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00:01:23,624\n就是主委因為您雖然是說工程委員會的主委他不用去對其他的部會做相關的一個指導因為你們就依法規來去辦理這個事務跟做法律的解釋但是因為曾經的主委您是身兼行政院的政務委員\n\n6\n00:01:24,444 --> 00:01:46,384\n那所以說在這個許多的部會的業務推行推展的話您是非常清楚的所以我會建議說主委針對這個目前包括像剛才所電動車的這個電信電池還是不是能夠複製相關產業除了在是否為陸資的一個認定跟契約採購的這個解釋之外我覺得其實可以更有更大的一個\n\n7\n00:01:47,365 --> 00:01:58,599\n這就是責任是說如果是相關的這培育我們國內的產業啊那能夠具有競爭力啊那您有曾委員的身份應該也可以給有更多的建議啊好不好\n\n8\n00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:28,289\n經濟部來了解好那再來的話針對5月11號您在宜蘭這邊有提到工地放領的政策那當然說你是去特別針對宜蘭蘇澳的台拓的土地80公頃在未來來講3月要完成放領那甚至是內政部跟財政部以及宜蘭縣政府還不得超過8月底那當然說在網路跟媒體的討論當然是好壞都有\n\n9\n00:02:28,789 --> 00:02:42,340\n但是我是覺得當然只要還地於民還對於我們農民的一個就是相關的權益能夠獲得提升那絕對是一個正向的事情那但是在後續來講的話其實整個\n\n10\n00:02:44,682 --> 00:03:02,970\n在全台的相關公定放領的一個政策我相信這個議題其實主委也主導了許久那除了宜蘭之外後續全台灣的一個公定放領包括台拓或是其他的一個國土地放領的一個方向上是不是可以趁這個機會再說明一下\n\n11\n00:03:05,902 --> 00:03:19,868\n南澳台拓地的部分主要是因為它是平地耕地20年前就審查通過要放民20年前就經過內政部的公立放民審議委內審議原則通過放民\n\n12\n00:03:23,749 --> 00:03:51,930\n那後來因為其他的因素這個放臨就停下來停下來20年所以這次是重新檢視當年已經審查通過的個案來試辦那事實上準備了很久將近一年的時間我說三個月是因為都已經進行的相關都已經有名冊照冊什麼都有了所以現在只是要進行相關的分割等等所以三個月是OK的\n\n13\n00:03:52,170 --> 00:04:11,542\n我今天來講對這個政策我是樂觀其成因為從921討治颱風之後從2002年到2008年工地放飲其實是陸續的停辦到現在所以就像你剛才所提到這20年那在宜蘭的話我坦白講這個先不說是否是因為選舉或是政策的一個特別的一個\n\n14\n00:04:12,423 --> 00:04:38,659\n一個選舉的規劃那我是說像南投縣的話其實有許多還期待著就是公立放嶺政策或者像是相關的林場或是像是竹山的瑞竹鼎林大安合作社台中南投至少有11000公頃將近8000餘戶那我想知道在規劃上在未來南投公立放嶺的一個規劃跟啟程或是相關的計畫如何因為我不希望是只有宜蘭而已\n\n15\n00:04:40,287 --> 00:05:03,384\n報告委員我剛剛講說是事辦事辦是挑以前已經核准的那這裡放零的部分包括平地耕地還有山坡地還有養殖用地甚至園墾農各式各樣的樣態不同那我想這個主辦機關是內政部那內政部自然他們會根據他們的規劃去考量我想這個是內政部會有所討論\n\n16\n00:05:04,966 --> 00:05:20,162\n那沒關係因為其實您是政務委員那其實對於這個議題你也關心許久啊那所以說不要說是在宜蘭那我也希望說同樣在您在督導的業務來講在南投縣那其實許多的農民他們也在期待的看到\n\n17\n00:05:20,783 --> 00:05:33,309\n宜蘭縣的這個政策出來的時候事辦政策出來的時候就有許多的民眾農民來問我因為我地方的區域立委啊那他們就會說那南投的相關的工地放零什麼時候會開始來進行那我們同時也必須要對民眾來進行回應說明\n\n18\n00:05:35,888 --> 00:05:54,378\n因為是適用不同的法規他每個機關每個用地是不同的法規平地是平地那所以說目前來講的話這公立放棄就只有宜蘭說好的這一件有他的法規的就已經可以來進行那未來有沒有第二階段其他法規可能要再去中整所以所以只有針對宜蘭\n\n19\n00:05:55,058 --> 00:06:11,377\n不會內政部是針對這件事辦之後他會他的衡量是不是有一些法規要修正等等才進一步我想可能你可以向內政部去了解那我還是要麻煩陳主委因為你對南投也有幫忙啦那個開閉颱風\n\n20\n00:06:12,438 --> 00:06:37,894\n那我也希望說您是政務委員的身份也能夠幫忙南投農民而不只是在宜蘭那因為內政部的話他們現在的話整個心思都在是不是改中正路中山路來您我的母校中正大學都可能都有受到波及的可能性啊所以我坦白講工地販領的話也是內政部主管的業務那如果可以的話麻煩您用政務委員的身份能夠盡量的來協助讓我們南投能夠早日有工地販領的一個示範或好成績啊\n\n21\n00:06:40,234 --> 00:06:56,736\n繼續去了解相關的法規目前的適用的狀況那有需要調整有需要修正有需要整理的我會督促內政部來辦理好謝謝那最後的話這時間我再補充就是公共工程採購案的話在目前來講碳排係數跟管理規範\n\n22\n00:06:57,677 --> 00:07:13,692\n是不是能夠有針對各縣市來去做一個連結或是包括各縣市能夠做配合以及包括是否規定廠商要提供碳排的報告那目前所做的這個提供報告的比例參與的比例以及說碳足跡是否納入評選的標準跟時程\n\n23\n00:07:15,473 --> 00:07:30,272\n那同時碳足跡的一個資料庫的建置還有綠色材料優先採購以及對中小企業的輔導及補助機制因為時間有限所以再麻煩工程會能夠用書面的方式再提供一個分析好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4522\t6485\t謝謝召委 謝謝主席 有請陳建特主委請主委\n14992\t33267\t委員好主委好那延續剛才鍾嘉賓委員所提到的這個部分那當然說目前來講在工程委員會在許多企業的部分模組的部分那有一個指導跟包括法規的主委機關的一個角色但是剛才所提到這蠻有趣的就是\n34088\t51807\t川普的這個衝擊之下那到底是是要排路還是要針對這個我們的產業來去進行這個扶植啊那我覺得說光誠委員會雖然是在政府採購法跟包括的政府的採購契約上面是主管機關但是\n52808\t66813\t有些的一個是不是能夠扶植像你剛才講到電動汽車的這個電型電池到底是陸資還是在我們國內來講是不是有扶植相關的一些產業它能夠有這些補貼措施那我是覺得說\n68154\t83624\t就是主委因為您雖然是說工程委員會的主委他不用去對其他的部會做相關的一個指導因為你們就依法規來去辦理這個事務跟做法律的解釋但是因為曾經的主委您是身兼行政院的政務委員\n84444\t106384\t那所以說在這個許多的部會的業務推行推展的話您是非常清楚的所以我會建議說主委針對這個目前包括像剛才所電動車的這個電信電池還是不是能夠複製相關產業除了在是否為陸資的一個認定跟契約採購的這個解釋之外我覺得其實可以更有更大的一個\n107365\t118599\t這就是責任是說如果是相關的這培育我們國內的產業啊那能夠具有競爭力啊那您有曾委員的身份應該也可以給有更多的建議啊好不好\n120520\t148289\t經濟部來了解好那再來的話針對5月11號您在宜蘭這邊有提到工地放領的政策那當然說你是去特別針對宜蘭蘇澳的台拓的土地80公頃在未來來講3月要完成放領那甚至是內政部跟財政部以及宜蘭縣政府還不得超過8月底那當然說在網路跟媒體的討論當然是好壞都有\n148789\t162340\t但是我是覺得當然只要還地於民還對於我們農民的一個就是相關的權益能夠獲得提升那絕對是一個正向的事情那但是在後續來講的話其實整個\n164682\t182970\t在全台的相關公定放領的一個政策我相信這個議題其實主委也主導了許久那除了宜蘭之外後續全台灣的一個公定放領包括台拓或是其他的一個國土地放領的一個方向上是不是可以趁這個機會再說明一下\n185902\t199868\t南澳台拓地的部分主要是因為它是平地耕地20年前就審查通過要放民20年前就經過內政部的公立放民審議委內審議原則通過放民\n203749\t231930\t那後來因為其他的因素這個放臨就停下來停下來20年所以這次是重新檢視當年已經審查通過的個案來試辦那事實上準備了很久將近一年的時間我說三個月是因為都已經進行的相關都已經有名冊照冊什麼都有了所以現在只是要進行相關的分割等等所以三個月是OK的\n232170\t251542\t我今天來講對這個政策我是樂觀其成因為從921討治颱風之後從2002年到2008年工地放飲其實是陸續的停辦到現在所以就像你剛才所提到這20年那在宜蘭的話我坦白講這個先不說是否是因為選舉或是政策的一個特別的一個\n252423\t278659\t一個選舉的規劃那我是說像南投縣的話其實有許多還期待著就是公立放嶺政策或者像是相關的林場或是像是竹山的瑞竹鼎林大安合作社台中南投至少有11000公頃將近8000餘戶那我想知道在規劃上在未來南投公立放嶺的一個規劃跟啟程或是相關的計畫如何因為我不希望是只有宜蘭而已\n280287\t303384\t報告委員我剛剛講說是事辦事辦是挑以前已經核准的那這裡放零的部分包括平地耕地還有山坡地還有養殖用地甚至園墾農各式各樣的樣態不同那我想這個主辦機關是內政部那內政部自然他們會根據他們的規劃去考量我想這個是內政部會有所討論\n304966\t320162\t那沒關係因為其實您是政務委員那其實對於這個議題你也關心許久啊那所以說不要說是在宜蘭那我也希望說同樣在您在督導的業務來講在南投縣那其實許多的農民他們也在期待的看到\n320783\t333309\t宜蘭縣的這個政策出來的時候事辦政策出來的時候就有許多的民眾農民來問我因為我地方的區域立委啊那他們就會說那南投的相關的工地放零什麼時候會開始來進行那我們同時也必須要對民眾來進行回應說明\n335888\t354378\t因為是適用不同的法規他每個機關每個用地是不同的法規平地是平地那所以說目前來講的話這公立放棄就只有宜蘭說好的這一件有他的法規的就已經可以來進行那未來有沒有第二階段其他法規可能要再去中整所以所以只有針對宜蘭\n355058\t371377\t不會內政部是針對這件事辦之後他會他的衡量是不是有一些法規要修正等等才進一步我想可能你可以向內政部去了解那我還是要麻煩陳主委因為你對南投也有幫忙啦那個開閉颱風\n372438\t397894\t那我也希望說您是政務委員的身份也能夠幫忙南投農民而不只是在宜蘭那因為內政部的話他們現在的話整個心思都在是不是改中正路中山路來您我的母校中正大學都可能都有受到波及的可能性啊所以我坦白講工地販領的話也是內政部主管的業務那如果可以的話麻煩您用政務委員的身份能夠盡量的來協助讓我們南投能夠早日有工地販領的一個示範或好成績啊\n400234\t416736\t繼續去了解相關的法規目前的適用的狀況那有需要調整有需要修正有需要整理的我會督促內政部來辦理好 謝謝那最後的話這時間我再補充就是公共工程採購案的話在目前來講碳排係數跟管理規範\n417677\t433692\t是不是能夠有針對各縣市來去做一個連結或是包括各縣市能夠做配合以及包括是否規定廠商要提供碳排的報告那目前所做的這個提供報告的比例參與的比例以及說碳足跡是否納入評選的標準跟時程\n435473\t450272\t那同時碳足跡的一個資料庫的建置還有綠色材料優先採購以及對中小企業的輔導及補助機制因為時間有限所以再麻煩工程會能夠用書面的方式再提供一個分析好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝召委 謝謝主席 有請陳建特主委請主委\n委員好主委好那延續剛才鍾嘉賓委員所提到的這個部分那當然說目前來講在工程委員會在許多企業的部分模組的部分那有一個指導跟包括法規的主委機關的一個角色但是剛才所提到這蠻有趣的就是\n川普的這個衝擊之下那到底是是要排路還是要針對這個我們的產業來去進行這個扶植啊那我覺得說光誠委員會雖然是在政府採購法跟包括的政府的採購契約上面是主管機關但是\n有些的一個是不是能夠扶植像你剛才講到電動汽車的這個電型電池到底是陸資還是在我們國內來講是不是有扶植相關的一些產業它能夠有這些補貼措施那我是覺得說\n就是主委因為您雖然是說工程委員會的主委他不用去對其他的部會做相關的一個指導因為你們就依法規來去辦理這個事務跟做法律的解釋但是因為曾經的主委您是身兼行政院的政務委員\n那所以說在這個許多的部會的業務推行推展的話您是非常清楚的所以我會建議說主委針對這個目前包括像剛才所電動車的這個電信電池還是不是能夠複製相關產業除了在是否為陸資的一個認定跟契約採購的這個解釋之外我覺得其實可以更有更大的一個\n這就是責任是說如果是相關的這培育我們國內的產業啊那能夠具有競爭力啊那您有曾委員的身份應該也可以給有更多的建議啊好不好\n經濟部來了解好那再來的話針對5月11號您在宜蘭這邊有提到工地放領的政策那當然說你是去特別針對宜蘭蘇澳的台拓的土地80公頃在未來來講3月要完成放領那甚至是內政部跟財政部以及宜蘭縣政府還不得超過8月底那當然說在網路跟媒體的討論當然是好壞都有\n但是我是覺得當然只要還地於民還對於我們農民的一個就是相關的權益能夠獲得提升那絕對是一個正向的事情那但是在後續來講的話其實整個\n在全台的相關公定放領的一個政策我相信這個議題其實主委也主導了許久那除了宜蘭之外後續全台灣的一個公定放領包括台拓或是其他的一個國土地放領的一個方向上是不是可以趁這個機會再說明一下\n南澳台拓地的部分主要是因為它是平地耕地20年前就審查通過要放民20年前就經過內政部的公立放民審議委內審議原則通過放民\n那後來因為其他的因素這個放臨就停下來停下來20年所以這次是重新檢視當年已經審查通過的個案來試辦那事實上準備了很久將近一年的時間我說三個月是因為都已經進行的相關都已經有名冊照冊什麼都有了所以現在只是要進行相關的分割等等所以三個月是OK的\n我今天來講對這個政策我是樂觀其成因為從921討治颱風之後從2002年到2008年工地放飲其實是陸續的停辦到現在所以就像你剛才所提到這20年那在宜蘭的話我坦白講這個先不說是否是因為選舉或是政策的一個特別的一個\n一個選舉的規劃那我是說像南投縣的話其實有許多還期待著就是公立放嶺政策或者像是相關的林場或是像是竹山的瑞竹鼎林大安合作社台中南投至少有11000公頃將近8000餘戶那我想知道在規劃上在未來南投公立放嶺的一個規劃跟啟程或是相關的計畫如何因為我不希望是只有宜蘭而已\n報告委員我剛剛講說是事辦事辦是挑以前已經核准的那這裡放零的部分包括平地耕地還有山坡地還有養殖用地甚至園墾農各式各樣的樣態不同那我想這個主辦機關是內政部那內政部自然他們會根據他們的規劃去考量我想這個是內政部會有所討論\n那沒關係因為其實您是政務委員那其實對於這個議題你也關心許久啊那所以說不要說是在宜蘭那我也希望說同樣在您在督導的業務來講在南投縣那其實許多的農民他們也在期待的看到\n宜蘭縣的這個政策出來的時候事辦政策出來的時候就有許多的民眾農民來問我因為我地方的區域立委啊那他們就會說那南投的相關的工地放零什麼時候會開始來進行那我們同時也必須要對民眾來進行回應說明\n因為是適用不同的法規他每個機關每個用地是不同的法規平地是平地那所以說目前來講的話這公立放棄就只有宜蘭說好的這一件有他的法規的就已經可以來進行那未來有沒有第二階段其他法規可能要再去中整所以所以只有針對宜蘭\n不會內政部是針對這件事辦之後他會他的衡量是不是有一些法規要修正等等才進一步我想可能你可以向內政部去了解那我還是要麻煩陳主委因為你對南投也有幫忙啦那個開閉颱風\n那我也希望說您是政務委員的身份也能夠幫忙南投農民而不只是在宜蘭那因為內政部的話他們現在的話整個心思都在是不是改中正路中山路來您我的母校中正大學都可能都有受到波及的可能性啊所以我坦白講工地販領的話也是內政部主管的業務那如果可以的話麻煩您用政務委員的身份能夠盡量的來協助讓我們南投能夠早日有工地販領的一個示範或好成績啊\n繼續去了解相關的法規目前的適用的狀況那有需要調整有需要修正有需要整理的我會督促內政部來辦理好 謝謝那最後的話這時間我再補充就是公共工程採購案的話在目前來講碳排係數跟管理規範\n是不是能夠有針對各縣市來去做一個連結或是包括各縣市能夠做配合以及包括是否規定廠商要提供碳排的報告那目前所做的這個提供報告的比例參與的比例以及說碳足跡是否納入評選的標準跟時程\n那同時碳足跡的一個資料庫的建置還有綠色材料優先採購以及對中小企業的輔導及補助機制因為時間有限所以再麻煩工程會能夠用書面的方式再提供一個分析好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.522 --> 00:06.485\n謝謝召委謝謝主席有請陳建特主委請主委\n\n00:14.992 --> 00:33.267\n委員好主委好那延續剛才鍾嘉賓委員所提到的這個部分那當然說目前來講在工程委員會在許多企業的部分模組的部分那有一個指導跟包括法規的主委機關的一個角色但是剛才所提到這蠻有趣的就是\n\n00:34.088 --> 00:51.807\n川普的這個衝擊之下那到底是是要排路還是要針對這個我們的產業來去進行這個扶植啊那我覺得說光誠委員會雖然是在政府採購法跟包括的政府的採購契約上面是主管機關但是\n\n00:52.808 --> 01:06.813\n有些的一個是不是能夠扶植像你剛才講到電動汽車的這個電型電池到底是陸資還是在我們國內來講是不是有扶植相關的一些產業它能夠有這些補貼措施那我是覺得說\n\n01:08.154 --> 01:23.624\n就是主委因為您雖然是說工程委員會的主委他不用去對其他的部會做相關的一個指導因為你們就依法規來去辦理這個事務跟做法律的解釋但是因為曾經的主委您是身兼行政院的政務委員\n\n01:24.444 --> 01:46.384\n那所以說在這個許多的部會的業務推行推展的話您是非常清楚的所以我會建議說主委針對這個目前包括像剛才所電動車的這個電信電池還是不是能夠複製相關產業除了在是否為陸資的一個認定跟契約採購的這個解釋之外我覺得其實可以更有更大的一個\n\n01:47.365 --> 01:58.599\n這就是責任是說如果是相關的這培育我們國內的產業啊那能夠具有競爭力啊那您有曾委員的身份應該也可以給有更多的建議啊好不好\n\n02:00.520 --> 02:28.289\n經濟部來了解好那再來的話針對5月11號您在宜蘭這邊有提到工地放領的政策那當然說你是去特別針對宜蘭蘇澳的台拓的土地80公頃在未來來講3月要完成放領那甚至是內政部跟財政部以及宜蘭縣政府還不得超過8月底那當然說在網路跟媒體的討論當然是好壞都有\n\n02:28.789 --> 02:42.340\n但是我是覺得當然只要還地於民還對於我們農民的一個就是相關的權益能夠獲得提升那絕對是一個正向的事情那但是在後續來講的話其實整個\n\n02:44.682 --> 03:02.970\n在全台的相關公定放領的一個政策我相信這個議題其實主委也主導了許久那除了宜蘭之外後續全台灣的一個公定放領包括台拓或是其他的一個國土地放領的一個方向上是不是可以趁這個機會再說明一下\n\n03:05.902 --> 03:19.868\n南澳台拓地的部分主要是因為它是平地耕地20年前就審查通過要放民20年前就經過內政部的公立放民審議委內審議原則通過放民\n\n03:23.749 --> 03:51.930\n那後來因為其他的因素這個放臨就停下來停下來20年所以這次是重新檢視當年已經審查通過的個案來試辦那事實上準備了很久將近一年的時間我說三個月是因為都已經進行的相關都已經有名冊照冊什麼都有了所以現在只是要進行相關的分割等等所以三個月是OK的\n\n03:52.170 --> 04:11.542\n我今天來講對這個政策我是樂觀其成因為從921討治颱風之後從2002年到2008年工地放飲其實是陸續的停辦到現在所以就像你剛才所提到這20年那在宜蘭的話我坦白講這個先不說是否是因為選舉或是政策的一個特別的一個\n\n04:12.423 --> 04:38.659\n一個選舉的規劃那我是說像南投縣的話其實有許多還期待著就是公立放嶺政策或者像是相關的林場或是像是竹山的瑞竹鼎林大安合作社台中南投至少有11000公頃將近8000餘戶那我想知道在規劃上在未來南投公立放嶺的一個規劃跟啟程或是相關的計畫如何因為我不希望是只有宜蘭而已\n\n04:40.287 --> 05:03.384\n報告委員我剛剛講說是事辦事辦是挑以前已經核准的那這裡放零的部分包括平地耕地還有山坡地還有養殖用地甚至園墾農各式各樣的樣態不同那我想這個主辦機關是內政部那內政部自然他們會根據他們的規劃去考量我想這個是內政部會有所討論\n\n05:04.966 --> 05:20.162\n那沒關係因為其實您是政務委員那其實對於這個議題你也關心許久啊那所以說不要說是在宜蘭那我也希望說同樣在您在督導的業務來講在南投縣那其實許多的農民他們也在期待的看到\n\n05:20.783 --> 05:33.309\n宜蘭縣的這個政策出來的時候事辦政策出來的時候就有許多的民眾農民來問我因為我地方的區域立委啊那他們就會說那南投的相關的工地放零什麼時候會開始來進行那我們同時也必須要對民眾來進行回應說明\n\n05:35.888 --> 05:54.378\n因為是適用不同的法規他每個機關每個用地是不同的法規平地是平地那所以說目前來講的話這公立放棄就只有宜蘭說好的這一件有他的法規的就已經可以來進行那未來有沒有第二階段其他法規可能要再去中整所以所以只有針對宜蘭\n\n05:55.058 --> 06:11.377\n不會內政部是針對這件事辦之後他會他的衡量是不是有一些法規要修正等等才進一步我想可能你可以向內政部去了解那我還是要麻煩陳主委因為你對南投也有幫忙啦那個開閉颱風\n\n06:12.438 --> 06:37.894\n那我也希望說您是政務委員的身份也能夠幫忙南投農民而不只是在宜蘭那因為內政部的話他們現在的話整個心思都在是不是改中正路中山路來您我的母校中正大學都可能都有受到波及的可能性啊所以我坦白講工地販領的話也是內政部主管的業務那如果可以的話麻煩您用政務委員的身份能夠盡量的來協助讓我們南投能夠早日有工地販領的一個示範或好成績啊\n\n06:40.234 --> 06:56.736\n繼續去了解相關的法規目前的適用的狀況那有需要調整有需要修正有需要整理的我會督促內政部來辦理好謝謝那最後的話這時間我再補充就是公共工程採購案的話在目前來講碳排係數跟管理規範\n\n06:57.677 --> 07:13.692\n是不是能夠有針對各縣市來去做一個連結或是包括各縣市能夠做配合以及包括是否規定廠商要提供碳排的報告那目前所做的這個提供報告的比例參與的比例以及說碳足跡是否納入評選的標準跟時程\n\n07:15.473 --> 07:30.272\n那同時碳足跡的一個資料庫的建置還有綠色材料優先採購以及對中小企業的輔導及補助機制因為時間有限所以再麻煩工程會能夠用書面的方式再提供一個分析好謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.522,"end":6.485,"text":"謝謝召委 謝謝主席 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