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00:02:13,607\n那這個工作的方式包括除了用國際論壇的時候能夠邀集一些在ICOM或者是ECOMOS或UNESCO的重要的一些評審的委員們能夠到台灣來實際看我們的一個執行的一個狀況以外那我們也會透過一個國際的宣導的部分我們的會員\n\n8\n00:02:22,898 --> 00:02:42,043\n如果台灣有一些專家學者或是文字局本身去參加國際會議的時候也會主動的把我們這些準備好的資料我們準備的情形帶到國際上去跟國際社會做一個說明以上所以你們目前有沒有具體的跟國際民間組織跟非官方的機構合作的期程\n\n9\n00:02:43,441 --> 00:03:04,282\n我們一直都有在努力合作我們也參加了好幾個國際的組織後續如果有相關的這些具體期程可不可以資料給我們一下好沒有問題好嗎謝謝那我們想了解一下這個相關的時間期程表那截至113年18處的潛力點已有11處完成文本還有7處未完成次長這個進度你滿意嗎\n\n10\n00:03:07,538 --> 00:03:17,023\n當然我知道大家都不滿意那我們也努力在協調這些主管機關請他們盡快的提出計畫市有什麼困境然後這個沒辦法期數為完成\n\n11\n00:03:18,622 --> 00:03:38,999\n因為現在看起來主管救援主要都是比較屬於自然遺產的就是內政部國家公園的這一塊那當然內政部可能就覺得他們不善於沒有申請文化遺產的不重要不是不是他們沒有申請過文化遺產的這一方面的經驗啦所以我們也一直在所以你要加強協助輔導囉對好不好\n\n12\n00:03:41,221 --> 00:04:01,484\n那這個部分上我們還是希望這個進度今天很多的委員都有在關心我們希望說這個部分上能夠有所突破跨部會的協調甚至從行政院院長這個部分的院會我想內部的一些院會報告我想你們應該也要提出一些更具體的建議要求跨部會應該要趕快完成\n\n13\n00:04:02,145 --> 00:04:24,590\n那這個部分上我在問針對尚未完成的文本潛力點我們看到烏山頭水庫嘉南大郡大屯火山群水晶酒礦業遺址太武閣國家公園玉山國家公園文本何時的完成我想你們目前有沒有一個具體的期程\n\n14\n00:04:25,936 --> 00:04:41,866\n有沒有相關要推動的一個計畫我們是以鼓勵的方式並沒有直接的要求一定要什麼時候完成那目前至少那個內政部看起來這個鼓勵已經有提案了內政部已經有提案我們會盡快的補助他們然後請他們在一兩年的時間內兩年的時間內那你的鼓勵有鼓勵的計畫嗎\n\n15\n00:04:52,407 --> 00:05:09,138\n就是補助費用看怎麼樣提升然後我們也是透過我們剛剛我們在那你要不要檢討一下是不是誘因不夠還是他們完全就是覺得不一定想做所以這個部分上的檢討我是想說是不是了解一下好那當然\n\n16\n00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:37,911\n應該要誘因如何要夠因為文化部的預算真的不多然後要我們提出以內政部來講我們可以給他的預算但是跟他自己的本預算我知道也有限因為內政部的預算是非常龐大的但是我想說還是要跟行政院在院會裡面的時候在討論跨部會的部分多多溝通尤其是可能還要更高層級的長官多關心這個部分上我覺得這個還要再加強\n\n17\n00:05:39,111 --> 00:05:55,713\n那我們希望說這個對於18處的前提點要如何確保其保存的一個維護及管理策略跟國際的標準接軌剛剛也有委員提到我們實際所登錄的點跟看到具體的現況有一點差距我想這個部分上\n\n18\n00:05:56,374 --> 00:06:21,748\n我覺得就像今天我們所提到18處的前點阿里山生鐵為例如何因應氣候極端的一個問題對文化資產的一個潛在的威脅這個也是我們要去好好的去深究的那針對世界遺產的人才培育以及是否已經規劃長期的工作坊實地的參訪跟國際的合作這個部分呢\n\n19\n00:06:24,569 --> 00:06:50,311\n這個部分我們每一年都在做除了縣市針對他們自己主管的這些潛力點可以推出各種教育推廣或是宣傳計畫以外那我們文資局也會透過國際論壇辦理的時間同步的辦理了一些人才培育或者是工作方的這樣子的方式所以目前推動潛力點的教育宣導跟社區參與的成效如何\n\n20\n00:06:52,139 --> 00:07:18,499\n各縣市政府都有提報了一些案子啦那我們就是持續的補助那因為有的縣市就報過一次以後就沒有再往下繼續做了那這個事情我們還是補助有用完嗎這一部分的補助有啊就是先前來提報的除了做文本的篆擬之外其實都有附加了一個推廣教育的計畫那其實他們都結案了啦但只是說怎麼樣年度上鼓勵縣市政府持續的提案\n\n21\n00:07:19,554 --> 00:07:22,349\n因為你剛剛說就申請一次後續就沒再申請了嘛\n\n22\n00:07:23,687 --> 00:07:50,922\n對啊因為我們都有保溫界就是我們那個藥品都在那可是問題縣市政府自己不來申請就沒辦法所以我沒有說就責於你我是說為什麼他只申請一次是覺得他覺得一次就夠了嗎還是他覺得說後續不需要再繼續推廣這是不是可以再幫我們追蹤一下因為你有設立這個補助嘛你也了解一下他們使用的程度還有他的具體的成效有沒有什麼幫助或者是他覺得\n\n23\n00:07:52,483 --> 00:08:01,960\n民眾的回應是不是對於這個部分他覺得不需要再辦怎麼會有設立補助那他們覺得只申請一次這個我們也想去探究一下可以嗎\n\n24\n00:08:03,049 --> 00:08:16,563\n所以我們再把各縣市申請的情形跟他們執行的計畫內容把這些資料再整理好這也是我剛剛所想去探討所以報告裡面有提到111到112補助8個縣市辦理9案的計畫113到114補助11個縣市辦理12案的計畫\n\n25\n00:08:25,111 --> 00:08:33,884\n我都很想請問說市長你覺得這些不管是剛剛所提到9案計劃12案計劃這些補助計劃的執行成效你滿意嗎你有大概了解嗎\n\n26\n00:08:36,755 --> 00:09:04,337\n以參與的人數上來講當然都還是偏少參與的人數上那我想說如何讓這些計畫這些教育計畫或是人才培育計畫能夠再有更有效的進行這文資局會的同仁會跟地方縣市政府一起再來研究因為我是覺得說你的這些補助計畫我覺得都是利益良善的支持可是為什麼他們的一些人數上的推廣\n\n27\n00:09:05,538 --> 00:09:28,917\n不夠更有成效那這個部分上我是覺得說尤其這18個點潛力點我覺得他們都是一個很棒的點那為什麼地方政府在配合上在具體的推廣說沒有辦法這麼達到有效所以我們還可以再進一步的去了解計畫上是不是可以再更加精進可能也要協助他們精進他們的計畫不是只是單一的補助\n\n28\n00:09:30,298 --> 00:09:40,004\n讓他們的計畫能夠更完善或是更具吸引力我覺得這個部分上可能也有要仰賴主管機關你們再加油一下我們會跟地方政府一起來努力\n\n29\n00:09:41,189 --> 00:09:58,486\n好那另外我想請問一下就是我們現在呢身心障礙者權益保障法相關的問題跟你請教一下依據身心障礙權益保障法第二條文化部負責身心障礙者精神生活之充實與藝文活動參與之規劃\n\n30\n00:10:01,269 --> 00:10:26,838\n推動及監督具體的包括推動文化平權促進無障礙藝文活動完善文化設施無障礙的環境協助資訊取得的無障礙等那還有這個文化資訊展覽啊出版品啊無障礙格式的一個推動現況維和未來如何提升數位及無障礙服務的覆蓋率這個部分您可以回答一下嗎\n\n31\n00:10:28,543 --> 00:10:44,501\n好謝謝委員的提問對於無障礙的部分我想第一個像硬體的部分我們在所有的管社或者是不論是表演或者是展覽的場館裡頭管社一定都會做到無障礙的一個相關的設施坡道或是廁所這些都有符合\n\n32\n00:10:45,081 --> 00:11:01,748\n至於藝文活動的提供方面其實在票卷上依照身心障礙法必須要提供免費的票卷或是半價的票卷這個部分也都在票卷管理辦法裡面都有提到了所以簡單來講就是在基礎面\n\n33\n00:11:02,908 --> 00:11:30,380\n環境面的部分大概都做到可是如果更積極的像每一次的特展的時候那這個特展裡面我們怎麼樣讓各種不同障礙別的朋友可以得到這些展覽的形式或者是說剛剛講的表演啦電影啦怎麼樣可以讓各種不同障礙別的人可以去欣賞到我們這些文化創作這個事情我們會逐步的還是用補助的方式然後希望創作單位他可以來對\n\n34\n00:11:32,521 --> 00:11:49,022\n各種不同障礙別的朋友提供各項的服務無障礙的部分我是蠻關心的那我一剛上任的時候我也去處理我們的這個國慢館無障礙的一些脅迫到的一些問題這個部分我希望你們要再多加注意但是我要提醒障別啊有很多種\n\n35\n00:11:50,403 --> 00:12:03,847\n視障也是一種障別有很多視障的朋友向我們反映在文化部在身心障礙權益保護的這一個區塊視障是做得比較差根本不及格像是藝文活動的語音導覽嚴重不足\n\n36\n00:12:06,008 --> 00:12:30,860\n不是每一場藝文活動都有語音導覽迫使視障者只能去看去被選擇有語音導覽的展覽無法自由選擇想參加的展覽還有表演只能被動配合嚴重影響了文化平權我希望這個文化部應該要精進那今天我就不再讓你再說怎麼精進啊朝偉又站起來但是我要提出就是我遇到了這樣的狀況\n\n37\n00:12:31,980 --> 00:12:55,950\n也實際遇到的確並不是每一個展覽都一定有語音刀爛這部分真的要想辦法再精進再者市帳之外也有不少身帳朋友向我反映許多展演特別是給外包廠商來執行的部分毫無無障礙的概念說就以購票好了啦有些售票櫃台做的跟成人一樣高輪椅族怎麼購買\n\n38\n00:12:57,490 --> 00:13:08,139\n這個部分上針對現行售票櫃台高度的不符標準我希望你們有一些普查了解然後看經濟方案限期改善這部分可以嗎你可以答應我嗎一個月給我回應可以嗎\n\n39\n00:13:12,222 --> 00:13:28,469\n你後面搖頭很快我想一個月馬上搖頭兩個月好不好兩個月我們來做一個普查你後面搖頭的很快我有看到啦可以體諒兩個月這樣可以嗎可以點頭嗎好謝謝羅庭瑋委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n369\t28888\t次長好 有請理事長好 次長好就書面報告的內容今天我們有幾項來跟大家一起來探討那前面有許多的委員呢其實也都專注在這些點上但是我覺得有些問題我們還是想再繼續探究來跟你詢問民國92年開始我們推動世界遺產的潛力點作業至今已經納入了阿里山森林鐵道\n29528\t50840\t泰鲁格国家公园玉山台湾族以及鲁凯族石板屋的一个聚落金门战地的文化景观澎湖玄武岩的一个自然保护区悲难遗址以及都兰山区那我们目前看到这些都是台湾珍贵的资产这些潜力点无论是在历史意义生态价值\n51360\t65351\t甚至是文化代表上都皆具國際的一個水準但是目前因為國際政治的一個環境因素使然台灣並非聯合國教科文組的一個會員那也不是世界遺產公約的締約國\n67893\t85480\t那我們現在難以實際申請世界遺產的一個登錄想先請問一下次長在現有的這個國際環境之下除了持續的參與國際組織辦理國際的論壇甚至邀請國際專家學者交流是否還有沒有突破性的一個策略規劃\n86801\t100915\t我們例如我們建議上國際民間的組織或者是非官方的一個機構的合作提升台灣文化資產的國際能見度的認同在國際上也能夠曝光這部分上你們有沒有規劃\n103911\t122753\t謝謝委員的提問就像您說說因為陷於政治的一個難題所以我們不能夠正式提出申請可是如何讓這些潛力點能夠被國際看見我們它的文化價值或者是我們民眾對它的一個支持跟努力的觀光價值這個部分其實就是我們的工作重點\n123334\t133607\t那這個工作的方式包括除了用國際論壇的時候能夠邀集一些在ICOM或者是ECOMOS或UNESCO的重要的一些評審的委員們能夠到台灣來實際看我們的一個執行的一個狀況以外那我們也會透過一個國際的宣導的部分我們的會員\n142898\t162043\t如果台灣有一些專家學者或是文字局本身去參加國際會議的時候也會主動的把我們這些準備好的資料我們準備的情形帶到國際上去跟國際社會做一個說明以上所以你們目前有沒有具體的跟國際民間組織跟非官方的機構合作的期程\n163441\t184282\t我們一直都有在努力合作我們也參加了好幾個國際的組織後續如果有相關的這些具體期程可不可以資料給我們一下好 沒有問題好嗎 謝謝那我們想了解一下這個相關的時間期程表那截至113年18處的潛力點已有11處完成文本還有7處未完成 次長這個進度你滿意嗎\n187538\t197023\t當然我知道大家都不滿意那我們也努力在協調這些主管機關請他們盡快的提出計畫市有什麼困境然後這個沒辦法期數為完成\n198622\t218999\t因為現在看起來主管救援主要都是比較屬於自然遺產的就是內政部國家公園的這一塊那當然內政部可能就覺得他們不善於沒有申請文化遺產的不重要不是不是他們沒有申請過文化遺產的這一方面的經驗啦所以我們也一直在所以你要加強協助輔導囉對好不好\n221221\t241484\t那這個部分上我們還是希望這個進度今天很多的委員都有在關心我們希望說這個部分上能夠有所突破跨部會的協調甚至從行政院院長這個部分的院會我想內部的一些院會報告我想你們應該也要提出一些更具體的建議要求跨部會應該要趕快完成\n242145\t264590\t那這個部分上我在問 針對尚未完成的文本潛力點我們看到 烏山頭水庫 嘉南大郡 大屯火山群 水晶酒礦業遺址 太武閣國家公園 玉山國家公園文本何時的完成 我想你們目前有沒有一個具體的期程\n265936\t281866\t有沒有相關要推動的一個計畫我們是以鼓勵的方式並沒有直接的要求一定要什麼時候完成那目前至少那個內政部看起來這個鼓勵已經有提案了內政部已經有提案我們會盡快的補助他們然後請他們在一兩年的時間內兩年的時間內那你的鼓勵有鼓勵的計畫嗎\n292407\t309138\t就是補助費用看怎麼樣提升然後我們也是透過我們剛剛我們在那你要不要檢討一下是不是誘因不夠還是他們完全就是覺得不一定想做所以這個部分上的檢討我是想說是不是了解一下好那當然\n310680\t337911\t應該要誘因如何要夠因為文化部的預算真的不多然後要我們提出以內政部來講我們可以給他的預算但是跟他自己的本預算我知道也有限因為內政部的預算是非常龐大的但是我想說還是要跟行政院在院會裡面的時候在討論跨部會的部分多多溝通尤其是可能還要更高層級的長官多關心這個部分上我覺得這個還要再加強\n339111\t355713\t那我們希望說這個對於18處的前提點要如何確保其保存的一個維護及管理策略跟國際的標準接軌剛剛也有委員提到我們實際所登錄的點跟看到具體的現況有一點差距我想這個部分上\n356374\t381748\t我覺得就像今天我們所提到18處的前點阿里山生鐵為例如何因應氣候極端的一個問題對文化資產的一個潛在的威脅這個也是我們要去好好的去深究的那針對世界遺產的人才培育以及是否已經規劃長期的工作坊實地的參訪跟國際的合作這個部分呢\n384569\t410311\t這個部分我們每一年都在做除了縣市針對他們自己主管的這些潛力點可以推出各種教育推廣或是宣傳計畫以外那我們文資局也會透過國際論壇辦理的時間同步的辦理了一些人才培育或者是工作方的這樣子的方式所以目前推動潛力點的教育宣導跟社區參與的成效如何\n412139\t438499\t各縣市政府都有提報了一些案子啦那我們就是持續的補助那因為有的縣市就報過一次以後就沒有再往下繼續做了那這個事情我們還是補助有用完嗎這一部分的補助有啊就是先前來提報的除了做文本的篆擬之外其實都有附加了一個推廣教育的計畫那其實他們都結案了啦但只是說怎麼樣年度上鼓勵縣市政府持續的提案\n439554\t442349\t因為你剛剛說就申請一次後續就沒再申請了嘛\n443687\t470922\t對啊因為我們都有保溫界就是我們那個藥品都在那可是問題縣市政府自己不來申請就沒辦法所以我沒有說就責於你我是說為什麼他只申請一次是覺得他覺得一次就夠了嗎還是他覺得說後續不需要再繼續推廣這是不是可以再幫我們追蹤一下因為你有設立這個補助嘛你也了解一下他們使用的程度還有他的具體的成效有沒有什麼幫助或者是他覺得\n472483\t481960\t民眾的回應是不是對於這個部分他覺得不需要再辦怎麼會有設立補助那他們覺得只申請一次這個我們也想去探究一下可以嗎\n483049\t496563\t所以我們再把各縣市申請的情形跟他們執行的計畫內容把這些資料再整理好這也是我剛剛所想去探討所以報告裡面有提到111到112補助8個縣市辦理9案的計畫113到114補助11個縣市辦理12案的計畫\n505111\t513884\t我都很想請問說市長你覺得這些不管是剛剛所提到9案計劃12案計劃這些補助計劃的執行成效你滿意嗎你有大概了解嗎\n516755\t544337\t以參與的人數上來講當然都還是偏少參與的人數上那我想說如何讓這些計畫這些教育計畫或是人才培育計畫能夠再有更有效的進行這文資局會的同仁會跟地方縣市政府一起再來研究因為我是覺得說你的這些補助計畫我覺得都是利益良善的支持可是為什麼他們的一些人數上的推廣\n545538\t568917\t不夠更有成效那這個部分上我是覺得說尤其這18個點潛力點我覺得他們都是一個很棒的點那為什麼地方政府在配合上在具體的推廣說沒有辦法這麼達到有效所以我們還可以再進一步的去了解計畫上是不是可以再更加精進可能也要協助他們精進他們的計畫不是只是單一的補助\n570298\t580004\t讓他們的計畫能夠更完善或是更具吸引力我覺得這個部分上可能也有要仰賴主管機關你們再加油一下我們會跟地方政府一起來努力\n581189\t598486\t好那另外我想請問一下就是我們現在呢身心障礙者權益保障法相關的問題跟你請教一下依據身心障礙權益保障法第二條文化部負責身心障礙者精神生活之充實與藝文活動參與之規劃\n601269\t626838\t推動及監督具體的包括推動文化平權促進無障礙藝文活動完善文化設施無障礙的環境協助資訊取得的無障礙等那還有這個文化資訊展覽啊出版品啊無障礙格式的一個推動現況維和未來如何提升數位及無障礙服務的覆蓋率這個部分您可以回答一下嗎\n628543\t644501\t好 謝謝委員的提問對於無障礙的部分我想第一個像硬體的部分我們在所有的管社或者是不論是表演或者是展覽的場館裡頭管社一定都會做到無障礙的一個相關的設施坡道或是廁所這些都有符合\n645081\t661748\t至於藝文活動的提供方面其實在票卷上依照身心障礙法必須要提供免費的票卷或是半價的票卷這個部分也都在票卷管理辦法裡面都有提到了所以簡單來講就是在基礎面\n662908\t690380\t環境面的部分大概都做到可是如果更積極的像每一次的特展的時候那這個特展裡面我們怎麼樣讓各種不同障礙別的朋友可以得到這些展覽的形式或者是說剛剛講的表演啦電影啦怎麼樣可以讓各種不同障礙別的人可以去欣賞到我們這些文化創作這個事情我們會逐步的還是用補助的方式然後希望創作單位他可以來對\n692521\t709022\t各種不同障礙別的朋友提供各項的服務無障礙的部分我是蠻關心的那我一剛上任的時候我也去處理我們的這個國慢館無障礙的一些脅迫到的一些問題這個部分我希望你們要再多加注意但是我要提醒障別啊有很多種\n710403\t723847\t視障也是一種障別有很多視障的朋友向我們反映在文化部在身心障礙權益保護的這一個區塊視障是做得比較差根本不及格像是藝文活動的語音導覽嚴重不足\n726008\t750860\t不是每一場藝文活動都有語音導覽迫使視障者只能去看去被選擇有語音導覽的展覽無法自由選擇想參加的展覽還有表演只能被動配合嚴重影響了文化平權我希望這個文化部應該要精進那今天我就不再讓你再說怎麼精進啊 朝偉又站起來但是我要提出就是我遇到了這樣的狀況\n751980\t775950\t也實際遇到的確並不是每一個展覽都一定有語音刀爛這部分真的要想辦法再精進再者市帳之外也有不少身帳朋友向我反映許多展演特別是給外包廠商來執行的部分毫無無障礙的概念說就以購票好了啦有些售票櫃台做的跟成人一樣高輪椅族怎麼購買\n777490\t788139\t這個部分上 針對現行售票櫃台高度的不符標準我希望你們有一些普查 了解 然後看經濟方案 限期改善這部分可以嗎 你可以答應我嗎一個月給我回應可以嗎\n792222\t808469\t你後面搖頭很快 我想一個月馬上搖頭兩個月好不好兩個月我們來做一個普查你後面搖頭的很快 我有看到啦可以體諒 兩個月這樣可以嗎 可以點頭嗎好 謝謝羅庭瑋委員\n","txt":"次長好 有請理事長好 次長好就書面報告的內容今天我們有幾項來跟大家一起來探討那前面有許多的委員呢其實也都專注在這些點上但是我覺得有些問題我們還是想再繼續探究來跟你詢問民國92年開始我們推動世界遺產的潛力點作業至今已經納入了阿里山森林鐵道\n泰鲁格国家公园玉山台湾族以及鲁凯族石板屋的一个聚落金门战地的文化景观澎湖玄武岩的一个自然保护区悲难遗址以及都兰山区那我们目前看到这些都是台湾珍贵的资产这些潜力点无论是在历史意义生态价值\n甚至是文化代表上都皆具國際的一個水準但是目前因為國際政治的一個環境因素使然台灣並非聯合國教科文組的一個會員那也不是世界遺產公約的締約國\n那我們現在難以實際申請世界遺產的一個登錄想先請問一下次長在現有的這個國際環境之下除了持續的參與國際組織辦理國際的論壇甚至邀請國際專家學者交流是否還有沒有突破性的一個策略規劃\n我們例如我們建議上國際民間的組織或者是非官方的一個機構的合作提升台灣文化資產的國際能見度的認同在國際上也能夠曝光這部分上你們有沒有規劃\n謝謝委員的提問就像您說說因為陷於政治的一個難題所以我們不能夠正式提出申請可是如何讓這些潛力點能夠被國際看見我們它的文化價值或者是我們民眾對它的一個支持跟努力的觀光價值這個部分其實就是我們的工作重點\n那這個工作的方式包括除了用國際論壇的時候能夠邀集一些在ICOM或者是ECOMOS或UNESCO的重要的一些評審的委員們能夠到台灣來實際看我們的一個執行的一個狀況以外那我們也會透過一個國際的宣導的部分我們的會員\n如果台灣有一些專家學者或是文字局本身去參加國際會議的時候也會主動的把我們這些準備好的資料我們準備的情形帶到國際上去跟國際社會做一個說明以上所以你們目前有沒有具體的跟國際民間組織跟非官方的機構合作的期程\n我們一直都有在努力合作我們也參加了好幾個國際的組織後續如果有相關的這些具體期程可不可以資料給我們一下好 沒有問題好嗎 謝謝那我們想了解一下這個相關的時間期程表那截至113年18處的潛力點已有11處完成文本還有7處未完成 次長這個進度你滿意嗎\n當然我知道大家都不滿意那我們也努力在協調這些主管機關請他們盡快的提出計畫市有什麼困境然後這個沒辦法期數為完成\n因為現在看起來主管救援主要都是比較屬於自然遺產的就是內政部國家公園的這一塊那當然內政部可能就覺得他們不善於沒有申請文化遺產的不重要不是不是他們沒有申請過文化遺產的這一方面的經驗啦所以我們也一直在所以你要加強協助輔導囉對好不好\n那這個部分上我們還是希望這個進度今天很多的委員都有在關心我們希望說這個部分上能夠有所突破跨部會的協調甚至從行政院院長這個部分的院會我想內部的一些院會報告我想你們應該也要提出一些更具體的建議要求跨部會應該要趕快完成\n那這個部分上我在問 針對尚未完成的文本潛力點我們看到 烏山頭水庫 嘉南大郡 大屯火山群 水晶酒礦業遺址 太武閣國家公園 玉山國家公園文本何時的完成 我想你們目前有沒有一個具體的期程\n有沒有相關要推動的一個計畫我們是以鼓勵的方式並沒有直接的要求一定要什麼時候完成那目前至少那個內政部看起來這個鼓勵已經有提案了內政部已經有提案我們會盡快的補助他們然後請他們在一兩年的時間內兩年的時間內那你的鼓勵有鼓勵的計畫嗎\n就是補助費用看怎麼樣提升然後我們也是透過我們剛剛我們在那你要不要檢討一下是不是誘因不夠還是他們完全就是覺得不一定想做所以這個部分上的檢討我是想說是不是了解一下好那當然\n應該要誘因如何要夠因為文化部的預算真的不多然後要我們提出以內政部來講我們可以給他的預算但是跟他自己的本預算我知道也有限因為內政部的預算是非常龐大的但是我想說還是要跟行政院在院會裡面的時候在討論跨部會的部分多多溝通尤其是可能還要更高層級的長官多關心這個部分上我覺得這個還要再加強\n那我們希望說這個對於18處的前提點要如何確保其保存的一個維護及管理策略跟國際的標準接軌剛剛也有委員提到我們實際所登錄的點跟看到具體的現況有一點差距我想這個部分上\n我覺得就像今天我們所提到18處的前點阿里山生鐵為例如何因應氣候極端的一個問題對文化資產的一個潛在的威脅這個也是我們要去好好的去深究的那針對世界遺產的人才培育以及是否已經規劃長期的工作坊實地的參訪跟國際的合作這個部分呢\n這個部分我們每一年都在做除了縣市針對他們自己主管的這些潛力點可以推出各種教育推廣或是宣傳計畫以外那我們文資局也會透過國際論壇辦理的時間同步的辦理了一些人才培育或者是工作方的這樣子的方式所以目前推動潛力點的教育宣導跟社區參與的成效如何\n各縣市政府都有提報了一些案子啦那我們就是持續的補助那因為有的縣市就報過一次以後就沒有再往下繼續做了那這個事情我們還是補助有用完嗎這一部分的補助有啊就是先前來提報的除了做文本的篆擬之外其實都有附加了一個推廣教育的計畫那其實他們都結案了啦但只是說怎麼樣年度上鼓勵縣市政府持續的提案\n因為你剛剛說就申請一次後續就沒再申請了嘛\n對啊因為我們都有保溫界就是我們那個藥品都在那可是問題縣市政府自己不來申請就沒辦法所以我沒有說就責於你我是說為什麼他只申請一次是覺得他覺得一次就夠了嗎還是他覺得說後續不需要再繼續推廣這是不是可以再幫我們追蹤一下因為你有設立這個補助嘛你也了解一下他們使用的程度還有他的具體的成效有沒有什麼幫助或者是他覺得\n民眾的回應是不是對於這個部分他覺得不需要再辦怎麼會有設立補助那他們覺得只申請一次這個我們也想去探究一下可以嗎\n所以我們再把各縣市申請的情形跟他們執行的計畫內容把這些資料再整理好這也是我剛剛所想去探討所以報告裡面有提到111到112補助8個縣市辦理9案的計畫113到114補助11個縣市辦理12案的計畫\n我都很想請問說市長你覺得這些不管是剛剛所提到9案計劃12案計劃這些補助計劃的執行成效你滿意嗎你有大概了解嗎\n以參與的人數上來講當然都還是偏少參與的人數上那我想說如何讓這些計畫這些教育計畫或是人才培育計畫能夠再有更有效的進行這文資局會的同仁會跟地方縣市政府一起再來研究因為我是覺得說你的這些補助計畫我覺得都是利益良善的支持可是為什麼他們的一些人數上的推廣\n不夠更有成效那這個部分上我是覺得說尤其這18個點潛力點我覺得他們都是一個很棒的點那為什麼地方政府在配合上在具體的推廣說沒有辦法這麼達到有效所以我們還可以再進一步的去了解計畫上是不是可以再更加精進可能也要協助他們精進他們的計畫不是只是單一的補助\n讓他們的計畫能夠更完善或是更具吸引力我覺得這個部分上可能也有要仰賴主管機關你們再加油一下我們會跟地方政府一起來努力\n好那另外我想請問一下就是我們現在呢身心障礙者權益保障法相關的問題跟你請教一下依據身心障礙權益保障法第二條文化部負責身心障礙者精神生活之充實與藝文活動參與之規劃\n推動及監督具體的包括推動文化平權促進無障礙藝文活動完善文化設施無障礙的環境協助資訊取得的無障礙等那還有這個文化資訊展覽啊出版品啊無障礙格式的一個推動現況維和未來如何提升數位及無障礙服務的覆蓋率這個部分您可以回答一下嗎\n好 謝謝委員的提問對於無障礙的部分我想第一個像硬體的部分我們在所有的管社或者是不論是表演或者是展覽的場館裡頭管社一定都會做到無障礙的一個相關的設施坡道或是廁所這些都有符合\n至於藝文活動的提供方面其實在票卷上依照身心障礙法必須要提供免費的票卷或是半價的票卷這個部分也都在票卷管理辦法裡面都有提到了所以簡單來講就是在基礎面\n環境面的部分大概都做到可是如果更積極的像每一次的特展的時候那這個特展裡面我們怎麼樣讓各種不同障礙別的朋友可以得到這些展覽的形式或者是說剛剛講的表演啦電影啦怎麼樣可以讓各種不同障礙別的人可以去欣賞到我們這些文化創作這個事情我們會逐步的還是用補助的方式然後希望創作單位他可以來對\n各種不同障礙別的朋友提供各項的服務無障礙的部分我是蠻關心的那我一剛上任的時候我也去處理我們的這個國慢館無障礙的一些脅迫到的一些問題這個部分我希望你們要再多加注意但是我要提醒障別啊有很多種\n視障也是一種障別有很多視障的朋友向我們反映在文化部在身心障礙權益保護的這一個區塊視障是做得比較差根本不及格像是藝文活動的語音導覽嚴重不足\n不是每一場藝文活動都有語音導覽迫使視障者只能去看去被選擇有語音導覽的展覽無法自由選擇想參加的展覽還有表演只能被動配合嚴重影響了文化平權我希望這個文化部應該要精進那今天我就不再讓你再說怎麼精進啊 朝偉又站起來但是我要提出就是我遇到了這樣的狀況\n也實際遇到的確並不是每一個展覽都一定有語音刀爛這部分真的要想辦法再精進再者市帳之外也有不少身帳朋友向我反映許多展演特別是給外包廠商來執行的部分毫無無障礙的概念說就以購票好了啦有些售票櫃台做的跟成人一樣高輪椅族怎麼購買\n這個部分上 針對現行售票櫃台高度的不符標準我希望你們有一些普查 了解 然後看經濟方案 限期改善這部分可以嗎 你可以答應我嗎一個月給我回應可以嗎\n你後面搖頭很快 我想一個月馬上搖頭兩個月好不好兩個月我們來做一個普查你後面搖頭的很快 我有看到啦可以體諒 兩個月這樣可以嗎 可以點頭嗎好 謝謝羅庭瑋委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.369 --> 00:28.888\n次長好有請理事長好次長好就書面報告的內容今天我們有幾項來跟大家一起來探討那前面有許多的委員呢其實也都專注在這些點上但是我覺得有些問題我們還是想再繼續探究來跟你詢問民國92年開始我們推動世界遺產的潛力點作業至今已經納入了阿里山森林鐵道\n\n00:29.528 --> 00:50.840\n泰鲁格国家公园玉山台湾族以及鲁凯族石板屋的一个聚落金门战地的文化景观澎湖玄武岩的一个自然保护区悲难遗址以及都兰山区那我们目前看到这些都是台湾珍贵的资产这些潜力点无论是在历史意义生态价值\n\n00:51.360 --> 01:05.351\n甚至是文化代表上都皆具國際的一個水準但是目前因為國際政治的一個環境因素使然台灣並非聯合國教科文組的一個會員那也不是世界遺產公約的締約國\n\n01:07.893 --> 01:25.480\n那我們現在難以實際申請世界遺產的一個登錄想先請問一下次長在現有的這個國際環境之下除了持續的參與國際組織辦理國際的論壇甚至邀請國際專家學者交流是否還有沒有突破性的一個策略規劃\n\n01:26.801 --> 01:40.915\n我們例如我們建議上國際民間的組織或者是非官方的一個機構的合作提升台灣文化資產的國際能見度的認同在國際上也能夠曝光這部分上你們有沒有規劃\n\n01:43.911 --> 02:02.753\n謝謝委員的提問就像您說說因為陷於政治的一個難題所以我們不能夠正式提出申請可是如何讓這些潛力點能夠被國際看見我們它的文化價值或者是我們民眾對它的一個支持跟努力的觀光價值這個部分其實就是我們的工作重點\n\n02:03.334 --> 02:13.607\n那這個工作的方式包括除了用國際論壇的時候能夠邀集一些在ICOM或者是ECOMOS或UNESCO的重要的一些評審的委員們能夠到台灣來實際看我們的一個執行的一個狀況以外那我們也會透過一個國際的宣導的部分我們的會員\n\n02:22.898 --> 02:42.043\n如果台灣有一些專家學者或是文字局本身去參加國際會議的時候也會主動的把我們這些準備好的資料我們準備的情形帶到國際上去跟國際社會做一個說明以上所以你們目前有沒有具體的跟國際民間組織跟非官方的機構合作的期程\n\n02:43.441 --> 03:04.282\n我們一直都有在努力合作我們也參加了好幾個國際的組織後續如果有相關的這些具體期程可不可以資料給我們一下好沒有問題好嗎謝謝那我們想了解一下這個相關的時間期程表那截至113年18處的潛力點已有11處完成文本還有7處未完成次長這個進度你滿意嗎\n\n03:07.538 --> 03:17.023\n當然我知道大家都不滿意那我們也努力在協調這些主管機關請他們盡快的提出計畫市有什麼困境然後這個沒辦法期數為完成\n\n03:18.622 --> 03:38.999\n因為現在看起來主管救援主要都是比較屬於自然遺產的就是內政部國家公園的這一塊那當然內政部可能就覺得他們不善於沒有申請文化遺產的不重要不是不是他們沒有申請過文化遺產的這一方面的經驗啦所以我們也一直在所以你要加強協助輔導囉對好不好\n\n03:41.221 --> 04:01.484\n那這個部分上我們還是希望這個進度今天很多的委員都有在關心我們希望說這個部分上能夠有所突破跨部會的協調甚至從行政院院長這個部分的院會我想內部的一些院會報告我想你們應該也要提出一些更具體的建議要求跨部會應該要趕快完成\n\n04:02.145 --> 04:24.590\n那這個部分上我在問針對尚未完成的文本潛力點我們看到烏山頭水庫嘉南大郡大屯火山群水晶酒礦業遺址太武閣國家公園玉山國家公園文本何時的完成我想你們目前有沒有一個具體的期程\n\n04:25.936 --> 04:41.866\n有沒有相關要推動的一個計畫我們是以鼓勵的方式並沒有直接的要求一定要什麼時候完成那目前至少那個內政部看起來這個鼓勵已經有提案了內政部已經有提案我們會盡快的補助他們然後請他們在一兩年的時間內兩年的時間內那你的鼓勵有鼓勵的計畫嗎\n\n04:52.407 --> 05:09.138\n就是補助費用看怎麼樣提升然後我們也是透過我們剛剛我們在那你要不要檢討一下是不是誘因不夠還是他們完全就是覺得不一定想做所以這個部分上的檢討我是想說是不是了解一下好那當然\n\n05:10.680 --> 05:37.911\n應該要誘因如何要夠因為文化部的預算真的不多然後要我們提出以內政部來講我們可以給他的預算但是跟他自己的本預算我知道也有限因為內政部的預算是非常龐大的但是我想說還是要跟行政院在院會裡面的時候在討論跨部會的部分多多溝通尤其是可能還要更高層級的長官多關心這個部分上我覺得這個還要再加強\n\n05:39.111 --> 05:55.713\n那我們希望說這個對於18處的前提點要如何確保其保存的一個維護及管理策略跟國際的標準接軌剛剛也有委員提到我們實際所登錄的點跟看到具體的現況有一點差距我想這個部分上\n\n05:56.374 --> 06:21.748\n我覺得就像今天我們所提到18處的前點阿里山生鐵為例如何因應氣候極端的一個問題對文化資產的一個潛在的威脅這個也是我們要去好好的去深究的那針對世界遺產的人才培育以及是否已經規劃長期的工作坊實地的參訪跟國際的合作這個部分呢\n\n06:24.569 --> 06:50.311\n這個部分我們每一年都在做除了縣市針對他們自己主管的這些潛力點可以推出各種教育推廣或是宣傳計畫以外那我們文資局也會透過國際論壇辦理的時間同步的辦理了一些人才培育或者是工作方的這樣子的方式所以目前推動潛力點的教育宣導跟社區參與的成效如何\n\n06:52.139 --> 07:18.499\n各縣市政府都有提報了一些案子啦那我們就是持續的補助那因為有的縣市就報過一次以後就沒有再往下繼續做了那這個事情我們還是補助有用完嗎這一部分的補助有啊就是先前來提報的除了做文本的篆擬之外其實都有附加了一個推廣教育的計畫那其實他們都結案了啦但只是說怎麼樣年度上鼓勵縣市政府持續的提案\n\n07:19.554 --> 07:22.349\n因為你剛剛說就申請一次後續就沒再申請了嘛\n\n07:23.687 --> 07:50.922\n對啊因為我們都有保溫界就是我們那個藥品都在那可是問題縣市政府自己不來申請就沒辦法所以我沒有說就責於你我是說為什麼他只申請一次是覺得他覺得一次就夠了嗎還是他覺得說後續不需要再繼續推廣這是不是可以再幫我們追蹤一下因為你有設立這個補助嘛你也了解一下他們使用的程度還有他的具體的成效有沒有什麼幫助或者是他覺得\n\n07:52.483 --> 08:01.960\n民眾的回應是不是對於這個部分他覺得不需要再辦怎麼會有設立補助那他們覺得只申請一次這個我們也想去探究一下可以嗎\n\n08:03.049 --> 08:16.563\n所以我們再把各縣市申請的情形跟他們執行的計畫內容把這些資料再整理好這也是我剛剛所想去探討所以報告裡面有提到111到112補助8個縣市辦理9案的計畫113到114補助11個縣市辦理12案的計畫\n\n08:25.111 --> 08:33.884\n我都很想請問說市長你覺得這些不管是剛剛所提到9案計劃12案計劃這些補助計劃的執行成效你滿意嗎你有大概了解嗎\n\n08:36.755 --> 09:04.337\n以參與的人數上來講當然都還是偏少參與的人數上那我想說如何讓這些計畫這些教育計畫或是人才培育計畫能夠再有更有效的進行這文資局會的同仁會跟地方縣市政府一起再來研究因為我是覺得說你的這些補助計畫我覺得都是利益良善的支持可是為什麼他們的一些人數上的推廣\n\n09:05.538 --> 09:28.917\n不夠更有成效那這個部分上我是覺得說尤其這18個點潛力點我覺得他們都是一個很棒的點那為什麼地方政府在配合上在具體的推廣說沒有辦法這麼達到有效所以我們還可以再進一步的去了解計畫上是不是可以再更加精進可能也要協助他們精進他們的計畫不是只是單一的補助\n\n09:30.298 --> 09:40.004\n讓他們的計畫能夠更完善或是更具吸引力我覺得這個部分上可能也有要仰賴主管機關你們再加油一下我們會跟地方政府一起來努力\n\n09:41.189 --> 09:58.486\n好那另外我想請問一下就是我們現在呢身心障礙者權益保障法相關的問題跟你請教一下依據身心障礙權益保障法第二條文化部負責身心障礙者精神生活之充實與藝文活動參與之規劃\n\n10:01.269 --> 10:26.838\n推動及監督具體的包括推動文化平權促進無障礙藝文活動完善文化設施無障礙的環境協助資訊取得的無障礙等那還有這個文化資訊展覽啊出版品啊無障礙格式的一個推動現況維和未來如何提升數位及無障礙服務的覆蓋率這個部分您可以回答一下嗎\n\n10:28.543 --> 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