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--> 00:02:04,511\n這過去在公務機關尤其公務人員身份是在法制還沒有那麼健全的時候還在一個特別權利關係底下那很多很多的存在的這些不為外界所知道的這些職權的一個霸凌那我看在現在社會也高度的去做一個重視那在\n\n6\n00:02:08,820 --> 00:02:35,158\n這一次的一個草案裡面我也發現了幾個問題就是說你如果說霸凌者是權責的上級是一個上級的話那你申訴的一個程序如何真正的一個保障這個申訴人也就是說客觀性那個客觀性那以現在你草案的一個設計你遭遇職場霸凌的攻略你可以向所屬的機關的防務委員會做申訴由委員會來決定是否來受理\n\n7\n00:02:35,939 --> 00:03:00,520\n但我要請教一個簡單的保証一個簡單的問題就是說如果說疑似霸凌者跟委員會成員之間大家都家食塞都家食塞熟視同單位甚至於平常就存在上下階層這個就是公務機關的一個常態那請問這樣的制度設計怎樣去保障這個申訴的人能夠很安心的去做申訴這個是不是可以先做一個回答\n\n8\n00:03:02,834 --> 00:03:24,194\n謝謝委員的指教跟委員報告就是說這個就是這一次我們會希望能夠擴大外部成員的專家學者外部人員進來的主要原因我們希望透過外部然後還有就是機關它如果有成立工人員協會至少要有一名工人員協會的代表\n\n9\n00:03:24,975 --> 00:03:44,888\n那這個希望就是能夠透過這樣的機制確保這個案子簡單講不會被吃掉不會被戳掉這是第一點第二點就是說除了這個安全衛生防護委員會以外目前各機關都有很多就是他就有首長信箱然後他也可以向上級機關去\n\n10\n00:03:48,091 --> 00:04:13,000\n向上級機關去申訴就是說他去投書等等那這些呢目前的機制呢各院跟各機關也都有在運作那當然第三點就是說因為整個政府組織他的層級節制的特性他是雙面任他可以是去為了讓這些機關首長還有各級主管負起責任還有就是他如果\n\n11\n00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:31,104\n這個知悉有霸凌他卻沒有處理他是要受到很多的處罰的那這個是他的一個好處那這是我們新加入的但是當然也沒有錯像委員講的那個就是我跟你認識嘛我一輩子都跟你同一個機關那萬一剛好霸凌的那個人呢\n\n12\n00:04:34,625 --> 00:04:56,025\n是機關的副首長因為我們現在是明定副首長或者是幕僚長那這個可能案情會不會真的吃掉所以我們目前當然我們現在想的就是說透過更多元他一個人要吃案子其實他要經過很多的部分第一個人事單位因為組成裡面一定有人事人員第二個外部學者第三個\n\n13\n00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:25,081\n裡面會有陣風所以呢如果這樣他還能夠把那個案子吃掉實在應該我們判斷在實務上現在應該是不太可能另外一個就是有個數字就是說現在這個大家其實越年輕的世代他越勇於敢來揭發機關裡面他受到的不合理的對待而過去的幾年裡面我們接到的霸凌案件\n\n14\n00:05:26,042 --> 00:05:34,124\n還有就是做成的案件以去年來講是36件但是從就是從去年底到現在我們接到的再申訴\n\n15\n00:05:35,547 --> 00:06:03,729\n霸凌就光霸凌已經有超過90件表示說這個文化大家逐漸敢來再申訴所以委員擔心的問題我想我們目前在他通過以後我們會持續觀察是透過比較多的機制這個我在想寶俊榮這大家不用受騙機關裡面第一個上下第二個跟我們講的熟悉\n\n16\n00:06:04,910 --> 00:06:22,707\n最怕的工人最怕的是什麼事後在那個職場裡面那種後面那種報復提出申訴以後常常伴隨著以後對整個他以後的一個升遷當事人會感到壓力我們其實不能去忽視的狀況\n\n17\n00:06:24,068 --> 00:06:46,702\n就是說你現在在防務委員會裡面你由副首長跟幕僚擔任召集人成員力工5到23外部人員不得少於三分之一那其實你申訴對象如果是機關首長雖然規定說要迴避啊但你整個機關的文化裡面那種層級的壓力其實還是存在啦那如果這加害只是副首長或者處長科室主管委員會成員關係大家可能性喔\n\n18\n00:06:47,763 --> 00:06:59,352\n這個關係密切的可能性那個更高啦所以導致委員是不是會受理或者說可能被牽制在關係的一個網路當中這個都必須要再去慎重那你在整個保訓會其實如果去確保如何去確保當霸凌者本身是機關權力核心的時候這個委員會裡面的客觀獨立的一個程序的一個啟動\n\n19\n00:07:13,062 --> 00:07:34,748\n這個都要特別特別的去關注,尤其這個常常到最後,有時候被標籤化的差不多大家機關內部會形成一種同仇敵愾,這個都不是沒有發生過那整個接下來要就教的就是說,調查小組裡面你雖然納了外部成員但是你最後還是回到機關委員會裡面做這個定奪\n\n20\n00:07:37,009 --> 00:08:05,350\n那所以說這個公平性以現在草案的一個設計的話你說兩個月內完成報告然後外部成員不得少於二分之一這個都值得肯定但你調查結論又回到機關內部的防護委員會裡面來確認是否成立這個我就要問啦就是說你如果判斷最後還是委員會來做勢必也由他來做那你這個委員會又跟涉案的主管關係又這麼的密切\n\n21\n00:08:06,789 --> 00:08:29,859\n不要說整個站在端端這樣的制度設計之下基層人員他畢竟還是弱勢面對上次這樣的一個霸凌不敢說申訴無門但如何再更一步的一個確保讓這個申訴的公務人員讓他去感受到他有真正的一個保護傘\n\n22\n00:08:31,311 --> 00:08:59,102\n我覺得這是很重要的尤其啊尤其啊那你碰到這種權勢霸凌的問題的時候申訴對象通通是一個典型啦通通是典型啦那這樣的申訴到底困不困難大家都可想而知啦大家都可想而知但是整個法制的一個建立啊當然是一件好事啦尤其是你說要全面的讓它完備那\n\n23\n00:09:01,368 --> 00:09:14,084\n方向是對的啦但至少先讓它去啟動啦那但是呢我也在特別來做一個叮嚀啦就這個制度喔你也必須要去正視它的一個風險啦你說說從申訴的階段\n\n24\n00:09:17,993 --> 00:09:40,842\n環務委員會開始那就必須要去恪守必要的一個匿名性跟它的一個保密性如果不開始一個申訴之後全部全部都拆掉這個部分是我們整個設計要必須要去更完善的一個地方那我們更期待就是說訂這一部法律是要讓公務員遭遇到霸凌的時候不用在\n\n25\n00:09:42,783 --> 00:09:50,990\n很多都是隱忍到退休隱忍到退休然後呢讓申訴人這樣到最後還受到惡度的傷害這個程序我們就認為應該讓他更\n\n26\n00:09:59,796 --> 00:10:26,661\n對這個申訴人士更溫暖的所以本席也特別來提醒啦你安慰辦法裡面要求的是每一年去一次的定期主動的去做一個查核各機關的防護委員會的一個運作這個是最基本的一個要求啦最基本的要求不然搞不好你就搞不好都關關相護申訴調查沒有下文到最後變成形同具聞啦那這個制度就會讓受害人越來越沉默\n\n27\n00:10:27,521 --> 00:10:40,259\n你受害人去申訴的人越來越沉默的話就形同你讓大齡者就越來越猖狂我相信這個部分我們要特別去著墨的地方好謝謝好謝謝委員提醒\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5649\t13554\t謝謝主席我們今天審這個新增的草案裡面整個職場霸凌不好意思秘書長有休息嗎秘書長不讓他離開的話審這個霸凌有點怪怪好像委員會在霸凌他一樣\n34913\t58944\t這個雖然在司法法律委員會裡面這樣一提這個劍拔弩張但是涉及到這個基本的健康人權的官員這也來是要監督但是也都是公務人員尤其是高級文官這些都是國家好不容易栽培出來的那我想今天這個針對公務人員保障法跟公務人員安全衛生防護辦法新增的這個職權霸凌的專章\n60365\t79282\t我們來看看這個制度到底有沒有缺口那針對公務人員保障法草案授權安慰辦法裡面新增的這個職場的一個霸凌這個專節裡面來幾個問題來救教我相信今天早上聽了以後大家針對這些修法的一個方向\n80763\t86326\t朝野其實都表達正面的一個態度畢竟在公務體系裡面不乏層級明確然後權責非常集中你這個升遷仰賴評比制度的一個設計所以這個權勢的霸凌它不但是真實的存在而且你很難去揭露\n103853\t124511\t這過去在公務機關尤其公務人員身份是在法制還沒有那麼健全的時候還在一個特別權利關係底下那很多很多的存在的這些不為外界所知道的這些職權的一個霸凌那我看在現在社會也高度的去做一個重視那在\n128820\t155158\t這一次的一個草案裡面我也發現了幾個問題就是說你如果說霸凌者是權責的上級是一個上級的話那你申訴的一個程序如何真正的一個保障這個申訴人也就是說客觀性 那個客觀性那以現在你草案的一個設計你遭遇職場霸凌的攻略你可以向所屬的機關的防務委員會做申訴由委員會來決定是否來受理\n155939\t180520\t但我要請教一個簡單的保証一個簡單的問題就是說如果說疑似霸凌者跟委員會成員之間大家都家食塞都家食塞 熟視同單位甚至於平常就存在上下階層這個就是公務機關的一個常態那請問這樣的制度設計怎樣去保障這個申訴的人能夠很安心的去做申訴這個是不是可以先做一個回答\n182834\t204194\t謝謝委員的指教跟委員報告就是說這個就是這一次我們會希望能夠擴大外部成員的專家學者外部人員進來的主要原因我們希望透過外部然後還有就是機關它如果有成立工人員協會至少要有一名工人員協會的代表\n204975\t224888\t那這個希望就是能夠透過這樣的機制確保這個案子簡單講不會被吃掉不會被戳掉這是第一點第二點就是說除了這個安全衛生防護委員會以外目前各機關都有很多就是他就有首長信箱然後他也可以向上級機關去\n228091\t253000\t向上級機關去申訴就是說他去投書等等那這些呢目前的機制呢各院跟各機關也都有在運作那當然第三點就是說因為整個政府組織他的層級節制的特性他是雙面任他可以是去為了讓這些機關首長還有各級主管負起責任還有就是他如果\n254200\t271104\t這個知悉有霸凌他卻沒有處理他是要受到很多的處罰的那這個是他的一個好處那這是我們新加入的但是當然也沒有錯像委員講的那個就是我跟你認識嘛我一輩子都跟你同一個機關那萬一剛好霸凌的那個人呢\n274625\t296025\t是機關的副首長因為我們現在是明定副首長或者是幕僚長那這個可能案情會不會真的吃掉所以我們目前當然我們現在想的就是說透過更多元他一個人要吃案子其實他要經過很多的部分第一個人事單位因為組成裡面一定有人事人員第二個外部學者第三個\n296960\t325081\t裡面會有陣風所以呢如果這樣他還能夠把那個案子吃掉實在應該我們判斷在實務上現在應該是不太可能另外一個就是有個數字就是說現在這個大家其實越年輕的世代他越勇於敢來揭發機關裡面他受到的不合理的對待而過去的幾年裡面我們接到的霸凌案件\n326042\t334124\t還有就是做成的案件以去年來講是36件但是從就是從去年底到現在我們接到的再申訴\n335547\t363729\t霸凌就光霸凌已經有超過90件表示說這個文化大家逐漸敢來再申訴所以委員擔心的問題我想我們目前在他通過以後我們會持續觀察是透過比較多的機制這個我在想寶俊榮這大家不用受騙機關裡面第一個上下第二個跟我們講的熟悉\n364910\t382707\t最怕的工人最怕的是什麼事後在那個職場裡面那種後面那種報復提出申訴以後常常伴隨著以後對整個他以後的一個升遷當事人會感到壓力我們其實不能去忽視的狀況\n384068\t406702\t就是說你現在在防務委員會裡面 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一個申訴之後全部全部都拆掉這個部分是我們整個設計要必須要去更完善的一個地方那我們更期待就是說訂這一部法律是要讓公務員遭遇到霸凌的時候不用在\n582783\t590990\t很多都是隱忍到退休隱忍到退休然後呢讓申訴人這樣到最後還受到惡度的傷害這個程序我們就認為應該讓他更\n599796\t626661\t對這個申訴人士更溫暖的所以本席也特別來提醒啦你安慰辦法裡面要求的是每一年去一次的定期主動的去做一個查核各機關的防護委員會的一個運作這個是最基本的一個要求啦最基本的要求不然搞不好你就搞不好都關關相護申訴調查沒有下文到最後變成形同具聞啦那這個制度就會讓受害人越來越沉默\n627521\t640259\t你受害人去申訴的人越來越沉默的話就形同你讓大齡者就越來越猖狂我相信這個部分我們要特別去著墨的地方好 謝謝好 謝謝委員提醒\n","txt":"謝謝主席我們今天審這個新增的草案裡面整個職場霸凌不好意思秘書長有休息嗎秘書長不讓他離開的話審這個霸凌有點怪怪好像委員會在霸凌他一樣\n這個雖然在司法法律委員會裡面這樣一提這個劍拔弩張但是涉及到這個基本的健康人權的官員這也來是要監督但是也都是公務人員尤其是高級文官這些都是國家好不容易栽培出來的那我想今天這個針對公務人員保障法跟公務人員安全衛生防護辦法新增的這個職權霸凌的專章\n我們來看看這個制度到底有沒有缺口那針對公務人員保障法草案授權安慰辦法裡面新增的這個職場的一個霸凌這個專節裡面來幾個問題來救教我相信今天早上聽了以後大家針對這些修法的一個方向\n朝野其實都表達正面的一個態度畢竟在公務體系裡面不乏層級明確然後權責非常集中你這個升遷仰賴評比制度的一個設計所以這個權勢的霸凌它不但是真實的存在而且你很難去揭露\n這過去在公務機關尤其公務人員身份是在法制還沒有那麼健全的時候還在一個特別權利關係底下那很多很多的存在的這些不為外界所知道的這些職權的一個霸凌那我看在現在社會也高度的去做一個重視那在\n這一次的一個草案裡面我也發現了幾個問題就是說你如果說霸凌者是權責的上級是一個上級的話那你申訴的一個程序如何真正的一個保障這個申訴人也就是說客觀性 那個客觀性那以現在你草案的一個設計你遭遇職場霸凌的攻略你可以向所屬的機關的防務委員會做申訴由委員會來決定是否來受理\n但我要請教一個簡單的保証一個簡單的問題就是說如果說疑似霸凌者跟委員會成員之間大家都家食塞都家食塞 熟視同單位甚至於平常就存在上下階層這個就是公務機關的一個常態那請問這樣的制度設計怎樣去保障這個申訴的人能夠很安心的去做申訴這個是不是可以先做一個回答\n謝謝委員的指教跟委員報告就是說這個就是這一次我們會希望能夠擴大外部成員的專家學者外部人員進來的主要原因我們希望透過外部然後還有就是機關它如果有成立工人員協會至少要有一名工人員協會的代表\n那這個希望就是能夠透過這樣的機制確保這個案子簡單講不會被吃掉不會被戳掉這是第一點第二點就是說除了這個安全衛生防護委員會以外目前各機關都有很多就是他就有首長信箱然後他也可以向上級機關去\n向上級機關去申訴就是說他去投書等等那這些呢目前的機制呢各院跟各機關也都有在運作那當然第三點就是說因為整個政府組織他的層級節制的特性他是雙面任他可以是去為了讓這些機關首長還有各級主管負起責任還有就是他如果\n這個知悉有霸凌他卻沒有處理他是要受到很多的處罰的那這個是他的一個好處那這是我們新加入的但是當然也沒有錯像委員講的那個就是我跟你認識嘛我一輩子都跟你同一個機關那萬一剛好霸凌的那個人呢\n是機關的副首長因為我們現在是明定副首長或者是幕僚長那這個可能案情會不會真的吃掉所以我們目前當然我們現在想的就是說透過更多元他一個人要吃案子其實他要經過很多的部分第一個人事單位因為組成裡面一定有人事人員第二個外部學者第三個\n裡面會有陣風所以呢如果這樣他還能夠把那個案子吃掉實在應該我們判斷在實務上現在應該是不太可能另外一個就是有個數字就是說現在這個大家其實越年輕的世代他越勇於敢來揭發機關裡面他受到的不合理的對待而過去的幾年裡面我們接到的霸凌案件\n還有就是做成的案件以去年來講是36件但是從就是從去年底到現在我們接到的再申訴\n霸凌就光霸凌已經有超過90件表示說這個文化大家逐漸敢來再申訴所以委員擔心的問題我想我們目前在他通過以後我們會持續觀察是透過比較多的機制這個我在想寶俊榮這大家不用受騙機關裡面第一個上下第二個跟我們講的熟悉\n最怕的工人最怕的是什麼事後在那個職場裡面那種後面那種報復提出申訴以後常常伴隨著以後對整個他以後的一個升遷當事人會感到壓力我們其實不能去忽視的狀況\n就是說你現在在防務委員會裡面 你由副首長跟幕僚擔任召集人成員力工5到23 外部人員不得少於三分之一那其實你申訴對象如果是機關首長 雖然規定說要迴避啊但你整個機關的文化裡面 那種層級的壓力其實還是存在啦那如果這加害只是副首長或者處長 科室主管 委員會成員關係 大家可能性喔\n這個關係密切的可能性那個更高啦所以導致委員是不是會受理或者說可能被牽制在關係的一個網路當中這個都必須要再去慎重那你在整個保訓會其實如果去確保如何去確保當霸凌者本身是機關權力核心的時候這個委員會裡面的客觀獨立的一個程序的一個啟動\n這個都要特別特別的去關注,尤其這個常常到最後,有時候被標籤化的差不多大家機關內部會形成一種同仇敵愾,這個都不是沒有發生過那整個接下來要就教的就是說,調查小組裡面你雖然納了外部成員但是你最後還是回到機關委員會裡面做這個定奪\n那所以說這個公平性以現在草案的一個設計的話你說兩個月內完成報告然後外部成員不得少於二分之一這個都值得肯定但你調查結論又回到機關內部的防護委員會裡面來確認是否成立這個我就要問啦就是說你如果判斷最後還是委員會來做勢必也由他來做那你這個委員會又跟涉案的主管關係又這麼的密切\n不要說整個站在端端 這樣的制度設計之下 基層人員他畢竟還是弱勢面對上次這樣的一個霸凌 不敢說申訴無門但如何再更一步的一個確保 讓這個申訴的公務人員 讓他去感受到他有真正的一個保護傘\n我覺得這是很重要的尤其啊尤其啊那你碰到這種權勢霸凌的問題的時候申訴對象通通是一個典型啦通通是典型啦那這樣的申訴到底困不困難大家都可想而知啦大家都可想而知但是整個法制的一個建立啊當然是一件好事啦尤其是你說要全面的讓它完備那\n方向是對的啦但至少先讓它去啟動啦那但是呢我也在特別來做一個叮嚀啦就這個制度喔你也必須要去正視它的一個風險啦你說說從申訴的階段\n環務委員會開始那就必須要去恪守必要的一個匿名性跟它的一個保密性如果不開始 一個申訴之後全部全部都拆掉這個部分是我們整個設計要必須要去更完善的一個地方那我們更期待就是說訂這一部法律是要讓公務員遭遇到霸凌的時候不用在\n很多都是隱忍到退休隱忍到退休然後呢讓申訴人這樣到最後還受到惡度的傷害這個程序我們就認為應該讓他更\n對這個申訴人士更溫暖的所以本席也特別來提醒啦你安慰辦法裡面要求的是每一年去一次的定期主動的去做一個查核各機關的防護委員會的一個運作這個是最基本的一個要求啦最基本的要求不然搞不好你就搞不好都關關相護申訴調查沒有下文到最後變成形同具聞啦那這個制度就會讓受害人越來越沉默\n你受害人去申訴的人越來越沉默的話就形同你讓大齡者就越來越猖狂我相信這個部分我們要特別去著墨的地方好 謝謝好 謝謝委員提醒\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.649 --> 00:13.554\n謝謝主席我們今天審這個新增的草案裡面整個職場霸凌不好意思秘書長有休息嗎秘書長不讓他離開的話審這個霸凌有點怪怪好像委員會在霸凌他一樣\n\n00:34.913 --> 00:58.944\n這個雖然在司法法律委員會裡面這樣一提這個劍拔弩張但是涉及到這個基本的健康人權的官員這也來是要監督但是也都是公務人員尤其是高級文官這些都是國家好不容易栽培出來的那我想今天這個針對公務人員保障法跟公務人員安全衛生防護辦法新增的這個職權霸凌的專章\n\n01:00.365 --> 01:19.282\n我們來看看這個制度到底有沒有缺口那針對公務人員保障法草案授權安慰辦法裡面新增的這個職場的一個霸凌這個專節裡面來幾個問題來救教我相信今天早上聽了以後大家針對這些修法的一個方向\n\n01:20.763 --> 01:26.326\n朝野其實都表達正面的一個態度畢竟在公務體系裡面不乏層級明確然後權責非常集中你這個升遷仰賴評比制度的一個設計所以這個權勢的霸凌它不但是真實的存在而且你很難去揭露\n\n01:43.853 --> 02:04.511\n這過去在公務機關尤其公務人員身份是在法制還沒有那麼健全的時候還在一個特別權利關係底下那很多很多的存在的這些不為外界所知道的這些職權的一個霸凌那我看在現在社會也高度的去做一個重視那在\n\n02:08.820 --> 02:35.158\n這一次的一個草案裡面我也發現了幾個問題就是說你如果說霸凌者是權責的上級是一個上級的話那你申訴的一個程序如何真正的一個保障這個申訴人也就是說客觀性那個客觀性那以現在你草案的一個設計你遭遇職場霸凌的攻略你可以向所屬的機關的防務委員會做申訴由委員會來決定是否來受理\n\n02:35.939 --> 03:00.520\n但我要請教一個簡單的保証一個簡單的問題就是說如果說疑似霸凌者跟委員會成員之間大家都家食塞都家食塞熟視同單位甚至於平常就存在上下階層這個就是公務機關的一個常態那請問這樣的制度設計怎樣去保障這個申訴的人能夠很安心的去做申訴這個是不是可以先做一個回答\n\n03:02.834 --> 03:24.194\n謝謝委員的指教跟委員報告就是說這個就是這一次我們會希望能夠擴大外部成員的專家學者外部人員進來的主要原因我們希望透過外部然後還有就是機關它如果有成立工人員協會至少要有一名工人員協會的代表\n\n03:24.975 --> 03:44.888\n那這個希望就是能夠透過這樣的機制確保這個案子簡單講不會被吃掉不會被戳掉這是第一點第二點就是說除了這個安全衛生防護委員會以外目前各機關都有很多就是他就有首長信箱然後他也可以向上級機關去\n\n03:48.091 --> 04:13.000\n向上級機關去申訴就是說他去投書等等那這些呢目前的機制呢各院跟各機關也都有在運作那當然第三點就是說因為整個政府組織他的層級節制的特性他是雙面任他可以是去為了讓這些機關首長還有各級主管負起責任還有就是他如果\n\n04:14.200 --> 04:31.104\n這個知悉有霸凌他卻沒有處理他是要受到很多的處罰的那這個是他的一個好處那這是我們新加入的但是當然也沒有錯像委員講的那個就是我跟你認識嘛我一輩子都跟你同一個機關那萬一剛好霸凌的那個人呢\n\n04:34.625 --> 04:56.025\n是機關的副首長因為我們現在是明定副首長或者是幕僚長那這個可能案情會不會真的吃掉所以我們目前當然我們現在想的就是說透過更多元他一個人要吃案子其實他要經過很多的部分第一個人事單位因為組成裡面一定有人事人員第二個外部學者第三個\n\n04:56.960 --> 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