轉就是\n總經費應該還是在那裡那以前因為會撥到文字局文字局去發給然後地方只要配合百分之十到三十不等那未來的話就變成是我們要降低因為我們的金額會被拿走了所以我們降低我們的補助比例可是地方縣市政府他應該在他們拿到的透過財化法拿到的經費裡面他要自己補足拉高他的自籌款\n那這樣的話對於文資的工作就不會有太大的影響所以這個前提就是地方政府要能夠體認到他們透過財化法拿到的經費裡頭他依然要適度的去加強我們這些地方文資的一個抱存\n但是因為地方其實團體都有些擔心就是說我們雖然錢好像整包不變只是從中央到了地方但是地方到底會不會把錢放到文資的修繕這是大家非常擔心的所以其實事實上我們現在有任何的工具可以去監督地方拿走這筆錢之後確實的如果用在這些文資的修復我們有任何的工具可以來監督嗎\n目前沒有目前是沒有嘛 對不對所以我想喔因為最近大家非常關心我們的才化法拿走的這些錢到底會怎麼樣去使用那我還是要跟我們線上關心的一些公民團體來講今天這個錢呢之所以會造成我們到的地方可能沒辦法監督都還是因為國民黨跟民眾黨惡修了才化法造成了這些古物 文物 文資的一些我們的建物呢可能沒有辦法得到修繕\n好 這個我希望大家還是要搞清楚 冤有頭債有主今天造成這個結果的就是國民黨跟民眾黨 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝張雅玲委員 次長請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.090 --> 00:01.399\n好謝謝主席我們請次長好有請次長\n\n00:08.632 --> 00:32.072\n委員早好次長早今天其實主要是想來跟次長來討論有關於我們世界遺產的一個從行銷從文化統戰這件事情來做一些討論就是說我們現在這幾年我們非常清楚的知道說中國其實一直不停的試圖用各個面向來去對世界說台灣是中國的對不對\n\n00:32.472 --> 00:59.120\n因為這幾年這很多很多年來這是他們的敘事的方式其實我自己以前念書的時候或是我們碰到一些外國人的時候大家其實也並沒有辦法分得那麼清楚華人世界裡面台灣跟中國到底實質上的差別在哪裡所以我覺得其實世界文化我們這個世界遺產的潛力點就會是一個非常好的機會來去敘述我們兩者之間的差異透過文化的方式來讓大家更能夠去\n\n00:59.580 --> 01:24.909\n通過大家來看這個文化遺產的這個方式來更了解那我們現在呢其實是有這18個潛力點那其實都有不同的一個文化標籤也都非常可以清楚的說明台灣跟中國不同的地方可是我發現我們好像在使用這18個遺產的時候呢並沒有很強化的來去做一些宣傳跟曝光就簡單來說\n\n01:26.775 --> 01:48.980\n像我們這幾年其實是在做阿里山森林鐵路這好像是你們跟外交部之前開會的時候覺得這是一個非常有吸引力的一個景點所以呢這是你們強推的所以你們不僅有做一些宣傳啦然後你們也會開國際研討會等等去講這件事情那我覺得這當然我也非常的支持但是我覺得有一件現實還是要考量就是阿里山鐵路這件事情這兩年來雖然去年又\n\n01:49.580 --> 02:01.790\n本來要開始恢復但是後來遇到颱風種種種種的狀況所以變成說我們可能吸引他來台灣他並沒有辦法真正的去這裡所以我們是不是有一些備案呢準備要來去接著上去呢有沒有\n\n02:03.632 --> 02:24.939\n目前還沒有目前因為兩次那個推動會討論都是希望以阿里山森林鐵路當作一個主推的一個計劃因為他這個案子之所以會被選上是因為目前在日本還有澳洲還有歐洲都還有一些高山鐵路的存在或是自治型鐵路的存在他有一個跨國性的一個理解基本上我覺得這個這個\n\n02:26.740 --> 02:44.671\n這個推廣阿里山森林鐵路我是沒有任何意見但是我覺得我們應該要準備來第二個備案就是說因為大家可能吸引了大家來可是事實上這個地方現在就是因為鐵路啊有時候一些狀況他就是沒有辦法去嘛所以我們是不是應該要準備一個第二個備案來去做更多的讓大家來的時候他是有機會可以去看見的對\n\n02:46.912 --> 03:02.766\n部分我們也來進行一個討論選出後面的一個順序我覺得我們應該要來準備啦那這樣子的話大家來說除了阿里山不能來的話它至少還有個點它也可以去那因為我們的重點還是希望可以建立台灣跟中國的不同嘛所以再來就是說我們現在呢\n\n03:05.424 --> 03:22.110\n我們可以看到這個是日本的世界文化遺產的網頁那其實日本針對他們自己的世界遺產宣傳不遺餘力然後拍出來的照片都非常之美那我自己會認為說世界文化遺產其實對於很多國家來說都把它當作一個文化觀光財\n\n03:23.490 --> 03:39.385\n的定位所以呢我們來看看我們自己的部分這是我們自己我看我們選了我們其中的一個點我覺得我們的照片好像整個畫素也都沒有那麼有吸引力呈現上面我們的圖片好像也稍微都有一點小\n\n03:40.526 --> 04:07.531\n這個可能在敘述上面次長懂我意思我們努力改善同仁是講說那個照片可以點開放大點開放大但是它其實跟這個比起來還是有落差我都有點開我們努力的學習然後我們的影音的畫素似乎也都有一點低因為好像我不太確定上次更新是什麼時候這些影片\n\n04:08.931 --> 04:10.753\n照片更新是什麼時候啊?很多年前了如果我們今天要來做宣傳跟觀光的話我想照片是一個非常重要的重點那再接下一些細節就是說我們今天進去的時候呢市長就可以看到這就是點進去的大照片就長這樣子啦\n\n04:38.260 --> 05:05.036\n吸引力還是有待加強但是我們這是日文介面可是我們右邊這邊怎麼會出現這個部分因為最近剛好也在改版當中所以一些版面都有一個不對稱或者是說點了英文版進去就後來又還是跳出都是中文字所以這個部分我們會改善所以這個部分我們現在是已經有在做這個在改版更新是的\n\n05:05.456 --> 05:19.836\n喔那大概是什麼時候會更新完成呢是預計今年一定會完成今年年底是不是今年年今年年底嗎好的那我想這部分是不是也可以一併的來改善因為這是台灣的世界文化遺產我們怎麼放了一個金字塔\n\n05:26.516 --> 05:53.612\n好抱歉這我們來改善因為我還是要再強調我一開始講的一個主題這個是我們台灣跟中國不同的地方我們一定要在這個畫面我們讓別人接觸到的這個這是我們唯一的網站啦坦白說啦這是我們唯一的網站我們應該要非常的確保它是呈現台灣世界文化遺產相關的資訊才對好那這個部分請次長還有文資局局長一定要確實的來去監督好嗎\n\n05:56.223 --> 06:15.870\n可以嗎可以可以謝謝委員的指導那再來就是說聯合國教科文組織其實還有另外一個叫做世界非物質文化遺產的認證我們現在也有12項那我們接下來是否會開始針對這些非文化遺產的潛力名錄呢來去做一些盤點跟新增呢我們有沒有這個計畫\n\n06:17.610 --> 06:36.012\n這個一直有在持續討論中像上一次的會議裡面談到的就是客家的部分是不是要納入客家八音那這個議題因為要納入他還是要有一個一定的程序這部分在上次的委員會裡面有委員提出了所以我們這個他還是多久會更新一次呢一般你們的規劃是\n\n06:36.733 --> 06:59.985\n因為我們這個推動會大概都是一年會開兩次的會議每次在會議當中就會針對這些名錄或者是名錄的因為這個委員會就是要名錄的增加或者是排除除名都是在這個委員會裡面會去處理那你們會有一些相關的宣傳嗎因為非物質文化遺產如果沒有做任何的一些活動其實坦白來說它也很難讓人民有一些記憶\n\n07:02.126 --> 07:27.113\n我們是有一些相關的宣傳計畫嗎並沒有專門針對非移的由文資局來主動做宣傳而是我們各項補助計畫出去的時候當然都希望他們能夠自己宣導可是委員的提醒我想我們也可以來努力研議一下看怎麼樣在經費中挪移去讓大家知道台灣的非移有哪些對我還是要回到重點嘛我們的差異在這裡啦好那再來就是說\n\n07:28.720 --> 07:48.509\n因為其實我們今天做的這些所有事情都是會想要去強調我們的文化的一個差異那我希望就是說文化部接下來雖然面臨到了一些這個才化法的挑戰我們還是可能要來想辦法怎麼樣去支持那接下來當然還是要問到才化法\n\n07:49.489 --> 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地方都說要跟中央來申請經費那我想要知道說接下來我們在地方的補助上面刷財化法的影響我們大概目前的一個因應做法會是什麼呢"},{"start":531.789,"end":547.521,"text":"跟委員做報告因為行政院那邊還沒有做最後的確認那只是先提醒了文化部有一個準則就是我們文資法本來在補助上面來講縣市政府負擔的比例是譬如說除了台北市是50以外"},{"start":547.981,"end":562.517,"text":"那其他的都是文資局這邊補助的上限大概70到90不等那可是因應財化法之後我們或許這個補助的比例必須要下降就是地方的自籌管必須要拉高因為這只是一個移轉就是"},{"start":564.319,"end":585.407,"text":"總經費應該還是在那裡那以前因為會撥到文字局文字局去發給然後地方只要配合百分之十到三十不等那未來的話就變成是我們要降低因為我們的金額會被拿走了所以我們降低我們的補助比例可是地方縣市政府他應該在他們拿到的透過財化法拿到的經費裡面他要自己補足拉高他的自籌款"},{"start":586.127,"end":601.709,"text":"那這樣的話對於文資的工作就不會有太大的影響所以這個前提就是地方政府要能夠體認到他們透過財化法拿到的經費裡頭他依然要適度的去加強我們這些地方文資的一個抱存"},{"start":602.369,"end":623.481,"text":"但是因為地方其實團體都有些擔心就是說我們雖然錢好像整包不變只是從中央到了地方但是地方到底會不會把錢放到文資的修繕這是大家非常擔心的所以其實事實上我們現在有任何的工具可以去監督地方拿走這筆錢之後確實的如果用在這些文資的修復我們有任何的工具可以來監督嗎"},{"start":625.283,"end":651.465,"text":"目前沒有目前是沒有嘛 對不對所以我想喔因為最近大家非常關心我們的才化法拿走的這些錢到底會怎麼樣去使用那我還是要跟我們線上關心的一些公民團體來講今天這個錢呢之所以會造成我們到的地方可能沒辦法監督都還是因為國民黨跟民眾黨惡修了才化法造成了這些古物 文物 文資的一些我們的建物呢可能沒有辦法得到修繕"},{"start":652.426,"end":659.135,"text":"好 這個我希望大家還是要搞清楚 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