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00:01:58,309\n我了解這個案子那我想因為這也由文資局代主政直接來執行這個修復保存計畫目前進度上應該是還在進化中進度中在執行中並沒有沒有嚴重的延遲\n\n6\n00:01:59,369 --> 00:02:23,340\n因為剛剛我知道這個案子我們也送到工程會在審查當中我剛剛也有特別拜託我們的主委我們一起共同來努力因為這個我知道我們目前我們大概規劃上面因為有考慮到一些私有土地還有一個施工的問題我們要規劃一個分段分期進行的一個模式但是次長我比較擔心這個恆春古城如果這樣分段進行\n\n7\n00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:45,223\n會把這個工企拉得很長而且整個這個尤其它又靠近我們整個橫村比較市中心的一個聚落我擔心會變成一個工地化的一個現象那長期的這個圍裏圍起來之後也不利於一個觀光發展跟交通的一個動線那這部分有沒有辦法做一個比較有效的一個整合能夠一次到位一次施工\n\n8\n00:02:49,262 --> 00:03:13,732\n當然謝謝委員的提醒對於做工程的來講我們都希望最好是一次到位整個封起來一次施工會比較單純可是這個地方上有地方的考量他們因為原本像它西門都還是維持這個交通動線所以我們現在會盡量去做到分區那雖然是用分區分段來執行可是對於交通的影響或者是對周遭生活的影響我們會努力的降到最低\n\n9\n00:03:14,712 --> 00:03:35,777\n這個一定要列入評估不能造成這樣一個交通的黑暗期尤其我覺得有一些地段的部分有些公法的試作上面也必須考慮到這個整體的一個我們要保存的一個美意不要太多的人為化的一個過程裡面把那個古城的味道不見了也不好\n\n10\n00:03:37,222 --> 00:04:03,728\n這個我們會小心不會造成這樣的現象是那尤其我想過去我們期待的這個一個整個景觀的一個優化跟人情的動線我想我們應該要求要同步來進行那尤其是我們景林的這個一個觀光的一個熱帶包含我們北門廣場還有西門周邊的一個步道東門的入口一向我想這部分應該是優先來做處理把那個工序稍微調整一下\n\n11\n00:04:04,668 --> 00:04:23,153\n這部分應該是來做趕快做一個規劃進行這部分我們會依照委員的建議來做一個調整這樣我最近我也會找時間約你們跟約工程會因為我知道你們七月份就要開始去做一些的進度一個採購的案子我想在採購之前我們還是要把整體的狀況趕快做一個討論\n\n12\n00:04:26,174 --> 00:04:49,654\n那我想因為我前陣子我們的教育委員會我們有到屏東來考察那也特別感謝我們林怡景召委還有吳立華委員我想我們屏東橫村有發現了這個第一具全長超過15公尺的鯨魚化石那目前放在我們的科博館裡面那我們在上次考察我們有特別期待未來\n\n13\n00:04:50,495 --> 00:05:10,876\n在恆春能夠建立一個地質資源館或是透過文化部我們把國立史前文化博物館能夠來增設一個鵝卵筆的分館我們整合科博館跟海神館的資源打造一個具有展示研究教育跟觀光功能的一個基地我想這個部分次長能夠支持這個案子嗎\n\n14\n00:05:12,964 --> 00:05:37,688\n不好意思因為我今天第一次知道這個案子這個提議我想我們會去部裡面會跟我們的文資司博物館的管理單位來做演繹我想這個要加快進行尤其這幾年這個整個恆春半島的觀光這個直線下滑我們也期待能夠有新的一個教育文化跟一個觀光景點的一個設施能夠帶動我們地方的觀光發展那最後我想\n\n15\n00:05:38,388 --> 00:06:00,415\n我們除了這個要做一個硬體的建設那最重要的是我們也發現了目前這個化石的部分也暴露了我們台灣在化石保護上面的一個法制的一個空白化的一個狀況我們目前沒有一個化石的一個專法所以造成這個不管是文資保存法自然資源法還有國有財產法都沒辦法保護這些化石的資產\n\n16\n00:06:01,255 --> 00:06:10,406\n造成挖到的化石沒有人管或是被蓄意迫害沒有法則甚至我們政府對這樣的一個保存有出現一個管理上的一些狀況那我想我們也會趕快著手來進行這個專法的一個討論跟規劃那在這邊我想\n\n17\n00:06:16,152 --> 00:06:36,097\n也再特別感謝我們這個林井召委還有我們吳立委員希望未來我們趕快把這個專法訂定完之後然後趕快也把我們的這個展示館能夠開起來我想這就是對我們這個屏東縣是一個大事情我們都期待這個往這個正向的方向來努力也請文化部給我們大力的支持\n\n18\n00:06:37,218 --> 00:06:52,808\n我想這一定要跨部會的一個協調跟努力因為如果挖出來的化石是屬於人類生活遺跡的話這個會是在我們文資法文化警官保護的裡面的範疇我們的史前博物館也可以介入那如果是純粹是生物的\n\n19\n00:06:53,268 --> 00:07:12,596\n就像鯨魚這樣子它其實比較可能是就是剛剛講科博館或是海生館他們這個那這是教育部的業館範圍那我想兩個部會怎麼樣努力來合作對於這樣子的一個挖出來的化石能夠給予保存然後甚至後面的展示計畫這個我們一起來努力好嗎就我們私下了解那個地理下\n\n20\n00:07:13,596 --> 00:07:26,078\n至少還有好幾隻金魚的化石在裡面所以這個是很重要的一個資產我們大家一起來努力好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝謝謝徐副葵委員好次長請回我們接下來請\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11496\t14347\t謝謝主席 有請我們次長好 有請理事長\n20578\t43395\t委員長市長好市長首先要感謝文化部那過去對於這個我們屏東的文化資產的一個保存給予我們屏東縣很大的一個支持所以包含我們的勝利仙村也好現在平野1936現在變成全國知名的一個觀光的一個點也是一個文化保存的一個典範但是今天還是有幾個問題還是要繼續請文化部來支持\n46798\t73397\t那我想今年我們恆春建成150週年那誠如這個次長從這個照片上看到的我們這個南門我們今年也得到文化部的支持我們今年會有增加一個光雕秀的一個演出那這個光雕秀的演出也帶動了一個整個恆春的觀光的一個發展跟一個人潮但是現在我知道我們文化部現在也有在進行我們一個\n74137\t101096\t恆春古城的一個修復計畫那恆春古城是我們目前全台唯一有四個城門完整保存的一個國定古蹟那我們文化部啟動了這個恆春古城保存活化的一個專案計畫那地方對於這個整體的進度也好預算的執行也好還有我們中央跟地方一個協力的模式還是有一些的期待那我想這部分次長知道這個案子的進度嗎\n103502\t118309\t我了解這個案子那我想因為這也由文資局代主政直接來執行這個修復保存計畫目前進度上應該是還在進化中進度中在執行中並沒有沒有嚴重的延遲\n119369\t143340\t因為剛剛我知道這個案子我們也送到工程會在審查當中我剛剛也有特別拜託我們的主委我們一起共同來努力因為這個我知道我們目前我們大概規劃上面因為有考慮到一些私有土地還有一個施工的問題我們要規劃一個分段分期進行的一個模式但是次長我比較擔心這個恆春古城如果這樣分段進行\n144680\t165223\t會把這個工企拉得很長而且整個這個尤其它又靠近我們整個橫村比較市中心的一個聚落我擔心會變成一個工地化的一個現象那長期的這個圍裏圍起來之後也不利於一個觀光發展跟交通的一個動線那這部分有沒有辦法做一個比較有效的一個整合能夠一次到位一次施工\n169262\t193732\t當然謝謝委員的提醒對於做工程的來講我們都希望最好是一次到位整個封起來一次施工會比較單純可是這個地方上有地方的考量他們因為原本像它西門都還是維持這個交通動線所以我們現在會盡量去做到分區那雖然是用分區分段來執行可是對於交通的影響或者是對周遭生活的影響我們會努力的降到最低\n194712\t215777\t這個一定要列入評估不能造成這樣一個交通的黑暗期尤其我覺得有一些地段的部分有些公法的試作上面也必須考慮到這個整體的一個我們要保存的一個美意不要太多的人為化的一個過程裡面把那個古城的味道不見了也不好\n217222\t243728\t這個我們會小心不會造成這樣的現象是那尤其我想過去我們期待的這個一個整個景觀的一個優化跟人情的動線我想我們應該要求要同步來進行那尤其是我們景林的這個一個觀光的一個熱帶包含我們北門廣場還有西門周邊的一個步道東門的入口一向我想這部分應該是優先來做處理把那個工序稍微調整一下\n244668\t263153\t這部分應該是來做 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我們還是要把整體的狀況趕快做一個討論\n266174\t289654\t那我想因為我前陣子我們的教育委員會我們有到屏東來考察那也特別感謝我們林怡景召委還有吳立華委員我想我們屏東橫村有發現了這個第一具全長超過15公尺的鯨魚化石那目前放在我們的科博館裡面那我們在上次考察我們有特別期待未來\n290495\t310876\t在恆春能夠建立一個地質資源館或是透過文化部我們把國立史前文化博物館能夠來增設一個鵝卵筆的分館我們整合科博館跟海神館的資源打造一個具有展示研究教育跟觀光功能的一個基地我想這個部分次長能夠支持這個案子嗎\n312964\t337688\t不好意思因為我今天第一次知道這個案子這個提議我想我們會去部裡面會跟我們的文資司博物館的管理單位來做演繹我想這個要加快進行尤其這幾年這個整個恆春半島的觀光這個直線下滑我們也期待能夠有新的一個教育文化跟一個觀光景點的一個設施能夠帶動我們地方的觀光發展那最後我想\n338388\t360415\t我們除了這個要做一個硬體的建設那最重要的是我們也發現了目前這個化石的部分也暴露了我們台灣在化石保護上面的一個法制的一個空白化的一個狀況我們目前沒有一個化石的一個專法所以造成這個不管是文資保存法自然資源法還有國有財產法都沒辦法保護這些化石的資產\n361255\t370406\t造成挖到的化石沒有人管或是被蓄意迫害沒有法則甚至我們政府對這樣的一個保存有出現一個管理上的一些狀況那我想我們也會趕快著手來進行這個專法的一個討論跟規劃那在這邊我想\n376152\t396097\t也再特別感謝我們這個林井召委還有我們吳立委員希望未來我們趕快把這個專法訂定完之後然後趕快也把我們的這個展示館能夠開起來我想這就是對我們這個屏東縣是一個大事情我們都期待這個往這個正向的方向來努力也請文化部給我們大力的支持\n397218\t412808\t我想這一定要跨部會的一個協調跟努力因為如果挖出來的化石是屬於人類生活遺跡的話這個會是在我們文資法文化警官保護的裡面的範疇我們的史前博物館也可以介入那如果是純粹是生物的\n413268\t432596\t就像鯨魚這樣子它其實比較可能是就是剛剛講科博館或是海生館他們這個那這是教育部的業館範圍那我想兩個部會怎麼樣努力來合作對於這樣子的一個挖出來的化石能夠給予保存然後甚至後面的展示計畫這個我們一起來努力好嗎就我們私下了解那個地理下\n433596\t446078\t至少還有好幾隻金魚的化石在裡面所以這個是很重要的一個資產我們大家一起來努力好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝徐副葵委員好 次長請回我們接下來請\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請我們次長好 有請理事長\n委員長市長好市長首先要感謝文化部那過去對於這個我們屏東的文化資產的一個保存給予我們屏東縣很大的一個支持所以包含我們的勝利仙村也好現在平野1936現在變成全國知名的一個觀光的一個點也是一個文化保存的一個典範但是今天還是有幾個問題還是要繼續請文化部來支持\n那我想今年我們恆春建成150週年那誠如這個次長從這個照片上看到的我們這個南門我們今年也得到文化部的支持我們今年會有增加一個光雕秀的一個演出那這個光雕秀的演出也帶動了一個整個恆春的觀光的一個發展跟一個人潮但是現在我知道我們文化部現在也有在進行我們一個\n恆春古城的一個修復計畫那恆春古城是我們目前全台唯一有四個城門完整保存的一個國定古蹟那我們文化部啟動了這個恆春古城保存活化的一個專案計畫那地方對於這個整體的進度也好預算的執行也好還有我們中央跟地方一個協力的模式還是有一些的期待那我想這部分次長知道這個案子的進度嗎\n我了解這個案子那我想因為這也由文資局代主政直接來執行這個修復保存計畫目前進度上應該是還在進化中進度中在執行中並沒有沒有嚴重的延遲\n因為剛剛我知道這個案子我們也送到工程會在審查當中我剛剛也有特別拜託我們的主委我們一起共同來努力因為這個我知道我們目前我們大概規劃上面因為有考慮到一些私有土地還有一個施工的問題我們要規劃一個分段分期進行的一個模式但是次長我比較擔心這個恆春古城如果這樣分段進行\n會把這個工企拉得很長而且整個這個尤其它又靠近我們整個橫村比較市中心的一個聚落我擔心會變成一個工地化的一個現象那長期的這個圍裏圍起來之後也不利於一個觀光發展跟交通的一個動線那這部分有沒有辦法做一個比較有效的一個整合能夠一次到位一次施工\n當然謝謝委員的提醒對於做工程的來講我們都希望最好是一次到位整個封起來一次施工會比較單純可是這個地方上有地方的考量他們因為原本像它西門都還是維持這個交通動線所以我們現在會盡量去做到分區那雖然是用分區分段來執行可是對於交通的影響或者是對周遭生活的影響我們會努力的降到最低\n這個一定要列入評估不能造成這樣一個交通的黑暗期尤其我覺得有一些地段的部分有些公法的試作上面也必須考慮到這個整體的一個我們要保存的一個美意不要太多的人為化的一個過程裡面把那個古城的味道不見了也不好\n這個我們會小心不會造成這樣的現象是那尤其我想過去我們期待的這個一個整個景觀的一個優化跟人情的動線我想我們應該要求要同步來進行那尤其是我們景林的這個一個觀光的一個熱帶包含我們北門廣場還有西門周邊的一個步道東門的入口一向我想這部分應該是優先來做處理把那個工序稍微調整一下\n這部分應該是來做 趕快做一個規劃進行這部分我們會依照委員的建議來做一個調整這樣 我最近我也會找時間約你們跟約工程會因為我知道你們七月份就要開始去做一些的進度 一個採購的案子我想在採購之前 我們還是要把整體的狀況趕快做一個討論\n那我想因為我前陣子我們的教育委員會我們有到屏東來考察那也特別感謝我們林怡景召委還有吳立華委員我想我們屏東橫村有發現了這個第一具全長超過15公尺的鯨魚化石那目前放在我們的科博館裡面那我們在上次考察我們有特別期待未來\n在恆春能夠建立一個地質資源館或是透過文化部我們把國立史前文化博物館能夠來增設一個鵝卵筆的分館我們整合科博館跟海神館的資源打造一個具有展示研究教育跟觀光功能的一個基地我想這個部分次長能夠支持這個案子嗎\n不好意思因為我今天第一次知道這個案子這個提議我想我們會去部裡面會跟我們的文資司博物館的管理單位來做演繹我想這個要加快進行尤其這幾年這個整個恆春半島的觀光這個直線下滑我們也期待能夠有新的一個教育文化跟一個觀光景點的一個設施能夠帶動我們地方的觀光發展那最後我想\n我們除了這個要做一個硬體的建設那最重要的是我們也發現了目前這個化石的部分也暴露了我們台灣在化石保護上面的一個法制的一個空白化的一個狀況我們目前沒有一個化石的一個專法所以造成這個不管是文資保存法自然資源法還有國有財產法都沒辦法保護這些化石的資產\n造成挖到的化石沒有人管或是被蓄意迫害沒有法則甚至我們政府對這樣的一個保存有出現一個管理上的一些狀況那我想我們也會趕快著手來進行這個專法的一個討論跟規劃那在這邊我想\n也再特別感謝我們這個林井召委還有我們吳立委員希望未來我們趕快把這個專法訂定完之後然後趕快也把我們的這個展示館能夠開起來我想這就是對我們這個屏東縣是一個大事情我們都期待這個往這個正向的方向來努力也請文化部給我們大力的支持\n我想這一定要跨部會的一個協調跟努力因為如果挖出來的化石是屬於人類生活遺跡的話這個會是在我們文資法文化警官保護的裡面的範疇我們的史前博物館也可以介入那如果是純粹是生物的\n就像鯨魚這樣子它其實比較可能是就是剛剛講科博館或是海生館他們這個那這是教育部的業館範圍那我想兩個部會怎麼樣努力來合作對於這樣子的一個挖出來的化石能夠給予保存然後甚至後面的展示計畫這個我們一起來努力好嗎就我們私下了解那個地理下\n至少還有好幾隻金魚的化石在裡面所以這個是很重要的一個資產我們大家一起來努力好 謝謝謝謝委員 謝謝好 謝謝 謝謝徐副葵委員好 次長請回我們接下來請\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.496 --> 00:14.347\n謝謝主席有請我們次長好有請理事長\n\n00:20.578 --> 00:43.395\n委員長市長好市長首先要感謝文化部那過去對於這個我們屏東的文化資產的一個保存給予我們屏東縣很大的一個支持所以包含我們的勝利仙村也好現在平野1936現在變成全國知名的一個觀光的一個點也是一個文化保存的一個典範但是今天還是有幾個問題還是要繼續請文化部來支持\n\n00:46.798 --> 01:13.397\n那我想今年我們恆春建成150週年那誠如這個次長從這個照片上看到的我們這個南門我們今年也得到文化部的支持我們今年會有增加一個光雕秀的一個演出那這個光雕秀的演出也帶動了一個整個恆春的觀光的一個發展跟一個人潮但是現在我知道我們文化部現在也有在進行我們一個\n\n01:14.137 --> 01:41.096\n恆春古城的一個修復計畫那恆春古城是我們目前全台唯一有四個城門完整保存的一個國定古蹟那我們文化部啟動了這個恆春古城保存活化的一個專案計畫那地方對於這個整體的進度也好預算的執行也好還有我們中央跟地方一個協力的模式還是有一些的期待那我想這部分次長知道這個案子的進度嗎\n\n01:43.502 --> 01:58.309\n我了解這個案子那我想因為這也由文資局代主政直接來執行這個修復保存計畫目前進度上應該是還在進化中進度中在執行中並沒有沒有嚴重的延遲\n\n01:59.369 --> 02:23.340\n因為剛剛我知道這個案子我們也送到工程會在審查當中我剛剛也有特別拜託我們的主委我們一起共同來努力因為這個我知道我們目前我們大概規劃上面因為有考慮到一些私有土地還有一個施工的問題我們要規劃一個分段分期進行的一個模式但是次長我比較擔心這個恆春古城如果這樣分段進行\n\n02:24.680 --> 02:45.223\n會把這個工企拉得很長而且整個這個尤其它又靠近我們整個橫村比較市中心的一個聚落我擔心會變成一個工地化的一個現象那長期的這個圍裏圍起來之後也不利於一個觀光發展跟交通的一個動線那這部分有沒有辦法做一個比較有效的一個整合能夠一次到位一次施工\n\n02:49.262 --> 03:13.732\n當然謝謝委員的提醒對於做工程的來講我們都希望最好是一次到位整個封起來一次施工會比較單純可是這個地方上有地方的考量他們因為原本像它西門都還是維持這個交通動線所以我們現在會盡量去做到分區那雖然是用分區分段來執行可是對於交通的影響或者是對周遭生活的影響我們會努力的降到最低\n\n03:14.712 --> 03:35.777\n這個一定要列入評估不能造成這樣一個交通的黑暗期尤其我覺得有一些地段的部分有些公法的試作上面也必須考慮到這個整體的一個我們要保存的一個美意不要太多的人為化的一個過程裡面把那個古城的味道不見了也不好\n\n03:37.222 --> 04:03.728\n這個我們會小心不會造成這樣的現象是那尤其我想過去我們期待的這個一個整個景觀的一個優化跟人情的動線我想我們應該要求要同步來進行那尤其是我們景林的這個一個觀光的一個熱帶包含我們北門廣場還有西門周邊的一個步道東門的入口一向我想這部分應該是優先來做處理把那個工序稍微調整一下\n\n04:04.668 --> 04:23.153\n這部分應該是來做趕快做一個規劃進行這部分我們會依照委員的建議來做一個調整這樣我最近我也會找時間約你們跟約工程會因為我知道你們七月份就要開始去做一些的進度一個採購的案子我想在採購之前我們還是要把整體的狀況趕快做一個討論\n\n04:26.174 --> 04:49.654\n那我想因為我前陣子我們的教育委員會我們有到屏東來考察那也特別感謝我們林怡景召委還有吳立華委員我想我們屏東橫村有發現了這個第一具全長超過15公尺的鯨魚化石那目前放在我們的科博館裡面那我們在上次考察我們有特別期待未來\n\n04:50.495 --> 05:10.876\n在恆春能夠建立一個地質資源館或是透過文化部我們把國立史前文化博物館能夠來增設一個鵝卵筆的分館我們整合科博館跟海神館的資源打造一個具有展示研究教育跟觀光功能的一個基地我想這個部分次長能夠支持這個案子嗎\n\n05:12.964 --> 05:37.688\n不好意思因為我今天第一次知道這個案子這個提議我想我們會去部裡面會跟我們的文資司博物館的管理單位來做演繹我想這個要加快進行尤其這幾年這個整個恆春半島的觀光這個直線下滑我們也期待能夠有新的一個教育文化跟一個觀光景點的一個設施能夠帶動我們地方的觀光發展那最後我想\n\n05:38.388 --> 06:00.415\n我們除了這個要做一個硬體的建設那最重要的是我們也發現了目前這個化石的部分也暴露了我們台灣在化石保護上面的一個法制的一個空白化的一個狀況我們目前沒有一個化石的一個專法所以造成這個不管是文資保存法自然資源法還有國有財產法都沒辦法保護這些化石的資產\n\n06:01.255 --> 06:10.406\n造成挖到的化石沒有人管或是被蓄意迫害沒有法則甚至我們政府對這樣的一個保存有出現一個管理上的一些狀況那我想我們也會趕快著手來進行這個專法的一個討論跟規劃那在這邊我想\n\n06:16.152 --> 06:36.097\n也再特別感謝我們這個林井召委還有我們吳立委員希望未來我們趕快把這個專法訂定完之後然後趕快也把我們的這個展示館能夠開起來我想這就是對我們這個屏東縣是一個大事情我們都期待這個往這個正向的方向來努力也請文化部給我們大力的支持\n\n06:37.218 --> 06:52.808\n我想這一定要跨部會的一個協調跟努力因為如果挖出來的化石是屬於人類生活遺跡的話這個會是在我們文資法文化警官保護的裡面的範疇我們的史前博物館也可以介入那如果是純粹是生物的\n\n06:53.268 --> 07:12.596\n就像鯨魚這樣子它其實比較可能是就是剛剛講科博館或是海生館他們這個那這是教育部的業館範圍那我想兩個部會怎麼樣努力來合作對於這樣子的一個挖出來的化石能夠給予保存然後甚至後面的展示計畫這個我們一起來努力好嗎就我們私下了解那個地理下\n\n07:13.596 --> 07:26.078\n至少還有好幾隻金魚的化石在裡面所以這個是很重要的一個資產我們大家一起來努力好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝好謝謝謝謝徐副葵委員好次長請回我們接下來請\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.496,"end":14.347,"text":"謝謝主席 有請我們次長好 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