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00:03:14,567\n原委員報告,不只是這個個案,有很多案在核定過程也因為種種因素,那麼有重新再檢討,那麼再審議,並不會是針對這個個案說258天沒有核定那這樣的行政效應您認為合理嗎?\n\n10\n00:03:21,598 --> 00:03:41,855\n不是行政效率有的大概基於整體的考量或是經費或者是相關因為時間的延宕他會影響到工程的經費那他已經卡在行政院258天那他這個計畫他的基電後擴期限也從去年的6月19號延到今年的6月19號那所以您知道這個嚴重性嗎\n\n11\n00:03:44,219 --> 00:04:03,116\n當然這個整個計劃能夠如期如止來解決民眾的需求是行政院一向的目標如果說有一些狀況不允許不只這個山陰縣還有其他重大建設整個進度也都\n\n12\n00:04:03,756 --> 00:04:30,582\n本期今天要和主委討論的是經費的問題因為是時間上面行政效率的問題那我這邊要舉我們桃園綠線延伸到中壢的後擴經費大漲的案例嘛那這個計畫原本是在2017年後擴它預算編列90億2018年呢決標調整到97億那沒有想到當時呢隨著COVID-19還有烏鴉戰爭還有缺工缺料等因素加上美國關稅等種種因素影響下\n\n13\n00:04:31,542 --> 00:04:53,211\n那最後在2025年也就是今年他調漲到了220億從原先編列的90億調漲到了221億他的漲幅呢非常驚人高達144%那本不希望捷運三陰線他變成下一個代價高昂的拖延那書偉這部分您能來協助嗎我想這個\n\n14\n00:04:56,772 --> 00:05:10,467\n增為220億的部分不單純是物條不單純是物價那會有怎樣的新因素請主委說明我印象所及這個縣應該有一些涉戰的涉戰或設計的改變的問題那\n\n15\n00:05:16,153 --> 00:05:34,389\n其他的重大建設我想行政院會整體來考量優先次序然後盡量滿足地方的需求是那本席剛剛也有提到這條三陰線延伸到桃園八德它如果沒有辦法在今年6月19號獲得核定那它一定接下來也會經費也會實質的暴增\n\n16\n00:05:37,062 --> 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