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00:02:18,724\n當然比較知道這個吳哥窟嘛然後又或者是金字塔這一些就是在觀光上面它其實是一個非常有名的一個世界遺產的據點那也就是說如果我們能夠爭取到有所謂的世界遺產其實對我們的整個觀光也是有很大的一個幫助那我請次長您來看一下這顆石頭您有沒有看過\n\n7\n00:02:26,592 --> 00:02:30,937\n這是泰雅族的SvayamSvayam就是公認泰雅民族的起源地\n\n8\n00:02:43,271 --> 00:02:58,740\n這很特別喔因為泰雅族就是根據研究他至少在這個地方起源是六千年前這是共同的歷史記憶而且更特別的是目前泰雅族分散在\n\n9\n00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:15,691\n台灣我們七個縣市但是他們就是公認共同的起源地就是這個地方這個跟我們一般的其他族群以我們排灣魯凱族來講可能隔壁的部落我們的起源神話就不一樣\n\n10\n00:03:16,636 --> 00:03:38,693\n但是泰雅族分散在七個縣市卻有共同的一個起源地我覺得這個很不容易那我也曾經很關心這個案子在五年前我也特別跟文資局那個地方就是有幫忙他們去申請泰雅族的遷徙路徑再造歷史場域計畫\n\n11\n00:03:40,194 --> 00:04:08,225\n還有泰雅起源地境但是說實在山景這些都我感受到地方感受到有一些些的困擾就是大家很難理解就是他就覺得他就一顆石頭然後跟泰雅自己族人原住民自己的感受完全不一樣那很高興的就是好不容易爭取了十多年終於在今年的年初\n\n12\n00:04:09,417 --> 00:04:34,645\n一月他已經申請到國家重要文資的一個身份那我們也會很希望說像這樣的一個有六千年歷史然後大家認為這個就是我們的起源地發散地而且呢他也正好位在台灣的整個心臟所以這個是一個如果說我們要拿來論述做文本\n\n13\n00:04:35,779 --> 00:05:01,367\n它其實是一個很棒的一個論述很棒的一個文本但是我會提到這個的原因是因為我覺得即便我們覺得多珍貴可能跟我們所制定的這些規範法律其實蠻辛苦的要爭取經費蠻辛苦的那我知道的是台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選及除名作業要點\n\n14\n00:05:03,103 --> 00:05:18,933\n有很重要的就是提到管理維護監測防救這也是各國世界遺產它面臨的一個保存危機那在這個地方我就很想要講的就是我們的這個保存\n\n15\n00:05:20,151 --> 00:05:47,914\n很重要那以我們目前這18處的潛力點我看到第17個第18個以排灣族盧凱族的石板屋來講屏東縣政府的提案跟台東縣政府的蘭嶼聚落與自然景觀那會提到說石板屋文本篆理的進度完成這個先期調研那蘭嶼的是文本篆理進度是已完成\n\n16\n00:05:48,936 --> 00:06:13,039\n那其實這個部分我們來看一下因為我也很關心舉個例子像我們的這個屏東縣政府的排灣族及盧凱族的石板屋聚落那我之前也希望說他能夠有一個用文資局這邊的保存維護計畫像我們看一下老七家以這個老七家來講他在2022年他有發生火災\n\n17\n00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:38,093\n那很高興有申請到一筆經費2023年的7月就修復然後呢2024年5月又申請到兩棟的一個搶修加固那實際上老七家石板屋或者是舊排灣石板屋它是一個很漂亮的一個聚落都還看得到那些石板屋如果要加那些斷元\n\n18\n00:06:39,614 --> 00:06:55,349\n蠶幣的像那些老的、舊的、來亦的舊石板屋群其實我們可以建構一個南部山區可以去恢復一個非常美麗的很多的石板屋聚落但是很辛苦的就是我們要透過重重的關卡什麼取得文資身份啊要加什麼計畫\n\n19\n00:07:01,155 --> 00:07:09,741\n但實際上這一些你看這個是目前我們生活的部落原本他可能在二三十年前還在部落當中的這些石板屋可是他也已經清皮毀壞那我們也不懂說還要按照國家的規矩去申請文資才能夠有修復的錢有的沒的其實蠻辛苦的我想在這個地方先請教一下次長\n\n20\n00:07:25,091 --> 00:07:25,833\n我講這樣的時候您有什麼樣的想法可以去搶救這一些東西\n\n21\n00:07:34,524 --> 00:07:55,414\n謝謝委員的提問我想怎麼樣搶救這個部落裡頭的包括鮮明的智慧這是文化遺產這件事情這是很美麗的遺產但是很辛苦每次一想到那些計畫核銷還要先申請文資身份這樣那樣很辛苦我們明明就是在跟時間賽跑\n\n22\n00:07:57,455 --> 00:08:10,163\n很辛苦我想文化部文思局能做的事情還是盡量我們在現有法因為每一筆預算的支出都必須要有法源也有根據也有計劃書那當然我們希望但是我們可以把規則弄得簡單一點快速一點吧怎麼樣更快速\n\n23\n00:08:13,985 --> 00:08:29,952\n所以我想這件事情如何讓申請的程序更簡化或是用實刊來代替文字用這些事情來怎麼取代我們來努力演繹一下這很多都是千年古城都非常的美麗在我看來非常具有潛力\n\n24\n00:08:31,132 --> 00:08:48,751\n好那我再舉一個例子你們的第18項蘭嶼那蘭嶼呢你們有提到了就是平板舟然後他們的地下屋好那我們來看一下齁那個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫齁今年秋天要開始次長你有聽說過這個計畫嗎\n\n25\n00:08:53,319 --> 00:09:06,688\n文總有補助文化總會有補助原民會也有補助那這個他們走的這個航道您看到的這個箭頭雙箭頭他就是三百年\n\n26\n00:09:07,549 --> 00:09:33,469\n的一個海洋谷他們已經有300年這是一個海洋谷到300年已經沒有航行了那這一次是恢復首航用拼板舟然後60個人一班次20個人三班次這樣子要航行到三天的時間三天兩夜要從蘭嶼要航行到巴丹島那這是300年的一個首航\n\n27\n00:09:34,690 --> 00:10:01,513\n他們目前還有百分之六十的語言可以相通但是他們巴丹島的地下屋啊已經消失兩百年因為被西班牙統治過殖民過所以呢蘭嶼還有地下屋也需要搶救那我是要這樣子說關於這個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫我們來看一下絲綢之路已經是世界遺產\n\n28\n00:10:03,403 --> 00:10:18,702\n鄭和下西洋泉州到南洋的海上絲路也準備申請世界遺產我就不曉得說我們文化部有沒有這個感動蘭嶼巴丹島這個海洋古道有沒有計畫要來申請啊\n\n29\n00:10:22,827 --> 00:10:40,572\n跟委員說明一下的確我就是透過文化總會來跟我們提這個案子那文化總會當時希望文化部能夠協助的就是說如果這一條行這樣我們怎麼樣給予一些宣傳讓大家知道有要做這樣子一件偉大的事情那就是\n\n30\n00:10:41,192 --> 00:11:05,139\n不巧的今年度文化部的所有文化宣傳行銷費用被刪到零所以在這一塊目前為止我們沒有辦法協助文化總會去做這件事情可是剛剛以委員跟我們的一個建議的說明我發現說如果這一條古道他或許我們在文資的身份上我們來考慮用什麼方法讓他可以在文資上面獲得一定的\n\n31\n00:11:06,539 --> 00:11:09,522\n所謂法定的身份然後我們來給予協助那我想你們也有講這個遺產力的計畫就是建制跨國合作的機制是很重要的所以我特別就是希望說請文資局能夠針對世界遺產潛力點的這些現況整合盤點那加速我們講的這些很重要的它的文本的一個篆擬\n\n32\n00:11:28,562 --> 00:11:33,506\n然後強化更重要的是他的保存維護計畫希望可以更簡便更快速不要讓大家覺得要等很久很複雜那也希望對於申請這種世界遺產國際合作的可能也能夠積極的來協助辦理\n\n33\n00:11:46,856 --> 00:12:02,957\n那次長我提出這樣的訴求那希望呢我們能夠很積極的態度來協助好嗎好謝謝委員那只是說報告的部分我們一定會做好時間能不能稍微給多一點的時間給兩個月好嗎OK好謝謝次長謝謝您謝謝局長謝謝好謝謝謝謝吳麗華委員次長請回我們接下來\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3611\t6273\t謝謝主席 有請次長好 有請次長次長好我們的世界遺產的潛力點目前是有18個嘛那如果說18個當中挑個兩個次長您覺得哪兩個最有機會去升登參與這個世界遺產的評選\n34585\t47459\t您個人我個人不敢挑只是我們推動會裡面的委員們曾經討論過這個議題目前大家是希望先推阿里山的林業暨鐵道文化景觀李鴻\n49841\t76358\t理由啊那當然一方面是高山鐵路這個是它有一個世界的共通性那可是這個共通性因為世界的這個高山鐵路也幾乎都在沒落都需要保存的地體所以這還有一個國際連結的部分那我們阿里山的鐵路一方面它的施工的工法跟它使用的火車頭目前來講都已經是在世界保存上是剩下唯一的一個所以我們認為那個\n77919\t98933\t我們也邀集了一些國外的委員包括UNESCO專門負責世界遺產的我們請他私底下來看過我們所有的案子之後其實都是建議說可能先以阿里山這個作為推動的主要目標可是我們其他的潛力點並沒有放棄基礎工作都還是一直在持續努力的\n99753\t115604\t那我想再請教次長就是如果我們來看全世界各地的世界遺產就是最容易出現在你腦海中的會是哪一個或者你去過哪裡又或者你最嚮往去哪裡\n117246\t138724\t當然比較知道這個吳哥窟嘛然後又或者是金字塔這一些就是在觀光上面它其實是一個非常有名的一個世界遺產的據點那也就是說如果我們能夠爭取到有所謂的世界遺產其實對我們的整個觀光也是有很大的一個幫助那我請次長您來看一下這顆石頭您有沒有看過\n146592\t150937\t這是泰雅族的SvayamSvayam就是公認泰雅民族的起源地\n163271\t178740\t這很特別喔因為泰雅族就是根據研究他至少在這個地方起源是六千年前這是共同的歷史記憶而且更特別的是目前泰雅族分散在\n179400\t195691\t台灣我們七個縣市但是他們就是公認共同的起源地就是這個地方這個跟我們一般的其他族群以我們排灣魯凱族來講可能隔壁的部落我們的起源神話就不一樣\n196636\t218693\t但是泰雅族分散在七個縣市卻有共同的一個起源地我覺得這個很不容易那我也曾經很關心這個案子在五年前我也特別跟文資局那個地方就是有幫忙他們去申請泰雅族的遷徙路徑再造歷史場域計畫\n220194\t248225\t還有泰雅起源地境但是說實在 山景這些都我感受到地方感受到有一些些的困擾就是大家很難理解就是他就覺得他就一顆石頭然後跟泰雅自己族人原住民自己的感受完全不一樣那很高興的就是好不容易爭取了十多年終於在今年的年初\n249417\t274645\t一月他已經申請到國家重要文資的一個身份那我們也會很希望說像這樣的一個有六千年歷史然後大家認為這個就是我們的起源地發散地而且呢他也正好位在台灣的整個心臟所以這個是一個如果說我們要拿來論述做文本\n275779\t301367\t它其實是一個很棒的一個論述很棒的一個文本但是我會提到這個的原因是因為我覺得即便我們覺得多珍貴可能跟我們所制定的這些規範法律其實蠻辛苦的要爭取經費蠻辛苦的那我知道的是台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選及除名作業要點\n303103\t318933\t有很重要的就是提到管理 維護 監測 防救這也是各國世界遺產它面臨的一個保存危機那在這個地方我就很想要講的就是我們的這個保存\n320151\t347914\t很重要那以我們目前這18處的潛力點我看到第17個第18個以排灣族盧凱族的石板屋來講屏東縣政府的提案跟台東縣政府的蘭嶼聚落與自然景觀那會提到說石板屋文本篆理的進度完成這個先期調研那蘭嶼的是文本篆理進度是已完成\n348936\t373039\t那其實這個部分我們來看一下因為我也很關心舉個例子像我們的這個屏東縣政府的排灣族及盧凱族的石板屋聚落那我之前也希望說他能夠有一個用文資局這邊的保存維護計畫像我們看一下老七家以這個老七家來講他在2022年他有發生火災\n374520\t398093\t那很高興有申請到一筆經費2023年的7月就修復然後呢2024年5月又申請到兩棟的一個搶修加固那實際上老七家石板屋或者是舊排灣石板屋它是一個很漂亮的一個聚落都還看得到那些石板屋如果要加那些斷元\n399614\t415349\t蠶幣的像那些老的、舊的、來亦的舊石板屋群其實我們可以建構一個南部山區可以去恢復一個非常美麗的很多的石板屋聚落但是很辛苦的就是我們要透過重重的關卡什麼取得文資身份啊要加什麼計畫\n421155\t429741\t但實際上這一些你看這個是目前我們生活的部落原本他可能在二三十年前還在部落當中的這些石板屋可是他也已經清皮毀壞那我們也不懂說還要按照國家的規矩去申請文資才能夠有修復的錢有的沒的其實蠻辛苦的我想在這個地方先請教一下次長\n445091\t445833\t我講這樣的時候 您有什麼樣的想法可以去搶救這一些東西\n454524\t475414\t謝謝委員的提問我想怎麼樣搶救這個部落裡頭的 包括鮮明的智慧這是文化遺產這件事情這是很美麗的遺產但是很辛苦每次一想到那些計畫 核銷還要先申請文資身份這樣那樣很辛苦我們明明就是在跟時間賽跑\n477455\t490163\t很辛苦我想文化部文思局能做的事情還是盡量我們在現有法因為每一筆預算的支出都必須要有法源也有根據也有計劃書那當然我們希望但是我們可以把規則弄得簡單一點快速一點吧怎麼樣更快速\n493985\t509952\t所以我想這件事情如何讓申請的程序更簡化或是用實刊來代替文字用這些事情來怎麼取代我們來努力演繹一下這很多都是千年古城都非常的美麗在我看來非常具有潛力\n511132\t528751\t好 那我再舉一個例子 你們的第18項 蘭嶼那蘭嶼呢 你們有提到了 就是平板舟然後他們的地下屋好 那我們來看一下齁 那個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫齁今年秋天要開始 次長你有聽說過這個計畫嗎\n533319\t546688\t文總有補助文化總會有補助原民會也有補助那這個他們走的這個航道您看到的這個箭頭雙箭頭他就是三百年\n547549\t573469\t的一個海洋谷 他們已經有300年這是一個海洋谷到300年已經沒有航行了那這一次是恢復首航用拼板舟 然後60個人一班次20個人 三班次這樣子要航行到三天的時間 三天兩夜要從蘭嶼要航行到巴丹島那這是300年的一個首航\n574690\t601513\t他們目前還有百分之六十的語言可以相通但是他們巴丹島的地下屋啊已經消失兩百年因為被西班牙統治過殖民過所以呢蘭嶼還有地下屋也需要搶救那我是要這樣子說關於這個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫我們來看一下絲綢之路已經是世界遺產\n603403\t618702\t鄭和下西洋 泉州到南洋的海上絲路也準備申請世界遺產我就不曉得說 我們文化部有沒有這個感動蘭嶼 巴丹島 這個海洋古道有沒有計畫要來申請啊\n622827\t640572\t跟委員說明一下的確我就是透過文化總會來跟我們提這個案子那文化總會當時希望文化部能夠協助的就是說如果這一條行這樣我們怎麼樣給予一些宣傳讓大家知道有要做這樣子一件偉大的事情那就是\n641192\t665139\t不巧的今年度文化部的所有文化宣傳行銷費用被刪到零所以在這一塊目前為止我們沒有辦法協助文化總會去做這件事情可是剛剛以委員跟我們的一個建議的說明我發現說如果這一條古道他或許我們在文資的身份上我們來考慮用什麼方法讓他可以在文資上面獲得一定的\n666539\t669522\t所謂法定的身份 然後我們來給予協助那我想你們也有講這個遺產力的計畫就是建制跨國合作的機制是很重要的所以我特別就是希望說請文資局能夠針對世界遺產潛力點的這些現況整合盤點那加速我們講的這些很重要的它的文本的一個篆擬\n688562\t693506\t然後強化更重要的是他的保存維護計畫希望可以更簡便更快速不要讓大家覺得要等很久很複雜那也希望對於申請這種世界遺產國際合作的可能也能夠積極的來協助辦理\n706856\t722957\t那次長我提出這樣的訴求那希望呢我們能夠很積極的態度來協助好嗎好謝謝委員那只是說報告的部分我們一定會做好時間能不能稍微給多一點的時間給兩個月好嗎OK好謝謝次長謝謝您謝謝局長謝謝好謝謝謝謝吳麗華委員次長請回我們接下來\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請次長好 有請次長次長好我們的世界遺產的潛力點目前是有18個嘛那如果說18個當中挑個兩個次長您覺得哪兩個最有機會去升登參與這個世界遺產的評選\n您個人我個人不敢挑只是我們推動會裡面的委員們曾經討論過這個議題目前大家是希望先推阿里山的林業暨鐵道文化景觀李鴻\n理由啊那當然一方面是高山鐵路這個是它有一個世界的共通性那可是這個共通性因為世界的這個高山鐵路也幾乎都在沒落都需要保存的地體所以這還有一個國際連結的部分那我們阿里山的鐵路一方面它的施工的工法跟它使用的火車頭目前來講都已經是在世界保存上是剩下唯一的一個所以我們認為那個\n我們也邀集了一些國外的委員包括UNESCO專門負責世界遺產的我們請他私底下來看過我們所有的案子之後其實都是建議說可能先以阿里山這個作為推動的主要目標可是我們其他的潛力點並沒有放棄基礎工作都還是一直在持續努力的\n那我想再請教次長就是如果我們來看全世界各地的世界遺產就是最容易出現在你腦海中的會是哪一個或者你去過哪裡又或者你最嚮往去哪裡\n當然比較知道這個吳哥窟嘛然後又或者是金字塔這一些就是在觀光上面它其實是一個非常有名的一個世界遺產的據點那也就是說如果我們能夠爭取到有所謂的世界遺產其實對我們的整個觀光也是有很大的一個幫助那我請次長您來看一下這顆石頭您有沒有看過\n這是泰雅族的SvayamSvayam就是公認泰雅民族的起源地\n這很特別喔因為泰雅族就是根據研究他至少在這個地方起源是六千年前這是共同的歷史記憶而且更特別的是目前泰雅族分散在\n台灣我們七個縣市但是他們就是公認共同的起源地就是這個地方這個跟我們一般的其他族群以我們排灣魯凱族來講可能隔壁的部落我們的起源神話就不一樣\n但是泰雅族分散在七個縣市卻有共同的一個起源地我覺得這個很不容易那我也曾經很關心這個案子在五年前我也特別跟文資局那個地方就是有幫忙他們去申請泰雅族的遷徙路徑再造歷史場域計畫\n還有泰雅起源地境但是說實在 山景這些都我感受到地方感受到有一些些的困擾就是大家很難理解就是他就覺得他就一顆石頭然後跟泰雅自己族人原住民自己的感受完全不一樣那很高興的就是好不容易爭取了十多年終於在今年的年初\n一月他已經申請到國家重要文資的一個身份那我們也會很希望說像這樣的一個有六千年歷史然後大家認為這個就是我們的起源地發散地而且呢他也正好位在台灣的整個心臟所以這個是一個如果說我們要拿來論述做文本\n它其實是一個很棒的一個論述很棒的一個文本但是我會提到這個的原因是因為我覺得即便我們覺得多珍貴可能跟我們所制定的這些規範法律其實蠻辛苦的要爭取經費蠻辛苦的那我知道的是台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選及除名作業要點\n有很重要的就是提到管理 維護 監測 防救這也是各國世界遺產它面臨的一個保存危機那在這個地方我就很想要講的就是我們的這個保存\n很重要那以我們目前這18處的潛力點我看到第17個第18個以排灣族盧凱族的石板屋來講屏東縣政府的提案跟台東縣政府的蘭嶼聚落與自然景觀那會提到說石板屋文本篆理的進度完成這個先期調研那蘭嶼的是文本篆理進度是已完成\n那其實這個部分我們來看一下因為我也很關心舉個例子像我們的這個屏東縣政府的排灣族及盧凱族的石板屋聚落那我之前也希望說他能夠有一個用文資局這邊的保存維護計畫像我們看一下老七家以這個老七家來講他在2022年他有發生火災\n那很高興有申請到一筆經費2023年的7月就修復然後呢2024年5月又申請到兩棟的一個搶修加固那實際上老七家石板屋或者是舊排灣石板屋它是一個很漂亮的一個聚落都還看得到那些石板屋如果要加那些斷元\n蠶幣的像那些老的、舊的、來亦的舊石板屋群其實我們可以建構一個南部山區可以去恢復一個非常美麗的很多的石板屋聚落但是很辛苦的就是我們要透過重重的關卡什麼取得文資身份啊要加什麼計畫\n但實際上這一些你看這個是目前我們生活的部落原本他可能在二三十年前還在部落當中的這些石板屋可是他也已經清皮毀壞那我們也不懂說還要按照國家的規矩去申請文資才能夠有修復的錢有的沒的其實蠻辛苦的我想在這個地方先請教一下次長\n我講這樣的時候 您有什麼樣的想法可以去搶救這一些東西\n謝謝委員的提問我想怎麼樣搶救這個部落裡頭的 包括鮮明的智慧這是文化遺產這件事情這是很美麗的遺產但是很辛苦每次一想到那些計畫 核銷還要先申請文資身份這樣那樣很辛苦我們明明就是在跟時間賽跑\n很辛苦我想文化部文思局能做的事情還是盡量我們在現有法因為每一筆預算的支出都必須要有法源也有根據也有計劃書那當然我們希望但是我們可以把規則弄得簡單一點快速一點吧怎麼樣更快速\n所以我想這件事情如何讓申請的程序更簡化或是用實刊來代替文字用這些事情來怎麼取代我們來努力演繹一下這很多都是千年古城都非常的美麗在我看來非常具有潛力\n好 那我再舉一個例子 你們的第18項 蘭嶼那蘭嶼呢 你們有提到了 就是平板舟然後他們的地下屋好 那我們來看一下齁 那個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫齁今年秋天要開始 次長你有聽說過這個計畫嗎\n文總有補助文化總會有補助原民會也有補助那這個他們走的這個航道您看到的這個箭頭雙箭頭他就是三百年\n的一個海洋谷 他們已經有300年這是一個海洋谷到300年已經沒有航行了那這一次是恢復首航用拼板舟 然後60個人一班次20個人 三班次這樣子要航行到三天的時間 三天兩夜要從蘭嶼要航行到巴丹島那這是300年的一個首航\n他們目前還有百分之六十的語言可以相通但是他們巴丹島的地下屋啊已經消失兩百年因為被西班牙統治過殖民過所以呢蘭嶼還有地下屋也需要搶救那我是要這樣子說關於這個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫我們來看一下絲綢之路已經是世界遺產\n鄭和下西洋 泉州到南洋的海上絲路也準備申請世界遺產我就不曉得說 我們文化部有沒有這個感動蘭嶼 巴丹島 這個海洋古道有沒有計畫要來申請啊\n跟委員說明一下的確我就是透過文化總會來跟我們提這個案子那文化總會當時希望文化部能夠協助的就是說如果這一條行這樣我們怎麼樣給予一些宣傳讓大家知道有要做這樣子一件偉大的事情那就是\n不巧的今年度文化部的所有文化宣傳行銷費用被刪到零所以在這一塊目前為止我們沒有辦法協助文化總會去做這件事情可是剛剛以委員跟我們的一個建議的說明我發現說如果這一條古道他或許我們在文資的身份上我們來考慮用什麼方法讓他可以在文資上面獲得一定的\n所謂法定的身份 然後我們來給予協助那我想你們也有講這個遺產力的計畫就是建制跨國合作的機制是很重要的所以我特別就是希望說請文資局能夠針對世界遺產潛力點的這些現況整合盤點那加速我們講的這些很重要的它的文本的一個篆擬\n然後強化更重要的是他的保存維護計畫希望可以更簡便更快速不要讓大家覺得要等很久很複雜那也希望對於申請這種世界遺產國際合作的可能也能夠積極的來協助辦理\n那次長我提出這樣的訴求那希望呢我們能夠很積極的態度來協助好嗎好謝謝委員那只是說報告的部分我們一定會做好時間能不能稍微給多一點的時間給兩個月好嗎OK好謝謝次長謝謝您謝謝局長謝謝好謝謝謝謝吳麗華委員次長請回我們接下來\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.611 --> 00:06.273\n謝謝主席有請次長好有請次長次長好我們的世界遺產的潛力點目前是有18個嘛那如果說18個當中挑個兩個次長您覺得哪兩個最有機會去升登參與這個世界遺產的評選\n\n00:34.585 --> 00:47.459\n您個人我個人不敢挑只是我們推動會裡面的委員們曾經討論過這個議題目前大家是希望先推阿里山的林業暨鐵道文化景觀李鴻\n\n00:49.841 --> 01:16.358\n理由啊那當然一方面是高山鐵路這個是它有一個世界的共通性那可是這個共通性因為世界的這個高山鐵路也幾乎都在沒落都需要保存的地體所以這還有一個國際連結的部分那我們阿里山的鐵路一方面它的施工的工法跟它使用的火車頭目前來講都已經是在世界保存上是剩下唯一的一個所以我們認為那個\n\n01:17.919 --> 01:38.933\n我們也邀集了一些國外的委員包括UNESCO專門負責世界遺產的我們請他私底下來看過我們所有的案子之後其實都是建議說可能先以阿里山這個作為推動的主要目標可是我們其他的潛力點並沒有放棄基礎工作都還是一直在持續努力的\n\n01:39.753 --> 01:55.604\n那我想再請教次長就是如果我們來看全世界各地的世界遺產就是最容易出現在你腦海中的會是哪一個或者你去過哪裡又或者你最嚮往去哪裡\n\n01:57.246 --> 02:18.724\n當然比較知道這個吳哥窟嘛然後又或者是金字塔這一些就是在觀光上面它其實是一個非常有名的一個世界遺產的據點那也就是說如果我們能夠爭取到有所謂的世界遺產其實對我們的整個觀光也是有很大的一個幫助那我請次長您來看一下這顆石頭您有沒有看過\n\n02:26.592 --> 02:30.937\n這是泰雅族的SvayamSvayam就是公認泰雅民族的起源地\n\n02:43.271 --> 02:58.740\n這很特別喔因為泰雅族就是根據研究他至少在這個地方起源是六千年前這是共同的歷史記憶而且更特別的是目前泰雅族分散在\n\n02:59.400 --> 03:15.691\n台灣我們七個縣市但是他們就是公認共同的起源地就是這個地方這個跟我們一般的其他族群以我們排灣魯凱族來講可能隔壁的部落我們的起源神話就不一樣\n\n03:16.636 --> 03:38.693\n但是泰雅族分散在七個縣市卻有共同的一個起源地我覺得這個很不容易那我也曾經很關心這個案子在五年前我也特別跟文資局那個地方就是有幫忙他們去申請泰雅族的遷徙路徑再造歷史場域計畫\n\n03:40.194 --> 04:08.225\n還有泰雅起源地境但是說實在山景這些都我感受到地方感受到有一些些的困擾就是大家很難理解就是他就覺得他就一顆石頭然後跟泰雅自己族人原住民自己的感受完全不一樣那很高興的就是好不容易爭取了十多年終於在今年的年初\n\n04:09.417 --> 04:34.645\n一月他已經申請到國家重要文資的一個身份那我們也會很希望說像這樣的一個有六千年歷史然後大家認為這個就是我們的起源地發散地而且呢他也正好位在台灣的整個心臟所以這個是一個如果說我們要拿來論述做文本\n\n04:35.779 --> 05:01.367\n它其實是一個很棒的一個論述很棒的一個文本但是我會提到這個的原因是因為我覺得即便我們覺得多珍貴可能跟我們所制定的這些規範法律其實蠻辛苦的要爭取經費蠻辛苦的那我知道的是台灣世界遺產潛力點的遴選及除名作業要點\n\n05:03.103 --> 05:18.933\n有很重要的就是提到管理維護監測防救這也是各國世界遺產它面臨的一個保存危機那在這個地方我就很想要講的就是我們的這個保存\n\n05:20.151 --> 05:47.914\n很重要那以我們目前這18處的潛力點我看到第17個第18個以排灣族盧凱族的石板屋來講屏東縣政府的提案跟台東縣政府的蘭嶼聚落與自然景觀那會提到說石板屋文本篆理的進度完成這個先期調研那蘭嶼的是文本篆理進度是已完成\n\n05:48.936 --> 06:13.039\n那其實這個部分我們來看一下因為我也很關心舉個例子像我們的這個屏東縣政府的排灣族及盧凱族的石板屋聚落那我之前也希望說他能夠有一個用文資局這邊的保存維護計畫像我們看一下老七家以這個老七家來講他在2022年他有發生火災\n\n06:14.520 --> 06:38.093\n那很高興有申請到一筆經費2023年的7月就修復然後呢2024年5月又申請到兩棟的一個搶修加固那實際上老七家石板屋或者是舊排灣石板屋它是一個很漂亮的一個聚落都還看得到那些石板屋如果要加那些斷元\n\n06:39.614 --> 06:55.349\n蠶幣的像那些老的、舊的、來亦的舊石板屋群其實我們可以建構一個南部山區可以去恢復一個非常美麗的很多的石板屋聚落但是很辛苦的就是我們要透過重重的關卡什麼取得文資身份啊要加什麼計畫\n\n07:01.155 --> 07:09.741\n但實際上這一些你看這個是目前我們生活的部落原本他可能在二三十年前還在部落當中的這些石板屋可是他也已經清皮毀壞那我們也不懂說還要按照國家的規矩去申請文資才能夠有修復的錢有的沒的其實蠻辛苦的我想在這個地方先請教一下次長\n\n07:25.091 --> 07:25.833\n我講這樣的時候您有什麼樣的想法可以去搶救這一些東西\n\n07:34.524 --> 07:55.414\n謝謝委員的提問我想怎麼樣搶救這個部落裡頭的包括鮮明的智慧這是文化遺產這件事情這是很美麗的遺產但是很辛苦每次一想到那些計畫核銷還要先申請文資身份這樣那樣很辛苦我們明明就是在跟時間賽跑\n\n07:57.455 --> 08:10.163\n很辛苦我想文化部文思局能做的事情還是盡量我們在現有法因為每一筆預算的支出都必須要有法源也有根據也有計劃書那當然我們希望但是我們可以把規則弄得簡單一點快速一點吧怎麼樣更快速\n\n08:13.985 --> 08:29.952\n所以我想這件事情如何讓申請的程序更簡化或是用實刊來代替文字用這些事情來怎麼取代我們來努力演繹一下這很多都是千年古城都非常的美麗在我看來非常具有潛力\n\n08:31.132 --> 08:48.751\n好那我再舉一個例子你們的第18項蘭嶼那蘭嶼呢你們有提到了就是平板舟然後他們的地下屋好那我們來看一下齁那個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫齁今年秋天要開始次長你有聽說過這個計畫嗎\n\n08:53.319 --> 09:06.688\n文總有補助文化總會有補助原民會也有補助那這個他們走的這個航道您看到的這個箭頭雙箭頭他就是三百年\n\n09:07.549 --> 09:33.469\n的一個海洋谷他們已經有300年這是一個海洋谷到300年已經沒有航行了那這一次是恢復首航用拼板舟然後60個人一班次20個人三班次這樣子要航行到三天的時間三天兩夜要從蘭嶼要航行到巴丹島那這是300年的一個首航\n\n09:34.690 --> 10:01.513\n他們目前還有百分之六十的語言可以相通但是他們巴丹島的地下屋啊已經消失兩百年因為被西班牙統治過殖民過所以呢蘭嶼還有地下屋也需要搶救那我是要這樣子說關於這個蘭嶼巴丹島的航行計畫我們來看一下絲綢之路已經是世界遺產\n\n10:03.403 --> 10:18.702\n鄭和下西洋泉州到南洋的海上絲路也準備申請世界遺產我就不曉得說我們文化部有沒有這個感動蘭嶼巴丹島這個海洋古道有沒有計畫要來申請啊\n\n10:22.827 --> 10:40.572\n跟委員說明一下的確我就是透過文化總會來跟我們提這個案子那文化總會當時希望文化部能夠協助的就是說如果這一條行這樣我們怎麼樣給予一些宣傳讓大家知道有要做這樣子一件偉大的事情那就是\n\n10:41.192 --> 11:05.139\n不巧的今年度文化部的所有文化宣傳行銷費用被刪到零所以在這一塊目前為止我們沒有辦法協助文化總會去做這件事情可是剛剛以委員跟我們的一個建議的說明我發現說如果這一條古道他或許我們在文資的身份上我們來考慮用什麼方法讓他可以在文資上面獲得一定的\n\n11:06.539 --> 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