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00:01:26,020\n衛生福利資料的一些管理條例那送到這個行政院以後行政院就根據當初憲判制的一些要求來做相關的限縮不過我們也知道其實這麼多好的數據如何能夠讓全民來使用\n\n5\n00:01:27,300 --> 00:01:45,633\n來增進全民的健康福利是非常非常的重要那如果我們今天討論的是有關於這個健保的相關資料的話是比較相對可惜的因為我們從之前資科中心的架構裡面就可以發現基本上是有包括基礎資料庫\n\n6\n00:01:47,074 --> 00:02:03,288\n健保署健康署機關署還有社家署很多很多的資料事實上是可以經過統計處的處理以後讓資訊處能夠在法規跟治安相關的這些處理之下能夠讓他做一個很好的統計應用\n\n7\n00:02:04,489 --> 00:02:30,649\n那当然这里面还必须要有一个应用管理的审议会这边是用一个审议会的方式来让这个资料的应用过程当中是可以让民众很安心让这个资料可以发挥最大的作用所以针对这一部分未来如果卫生福利资料整合的过程当中如果能够让主管机关资料的使用者还有资料提供者都更有保障\n\n8\n00:02:31,721 --> 00:02:35,616\n那這邊不知道部長有沒有法制化的時程列入規劃\n\n9\n00:02:37,231 --> 00:03:00,656\n我想謝謝委員因為剛開始光靠衛生福利資料後來經過多次的討論結果還是限縮在健保資料來應用上次的宪判另外有很多的健康的衛生福利相關的資料的確我們都是有一個嚴謹的方式在這個部分後續\n\n10\n00:03:02,316 --> 00:03:29,452\n後續可能還是持續以這樣的方式來先以這樣的方式來管理那如果委員你有什麼建議我想我們都會來改善的更周全好因為我們在經過下午的討論主條討論以後我們會提供一個附帶決議也希望能夠提供相關的法源作為以後討論的基礎好這個是第一個部分第二個部分就是有關於這個條例的一些\n\n11\n00:03:32,256 --> 00:03:53,074\n修法的建議包括說剛剛也討論過蠻多執議會那剛剛也知道之前其實就有審議會這樣的架構所以我們希望在執議跟審議當中可以有一個更好針對於這次大法官認為他必須要有一個獨立審查的機制那這個審議會這樣的\n\n12\n00:03:56,377 --> 00:04:11,288\n名稱或者是它的架構應該更有機會去得到社會的認同這是第一個部分那第二個部分我們也希望在這個審議會的組成裡面要有並有團體的代表那第三個部分就是將來\n\n13\n00:04:13,229 --> 00:04:28,681\n當然會有一個審查小組來做一個相關的審查的流程還有依據SOP來執行那這個部分我們希望外部專家裡面要有醫界的代表來協助讓整個審查更周全\n\n14\n00:04:29,321 --> 00:04:47,729\n那最後就是有關於申請目的外利用的這個資料應該要盡量的來公開那第一部分就是有關於為什麼我們要把這個自議會建議改成為審議會我們也知道其實剛剛有提到我目前的這個執行過程裡面已經有應用管理的審議會所以\n\n15\n00:04:51,331 --> 00:05:08,643\n這個審議會其實就是一個既有可以執行的部分所以如果能夠用審議會這樣的組成跟名稱的話期待就是更能夠符合憲法法庭對獨立監督機制的要求這部分部長不知道認不認同這個可以來討論第一個就是剛剛非常謝謝王委員在剛剛討論\n\n16\n00:05:18,444 --> 00:05:33,154\n提案說明的時候方面有提到或者幫忙解答就是說它是獨立監督機制所以要有這種機制那機制這個部分在衛福部上面當然有一個現在要成立一個個資保護委員會這個部分剛剛\n\n17\n00:05:38,357 --> 00:06:05,117\n那個主管機關也有報告過已經送到出去司法法治委員會那個的部分那我們這一本身衛福部本身就會有一個剛剛您提到的那個審查等一下有提到的審查小組那審查小組就有審查的功能那如果有矛盾的話有比較需要討論的話再送到市議會\n\n18\n00:06:06,107 --> 00:06:31,988\n來大家討論所以也是有審議的兩個合起來就有審議的成分在裡面但是就是說是不是會更practical一點因為案子很多不可能執意會一直審是由審查小組然後我們審查小組的委員有24個專家寫者當然也有來自醫界我們會按照他的那個屬性\n\n19\n00:06:33,289 --> 00:06:55,127\n去分配幾位專家去審這個就是審查的如果有疑惑的話就會到諮詢委員會大概這樣的模式請委員參考了解因為我們也知道其實在邱部長上任之前也在教學醫院\n\n20\n00:06:56,048 --> 00:07:22,371\n醫學中心擔任很多重要職務包括很多IRB的申請案件其實相關的部分在執行的時候我們施行辦法希望能夠把這些什麼情況下需要一般審查什麼情況下可以用檢疫審查的這些量能的方式來調控我想我們會利用下午時間再來討論不過我想大家可以再多考量有關於這個名稱的部分\n\n21\n00:07:23,092 --> 00:07:48,040\n那下一個問題就是有關於病友團體我們目前看到這個院版部分是沒有明定病友團體的代表那這個相對比較可惜因為其實我們是指健康資料就是健保資料所有健保我們關心的群眾都是病友所以我們也很期待能夠把這個病友團體的代表也能夠納進來\n\n22\n00:07:49,660 --> 00:08:15,176\n因為我們知道這個他們就是非常重要的這些關係人那如果能夠把他們納進來的話也更能夠符合大眾的期待那其實現行的健保會委裡面也有病友團體代表這部分也麻煩部長是不是也能夠來加一步考量讓這個病友代表能夠明文進到這個這個我們基本上是支持因為本來就是用人選團體代表來\n\n23\n00:08:17,117 --> 00:08:44,580\n包含那如果要明穩定的話我們也支持好謝謝那下一個問題就是有關於如何能夠讓我們這個結果公開還有審議以後的案件都能夠有機會透過目前的方式讓民眾多了解除了已經有做了研究也把這個成果公開的系統的同時\n\n24\n00:08:46,441 --> 00:09:06,036\n當案件經過了審查或審議或質疑以後他們還沒有執行之前已經得到同意可以執行的這些內容就有計畫來做適當的公開讓民眾也知道說未來有哪一些案子會透過\n\n25\n00:09:07,177 --> 00:09:23,455\n目前可以核准的方式来执行我相信对民众的这种安全感或者是对于他们如何配合会有更好的一个可行性所以我们也期待能够有这个方式来做修订或者是再来补强那这部分部长\n\n26\n00:09:24,796 --> 00:09:45,168\n我想讓民眾安心是政府應該做的責任我們會在這方面把它做得更周全剛剛提的審查小組這個部分我們本來就有議界的代表這沒有問題第二個就是公開這個也一直公開不管是最新的計畫剛剛看到的那個螢幕還有最新的成果都是公開透明\n\n27\n00:09:45,967 --> 00:10:06,342\n好因為我們目前看到行政院版的第14條的第三項裡面是有相關的這個要求不過針對公開的部分將來在做施行辦法的制定的時候也能夠把這些這個我們可以來修正文字好再麻煩你再來就是有關於現行資料的可進性的這個部分\n\n28\n00:10:07,162 --> 00:10:26,004\n因為我們知道現在很多在不管是透過已經核准的研究計畫要執行的時候他都很辛苦只在一個很有限的空間裡面去做相關資料統整以後才能夠吸出來做處理\n\n29\n00:10:27,586 --> 00:10:47,782\n那我們也了解這個是不得已的措施因為我們要讓這個資訊能夠在最安全的情形下做後續的處理不過其實我們很多的這個使用者的心聲大家也應該都聽過那其實整體科技跟資訊資通訊的技術發展的非常快\n\n30\n00:10:48,562 --> 00:11:08,323\n所以我們這部條例如果通過的話希望將來在資訊隱私與安全還有資料的可用性的部分呢可不可以有更好的資料使用的可靜性能夠更平衡的做法這個未來也期待我們有一些作為可以做整體的改善\n\n31\n00:11:10,114 --> 00:11:37,700\n這個是應該來一直來精進的怎麼樣評審的做法好那很期待我們今天下午經過討論以後可以讓整部的這個法案可以順利的去得到大家的同意當然最期待就是透過這個法律的處置以後讓民眾非常安心的知道在促進所有台灣人民的健康的照護的過程當中這些資訊是被非常\n\n32\n00:11:39,961 --> 00:11:49,261\n堅實的去守護大家資訊的安全那我們就下午繼續來討論謝謝謝謝委員的指教謝謝好謝謝王振旭委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2621\t4910\t好 謝謝主席我們還是請邱部長好 有請邱部長\n11331\t37086\t委員好部長好今天我們要來審查健保資料管理條例所以這邊有三個重點來跟部長一起討論一下第一個重點就是其實當初是用衛生福利資料整合的部分來想要做探討所以如何能夠針對法制化相關的衛生福利資料整合部分也希望能夠有機會來稍微討論一下\n38567\t64628\t那第二部分就是健保資料管理條例我們有一些修改的建議等一下也跟大家一起來討論是請部長這邊先了解一下那第三個就是改善現行資料可進性的問題有關於這個衛生福利資料的直接法制法的形成其實我們也知道在113年3月份的時候預告是要制定\n65428\t86020\t衛生福利資料的一些管理條例那送到這個行政院以後行政院就根據當初憲判制的一些要求來做相關的限縮不過我們也知道其實這麼多好的數據如何能夠讓全民來使用\n87300\t105633\t來增進全民的健康福利是非常非常的重要那如果我們今天討論的是有關於這個健保的相關資料的話是比較相對可惜的因為我們從之前資科中心的架構裡面就可以發現基本上是有包括基礎資料庫\n107074\t123288\t健保署 健康署 機關署 還有社家署很多很多的資料事實上是可以經過統計處的處理以後讓資訊處能夠在法規跟治安相關的這些處理之下能夠讓他做一個很好的統計應用\n124489\t150649\t那当然这里面还必须要有一个应用管理的审议会这边是用一个审议会的方式来让这个资料的应用过程当中是可以让民众很安心让这个资料可以发挥最大的作用所以针对这一部分未来如果卫生福利资料整合的过程当中如果能够让主管机关资料的使用者还有资料提供者都更有保障\n151721\t155616\t那這邊不知道部長有沒有法制化的時程列入規劃\n157231\t180656\t我想謝謝委員因為剛開始光靠衛生福利資料後來經過多次的討論結果還是限縮在健保資料來應用上次的宪判另外有很多的健康的衛生福利相關的資料的確我們都是有一個嚴謹的方式在這個部分後續\n182316\t209452\t後續可能還是持續以這樣的方式來先以這樣的方式來管理那如果委員你有什麼建議我想我們都會來改善的更周全好因為我們在經過下午的討論主條討論以後我們會提供一個附帶決議也希望能夠提供相關的法源作為以後討論的基礎好這個是第一個部分第二個部分就是有關於這個條例的一些\n212256\t233074\t修法的建議包括說剛剛也討論過蠻多執議會那剛剛也知道之前其實就有審議會這樣的架構所以我們希望在執議跟審議當中可以有一個更好針對於這次大法官認為他必須要有一個獨立審查的機制那這個審議會這樣的\n236377\t251288\t名稱或者是它的架構應該更有機會去得到社會的認同這是第一個部分那第二個部分我們也希望在這個審議會的組成裡面要有並有團體的代表那第三個部分就是將來\n253229\t268681\t當然會有一個審查小組來做一個相關的審查的流程還有依據SOP來執行那這個部分我們希望外部專家裡面要有醫界的代表來協助讓整個審查更周全\n269321\t287729\t那最後就是有關於申請目的外利用的這個資料應該要盡量的來公開那第一部分就是有關於為什麼我們要把這個自議會建議改成為審議會我們也知道其實剛剛有提到我目前的這個執行過程裡面已經有應用管理的審議會所以\n291331\t308643\t這個審議會其實就是一個既有可以執行的部分所以如果能夠用審議會這樣的組成跟名稱的話期待就是更能夠符合憲法法庭對獨立監督機制的要求這部分部長不知道認不認同這個可以來討論第一個就是剛剛非常謝謝王委員在剛剛討論\n318444\t333154\t提案說明的時候方面有提到或者幫忙解答就是說它是獨立監督機制所以要有這種機制那機制這個部分在衛福部上面當然有一個現在要成立一個個資保護委員會這個部分剛剛\n338357\t365117\t那個主管機關也有報告過已經送到出去司法 法治委員會那個的部分那我們這一本身 衛福部本身就會有一個剛剛您提到的那個審查等一下有提到的審查小組那審查小組就有審查的功能那如果有矛盾的話有比較需要討論的話再送到市議會\n366107\t391988\t來大家討論所以也是有審議的兩個合起來就有審議的成分在裡面但是就是說是不是會更practical一點因為案子很多不可能執意會一直審是由審查小組然後我們審查小組的委員有24個專家寫者當然也有來自醫界我們會按照他的那個屬性\n393289\t415127\t去分配幾位專家去審這個就是審查的如果有疑惑的話就會到諮詢委員會大概這樣的模式請委員參考了解 因為我們也知道其實在邱部長上任之前也在教學醫院\n416048\t442371\t醫學中心擔任很多重要職務包括很多IRB的申請案件其實相關的部分在執行的時候我們施行辦法希望能夠把這些什麼情況下需要一般審查什麼情況下可以用檢疫審查的這些量能的方式來調控我想我們會利用下午時間再來討論不過我想大家可以再多考量有關於這個名稱的部分\n443092\t468040\t那下一個問題就是有關於病友團體我們目前看到這個院版部分是沒有明定病友團體的代表那這個相對比較可惜因為其實我們是指健康資料就是健保資料所有健保我們關心的群眾都是病友所以我們也很期待能夠把這個病友團體的代表也能夠納進來\n469660\t495176\t因為我們知道這個他們就是非常重要的這些關係人那如果能夠把他們納進來的話也更能夠符合大眾的期待那其實現行的健保會委裡面也有病友團體代表這部分也麻煩部長是不是也能夠來加一步考量讓這個病友代表能夠明文進到這個這個我們基本上是支持因為本來就是用人選團體代表來\n497117\t524580\t包含那如果要明穩定的話我們也支持好謝謝那下一個問題就是有關於如何能夠讓我們這個結果公開還有審議以後的案件都能夠有機會透過目前的方式讓民眾多了解除了已經有做了研究也把這個成果公開的系統的同時\n526441\t546036\t當案件經過了審查或審議或質疑以後他們還沒有執行之前已經得到同意可以執行的這些內容就有計畫來做適當的公開讓民眾也知道說未來有哪一些案子會透過\n547177\t563455\t目前可以核准的方式来执行我相信对民众的这种安全感或者是对于他们如何配合会有更好的一个可行性所以我们也期待能够有这个方式来做修订或者是再来补强那这部分部长\n564796\t585168\t我想讓民眾安心是政府應該做的責任我們會在這方面把它做得更周全剛剛提的審查小組這個部分我們本來就有議界的代表這沒有問題第二個就是公開這個也一直公開不管是最新的計畫剛剛看到的那個螢幕還有最新的成果都是公開透明\n585967\t606342\t好 因為我們目前看到行政院版的第14條的第三項裡面是有相關的這個要求不過針對公開的部分將來在做施行辦法的制定的時候也能夠把這些這個我們可以來修正文字好 再麻煩你再來就是有關於現行資料的可進性的這個部分\n607162\t626004\t因為我們知道現在很多在不管是透過已經核准的研究計畫要執行的時候他都很辛苦只在一個很有限的空間裡面去做相關資料統整以後才能夠吸出來做處理\n627586\t647782\t那我們也了解這個是不得已的措施因為我們要讓這個資訊能夠在最安全的情形下做後續的處理不過其實我們很多的這個使用者的心聲大家也應該都聽過那其實整體科技跟資訊資通訊的技術發展的非常快\n648562\t668323\t所以我們這部條例如果通過的話希望將來在資訊隱私與安全還有資料的可用性的部分呢可不可以有更好的資料使用的可靜性能夠更平衡的做法這個未來也期待我們有一些作為可以做整體的改善\n670114\t697700\t這個是應該來一直來精進的怎麼樣評審的做法好 那很期待我們今天下午經過討論以後可以讓整部的這個法案可以順利的去得到大家的同意當然最期待就是透過這個法律的處置以後讓民眾非常安心的知道在促進所有台灣人民的健康的照護的過程當中這些資訊是被非常\n699961\t709261\t堅實的去守護大家資訊的安全那我們就下午繼續來討論 謝謝謝謝委員的指教 謝謝好 謝謝王振旭委員發言\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我們還是請邱部長好 有請邱部長\n委員好部長好今天我們要來審查健保資料管理條例所以這邊有三個重點來跟部長一起討論一下第一個重點就是其實當初是用衛生福利資料整合的部分來想要做探討所以如何能夠針對法制化相關的衛生福利資料整合部分也希望能夠有機會來稍微討論一下\n那第二部分就是健保資料管理條例我們有一些修改的建議等一下也跟大家一起來討論是請部長這邊先了解一下那第三個就是改善現行資料可進性的問題有關於這個衛生福利資料的直接法制法的形成其實我們也知道在113年3月份的時候預告是要制定\n衛生福利資料的一些管理條例那送到這個行政院以後行政院就根據當初憲判制的一些要求來做相關的限縮不過我們也知道其實這麼多好的數據如何能夠讓全民來使用\n來增進全民的健康福利是非常非常的重要那如果我們今天討論的是有關於這個健保的相關資料的話是比較相對可惜的因為我們從之前資科中心的架構裡面就可以發現基本上是有包括基礎資料庫\n健保署 健康署 機關署 還有社家署很多很多的資料事實上是可以經過統計處的處理以後讓資訊處能夠在法規跟治安相關的這些處理之下能夠讓他做一個很好的統計應用\n那当然这里面还必须要有一个应用管理的审议会这边是用一个审议会的方式来让这个资料的应用过程当中是可以让民众很安心让这个资料可以发挥最大的作用所以针对这一部分未来如果卫生福利资料整合的过程当中如果能够让主管机关资料的使用者还有资料提供者都更有保障\n那這邊不知道部長有沒有法制化的時程列入規劃\n我想謝謝委員因為剛開始光靠衛生福利資料後來經過多次的討論結果還是限縮在健保資料來應用上次的宪判另外有很多的健康的衛生福利相關的資料的確我們都是有一個嚴謹的方式在這個部分後續\n後續可能還是持續以這樣的方式來先以這樣的方式來管理那如果委員你有什麼建議我想我們都會來改善的更周全好因為我們在經過下午的討論主條討論以後我們會提供一個附帶決議也希望能夠提供相關的法源作為以後討論的基礎好這個是第一個部分第二個部分就是有關於這個條例的一些\n修法的建議包括說剛剛也討論過蠻多執議會那剛剛也知道之前其實就有審議會這樣的架構所以我們希望在執議跟審議當中可以有一個更好針對於這次大法官認為他必須要有一個獨立審查的機制那這個審議會這樣的\n名稱或者是它的架構應該更有機會去得到社會的認同這是第一個部分那第二個部分我們也希望在這個審議會的組成裡面要有並有團體的代表那第三個部分就是將來\n當然會有一個審查小組來做一個相關的審查的流程還有依據SOP來執行那這個部分我們希望外部專家裡面要有醫界的代表來協助讓整個審查更周全\n那最後就是有關於申請目的外利用的這個資料應該要盡量的來公開那第一部分就是有關於為什麼我們要把這個自議會建議改成為審議會我們也知道其實剛剛有提到我目前的這個執行過程裡面已經有應用管理的審議會所以\n這個審議會其實就是一個既有可以執行的部分所以如果能夠用審議會這樣的組成跟名稱的話期待就是更能夠符合憲法法庭對獨立監督機制的要求這部分部長不知道認不認同這個可以來討論第一個就是剛剛非常謝謝王委員在剛剛討論\n提案說明的時候方面有提到或者幫忙解答就是說它是獨立監督機制所以要有這種機制那機制這個部分在衛福部上面當然有一個現在要成立一個個資保護委員會這個部分剛剛\n那個主管機關也有報告過已經送到出去司法 法治委員會那個的部分那我們這一本身 衛福部本身就會有一個剛剛您提到的那個審查等一下有提到的審查小組那審查小組就有審查的功能那如果有矛盾的話有比較需要討論的話再送到市議會\n來大家討論所以也是有審議的兩個合起來就有審議的成分在裡面但是就是說是不是會更practical一點因為案子很多不可能執意會一直審是由審查小組然後我們審查小組的委員有24個專家寫者當然也有來自醫界我們會按照他的那個屬性\n去分配幾位專家去審這個就是審查的如果有疑惑的話就會到諮詢委員會大概這樣的模式請委員參考了解 因為我們也知道其實在邱部長上任之前也在教學醫院\n醫學中心擔任很多重要職務包括很多IRB的申請案件其實相關的部分在執行的時候我們施行辦法希望能夠把這些什麼情況下需要一般審查什麼情況下可以用檢疫審查的這些量能的方式來調控我想我們會利用下午時間再來討論不過我想大家可以再多考量有關於這個名稱的部分\n那下一個問題就是有關於病友團體我們目前看到這個院版部分是沒有明定病友團體的代表那這個相對比較可惜因為其實我們是指健康資料就是健保資料所有健保我們關心的群眾都是病友所以我們也很期待能夠把這個病友團體的代表也能夠納進來\n因為我們知道這個他們就是非常重要的這些關係人那如果能夠把他們納進來的話也更能夠符合大眾的期待那其實現行的健保會委裡面也有病友團體代表這部分也麻煩部長是不是也能夠來加一步考量讓這個病友代表能夠明文進到這個這個我們基本上是支持因為本來就是用人選團體代表來\n包含那如果要明穩定的話我們也支持好謝謝那下一個問題就是有關於如何能夠讓我們這個結果公開還有審議以後的案件都能夠有機會透過目前的方式讓民眾多了解除了已經有做了研究也把這個成果公開的系統的同時\n當案件經過了審查或審議或質疑以後他們還沒有執行之前已經得到同意可以執行的這些內容就有計畫來做適當的公開讓民眾也知道說未來有哪一些案子會透過\n目前可以核准的方式来执行我相信对民众的这种安全感或者是对于他们如何配合会有更好的一个可行性所以我们也期待能够有这个方式来做修订或者是再来补强那这部分部长\n我想讓民眾安心是政府應該做的責任我們會在這方面把它做得更周全剛剛提的審查小組這個部分我們本來就有議界的代表這沒有問題第二個就是公開這個也一直公開不管是最新的計畫剛剛看到的那個螢幕還有最新的成果都是公開透明\n好 因為我們目前看到行政院版的第14條的第三項裡面是有相關的這個要求不過針對公開的部分將來在做施行辦法的制定的時候也能夠把這些這個我們可以來修正文字好 再麻煩你再來就是有關於現行資料的可進性的這個部分\n因為我們知道現在很多在不管是透過已經核准的研究計畫要執行的時候他都很辛苦只在一個很有限的空間裡面去做相關資料統整以後才能夠吸出來做處理\n那我們也了解這個是不得已的措施因為我們要讓這個資訊能夠在最安全的情形下做後續的處理不過其實我們很多的這個使用者的心聲大家也應該都聽過那其實整體科技跟資訊資通訊的技術發展的非常快\n所以我們這部條例如果通過的話希望將來在資訊隱私與安全還有資料的可用性的部分呢可不可以有更好的資料使用的可靜性能夠更平衡的做法這個未來也期待我們有一些作為可以做整體的改善\n這個是應該來一直來精進的怎麼樣評審的做法好 那很期待我們今天下午經過討論以後可以讓整部的這個法案可以順利的去得到大家的同意當然最期待就是透過這個法律的處置以後讓民眾非常安心的知道在促進所有台灣人民的健康的照護的過程當中這些資訊是被非常\n堅實的去守護大家資訊的安全那我們就下午繼續來討論 謝謝謝謝委員的指教 謝謝好 謝謝王振旭委員發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.621 --> 00:04.910\n好謝謝主席我們還是請邱部長好有請邱部長\n\n00:11.331 --> 00:37.086\n委員好部長好今天我們要來審查健保資料管理條例所以這邊有三個重點來跟部長一起討論一下第一個重點就是其實當初是用衛生福利資料整合的部分來想要做探討所以如何能夠針對法制化相關的衛生福利資料整合部分也希望能夠有機會來稍微討論一下\n\n00:38.567 --> 01:04.628\n那第二部分就是健保資料管理條例我們有一些修改的建議等一下也跟大家一起來討論是請部長這邊先了解一下那第三個就是改善現行資料可進性的問題有關於這個衛生福利資料的直接法制法的形成其實我們也知道在113年3月份的時候預告是要制定\n\n01:05.428 --> 01:26.020\n衛生福利資料的一些管理條例那送到這個行政院以後行政院就根據當初憲判制的一些要求來做相關的限縮不過我們也知道其實這麼多好的數據如何能夠讓全民來使用\n\n01:27.300 --> 01:45.633\n來增進全民的健康福利是非常非常的重要那如果我們今天討論的是有關於這個健保的相關資料的話是比較相對可惜的因為我們從之前資科中心的架構裡面就可以發現基本上是有包括基礎資料庫\n\n01:47.074 --> 02:03.288\n健保署健康署機關署還有社家署很多很多的資料事實上是可以經過統計處的處理以後讓資訊處能夠在法規跟治安相關的這些處理之下能夠讓他做一個很好的統計應用\n\n02:04.489 --> 02:30.649\n那当然这里面还必须要有一个应用管理的审议会这边是用一个审议会的方式来让这个资料的应用过程当中是可以让民众很安心让这个资料可以发挥最大的作用所以针对这一部分未来如果卫生福利资料整合的过程当中如果能够让主管机关资料的使用者还有资料提供者都更有保障\n\n02:31.721 --> 02:35.616\n那這邊不知道部長有沒有法制化的時程列入規劃\n\n02:37.231 --> 03:00.656\n我想謝謝委員因為剛開始光靠衛生福利資料後來經過多次的討論結果還是限縮在健保資料來應用上次的宪判另外有很多的健康的衛生福利相關的資料的確我們都是有一個嚴謹的方式在這個部分後續\n\n03:02.316 --> 03:29.452\n後續可能還是持續以這樣的方式來先以這樣的方式來管理那如果委員你有什麼建議我想我們都會來改善的更周全好因為我們在經過下午的討論主條討論以後我們會提供一個附帶決議也希望能夠提供相關的法源作為以後討論的基礎好這個是第一個部分第二個部分就是有關於這個條例的一些\n\n03:32.256 --> 03:53.074\n修法的建議包括說剛剛也討論過蠻多執議會那剛剛也知道之前其實就有審議會這樣的架構所以我們希望在執議跟審議當中可以有一個更好針對於這次大法官認為他必須要有一個獨立審查的機制那這個審議會這樣的\n\n03:56.377 --> 04:11.288\n名稱或者是它的架構應該更有機會去得到社會的認同這是第一個部分那第二個部分我們也希望在這個審議會的組成裡面要有並有團體的代表那第三個部分就是將來\n\n04:13.229 --> 04:28.681\n當然會有一個審查小組來做一個相關的審查的流程還有依據SOP來執行那這個部分我們希望外部專家裡面要有醫界的代表來協助讓整個審查更周全\n\n04:29.321 --> 04:47.729\n那最後就是有關於申請目的外利用的這個資料應該要盡量的來公開那第一部分就是有關於為什麼我們要把這個自議會建議改成為審議會我們也知道其實剛剛有提到我目前的這個執行過程裡面已經有應用管理的審議會所以\n\n04:51.331 --> 05:08.643\n這個審議會其實就是一個既有可以執行的部分所以如果能夠用審議會這樣的組成跟名稱的話期待就是更能夠符合憲法法庭對獨立監督機制的要求這部分部長不知道認不認同這個可以來討論第一個就是剛剛非常謝謝王委員在剛剛討論\n\n05:18.444 --> 05:33.154\n提案說明的時候方面有提到或者幫忙解答就是說它是獨立監督機制所以要有這種機制那機制這個部分在衛福部上面當然有一個現在要成立一個個資保護委員會這個部分剛剛\n\n05:38.357 --> 06:05.117\n那個主管機關也有報告過已經送到出去司法法治委員會那個的部分那我們這一本身衛福部本身就會有一個剛剛您提到的那個審查等一下有提到的審查小組那審查小組就有審查的功能那如果有矛盾的話有比較需要討論的話再送到市議會\n\n06:06.107 --> 06:31.988\n來大家討論所以也是有審議的兩個合起來就有審議的成分在裡面但是就是說是不是會更practical一點因為案子很多不可能執意會一直審是由審查小組然後我們審查小組的委員有24個專家寫者當然也有來自醫界我們會按照他的那個屬性\n\n06:33.289 --> 06:55.127\n去分配幾位專家去審這個就是審查的如果有疑惑的話就會到諮詢委員會大概這樣的模式請委員參考了解因為我們也知道其實在邱部長上任之前也在教學醫院\n\n06:56.048 --> 07:22.371\n醫學中心擔任很多重要職務包括很多IRB的申請案件其實相關的部分在執行的時候我們施行辦法希望能夠把這些什麼情況下需要一般審查什麼情況下可以用檢疫審查的這些量能的方式來調控我想我們會利用下午時間再來討論不過我想大家可以再多考量有關於這個名稱的部分\n\n07:23.092 --> 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