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00:02:53,129\n目前剛剛跟委員做說明的就是客家八音這個是在我們推動委員會因為這次的邀集的委員裡面有一位是客家的音樂的專業那老師們就提出說覺得在我們五行文化遺產的部分其實可以增列客家八音那這個在委員會裡面得到大家的同意可是他的程序上即使說我們有委員這樣提那我們還是得去找到一個\n\n8\n00:02:53,849 --> 00:03:11,659\n所謂的地方縣市政府他得先得到地方縣市政府的一個文資身份之後然後再來逐步的提報所以這個部分我們還在跟地方政府研議中看是要有哪一個縣市政府有這個意願願意提報出來的時候那我們就會讓他按照程序來走進入我們的潛力名單\n\n9\n00:03:12,239 --> 00:03:36,562\n不過剛剛你提的這有點特別就是說要有一個你們剛好有委員有事實上是客家人然後才有提所以我的意思說如果從你們角度上來看你們自己到底有沒有去solo整個的我們台灣的一些相關的文化裡面來設為你們的潛力點還是因為有一個委員有在你們才有提然後其他的都沒有去這麼多年來沒有特別去提出這個東西\n\n10\n00:03:38,168 --> 00:03:47,453\n應該是講我們這個不論是有形或無形這些潛力點的提報都是透過專家委員或者是地方縣市政府還有那個\n\n11\n00:03:50,020 --> 00:04:10,437\n就是以專要委來提報他們提出了一個潛力名單之後我們再跟他的主管機關能夠去溝通所以這件事情文資局並不是主動每一年在自己做這樣的研究調查可是只要有人提醒文資局就會找到適當的單位請他們來做研議跟後面提報的動作\n\n12\n00:04:11,838 --> 00:04:33,128\n不過我覺得主動性還要有否則的話很被動等待如果有些人不特別會去提或地方政府沒提的話我認為大概很多東西都不會被你們社會是潛力點或者應該反過來講說你們有沒有去做宣傳為什麼因為我覺得要讓台灣文化走向世界最近大家讀到知道全世界的客家莊\n\n13\n00:04:35,249 --> 00:04:54,277\n連東非洲都有我認為透過文化部的努力的話台灣完全可以成為全球認識客家文化的一個關鍵基地那說到世界文化遺產申請的基礎的文化行銷我不得不佩服我們的韓國鄰近國家我也報說韓國事實上是全球\n\n14\n00:04:55,037 --> 00:05:22,111\n最佳的飲食軟實力的行銷典範所以他們在2013年把泡菜製作現在叫興起列入聯合國非物質文化遺產甚至一部黑白大廚的韓國廚藝的競賽的影集都能夠在全世界引起掀起我們的韓食的熱潮所以想問次長我們自己到底有沒有決心也要做出世界看的\n\n15\n00:05:22,671 --> 00:05:30,814\n成如委員所提醒的其實除了潛力點被提報了以後他其實要做一個相當一個文本的一個準備那這個文本以後他其實就是那個故事性還有他未來要怎麼行銷怎麼教育推廣這些字都是一個一連串的那這部分\n\n16\n00:05:51,783 --> 00:06:07,390\n文化部或者是文資局可以學習的真的還很多像韓國的這些做法我們真的也都看在眼裡我們也很急著希望能夠協助我們這些很珍貴的文化資產能夠被看見那這些事情我們目前\n\n17\n00:06:08,630 --> 00:06:28,612\n當然以中央部會來講通常是一種被動的就是補助我們比較少能夠自己主動去開委託案或是什麼那可是這個補助我們會積極的來跟地方政府或者是民間團體來鼓勵他們能夠提出申請那我們藉由這個款項的補助能夠讓\n\n18\n00:06:29,993 --> 00:06:57,642\n我覺得文化部還是有個導引的角色在啦因為你補助還是會有個方向所以反過來問是說立法院又可以從哪些法規跟預算面來幫文化部當然預算的支持是一個非常重要的事情那而且不只是我剛剛講講說我們今年只有補助款還算有一點保留我們的業務費其實是被被砍得蠻兇的啦所以要做委託案要主動出擊必須要業務費可是我們現在\n\n19\n00:06:59,042 --> 00:07:16,935\n文字局的90%都是補助款所以這也是我們在預算結構上面的一個先天性的限制那如果說委員這邊可以同意的話我們也希望教文會的委員其實我覺得教文會委員真的很支持文化部了在預算上面其實給我們蠻多的一個支持的力道\n\n20\n00:07:17,856 --> 00:07:33,876\n未來我們就是會在這個力道在做事的方法上面更積極更主動一點這個事情我們會來努力最後就是說市長你今天報告主題之一是完善的潛力點保存那你過去也坦承推動困難是因為民眾認識不足可是我要講的是文化\n\n21\n00:07:35,989 --> 00:07:52,150\n問題是文化部對維護的方式上可能有些問題像這張左邊這張照片呢是像是文化部列為潛力點的桃園台地的那個皮堂你們說它事實上是完整的地景聚落這張照片事實上是公有地的皮堂可是現場\n\n22\n00:07:53,371 --> 00:08:17,208\n右手邊事實上現場是雜草叢生有民眾丟棄垃圾堆積雲苗死亡夏天還會飄出惡臭也沒有好好的維護如果你今天要去推說我們的桃園台地皮糖那你只有一個點可是整個桃園的台地皮糖是很多點的那這時候就連桃園人自己都會覺得說他們這個皮糖根本也不是一個很好\n\n23\n00:08:18,749 --> 00:08:43,922\n放出來的點是八德皮堂有生態休閒的功能就很漂亮所以有沒有要整體要去做維護去做調整否則今天觀光客來看到你推薦的桃園皮、台地皮堂結果看到的不是八德的話那他也會誤會說這樣子的一個狀態根本不是你文資局或者是文化部提出來的所以想問市長說這樣的落差問題點你們是不是可以去做跨部會\n\n24\n00:08:45,143 --> 00:09:12,722\n甚至就是中央跟地方的合作讓他們去做一個比較好的完備的否則的話這保存就沒有意義結果你們推出來的東西就跟現場事實上有一些事實上是落差的所以我也希望說接下來我覺得請文化部可不可以優先研議將客家文化納入到台灣世界遺產潛力的點的推動項目不是只有客家巴音客家美食這些都是一個可去考量的點\n\n25\n00:09:13,695 --> 00:09:30,426\n好委員的提醒這個我們包括剛剛皮糖的那個養護的狀況我們會跟桃園市政府再來那這個月內是不是提供相關的那個報告給我這邊好然後那個客家文化納入世界遺產潛力點的部分我們也會來進行可以兩個月嗎好謝謝市長謝謝好謝謝林玉琴委員市長請回我們接下來請羅廷偉委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4336\t24491\t市長我們看到我們的世界遺產潛力點大多是在2000年的時候初期就陸續納進去文化部在去年2月才修訂潛力點零選籍除名的作業要點\n26132\t43771\t明定了優先順序跟退場機制那當然要點都修訂一年了我沒有看到太多新的變化所以請問目前這套機制運作的怎麼樣有沒有新的項目準備列入又有沒有哪些點是被要除名的\n45596\t66894\t跟委員報告這個要點我們目前根據這個要點在召開推動會那推動會裡面是有在討論要增加客家的部分客家八音那至於除名的部分目前這十二項委員是認為都還是具有潛力沒有打算有除名的一個計畫\n69285\t93782\t你好像料到我要講什麼因為我身為一個客家人真的要問你為什麼這麼多年來客家的巴音、米食、茶文化、竹編這些很珍貴的文化記憶就從來沒有列入台灣世界遺產潛力點的名單剛才很高興聽到你說即將我們的客家的巴音要列入原來總統也指出\n94182\t119686\t客家六建的政策已有成效要讓台灣的客家文化成為全球多元文化的珍寶所以你們要把台灣的文化推向世界的時候一定要考量到我們客家文化把它列為潛力點那世界文化遺產的推動不是只有國內文化保存還有要被國際看到的一個重要面向你們的遴選要點提報單位可以是文資局\n120186\t146922\t也可以是地方政府但如果他們地方政府沒有提那中央的文資局為什麼這麼多年有沒有主動去提報一些有相關的那這也想問次長說讓我知道有沒有什麼特別原因因為我說剛剛前面講沒針沒剪的狀態裡面有沒有有一些你現在即將要增加客家巴音那是如果地方沒有提的話你們自己會提嗎\n149181\t173129\t目前剛剛跟委員做說明的就是客家八音這個是在我們推動委員會因為這次的邀集的委員裡面有一位是客家的音樂的專業那老師們就提出說覺得在我們五行文化遺產的部分其實可以增列客家八音那這個在委員會裡面得到大家的同意可是他的程序上即使說我們有委員這樣提那我們還是得去找到一個\n173849\t191659\t所謂的地方縣市政府他得先得到地方縣市政府的一個文資身份之後然後再來逐步的提報所以這個部分我們還在跟地方政府研議中看是要有哪一個縣市政府有這個意願願意提報出來的時候那我們就會讓他按照程序來走進入我們的潛力名單\n192239\t216562\t不過剛剛你提的這有點特別就是說要有一個你們剛好有委員有事實上是客家人然後才有提所以我的意思說如果從你們角度上來看你們自己到底有沒有去solo整個的我們台灣的一些相關的文化裡面來設為你們的潛力點還是因為有一個委員有在你們才有提然後其他的都沒有去這麼多年來沒有特別去提出這個東西\n218168\t227453\t應該是講我們這個不論是有形或無形這些潛力點的提報都是透過專家委員或者是地方縣市政府還有那個\n230020\t250437\t就是以專要委來提報他們提出了一個潛力名單之後我們再跟他的主管機關能夠去溝通所以這件事情文資局並不是主動每一年在自己做這樣的研究調查可是只要有人提醒文資局就會找到適當的單位請他們來做研議跟後面提報的動作\n251838\t273128\t不過我覺得主動性還要有否則的話很被動等待如果有些人不特別會去提或地方政府沒提的話我認為大概很多東西都不會被你們社會是潛力點或者應該反過來講說你們有沒有去做宣傳為什麼因為我覺得要讓台灣文化走向世界最近大家讀到知道全世界的客家莊\n275249\t294277\t連東非洲都有我認為透過文化部的努力的話台灣完全可以成為全球認識客家文化的一個關鍵基地那說到世界文化遺產申請的基礎的文化行銷我不得不佩服我們的韓國鄰近國家我也報說韓國事實上是全球\n295037\t322111\t最佳的飲食軟實力的行銷典範所以他們在2013年把泡菜製作現在叫興起列入聯合國非物質文化遺產甚至一部黑白大廚的韓國廚藝的競賽的影集都能夠在全世界引起掀起我們的韓食的熱潮所以想問次長我們自己到底有沒有決心也要做出世界看的\n322671\t330814\t成如委員所提醒的其實除了潛力點被提報了以後他其實要做一個相當一個文本的一個準備那這個文本以後他其實就是那個故事性還有他未來要怎麼行銷怎麼教育推廣這些字都是一個一連串的那這部分\n351783\t367390\t文化部或者是文資局可以學習的真的還很多像韓國的這些做法我們真的也都看在眼裡我們也很急著希望能夠協助我們這些很珍貴的文化資產能夠被看見那這些事情我們目前\n368630\t388612\t當然以中央部會來講通常是一種被動的就是補助我們比較少能夠自己主動去開委託案或是什麼那可是這個補助我們會積極的來跟地方政府或者是民間團體來鼓勵他們能夠提出申請那我們藉由這個款項的補助能夠讓\n389993\t417642\t我覺得文化部還是有個導引的角色在啦因為你補助還是會有個方向所以反過來問是說立法院又可以從哪些法規跟預算面來幫文化部當然預算的支持是一個非常重要的事情那而且不只是我剛剛講講說我們今年只有補助款還算有一點保留我們的業務費其實是被被砍得蠻兇的啦所以要做委託案要主動出擊必須要業務費可是我們現在\n419042\t436935\t文字局的90%都是補助款所以這也是我們在預算結構上面的一個先天性的限制那如果說委員這邊可以同意的話我們也希望教文會的委員其實我覺得教文會委員真的很支持文化部了在預算上面其實給我們蠻多的一個支持的力道\n437856\t453876\t未來我們就是會在這個力道在做事的方法上面更積極更主動一點這個事情我們會來努力最後就是說市長你今天報告主題之一是完善的潛力點保存那你過去也坦承推動困難是因為民眾認識不足可是我要講的是文化\n455989\t472150\t問題是文化部對維護的方式上可能有些問題像這張左邊這張照片呢是像是文化部列為潛力點的桃園台地的那個皮堂你們說它事實上是完整的地景聚落這張照片事實上是公有地的皮堂可是現場\n473371\t497208\t右手邊事實上現場是雜草叢生有民眾丟棄垃圾堆積雲苗死亡夏天還會飄出惡臭也沒有好好的維護如果你今天要去推說我們的桃園台地皮糖那你只有一個點可是整個桃園的台地皮糖是很多點的那這時候就連桃園人自己都會覺得說他們這個皮糖根本也不是一個很好\n498749\t523922\t放出來的點是八德皮堂有生態休閒的功能就很漂亮所以有沒有要整體要去做維護去做調整否則今天觀光客來看到你推薦的桃園皮、台地皮堂結果看到的不是八德的話那他也會誤會說這樣子的一個狀態根本不是你文資局或者是文化部提出來的所以想問市長說這樣的落差問題點你們是不是可以去做跨部會\n525143\t552722\t甚至就是中央跟地方的合作讓他們去做一個比較好的完備的否則的話這保存就沒有意義結果你們推出來的東西就跟現場事實上有一些事實上是落差的所以我也希望說接下來我覺得請文化部可不可以優先研議將客家文化納入到台灣世界遺產潛力的點的推動項目不是只有客家巴音客家美食這些都是一個可去考量的點\n553695\t570426\t好 委員的提醒 這個我們包括剛剛皮糖的那個養護的狀況我們會跟桃園市政府再來那這個月內是不是提供相關的那個報告給我這邊好 然後那個客家文化納入世界遺產潛力點的部分我們也會來進行可以兩個月嗎好 謝謝市長 謝謝好 謝謝林玉琴委員 市長請回我們接下來請羅廷偉委員\n","txt":"市長我們看到我們的世界遺產潛力點大多是在2000年的時候初期就陸續納進去文化部在去年2月才修訂潛力點零選籍除名的作業要點\n明定了優先順序跟退場機制那當然要點都修訂一年了我沒有看到太多新的變化所以請問目前這套機制運作的怎麼樣有沒有新的項目準備列入又有沒有哪些點是被要除名的\n跟委員報告這個要點我們目前根據這個要點在召開推動會那推動會裡面是有在討論要增加客家的部分客家八音那至於除名的部分目前這十二項委員是認為都還是具有潛力沒有打算有除名的一個計畫\n你好像料到我要講什麼因為我身為一個客家人真的要問你為什麼這麼多年來客家的巴音、米食、茶文化、竹編這些很珍貴的文化記憶就從來沒有列入台灣世界遺產潛力點的名單剛才很高興聽到你說即將我們的客家的巴音要列入原來總統也指出\n客家六建的政策已有成效要讓台灣的客家文化成為全球多元文化的珍寶所以你們要把台灣的文化推向世界的時候一定要考量到我們客家文化把它列為潛力點那世界文化遺產的推動不是只有國內文化保存還有要被國際看到的一個重要面向你們的遴選要點提報單位可以是文資局\n也可以是地方政府但如果他們地方政府沒有提那中央的文資局為什麼這麼多年有沒有主動去提報一些有相關的那這也想問次長說讓我知道有沒有什麼特別原因因為我說剛剛前面講沒針沒剪的狀態裡面有沒有有一些你現在即將要增加客家巴音那是如果地方沒有提的話你們自己會提嗎\n目前剛剛跟委員做說明的就是客家八音這個是在我們推動委員會因為這次的邀集的委員裡面有一位是客家的音樂的專業那老師們就提出說覺得在我們五行文化遺產的部分其實可以增列客家八音那這個在委員會裡面得到大家的同意可是他的程序上即使說我們有委員這樣提那我們還是得去找到一個\n所謂的地方縣市政府他得先得到地方縣市政府的一個文資身份之後然後再來逐步的提報所以這個部分我們還在跟地方政府研議中看是要有哪一個縣市政府有這個意願願意提報出來的時候那我們就會讓他按照程序來走進入我們的潛力名單\n不過剛剛你提的這有點特別就是說要有一個你們剛好有委員有事實上是客家人然後才有提所以我的意思說如果從你們角度上來看你們自己到底有沒有去solo整個的我們台灣的一些相關的文化裡面來設為你們的潛力點還是因為有一個委員有在你們才有提然後其他的都沒有去這麼多年來沒有特別去提出這個東西\n應該是講我們這個不論是有形或無形這些潛力點的提報都是透過專家委員或者是地方縣市政府還有那個\n就是以專要委來提報他們提出了一個潛力名單之後我們再跟他的主管機關能夠去溝通所以這件事情文資局並不是主動每一年在自己做這樣的研究調查可是只要有人提醒文資局就會找到適當的單位請他們來做研議跟後面提報的動作\n不過我覺得主動性還要有否則的話很被動等待如果有些人不特別會去提或地方政府沒提的話我認為大概很多東西都不會被你們社會是潛力點或者應該反過來講說你們有沒有去做宣傳為什麼因為我覺得要讓台灣文化走向世界最近大家讀到知道全世界的客家莊\n連東非洲都有我認為透過文化部的努力的話台灣完全可以成為全球認識客家文化的一個關鍵基地那說到世界文化遺產申請的基礎的文化行銷我不得不佩服我們的韓國鄰近國家我也報說韓國事實上是全球\n最佳的飲食軟實力的行銷典範所以他們在2013年把泡菜製作現在叫興起列入聯合國非物質文化遺產甚至一部黑白大廚的韓國廚藝的競賽的影集都能夠在全世界引起掀起我們的韓食的熱潮所以想問次長我們自己到底有沒有決心也要做出世界看的\n成如委員所提醒的其實除了潛力點被提報了以後他其實要做一個相當一個文本的一個準備那這個文本以後他其實就是那個故事性還有他未來要怎麼行銷怎麼教育推廣這些字都是一個一連串的那這部分\n文化部或者是文資局可以學習的真的還很多像韓國的這些做法我們真的也都看在眼裡我們也很急著希望能夠協助我們這些很珍貴的文化資產能夠被看見那這些事情我們目前\n當然以中央部會來講通常是一種被動的就是補助我們比較少能夠自己主動去開委託案或是什麼那可是這個補助我們會積極的來跟地方政府或者是民間團體來鼓勵他們能夠提出申請那我們藉由這個款項的補助能夠讓\n我覺得文化部還是有個導引的角色在啦因為你補助還是會有個方向所以反過來問是說立法院又可以從哪些法規跟預算面來幫文化部當然預算的支持是一個非常重要的事情那而且不只是我剛剛講講說我們今年只有補助款還算有一點保留我們的業務費其實是被被砍得蠻兇的啦所以要做委託案要主動出擊必須要業務費可是我們現在\n文字局的90%都是補助款所以這也是我們在預算結構上面的一個先天性的限制那如果說委員這邊可以同意的話我們也希望教文會的委員其實我覺得教文會委員真的很支持文化部了在預算上面其實給我們蠻多的一個支持的力道\n未來我們就是會在這個力道在做事的方法上面更積極更主動一點這個事情我們會來努力最後就是說市長你今天報告主題之一是完善的潛力點保存那你過去也坦承推動困難是因為民眾認識不足可是我要講的是文化\n問題是文化部對維護的方式上可能有些問題像這張左邊這張照片呢是像是文化部列為潛力點的桃園台地的那個皮堂你們說它事實上是完整的地景聚落這張照片事實上是公有地的皮堂可是現場\n右手邊事實上現場是雜草叢生有民眾丟棄垃圾堆積雲苗死亡夏天還會飄出惡臭也沒有好好的維護如果你今天要去推說我們的桃園台地皮糖那你只有一個點可是整個桃園的台地皮糖是很多點的那這時候就連桃園人自己都會覺得說他們這個皮糖根本也不是一個很好\n放出來的點是八德皮堂有生態休閒的功能就很漂亮所以有沒有要整體要去做維護去做調整否則今天觀光客來看到你推薦的桃園皮、台地皮堂結果看到的不是八德的話那他也會誤會說這樣子的一個狀態根本不是你文資局或者是文化部提出來的所以想問市長說這樣的落差問題點你們是不是可以去做跨部會\n甚至就是中央跟地方的合作讓他們去做一個比較好的完備的否則的話這保存就沒有意義結果你們推出來的東西就跟現場事實上有一些事實上是落差的所以我也希望說接下來我覺得請文化部可不可以優先研議將客家文化納入到台灣世界遺產潛力的點的推動項目不是只有客家巴音客家美食這些都是一個可去考量的點\n好 委員的提醒 這個我們包括剛剛皮糖的那個養護的狀況我們會跟桃園市政府再來那這個月內是不是提供相關的那個報告給我這邊好 然後那個客家文化納入世界遺產潛力點的部分我們也會來進行可以兩個月嗎好 謝謝市長 謝謝好 謝謝林玉琴委員 市長請回我們接下來請羅廷偉委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.336 --> 00:24.491\n市長我們看到我們的世界遺產潛力點大多是在2000年的時候初期就陸續納進去文化部在去年2月才修訂潛力點零選籍除名的作業要點\n\n00:26.132 --> 00:43.771\n明定了優先順序跟退場機制那當然要點都修訂一年了我沒有看到太多新的變化所以請問目前這套機制運作的怎麼樣有沒有新的項目準備列入又有沒有哪些點是被要除名的\n\n00:45.596 --> 01:06.894\n跟委員報告這個要點我們目前根據這個要點在召開推動會那推動會裡面是有在討論要增加客家的部分客家八音那至於除名的部分目前這十二項委員是認為都還是具有潛力沒有打算有除名的一個計畫\n\n01:09.285 --> 01:33.782\n你好像料到我要講什麼因為我身為一個客家人真的要問你為什麼這麼多年來客家的巴音、米食、茶文化、竹編這些很珍貴的文化記憶就從來沒有列入台灣世界遺產潛力點的名單剛才很高興聽到你說即將我們的客家的巴音要列入原來總統也指出\n\n01:34.182 --> 01:59.686\n客家六建的政策已有成效要讓台灣的客家文化成為全球多元文化的珍寶所以你們要把台灣的文化推向世界的時候一定要考量到我們客家文化把它列為潛力點那世界文化遺產的推動不是只有國內文化保存還有要被國際看到的一個重要面向你們的遴選要點提報單位可以是文資局\n\n02:00.186 --> 02:26.922\n也可以是地方政府但如果他們地方政府沒有提那中央的文資局為什麼這麼多年有沒有主動去提報一些有相關的那這也想問次長說讓我知道有沒有什麼特別原因因為我說剛剛前面講沒針沒剪的狀態裡面有沒有有一些你現在即將要增加客家巴音那是如果地方沒有提的話你們自己會提嗎\n\n02:29.181 --> 02:53.129\n目前剛剛跟委員做說明的就是客家八音這個是在我們推動委員會因為這次的邀集的委員裡面有一位是客家的音樂的專業那老師們就提出說覺得在我們五行文化遺產的部分其實可以增列客家八音那這個在委員會裡面得到大家的同意可是他的程序上即使說我們有委員這樣提那我們還是得去找到一個\n\n02:53.849 --> 03:11.659\n所謂的地方縣市政府他得先得到地方縣市政府的一個文資身份之後然後再來逐步的提報所以這個部分我們還在跟地方政府研議中看是要有哪一個縣市政府有這個意願願意提報出來的時候那我們就會讓他按照程序來走進入我們的潛力名單\n\n03:12.239 --> 03:36.562\n不過剛剛你提的這有點特別就是說要有一個你們剛好有委員有事實上是客家人然後才有提所以我的意思說如果從你們角度上來看你們自己到底有沒有去solo整個的我們台灣的一些相關的文化裡面來設為你們的潛力點還是因為有一個委員有在你們才有提然後其他的都沒有去這麼多年來沒有特別去提出這個東西\n\n03:38.168 --> 03:47.453\n應該是講我們這個不論是有形或無形這些潛力點的提報都是透過專家委員或者是地方縣市政府還有那個\n\n03:50.020 --> 04:10.437\n就是以專要委來提報他們提出了一個潛力名單之後我們再跟他的主管機關能夠去溝通所以這件事情文資局並不是主動每一年在自己做這樣的研究調查可是只要有人提醒文資局就會找到適當的單位請他們來做研議跟後面提報的動作\n\n04:11.838 --> 04:33.128\n不過我覺得主動性還要有否則的話很被動等待如果有些人不特別會去提或地方政府沒提的話我認為大概很多東西都不會被你們社會是潛力點或者應該反過來講說你們有沒有去做宣傳為什麼因為我覺得要讓台灣文化走向世界最近大家讀到知道全世界的客家莊\n\n04:35.249 --> 04:54.277\n連東非洲都有我認為透過文化部的努力的話台灣完全可以成為全球認識客家文化的一個關鍵基地那說到世界文化遺產申請的基礎的文化行銷我不得不佩服我們的韓國鄰近國家我也報說韓國事實上是全球\n\n04:55.037 --> 05:22.111\n最佳的飲食軟實力的行銷典範所以他們在2013年把泡菜製作現在叫興起列入聯合國非物質文化遺產甚至一部黑白大廚的韓國廚藝的競賽的影集都能夠在全世界引起掀起我們的韓食的熱潮所以想問次長我們自己到底有沒有決心也要做出世界看的\n\n05:22.671 --> 05:30.814\n成如委員所提醒的其實除了潛力點被提報了以後他其實要做一個相當一個文本的一個準備那這個文本以後他其實就是那個故事性還有他未來要怎麼行銷怎麼教育推廣這些字都是一個一連串的那這部分\n\n05:51.783 --> 06:07.390\n文化部或者是文資局可以學習的真的還很多像韓國的這些做法我們真的也都看在眼裡我們也很急著希望能夠協助我們這些很珍貴的文化資產能夠被看見那這些事情我們目前\n\n06:08.630 --> 06:28.612\n當然以中央部會來講通常是一種被動的就是補助我們比較少能夠自己主動去開委託案或是什麼那可是這個補助我們會積極的來跟地方政府或者是民間團體來鼓勵他們能夠提出申請那我們藉由這個款項的補助能夠讓\n\n06:29.993 --> 06:57.642\n我覺得文化部還是有個導引的角色在啦因為你補助還是會有個方向所以反過來問是說立法院又可以從哪些法規跟預算面來幫文化部當然預算的支持是一個非常重要的事情那而且不只是我剛剛講講說我們今年只有補助款還算有一點保留我們的業務費其實是被被砍得蠻兇的啦所以要做委託案要主動出擊必須要業務費可是我們現在\n\n06:59.042 --> 07:16.935\n文字局的90%都是補助款所以這也是我們在預算結構上面的一個先天性的限制那如果說委員這邊可以同意的話我們也希望教文會的委員其實我覺得教文會委員真的很支持文化部了在預算上面其實給我們蠻多的一個支持的力道\n\n07:17.856 --> 07:33.876\n未來我們就是會在這個力道在做事的方法上面更積極更主動一點這個事情我們會來努力最後就是說市長你今天報告主題之一是完善的潛力點保存那你過去也坦承推動困難是因為民眾認識不足可是我要講的是文化\n\n07:35.989 --> 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委員的提醒 這個我們包括剛剛皮糖的那個養護的狀況我們會跟桃園市政府再來那這個月內是不是提供相關的那個報告給我這邊好 然後那個客家文化納入世界遺產潛力點的部分我們也會來進行可以兩個月嗎好 謝謝市長 謝謝好 謝謝林玉琴委員 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