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00:01:02,960\n其實立法委員我們也真的要自我檢視我們恐怕往往成為造成公務部門同仁身心靈壓力很大的一個厄緣我們希望問政大家都能夠專業理性然後一起來彼此尊重那今天回到我們的主題下一頁\n\n4\n00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:13,908\n我在整理資訊的時候我赫然發現考選部有一個統計從2014到2024這10年來公務人員報考的人數從354308位一直下降到2014年只剩下166000位來報考等於是10年報考公務人員的人數遭腰斬所以鐵飯碗不再熱門鐵飯碗不再是鐵飯碗了嗎\n\n5\n00:01:33,021 --> 00:01:48,919\n那考試員有沒有觀察到這樣子的狀況跟委員報告就是說的確有這樣的一個狀況那也跟委員說明就是大概公務員報考人數他如果長期來看的話大概在民國100年左右是一個高峰前面比較低後面也比較低\n\n6\n00:01:49,660 --> 00:02:06,285\n但是現在當然有各種因素包含少子化包含民間的就業機會增加因為經濟發展的狀況民間薪資的誘因等等選擇也更多了有更多的選擇所以的確有這樣的現象我們也有一直在注意跟觀察但我們還是需要下一頁\n\n7\n00:02:07,285 --> 00:02:31,924\n持續的招募人才而且要留住人才再加上打造一個友善的職場缺一不可這就是我們在面對我們無論如何我們看到台灣的人才多元願意往私部門服務也都是好事但是我們也希望能夠有更多有志於公眾事務的朋友們願意投入公務體系的工作那這幾年來我們留財攬財友善職場做了很多\n\n8\n00:02:37,288 --> 00:02:56,711\n加薪減壓打造職場的更friendly這個缺一不可那我特別要肯定賴清德總統提出來的6年50億的全民心理健康任性計畫要強化支持現在公務體系的EAP的支持方案我們要持續做下一頁\n\n9\n00:02:57,532 --> 00:03:21,220\n而加薪我們這幾年來從蔡總統到賴總統四度為公務體系加薪加薪14%反觀馬英九前總統只加薪了一次3%那現在因為立法院在刪減總預算以至於我們的薪水加薪3%今年遭到延宕目前應當都陸續發放了吧應當是嗎人事總署點頭好\n\n10\n00:03:26,209 --> 00:03:41,383\n那加薪14%我們如果經濟發展好稅收增加我們持續的為公務同仁來增加薪水增加大家投入公務體系的誘因下一頁好剛剛講的加薪之外第二個就是減壓\n\n11\n00:03:42,924 --> 00:03:56,593\n那我也在利用這一次的機會我謝謝考試院謝謝全序部思堯一路倡議的公務體系的新理假從校園然後開始延伸到公務體系你們現在正在修正請假規則嗎\n\n12\n00:03:59,637 --> 00:04:22,985\n好我做出提醒我谢谢你们回应了我的倡议现在给予公务体系的身心调试假公务同仁是每年三日我支持但是在公务人员请假规则第三条的第三项我希望你们再回去听一下因为你们现在这个条文的写法是意思是说还是先去请试假啦\n\n13\n00:04:24,025 --> 00:04:47,886\n然後呢如果市價請滿了那身心價再來說啦好像還是這個方向我非常在乎的是身心調適價它不是只是一個價可以放幾天是我們國家藉由這個價別能夠去掌握公務體系的同仁們我們可以follow可以追蹤誰去請了身心調適價可能他的家庭他的情感\n\n14\n00:04:51,008 --> 00:05:05,204\n他的交友狀況或是工作壓力產生了我們需要協助的部分所以在請假規則第三條第三項的部分是不是可以請詮釋從詮釋部再思考斟酌一下好嗎\n\n15\n00:05:05,805 --> 00:05:29,391\n跟委員報告就是說我們基本上請升薪假是不需要要先請其他假作為前提但是因為委員您剛剛這樣講就是說我想您的質詢我們去檢視一下那文字會不會產生這個問題謝謝您我們會去再看一下會不會產生誤解否則一般就會覺得它是一個最後最後然後請滿了之後再額外我想這個意義上就不對了好嗎我們對於升薪調適的支持\n\n16\n00:05:32,532 --> 00:05:59,375\n反映在你們的請假規則的修訂好我都尊重也感謝但希望能夠做到更好不要為德不足好下一頁那今天的主題就是霸凌防治的三支箭今天我希望保障法可以快速的大家有共識能夠送出委員會那之後還有考機法針對霸凌加害者這個記過的這些懲處是第二關考機法什麼時候可以送\n\n17\n00:06:00,282 --> 00:06:14,781\n我們已經送了已經送了好那希望我們下週中瑞雄招委可以儘速來排審那安慰辦法其實是整個公務體系的霸凌防治的執行面向都在安慰辦法目前的進度\n\n18\n00:06:15,562 --> 00:06:23,288\n行政院會選送回來考試院應該在昨天送回來所以目標7月1號應該沒有問題嗎目標我們目前暫定應該定於7月1號發布因為也公告一段時間我也希望立法院的委員們我們這麼投入霸凌防治在公務體系如果對於安慰辦法有任何具體的建議都可以在這段時間趕快提供給我們的考試部門能夠有正向的意見就採納\n\n19\n00:06:42,082 --> 00:07:05,641\n那基本上缺一不可保障法烤雞法安慰辦法我們都希望在這個會期七月底之前都能夠完備這是我們共同的目標下一頁萬事起頭難再難也要做五大面向的保障法民進黨團包括吳斯堯本人我都全力支持我都全力支持下一頁但是呢有幾個問題垂詢一下\n\n20\n00:07:07,623 --> 00:07:27,941\n霸凌防護補破網人力的量能要補足啊以後保訓會你的責任重大一個是人才一個是人力我先講人力喔你們保訓會的員額有沒有因應新的霸凌防治保障法的修訂之後因為你們要大量的投入員額有沒有給你們\n\n21\n00:07:30,182 --> 00:07:40,765\n跟委員報告不夠的人力跟委員報告謝謝委員這麼關心這個很重要的這個量能問題那我們之前有去這個跟\n\n22\n00:07:42,054 --> 00:08:10,008\n人事總署有去跟人事總署蘇仁市長提這個問題我們也有給了一個很合理的暫時提出你們也不敢自己大開口嗎要多一點因為現在是給你們幾個給我們幾個希望爭取幾位因為我們自己也盤點我們內部有一些同仁本來就是具勞動背景\n\n23\n00:08:11,068 --> 00:08:34,474\n所以呢再加上我們的處也會我們先行整併啦這是一般機關在申請原額的時候一定要做的所以呢經過盤點以後呢我們是去跟這個蘇仁市長說我們希望能夠有這個20位但是當然這個是我們很理想的狀態所以呢當然蘇仁市長他基於這個中央原額基準法還有要恪守這個立法院\n\n24\n00:08:35,875 --> 00:08:53,056\n對於員額的這個控管嘛這是立法院過去以前的決議所以他目前給了我們覺得現階段我們剛開始上路應該是可以啦先給十位進員額十位先求有再求好十位這是有關人力的部分\n\n25\n00:08:53,797 --> 00:09:19,497\n那我覺得以後如果上路之後可能大家也在這個制度的運行更有經驗可能人力的量能那一來可能是大家上手了人力可能不需要那麼多但也有可能因為相關的案例暴增顯現更需要人力我們都希望人事總署可以來支持那第二個是人才因為我們都要建置很多的專家委員會要增加霸凌防制的專業人才你的專家學者資料庫要協助各級政府各公務機關你們怎麼進行公文報告\n\n26\n00:09:22,959 --> 00:09:35,886\n就是目前我們已經有在鑽你那個人就是專家學者人才庫的設置要點那這個部分呢我們也會去這個跟\n\n27\n00:09:36,792 --> 00:10:00,014\n教育部衛福部還有勞動部因為他們本來也有一些專業的部份其實校園也很多對就是校園霸凌的部份所以這是主要三大部會他們的人才庫已經有建置而且是建置得很完整那我們會去跟他們請益同時因為這當中很多的專家學者他的性質是一樣的\n\n28\n00:10:00,815 --> 00:10:16,947\n所以我們會藉由這個部分然後跨部會來協力所以人力是重要人才是重要的這才能夠讓真正的執行能夠穩健然後最後剛剛我聽到夏業最後希望說今天委員會能夠來支持民進黨團會提出幾個修正動議\n\n29\n00:10:19,449 --> 00:10:31,037\n第一個修正動議就是回應剛剛審發會委員一直在垂詢的要明定應負責人員的定義要來落實明確性所以說民進黨團會提出是9條之一第二項對於所謂的應負責人員細指機關首長或於該工作場所中代表機關首長實質執行管理\n\n30\n00:10:41,744 --> 00:10:44,386\n指揮或監督公務人員執行職務之人好盡可能用這個條文來補強讓他更明確第二個呢第102條第三項在申訴適用的範圍也要明確化也希望委員會能夠支持民進黨團的修正動力好最後一頁\n\n31\n00:10:57,916 --> 00:11:00,277\n那針對整個安全衛生事故審議小組的這個建制民進黨團提出兩個修正動議一個是授權給保訓會去訂定相關的規範針對後續的審任採取的原則審閱的程序跟組成由保訓會定之我希望在條文裡頭增列這個讓你們好做事有法源那19條之二的第三項呢\n\n32\n00:11:23,283 --> 00:11:25,644\n強化調查權跟裁法權也就是未來你們要去強化真的要走到公務機關去進行這個反霸凌的防治也就是所謂的檢查檢查工作要落實我希望能夠入法這個部分我想我們考試院應該都支持吧\n\n33\n00:11:42,829 --> 00:11:57,680\n協助你們把法更完備好最後有一點點這個心聲想要表達一下我跟培餘過去都是在教育文化委員會思堯是從2016年上任我們優先從校園法辦反霸凌上手\n\n34\n00:11:58,420 --> 00:12:17,361\n因為我們非常的遺憾校園的霸凌事件平仁當我們檢視了法規才發現校園欠缺反霸凌的處理的機制所以我們循過去在校園建制這個性騷性侵害相關的性平\n\n35\n00:12:18,682 --> 00:12:45,965\n機制的整個制度的運作我們好不容易好不容易在校園催生了全國一體試用各級學校的校園反霸凌防治準則這是我們努力從2016大概努力到前兩年剛剛完備但是也有人在倡議校園是不需要反霸凌的專法但這個恐怕如果\n\n36\n00:12:47,443 --> 00:13:15,303\n如果要等一個反霸凌的專法才能夠去執行校園的反霸凌那恐怕要等很久的時間所以我們都compromise先用一個霸凌防治準則在校園那同樣的在公務體系因為一個遺憾的事件讓我們更正視了公務體系要能夠有明確的公務體系反霸凌的作為那我絕對支持從保障法先行\n\n37\n00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:36,034\n保障法先行,也許有人認為要一個專法,或有人認為要適用職安法,跟私部門一起管理,但是那就是賣戶期啦,那就是我們要抓漏,再來搞都更,先抓漏,所以我希望今天朝野各黨都能夠有高度的共識,讓\n\n38\n00:13:37,495 --> 00:14:01,705\n保障法今天完成審議我也希望不需要送協商也不需要去表決我們可以理性的正向的來討論法案然後讓他在這個會期完成立法趕快上路讓公務體系反霸凌可以做得更好好建新秘書長身體健康一切平安這是對您的提醒也是對我自己的提醒我們下次一起吃完早餐再上工好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10011\t23349\t好 謝謝主席建信秘書長 你現在狀況真的要保重身體喔真的 平常忙於公務也要關心自己的健康真的很不捨 我們剛剛都嚇壞了\n25391\t42169\t你應該也要沒有吃早餐的我也沒吃早餐會貧血我們要吃點早餐再上工那今天我們在討論職場反霸凌而且是公務體系的法制化事實上如果要問我們的公務體系而且有來立法院備詢的\n43610\t62960\t其實立法委員我們也真的要自我檢視我們恐怕往往成為造成公務部門同仁身心靈壓力很大的一個厄緣我們希望問政大家都能夠專業理性然後一起來彼此尊重那今天回到我們的主題下一頁\n63880\t73908\t我在整理資訊的時候我赫然發現考選部有一個統計從2014到2024這10年來公務人員報考的人數從354308位一直下降到2014年只剩下166000位來報考等於是10年報考公務人員的人數遭腰斬所以鐵飯碗不再熱門鐵飯碗不再是鐵飯碗了嗎\n93021\t108919\t那考試員有沒有觀察到這樣子的狀況跟委員報告就是說的確有這樣的一個狀況那也跟委員說明就是大概公務員報考人數他如果長期來看的話大概在民國100年左右是一個高峰前面比較低後面也比較低\n109660\t126285\t但是現在當然有各種因素包含少子化包含民間的就業機會增加因為經濟發展的狀況民間薪資的誘因等等選擇也更多了有更多的選擇所以的確有這樣的現象我們也有一直在注意跟觀察但我們還是需要下一頁\n127285\t151924\t持續的招募人才而且要留住人才再加上打造一個友善的職場缺一不可這就是我們在面對我們無論如何我們看到台灣的人才多元願意往私部門服務也都是好事但是我們也希望能夠有更多有志於公眾事務的朋友們願意投入公務體系的工作那這幾年來我們留財攬財友善職場做了很多\n157288\t176711\t加薪 減壓 打造職場的更friendly這個缺一不可那我特別要肯定賴清德總統提出來的6年50億的全民心理健康任性計畫要強化支持現在公務體系的EAP的支持方案我們要持續做 下一頁\n177532\t201220\t而加薪我們這幾年來從蔡總統到賴總統四度為公務體系加薪加薪14%反觀馬英九前總統只加薪了一次3%那現在因為立法院在刪減總預算以至於我們的薪水加薪3%今年遭到延宕目前應當都陸續發放了吧應當是嗎 人事總署點頭 好\n206209\t221383\t那加薪14%我們如果經濟發展好稅收增加我們持續的為公務同仁來增加薪水增加大家投入公務體系的誘因下一頁好剛剛講的加薪之外第二個就是減壓\n222924\t236593\t那我也在利用這一次的機會我謝謝考試院謝謝全序部思堯一路倡議的公務體系的新理假從校園然後開始延伸到公務體系你們現在正在修正請假規則嗎\n239637\t262985\t好我做出提醒我谢谢你们回应了我的倡议现在给予公务体系的身心调试假公务同仁是每年三日我支持但是在公务人员请假规则第三条的第三项我希望你们再回去听一下因为你们现在这个条文的写法是意思是说还是先去请试假啦\n264025\t287886\t然後呢如果市價請滿了那身心價再來說啦好像還是這個方向我非常在乎的是身心調適價它不是只是一個價可以放幾天是我們國家藉由這個價別能夠去掌握公務體系的同仁們我們可以follow可以追蹤誰去請了身心調適價可能他的家庭他的情感\n291008\t305204\t他的交友狀況或是工作壓力產生了我們需要協助的部分所以在請假規則第三條第三項的部分是不是可以請詮釋從詮釋部再思考斟酌一下好嗎\n305805\t329391\t跟委員報告就是說我們基本上請升薪假是不需要要先請其他假作為前提但是因為委員您剛剛這樣講就是說我想您的質詢我們去檢視一下那文字會不會產生這個問題謝謝您我們會去再看一下會不會產生誤解否則一般就會覺得它是一個最後最後然後請滿了之後再額外我想這個意義上就不對了好嗎我們對於升薪調適的支持\n332532\t359375\t反映在你們的請假規則的修訂好我都尊重也感謝但希望能夠做到更好不要為德不足好下一頁那今天的主題就是霸凌防治的三支箭今天我希望保障法可以快速的大家有共識能夠送出委員會那之後還有考機法針對霸凌加害者這個記過的這些懲處是第二關考機法什麼時候可以送\n360282\t374781\t我們已經送了已經送了好那希望我們下週中瑞雄招委可以儘速來排審那安慰辦法其實是整個公務體系的霸凌防治的執行面向都在安慰辦法目前的進度\n375562\t383288\t行政院會選送回來考試院應該在昨天送回來所以目標7月1號應該沒有問題嗎目標我們目前暫定應該定於7月1號發布因為也公告一段時間我也希望立法院的委員們我們這麼投入霸凌防治在公務體系如果對於安慰辦法有任何具體的建議都可以在這段時間趕快提供給我們的考試部門能夠有正向的意見就採納\n402082\t425641\t那基本上缺一不可 保障法 烤雞法 安慰辦法我們都希望在這個會期七月底之前 都能夠完備這是我們共同的目標 下一頁萬事起頭難 再難也要做五大面向的保障法 民進黨團 包括吳斯堯本人我都全力支持 我都全力支持 下一頁但是呢 有幾個問題垂詢一下\n427623\t447941\t霸凌防護補破網人力的量能要補足啊以後保訓會你的責任重大一個是人才一個是人力我先講人力喔你們保訓會的員額有沒有因應新的霸凌防治保障法的修訂之後因為你們要大量的投入員額有沒有給你們\n450182\t460765\t跟委員報告 不夠的人力跟委員報告 謝謝委員這麼關心這個很重要的這個量能問題那我們之前有去這個跟\n462054\t490008\t人事總署有去跟人事總署蘇仁市長提這個問題我們也有給了一個很合理的暫時提出你們也不敢自己大開口嗎要多一點 因為現在是給你們幾個給我們幾個希望爭取幾位因為我們自己也盤點我們內部有一些同仁本來就是具勞動背景\n491068\t514474\t所以呢再加上我們的處也會我們先行整併啦這是一般機關在申請原額的時候一定要做的所以呢經過盤點以後呢我們是去跟這個蘇仁市長說我們希望能夠有這個20位但是當然這個是我們很理想的狀態所以呢當然蘇仁市長他基於這個中央原額基準法還有要恪守這個立法院\n515875\t533056\t對於員額的這個控管嘛這是立法院過去以前的決議所以他目前給了我們覺得現階段我們剛開始上路應該是可以啦先給十位 進員額十位先求有再求好 十位這是有關人力的部分\n533797\t559497\t那我覺得以後如果上路之後可能大家也在這個制度的運行更有經驗可能人力的量能那一來可能是大家上手了人力可能不需要那麼多但也有可能因為相關的案例暴增顯現更需要人力我們都希望人事總署可以來支持那第二個是人才因為我們都要建置很多的專家委員會要增加霸凌防制的專業人才你的專家學者資料庫要協助各級政府各公務機關你們怎麼進行公文報告\n562959\t575886\t就是目前我們已經有在鑽你那個人就是專家學者人才庫的設置要點那這個部分呢我們也會去這個跟\n576792\t600014\t教育部 衛福部 還有勞動部因為他們本來也有一些專業的部份其實校園也很多對 就是校園霸凌的部份所以這是主要三大部會他們的人才庫已經有建置而且是建置得很完整那我們會去跟他們請益同時因為這當中很多的專家學者他的性質是一樣的\n600815\t616947\t所以我們會藉由這個部分然後跨部會來協力所以人力是重要人才是重要的這才能夠讓真正的執行能夠穩健然後最後剛剛我聽到夏業最後希望說今天委員會能夠來支持民進黨團會提出幾個修正動議\n619449\t631037\t第一個修正動議就是回應剛剛審發會委員一直在垂詢的要明定應負責人員的定義要來落實明確性所以說民進黨團會提出是9條之一第二項對於所謂的應負責人員細指機關首長或於該工作場所中代表機關首長實質執行管理\n641744\t644386\t指揮或監督公務人員執行職務之人好盡可能用這個條文來補強讓他更明確第二個呢第102條第三項在申訴適用的範圍也要明確化也希望委員會能夠支持民進黨團的修正動力好最後一頁\n657916\t660277\t那針對整個安全衛生事故審議小組的這個建制民進黨團提出兩個修正動議一個是授權給保訓會去訂定相關的規範針對後續的審任採取的原則審閱的程序跟組成由保訓會定之我希望在條文裡頭增列這個讓你們好做事有法源那19條之二的第三項呢\n683283\t685644\t強化調查權跟裁法權也就是未來你們要去強化真的要走到公務機關去進行這個反霸凌的防治也就是所謂的檢查檢查工作要落實我希望能夠入法這個部分我想我們考試院應該都支持吧\n702829\t717680\t協助你們把法更完備好最後有一點點這個心聲想要表達一下我跟培餘過去都是在教育文化委員會思堯是從2016年上任我們優先從校園法辦反霸凌上手\n718420\t737361\t因為我們非常的遺憾校園的霸凌事件平仁當我們檢視了法規才發現校園欠缺反霸凌的處理的機制所以我們循過去在校園建制這個性騷性侵害相關的性平\n738682\t765965\t機制的整個制度的運作我們好不容易好不容易在校園催生了全國一體試用各級學校的校園反霸凌防治準則這是我們努力從2016大概努力到前兩年剛剛完備但是也有人在倡議校園是不需要反霸凌的專法但這個恐怕如果\n767443\t795303\t如果要等一個反霸凌的專法才能夠去執行校園的反霸凌那恐怕要等很久的時間所以我們都compromise先用一個霸凌防治準則在校園那同樣的在公務體系因為一個遺憾的事件讓我們更正視了公務體系要能夠有明確的公務體系反霸凌的作為那我絕對支持從保障法先行\n796400\t816034\t保障法先行,也許有人認為要一個專法,或有人認為要適用職安法,跟私部門一起管理,但是那就是賣戶期啦,那就是我們要抓漏,再來搞都更,先抓漏,所以我希望今天朝野各黨都能夠有高度的共識,讓\n817495\t841705\t保障法今天完成審議我也希望不需要送協商也不需要去表決我們可以理性的正向的來討論法案然後讓他在這個會期完成立法趕快上路讓公務體系反霸凌可以做得更好好 建新秘書長身體健康一切平安這是對您的提醒也是對我自己的提醒我們下次一起吃完早餐再上工好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席建信秘書長 你現在狀況真的要保重身體喔真的 平常忙於公務也要關心自己的健康真的很不捨 我們剛剛都嚇壞了\n你應該也要沒有吃早餐的我也沒吃早餐會貧血我們要吃點早餐再上工那今天我們在討論職場反霸凌而且是公務體系的法制化事實上如果要問我們的公務體系而且有來立法院備詢的\n其實立法委員我們也真的要自我檢視我們恐怕往往成為造成公務部門同仁身心靈壓力很大的一個厄緣我們希望問政大家都能夠專業理性然後一起來彼此尊重那今天回到我們的主題下一頁\n我在整理資訊的時候我赫然發現考選部有一個統計從2014到2024這10年來公務人員報考的人數從354308位一直下降到2014年只剩下166000位來報考等於是10年報考公務人員的人數遭腰斬所以鐵飯碗不再熱門鐵飯碗不再是鐵飯碗了嗎\n那考試員有沒有觀察到這樣子的狀況跟委員報告就是說的確有這樣的一個狀況那也跟委員說明就是大概公務員報考人數他如果長期來看的話大概在民國100年左右是一個高峰前面比較低後面也比較低\n但是現在當然有各種因素包含少子化包含民間的就業機會增加因為經濟發展的狀況民間薪資的誘因等等選擇也更多了有更多的選擇所以的確有這樣的現象我們也有一直在注意跟觀察但我們還是需要下一頁\n持續的招募人才而且要留住人才再加上打造一個友善的職場缺一不可這就是我們在面對我們無論如何我們看到台灣的人才多元願意往私部門服務也都是好事但是我們也希望能夠有更多有志於公眾事務的朋友們願意投入公務體系的工作那這幾年來我們留財攬財友善職場做了很多\n加薪 減壓 打造職場的更friendly這個缺一不可那我特別要肯定賴清德總統提出來的6年50億的全民心理健康任性計畫要強化支持現在公務體系的EAP的支持方案我們要持續做 下一頁\n而加薪我們這幾年來從蔡總統到賴總統四度為公務體系加薪加薪14%反觀馬英九前總統只加薪了一次3%那現在因為立法院在刪減總預算以至於我們的薪水加薪3%今年遭到延宕目前應當都陸續發放了吧應當是嗎 人事總署點頭 好\n那加薪14%我們如果經濟發展好稅收增加我們持續的為公務同仁來增加薪水增加大家投入公務體系的誘因下一頁好剛剛講的加薪之外第二個就是減壓\n那我也在利用這一次的機會我謝謝考試院謝謝全序部思堯一路倡議的公務體系的新理假從校園然後開始延伸到公務體系你們現在正在修正請假規則嗎\n好我做出提醒我谢谢你们回应了我的倡议现在给予公务体系的身心调试假公务同仁是每年三日我支持但是在公务人员请假规则第三条的第三项我希望你们再回去听一下因为你们现在这个条文的写法是意思是说还是先去请试假啦\n然後呢如果市價請滿了那身心價再來說啦好像還是這個方向我非常在乎的是身心調適價它不是只是一個價可以放幾天是我們國家藉由這個價別能夠去掌握公務體系的同仁們我們可以follow可以追蹤誰去請了身心調適價可能他的家庭他的情感\n他的交友狀況或是工作壓力產生了我們需要協助的部分所以在請假規則第三條第三項的部分是不是可以請詮釋從詮釋部再思考斟酌一下好嗎\n跟委員報告就是說我們基本上請升薪假是不需要要先請其他假作為前提但是因為委員您剛剛這樣講就是說我想您的質詢我們去檢視一下那文字會不會產生這個問題謝謝您我們會去再看一下會不會產生誤解否則一般就會覺得它是一個最後最後然後請滿了之後再額外我想這個意義上就不對了好嗎我們對於升薪調適的支持\n反映在你們的請假規則的修訂好我都尊重也感謝但希望能夠做到更好不要為德不足好下一頁那今天的主題就是霸凌防治的三支箭今天我希望保障法可以快速的大家有共識能夠送出委員會那之後還有考機法針對霸凌加害者這個記過的這些懲處是第二關考機法什麼時候可以送\n我們已經送了已經送了好那希望我們下週中瑞雄招委可以儘速來排審那安慰辦法其實是整個公務體系的霸凌防治的執行面向都在安慰辦法目前的進度\n行政院會選送回來考試院應該在昨天送回來所以目標7月1號應該沒有問題嗎目標我們目前暫定應該定於7月1號發布因為也公告一段時間我也希望立法院的委員們我們這麼投入霸凌防治在公務體系如果對於安慰辦法有任何具體的建議都可以在這段時間趕快提供給我們的考試部門能夠有正向的意見就採納\n那基本上缺一不可 保障法 烤雞法 安慰辦法我們都希望在這個會期七月底之前 都能夠完備這是我們共同的目標 下一頁萬事起頭難 再難也要做五大面向的保障法 民進黨團 包括吳斯堯本人我都全力支持 我都全力支持 下一頁但是呢 有幾個問題垂詢一下\n霸凌防護補破網人力的量能要補足啊以後保訓會你的責任重大一個是人才一個是人力我先講人力喔你們保訓會的員額有沒有因應新的霸凌防治保障法的修訂之後因為你們要大量的投入員額有沒有給你們\n跟委員報告 不夠的人力跟委員報告 謝謝委員這麼關心這個很重要的這個量能問題那我們之前有去這個跟\n人事總署有去跟人事總署蘇仁市長提這個問題我們也有給了一個很合理的暫時提出你們也不敢自己大開口嗎要多一點 因為現在是給你們幾個給我們幾個希望爭取幾位因為我們自己也盤點我們內部有一些同仁本來就是具勞動背景\n所以呢再加上我們的處也會我們先行整併啦這是一般機關在申請原額的時候一定要做的所以呢經過盤點以後呢我們是去跟這個蘇仁市長說我們希望能夠有這個20位但是當然這個是我們很理想的狀態所以呢當然蘇仁市長他基於這個中央原額基準法還有要恪守這個立法院\n對於員額的這個控管嘛這是立法院過去以前的決議所以他目前給了我們覺得現階段我們剛開始上路應該是可以啦先給十位 進員額十位先求有再求好 十位這是有關人力的部分\n那我覺得以後如果上路之後可能大家也在這個制度的運行更有經驗可能人力的量能那一來可能是大家上手了人力可能不需要那麼多但也有可能因為相關的案例暴增顯現更需要人力我們都希望人事總署可以來支持那第二個是人才因為我們都要建置很多的專家委員會要增加霸凌防制的專業人才你的專家學者資料庫要協助各級政府各公務機關你們怎麼進行公文報告\n就是目前我們已經有在鑽你那個人就是專家學者人才庫的設置要點那這個部分呢我們也會去這個跟\n教育部 衛福部 還有勞動部因為他們本來也有一些專業的部份其實校園也很多對 就是校園霸凌的部份所以這是主要三大部會他們的人才庫已經有建置而且是建置得很完整那我們會去跟他們請益同時因為這當中很多的專家學者他的性質是一樣的\n所以我們會藉由這個部分然後跨部會來協力所以人力是重要人才是重要的這才能夠讓真正的執行能夠穩健然後最後剛剛我聽到夏業最後希望說今天委員會能夠來支持民進黨團會提出幾個修正動議\n第一個修正動議就是回應剛剛審發會委員一直在垂詢的要明定應負責人員的定義要來落實明確性所以說民進黨團會提出是9條之一第二項對於所謂的應負責人員細指機關首長或於該工作場所中代表機關首長實質執行管理\n指揮或監督公務人員執行職務之人好盡可能用這個條文來補強讓他更明確第二個呢第102條第三項在申訴適用的範圍也要明確化也希望委員會能夠支持民進黨團的修正動力好最後一頁\n那針對整個安全衛生事故審議小組的這個建制民進黨團提出兩個修正動議一個是授權給保訓會去訂定相關的規範針對後續的審任採取的原則審閱的程序跟組成由保訓會定之我希望在條文裡頭增列這個讓你們好做事有法源那19條之二的第三項呢\n強化調查權跟裁法權也就是未來你們要去強化真的要走到公務機關去進行這個反霸凌的防治也就是所謂的檢查檢查工作要落實我希望能夠入法這個部分我想我們考試院應該都支持吧\n協助你們把法更完備好最後有一點點這個心聲想要表達一下我跟培餘過去都是在教育文化委員會思堯是從2016年上任我們優先從校園法辦反霸凌上手\n因為我們非常的遺憾校園的霸凌事件平仁當我們檢視了法規才發現校園欠缺反霸凌的處理的機制所以我們循過去在校園建制這個性騷性侵害相關的性平\n機制的整個制度的運作我們好不容易好不容易在校園催生了全國一體試用各級學校的校園反霸凌防治準則這是我們努力從2016大概努力到前兩年剛剛完備但是也有人在倡議校園是不需要反霸凌的專法但這個恐怕如果\n如果要等一個反霸凌的專法才能夠去執行校園的反霸凌那恐怕要等很久的時間所以我們都compromise先用一個霸凌防治準則在校園那同樣的在公務體系因為一個遺憾的事件讓我們更正視了公務體系要能夠有明確的公務體系反霸凌的作為那我絕對支持從保障法先行\n保障法先行,也許有人認為要一個專法,或有人認為要適用職安法,跟私部門一起管理,但是那就是賣戶期啦,那就是我們要抓漏,再來搞都更,先抓漏,所以我希望今天朝野各黨都能夠有高度的共識,讓\n保障法今天完成審議我也希望不需要送協商也不需要去表決我們可以理性的正向的來討論法案然後讓他在這個會期完成立法趕快上路讓公務體系反霸凌可以做得更好好 建新秘書長身體健康一切平安這是對您的提醒也是對我自己的提醒我們下次一起吃完早餐再上工好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.011 --> 00:23.349\n好謝謝主席建信秘書長你現在狀況真的要保重身體喔真的平常忙於公務也要關心自己的健康真的很不捨我們剛剛都嚇壞了\n\n00:25.391 --> 00:42.169\n你應該也要沒有吃早餐的我也沒吃早餐會貧血我們要吃點早餐再上工那今天我們在討論職場反霸凌而且是公務體系的法制化事實上如果要問我們的公務體系而且有來立法院備詢的\n\n00:43.610 --> 01:02.960\n其實立法委員我們也真的要自我檢視我們恐怕往往成為造成公務部門同仁身心靈壓力很大的一個厄緣我們希望問政大家都能夠專業理性然後一起來彼此尊重那今天回到我們的主題下一頁\n\n01:03.880 --> 01:13.908\n我在整理資訊的時候我赫然發現考選部有一個統計從2014到2024這10年來公務人員報考的人數從354308位一直下降到2014年只剩下166000位來報考等於是10年報考公務人員的人數遭腰斬所以鐵飯碗不再熱門鐵飯碗不再是鐵飯碗了嗎\n\n01:33.021 --> 01:48.919\n那考試員有沒有觀察到這樣子的狀況跟委員報告就是說的確有這樣的一個狀況那也跟委員說明就是大概公務員報考人數他如果長期來看的話大概在民國100年左右是一個高峰前面比較低後面也比較低\n\n01:49.660 --> 02:06.285\n但是現在當然有各種因素包含少子化包含民間的就業機會增加因為經濟發展的狀況民間薪資的誘因等等選擇也更多了有更多的選擇所以的確有這樣的現象我們也有一直在注意跟觀察但我們還是需要下一頁\n\n02:07.285 --> 02:31.924\n持續的招募人才而且要留住人才再加上打造一個友善的職場缺一不可這就是我們在面對我們無論如何我們看到台灣的人才多元願意往私部門服務也都是好事但是我們也希望能夠有更多有志於公眾事務的朋友們願意投入公務體系的工作那這幾年來我們留財攬財友善職場做了很多\n\n02:37.288 --> 02:56.711\n加薪減壓打造職場的更friendly這個缺一不可那我特別要肯定賴清德總統提出來的6年50億的全民心理健康任性計畫要強化支持現在公務體系的EAP的支持方案我們要持續做下一頁\n\n02:57.532 --> 03:21.220\n而加薪我們這幾年來從蔡總統到賴總統四度為公務體系加薪加薪14%反觀馬英九前總統只加薪了一次3%那現在因為立法院在刪減總預算以至於我們的薪水加薪3%今年遭到延宕目前應當都陸續發放了吧應當是嗎人事總署點頭好\n\n03:26.209 --> 03:41.383\n那加薪14%我們如果經濟發展好稅收增加我們持續的為公務同仁來增加薪水增加大家投入公務體系的誘因下一頁好剛剛講的加薪之外第二個就是減壓\n\n03:42.924 --> 03:56.593\n那我也在利用這一次的機會我謝謝考試院謝謝全序部思堯一路倡議的公務體系的新理假從校園然後開始延伸到公務體系你們現在正在修正請假規則嗎\n\n03:59.637 --> 04:22.985\n好我做出提醒我谢谢你们回应了我的倡议现在给予公务体系的身心调试假公务同仁是每年三日我支持但是在公务人员请假规则第三条的第三项我希望你们再回去听一下因为你们现在这个条文的写法是意思是说还是先去请试假啦\n\n04:24.025 --> 04:47.886\n然後呢如果市價請滿了那身心價再來說啦好像還是這個方向我非常在乎的是身心調適價它不是只是一個價可以放幾天是我們國家藉由這個價別能夠去掌握公務體系的同仁們我們可以follow可以追蹤誰去請了身心調適價可能他的家庭他的情感\n\n04:51.008 --> 05:05.204\n他的交友狀況或是工作壓力產生了我們需要協助的部分所以在請假規則第三條第三項的部分是不是可以請詮釋從詮釋部再思考斟酌一下好嗎\n\n05:05.805 --> 05:29.391\n跟委員報告就是說我們基本上請升薪假是不需要要先請其他假作為前提但是因為委員您剛剛這樣講就是說我想您的質詢我們去檢視一下那文字會不會產生這個問題謝謝您我們會去再看一下會不會產生誤解否則一般就會覺得它是一個最後最後然後請滿了之後再額外我想這個意義上就不對了好嗎我們對於升薪調適的支持\n\n05:32.532 --> 05:59.375\n反映在你們的請假規則的修訂好我都尊重也感謝但希望能夠做到更好不要為德不足好下一頁那今天的主題就是霸凌防治的三支箭今天我希望保障法可以快速的大家有共識能夠送出委員會那之後還有考機法針對霸凌加害者這個記過的這些懲處是第二關考機法什麼時候可以送\n\n06:00.282 --> 06:14.781\n我們已經送了已經送了好那希望我們下週中瑞雄招委可以儘速來排審那安慰辦法其實是整個公務體系的霸凌防治的執行面向都在安慰辦法目前的進度\n\n06:15.562 --> 06:23.288\n行政院會選送回來考試院應該在昨天送回來所以目標7月1號應該沒有問題嗎目標我們目前暫定應該定於7月1號發布因為也公告一段時間我也希望立法院的委員們我們這麼投入霸凌防治在公務體系如果對於安慰辦法有任何具體的建議都可以在這段時間趕快提供給我們的考試部門能夠有正向的意見就採納\n\n06:42.082 --> 07:05.641\n那基本上缺一不可保障法烤雞法安慰辦法我們都希望在這個會期七月底之前都能夠完備這是我們共同的目標下一頁萬事起頭難再難也要做五大面向的保障法民進黨團包括吳斯堯本人我都全力支持我都全力支持下一頁但是呢有幾個問題垂詢一下\n\n07:07.623 --> 07:27.941\n霸凌防護補破網人力的量能要補足啊以後保訓會你的責任重大一個是人才一個是人力我先講人力喔你們保訓會的員額有沒有因應新的霸凌防治保障法的修訂之後因為你們要大量的投入員額有沒有給你們\n\n07:30.182 --> 07:40.765\n跟委員報告不夠的人力跟委員報告謝謝委員這麼關心這個很重要的這個量能問題那我們之前有去這個跟\n\n07:42.054 --> 08:10.008\n人事總署有去跟人事總署蘇仁市長提這個問題我們也有給了一個很合理的暫時提出你們也不敢自己大開口嗎要多一點因為現在是給你們幾個給我們幾個希望爭取幾位因為我們自己也盤點我們內部有一些同仁本來就是具勞動背景\n\n08:11.068 --> 08:34.474\n所以呢再加上我們的處也會我們先行整併啦這是一般機關在申請原額的時候一定要做的所以呢經過盤點以後呢我們是去跟這個蘇仁市長說我們希望能夠有這個20位但是當然這個是我們很理想的狀態所以呢當然蘇仁市長他基於這個中央原額基準法還有要恪守這個立法院\n\n08:35.875 --> 08:53.056\n對於員額的這個控管嘛這是立法院過去以前的決議所以他目前給了我們覺得現階段我們剛開始上路應該是可以啦先給十位進員額十位先求有再求好十位這是有關人力的部分\n\n08:53.797 --> 09:19.497\n那我覺得以後如果上路之後可能大家也在這個制度的運行更有經驗可能人力的量能那一來可能是大家上手了人力可能不需要那麼多但也有可能因為相關的案例暴增顯現更需要人力我們都希望人事總署可以來支持那第二個是人才因為我們都要建置很多的專家委員會要增加霸凌防制的專業人才你的專家學者資料庫要協助各級政府各公務機關你們怎麼進行公文報告\n\n09:22.959 --> 09:35.886\n就是目前我們已經有在鑽你那個人就是專家學者人才庫的設置要點那這個部分呢我們也會去這個跟\n\n09:36.792 --> 10:00.014\n教育部衛福部還有勞動部因為他們本來也有一些專業的部份其實校園也很多對就是校園霸凌的部份所以這是主要三大部會他們的人才庫已經有建置而且是建置得很完整那我們會去跟他們請益同時因為這當中很多的專家學者他的性質是一樣的\n\n10:00.815 --> 10:16.947\n所以我們會藉由這個部分然後跨部會來協力所以人力是重要人才是重要的這才能夠讓真正的執行能夠穩健然後最後剛剛我聽到夏業最後希望說今天委員會能夠來支持民進黨團會提出幾個修正動議\n\n10:19.449 --> 10:31.037\n第一個修正動議就是回應剛剛審發會委員一直在垂詢的要明定應負責人員的定義要來落實明確性所以說民進黨團會提出是9條之一第二項對於所謂的應負責人員細指機關首長或於該工作場所中代表機關首長實質執行管理\n\n10:41.744 --> 10:44.386\n指揮或監督公務人員執行職務之人好盡可能用這個條文來補強讓他更明確第二個呢第102條第三項在申訴適用的範圍也要明確化也希望委員會能夠支持民進黨團的修正動力好最後一頁\n\n10:57.916 --> 11:00.277\n那針對整個安全衛生事故審議小組的這個建制民進黨團提出兩個修正動議一個是授權給保訓會去訂定相關的規範針對後續的審任採取的原則審閱的程序跟組成由保訓會定之我希望在條文裡頭增列這個讓你們好做事有法源那19條之二的第三項呢\n\n11:23.283 --> 11:25.644\n強化調查權跟裁法權也就是未來你們要去強化真的要走到公務機關去進行這個反霸凌的防治也就是所謂的檢查檢查工作要落實我希望能夠入法這個部分我想我們考試院應該都支持吧\n\n11:42.829 --> 11:57.680\n協助你們把法更完備好最後有一點點這個心聲想要表達一下我跟培餘過去都是在教育文化委員會思堯是從2016年上任我們優先從校園法辦反霸凌上手\n\n11:58.420 --> 12:17.361\n因為我們非常的遺憾校園的霸凌事件平仁當我們檢視了法規才發現校園欠缺反霸凌的處理的機制所以我們循過去在校園建制這個性騷性侵害相關的性平\n\n12:18.682 --> 12:45.965\n機制的整個制度的運作我們好不容易好不容易在校園催生了全國一體試用各級學校的校園反霸凌防治準則這是我們努力從2016大概努力到前兩年剛剛完備但是也有人在倡議校園是不需要反霸凌的專法但這個恐怕如果\n\n12:47.443 --> 13:15.303\n如果要等一個反霸凌的專法才能夠去執行校園的反霸凌那恐怕要等很久的時間所以我們都compromise先用一個霸凌防治準則在校園那同樣的在公務體系因為一個遺憾的事件讓我們更正視了公務體系要能夠有明確的公務體系反霸凌的作為那我絕對支持從保障法先行\n\n13:16.400 --> 13:36.034\n保障法先行,也許有人認為要一個專法,或有人認為要適用職安法,跟私部門一起管理,但是那就是賣戶期啦,那就是我們要抓漏,再來搞都更,先抓漏,所以我希望今天朝野各黨都能夠有高度的共識,讓\n\n13:37.495 --> 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