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00:00:53,823\n水晶酒礦業遺產淡水紅茅城及周遭歷史建築群我說一半是在大屯火山群因為這是新北台北包含這個國家公園那我想請教一下你們這個18個裡面你們有挑選了一個阿里山林業鐵道文化景觀把它列入就是說要去強力去推動的一個台灣的這個世界遺產的潛力點\n\n3\n00:00:57,486 --> 00:01:06,404\n你們這個要怎麼去強力的去推動它是代表台灣的一個世界的一個遺產的一個潛力點或是說它就是一個世界遺產\n\n4\n00:01:08,489 --> 00:01:33,130\n當然策略上面就是跟地方縣市政府就嘉義市嘉義縣還有地方的文史團體合作好來做進一步的一個文本的準備然後或是故事的一個敘述那另外國際的部分我們也會透過每一次在辦國際論壇的時候邀請了包括ICOMOS或是ICOM的這一些國際組織裡面的重要成員那當他們到台灣來參加國際會議的時候我們也會安排\n\n5\n00:01:35,512 --> 00:01:51,849\n他們去實地的去理解我們阿里山森林鐵路的一個保存的狀況跟它的文化價值大概是用這樣內外的我覺得這個東西就是說第一個在台灣你讓台灣人知道說這就是我們有可能是世界遺產情侶的但是我們也希望\n\n6\n00:01:53,592 --> 00:02:13,405\n讓全世界的人知道所以也要走出去我的意思是說我們要走出去那但是因為我們被中國打壓我們不是聯合國會員我們也不是這個UNESCO的會員我們都沒有辦法去登陸這個世界賽但怎麼去走出去我剛剛聽到就是說我們除了外交部的努力之外然後在交通部這部分呢觀光署的部分呢\n\n7\n00:02:13,965 --> 00:02:31,527\n有把這個我們的這個世界遺產潛力點有把它跟大家講說你來台灣來觀光那你可以來看我們的這一個這個世界遺產的潛力點包含這個有形的或是無形的我們有在做這方面的跟交通部觀光署的做一個合作嗎\n\n8\n00:02:33,851 --> 00:03:01,801\n18個潛力點並沒有每一個可是至少阿里山林業鐵路這個事情是有跟觀光署還有林業署的他們的保存處是有一起在合作的可是我們既然列了18個我們當然希望說這18個都讓外國的朋友們知道說這個是我們的世界遺產潛力點我們也希望說來到台灣的時候能夠到我們這些這個潛力點去走走去看一看所以應該不是只有\n\n9\n00:03:02,481 --> 00:03:17,310\n在阿里山竟然列了18個嘛我也很希望說來到我們這個新北市啊來到這個紅毛城啊來到這個樂生養養院啊或是來到這個我們的這個水晶酒啊等等\n\n10\n00:03:18,231 --> 00:03:39,174\n那你們這方面的宣傳我這樣聽起來那就是沒有跟觀光署配合的很好啊這部分我們再來努力跟觀光署聯繫看其他的這17處怎麼樣在觀光署的部分可以做一個聯合的宣傳這我們會努力對啊我覺得這方面要加強嘛就是外交是一部分讓世界看見台灣但是我們也希望說觀光客來到這邊的時候\n\n11\n00:03:40,535 --> 00:04:09,174\n能夠去參觀我們這些這個世界遺產潛力點嗎我覺得這部分看你們要怎麼去做那再給本席一個說明跟報告好嗎那另外一個就是說我是希望說他在台灣他不是就是說我們設一個潛力點就在那邊然後呢他就是在那邊你們有沒有一些還是說這是地方政府的就是跟他們協助配合或是說指導就是說讓這些點\n\n12\n00:04:10,895 --> 00:04:26,392\n能夠有更多的我們的比如說我們的下一代我們的孩子們能夠來親近能夠知道說為什麼這個地方是設路這個會列為我們這個世界遺產的潛力點它的特殊的地理環境人文環境在哪裡有沒有這方面的一些協助\n\n13\n00:04:27,205 --> 00:04:45,905\n我們一直持續在補助各縣市主管機關,能夠做一些教育推廣的計畫我們每一年,所以這個都有嗎?有,都有你新北市的計畫給我看一下好嗎?我印象中,在當市議員的時候,感受不到有這方面關於我們這一個世界遺產的活化\n\n14\n00:04:48,307 --> 00:05:10,818\n那這方面麻煩給我一下資料那最後一個我再問就是說你們現在希望就是說這些潛力點能夠完成這個文本鑽擬的一個報告那我看了一下水晶酒礦業遺產還有大屯山群這兩處的這個潛力點都還沒有完成這個文本鑽擬的程序是不是這個是地方政府的問題嗎\n\n15\n00:05:12,751 --> 00:05:37,147\n因為它最主要像水晶酒或是大屯山它都跨了主管機關大屯山的話主要還是內政部國家公園署還有陽明山的國家管理處然後還有一部分也是在台北市政府那誰要來寫大屯山依照我們的規定的話就是他們要聯合應該是由內政部這邊來主題啦那內政部沒有寫喔\n\n16\n00:05:39,514 --> 00:05:51,080\n已經有來申請了哪時候?你們有規定的期限嗎?過去一直沒有來申請那它列入我們的世界遺產潛力點多久了?15年以上了15年以上了沒有來寫\n\n17\n00:05:58,469 --> 00:06:14,936\n所以我們最近就是鼓勵協調以後啊我們就最近的推動會我們特別就是有請各縣市這些主管機關啊都來找這方面的努力所以他們已經提計畫來了我們會來協助補助他們去進行那水晶酒呢他就在新北市應該沒有跨什麼其他單位啊\n\n18\n00:06:15,676 --> 00:06:35,073\n所以目前他已經完成了一個研究資料的盤點可是他因為還得提出一個所謂的再生計畫這部分是他正在申請當中所以我們會給他經費上面補助嗎是的有給他補助他動作還這麼慢那有沒有一個期限\n\n19\n00:06:36,690 --> 00:06:57,520\n這沒有鼓勵而已我是希望說既然已經被列入了我想新北市他也很樂意說我們在新北市有被列入這個潛力點因為我們中央也有補助那還是要督促一下這個報告能夠趕快交出來好不好好謝謝主席謝謝市長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2310\t5211\t謝謝主席 我們請次長好 有請次長你好次長好 接續一下剛剛飼料委員對於有形資產和無形資產的問題我想請問一下目前在台灣你們選定了有18項世界遺產的潛力點其中算三個半在我新北市在我們新北市裡面有樂生療養院\n32043\t53823\t水晶酒礦業遺產淡水紅茅城及周遭歷史建築群我說一半是在大屯火山群因為這是新北台北包含這個國家公園那我想請教一下你們這個18個裡面你們有挑選了一個阿里山林業鐵道文化景觀把它列入就是說要去強力去推動的一個台灣的這個世界遺產的潛力點\n57486\t66404\t你們這個要怎麼去強力的去推動它是代表台灣的一個世界的一個遺產的一個潛力點或是說它就是一個世界遺產\n68489\t93130\t當然策略上面就是跟地方縣市政府就嘉義市嘉義縣還有地方的文史團體合作好來做進一步的一個文本的準備然後或是故事的一個敘述那另外國際的部分我們也會透過每一次在辦國際論壇的時候邀請了包括ICOMOS或是ICOM的這一些國際組織裡面的重要成員那當他們到台灣來參加國際會議的時候我們也會安排\n95512\t111849\t他們去實地的去理解我們阿里山森林鐵路的一個保存的狀況跟它的文化價值大概是用這樣內外的我覺得這個東西就是說第一個在台灣你讓台灣人知道說這就是我們有可能是世界遺產情侶的但是我們也希望\n113592\t133405\t讓全世界的人知道所以也要走出去我的意思是說我們要走出去那但是因為我們被中國打壓我們不是聯合國會員我們也不是這個UNESCO的會員我們都沒有辦法去登陸這個世界賽但怎麼去走出去我剛剛聽到就是說我們除了外交部的努力之外然後在交通部這部分呢觀光署的部分呢\n133965\t151527\t有把這個我們的這個世界遺產潛力點有把它跟大家講說你來台灣來觀光那你可以來看我們的這一個這個世界遺產的潛力點包含這個有形的或是無形的我們有在做這方面的跟交通部觀光署的做一個合作嗎\n153851\t181801\t18個潛力點並沒有每一個可是至少阿里山林業鐵路這個事情是有跟觀光署還有林業署的他們的保存處是有一起在合作的可是我們既然列了18個我們當然希望說這18個都讓外國的朋友們知道說這個是我們的世界遺產潛力點我們也希望說來到台灣的時候能夠到我們這些這個潛力點去走走去看一看所以應該不是只有\n182481\t197310\t在阿里山 竟然列了18個嘛我也很希望說 來到我們這個新北市啊來到這個紅毛城啊 來到這個樂生養養院啊或是來到這個我們的這個水晶酒啊等等\n198231\t219174\t那你們這方面的宣傳我這樣聽起來那就是沒有跟觀光署配合的很好啊這部分我們再來努力跟觀光署聯繫看其他的這17處怎麼樣在觀光署的部分可以做一個聯合的宣傳這我們會努力對啊我覺得這方面要加強嘛就是外交是一部分讓世界看見台灣但是我們也希望說觀光客來到這邊的時候\n220535\t249174\t能夠去參觀我們這些這個世界遺產潛力點嗎我覺得這部分看你們要怎麼去做那再給本席一個說明跟報告好嗎那另外一個就是說我是希望說他在台灣他不是就是說我們設一個潛力點就在那邊然後呢他就是在那邊你們有沒有一些還是說這是地方政府的就是跟他們協助配合或是說指導就是說讓這些點\n250895\t266392\t能夠有更多的 我們的 比如說我們的下一代我們的孩子們能夠來親近 能夠知道說為什麼這個地方是設路 這個會列為我們這個世界遺產的潛力點它的特殊的地理環境 人文環境在哪裡 有沒有這方面的一些協助\n267205\t285905\t我們一直持續在補助各縣市主管機關,能夠做一些教育推廣的計畫我們每一年,所以這個都有嗎?有,都有你新北市的計畫給我看一下好嗎?我印象中,在當市議員的時候,感受不到有這方面關於我們這一個世界遺產的活化\n288307\t310818\t那這方面麻煩給我一下資料那最後一個我再問就是說你們現在希望就是說這些潛力點能夠完成這個文本鑽擬的一個報告那我看了一下水晶酒礦業遺產還有大屯山群這兩處的這個潛力點都還沒有完成這個文本鑽擬的程序是不是這個是地方政府的問題嗎\n312751\t337147\t因為它最主要像水晶酒或是大屯山它都跨了主管機關大屯山的話主要還是內政部國家公園署還有陽明山的國家管理處然後還有一部分也是在台北市政府那誰要來寫大屯山依照我們的規定的話就是他們要聯合應該是由內政部這邊來主題啦那內政部沒有寫喔\n339514\t351080\t已經有來申請了哪時候?你們有規定的期限嗎?過去一直沒有來申請那它列入我們的世界遺產潛力點多久了?15年以上了15年以上了沒有來寫\n358469\t374936\t所以我們最近就是鼓勵協調以後啊我們就最近的推動會我們特別就是有請各縣市這些主管機關啊都來找這方面的努力所以他們已經提計畫來了我們會來協助補助他們去進行那水晶酒呢他就在新北市應該沒有跨什麼其他單位啊\n375676\t395073\t所以目前他已經完成了一個研究資料的盤點可是他因為還得提出一個所謂的再生計畫這部分是他正在申請當中所以我們會給他經費上面補助嗎是的有給他補助他動作還這麼慢那有沒有一個期限\n396690\t417520\t這沒有 鼓勵而已我是希望說 既然已經被列入了我想新北市他也很樂意說我們在新北市有被列入這個潛力點因為我們中央也有補助那還是要督促一下這個報告能夠趕快交出來 好不好好 謝謝主席 謝謝市長\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們請次長好 有請次長你好次長好 接續一下剛剛飼料委員對於有形資產和無形資產的問題我想請問一下目前在台灣你們選定了有18項世界遺產的潛力點其中算三個半在我新北市在我們新北市裡面有樂生療養院\n水晶酒礦業遺產淡水紅茅城及周遭歷史建築群我說一半是在大屯火山群因為這是新北台北包含這個國家公園那我想請教一下你們這個18個裡面你們有挑選了一個阿里山林業鐵道文化景觀把它列入就是說要去強力去推動的一個台灣的這個世界遺產的潛力點\n你們這個要怎麼去強力的去推動它是代表台灣的一個世界的一個遺產的一個潛力點或是說它就是一個世界遺產\n當然策略上面就是跟地方縣市政府就嘉義市嘉義縣還有地方的文史團體合作好來做進一步的一個文本的準備然後或是故事的一個敘述那另外國際的部分我們也會透過每一次在辦國際論壇的時候邀請了包括ICOMOS或是ICOM的這一些國際組織裡面的重要成員那當他們到台灣來參加國際會議的時候我們也會安排\n他們去實地的去理解我們阿里山森林鐵路的一個保存的狀況跟它的文化價值大概是用這樣內外的我覺得這個東西就是說第一個在台灣你讓台灣人知道說這就是我們有可能是世界遺產情侶的但是我們也希望\n讓全世界的人知道所以也要走出去我的意思是說我們要走出去那但是因為我們被中國打壓我們不是聯合國會員我們也不是這個UNESCO的會員我們都沒有辦法去登陸這個世界賽但怎麼去走出去我剛剛聽到就是說我們除了外交部的努力之外然後在交通部這部分呢觀光署的部分呢\n有把這個我們的這個世界遺產潛力點有把它跟大家講說你來台灣來觀光那你可以來看我們的這一個這個世界遺產的潛力點包含這個有形的或是無形的我們有在做這方面的跟交通部觀光署的做一個合作嗎\n18個潛力點並沒有每一個可是至少阿里山林業鐵路這個事情是有跟觀光署還有林業署的他們的保存處是有一起在合作的可是我們既然列了18個我們當然希望說這18個都讓外國的朋友們知道說這個是我們的世界遺產潛力點我們也希望說來到台灣的時候能夠到我們這些這個潛力點去走走去看一看所以應該不是只有\n在阿里山 竟然列了18個嘛我也很希望說 來到我們這個新北市啊來到這個紅毛城啊 來到這個樂生養養院啊或是來到這個我們的這個水晶酒啊等等\n那你們這方面的宣傳我這樣聽起來那就是沒有跟觀光署配合的很好啊這部分我們再來努力跟觀光署聯繫看其他的這17處怎麼樣在觀光署的部分可以做一個聯合的宣傳這我們會努力對啊我覺得這方面要加強嘛就是外交是一部分讓世界看見台灣但是我們也希望說觀光客來到這邊的時候\n能夠去參觀我們這些這個世界遺產潛力點嗎我覺得這部分看你們要怎麼去做那再給本席一個說明跟報告好嗎那另外一個就是說我是希望說他在台灣他不是就是說我們設一個潛力點就在那邊然後呢他就是在那邊你們有沒有一些還是說這是地方政府的就是跟他們協助配合或是說指導就是說讓這些點\n能夠有更多的 我們的 比如說我們的下一代我們的孩子們能夠來親近 能夠知道說為什麼這個地方是設路 這個會列為我們這個世界遺產的潛力點它的特殊的地理環境 人文環境在哪裡 有沒有這方面的一些協助\n我們一直持續在補助各縣市主管機關,能夠做一些教育推廣的計畫我們每一年,所以這個都有嗎?有,都有你新北市的計畫給我看一下好嗎?我印象中,在當市議員的時候,感受不到有這方面關於我們這一個世界遺產的活化\n那這方面麻煩給我一下資料那最後一個我再問就是說你們現在希望就是說這些潛力點能夠完成這個文本鑽擬的一個報告那我看了一下水晶酒礦業遺產還有大屯山群這兩處的這個潛力點都還沒有完成這個文本鑽擬的程序是不是這個是地方政府的問題嗎\n因為它最主要像水晶酒或是大屯山它都跨了主管機關大屯山的話主要還是內政部國家公園署還有陽明山的國家管理處然後還有一部分也是在台北市政府那誰要來寫大屯山依照我們的規定的話就是他們要聯合應該是由內政部這邊來主題啦那內政部沒有寫喔\n已經有來申請了哪時候?你們有規定的期限嗎?過去一直沒有來申請那它列入我們的世界遺產潛力點多久了?15年以上了15年以上了沒有來寫\n所以我們最近就是鼓勵協調以後啊我們就最近的推動會我們特別就是有請各縣市這些主管機關啊都來找這方面的努力所以他們已經提計畫來了我們會來協助補助他們去進行那水晶酒呢他就在新北市應該沒有跨什麼其他單位啊\n所以目前他已經完成了一個研究資料的盤點可是他因為還得提出一個所謂的再生計畫這部分是他正在申請當中所以我們會給他經費上面補助嗎是的有給他補助他動作還這麼慢那有沒有一個期限\n這沒有 鼓勵而已我是希望說 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有沒有這方面的一些協助"},{"start":267.205,"end":285.905,"text":"我們一直持續在補助各縣市主管機關,能夠做一些教育推廣的計畫我們每一年,所以這個都有嗎?有,都有你新北市的計畫給我看一下好嗎?我印象中,在當市議員的時候,感受不到有這方面關於我們這一個世界遺產的活化"},{"start":288.307,"end":310.818,"text":"那這方面麻煩給我一下資料那最後一個我再問就是說你們現在希望就是說這些潛力點能夠完成這個文本鑽擬的一個報告那我看了一下水晶酒礦業遺產還有大屯山群這兩處的這個潛力點都還沒有完成這個文本鑽擬的程序是不是這個是地方政府的問題嗎"},{"start":312.751,"end":337.147,"text":"因為它最主要像水晶酒或是大屯山它都跨了主管機關大屯山的話主要還是內政部國家公園署還有陽明山的國家管理處然後還有一部分也是在台北市政府那誰要來寫大屯山依照我們的規定的話就是他們要聯合應該是由內政部這邊來主題啦那內政部沒有寫喔"},{"start":339.514,"end":351.08,"text":"已經有來申請了哪時候?你們有規定的期限嗎?過去一直沒有來申請那它列入我們的世界遺產潛力點多久了?15年以上了15年以上了沒有來寫"},{"start":358.469,"end":374.936,"text":"所以我們最近就是鼓勵協調以後啊我們就最近的推動會我們特別就是有請各縣市這些主管機關啊都來找這方面的努力所以他們已經提計畫來了我們會來協助補助他們去進行那水晶酒呢他就在新北市應該沒有跨什麼其他單位啊"},{"start":375.676,"end":395.073,"text":"所以目前他已經完成了一個研究資料的盤點可是他因為還得提出一個所謂的再生計畫這部分是他正在申請當中所以我們會給他經費上面補助嗎是的有給他補助他動作還這麼慢那有沒有一個期限"},{"start":396.69,"end":417.52,"text":"這沒有 鼓勵而已我是希望說 既然已經被列入了我想新北市他也很樂意說我們在新北市有被列入這個潛力點因為我們中央也有補助那還是要督促一下這個報告能夠趕快交出來 好不好好 謝謝主席 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