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00:02:04,367\n因為有的時候行政院的人士不負責任的對外面匿名放話所以已經核定了你如果說是其他媒體也就算了我看的是中央社的新聞啊中央社說行政院已經核定了啊那今天次長在這邊澄清說行政院還沒有核定非常的好啊\n\n7\n00:02:04,987 --> 00:02:28,058\n如果還沒有核定的話我要跟委員報告的是相關的一個程序還在進行這個話你講三次了嘛所以我就問你最關鍵的問題嘛行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有請問市長行政院核定了沒有目前的程序還在進行中所以行政院核定了沒有\n\n8\n00:02:29,153 --> 00:02:50,905\n這個程序還在進行所以還在進行沒有核定嘛對嗎這個程序還在進行OK好沒關係啊程序還在進行那我們就等著看嘛等著看我們的民進黨政府怎麼做決定嘛高鐵的公會說什麼對專業經理人的侮辱啊連民進黨的立委自己都講這當然是仇庸啊\n\n9\n00:02:52,392 --> 00:03:11,107\n社會上面反彈這麼大如果民進黨政府的心態是只要有黨政只要派系隊只要後台硬我就是要讓他高鐵董事長台灣人民要怎麼樣基本上展現出來的傲慢心態就是這個樣子嘛\n\n10\n00:03:12,708 --> 00:03:39,605\n好啦沒關係進入我今天要問的主題發生很多交通事故駕駛人當然會有駕駛人訓練整套的問題道路設計也是大家關心的我最近接到陳情說陽梅休息站設計不良三年十三起車禍七死二十三傷因為我接到這個檢舉了以後我一定會去查證\n\n11\n00:03:40,834 --> 00:03:57,632\n那我看了三年十三起車禍七十二十三傷這個比例非常非常高這等於是在整個高速公路休息站裡面造成死傷人數的道路設計這個是最高的有八件自撞分隔島那我們繼續往下看\n\n12\n00:03:59,534 --> 00:04:27,305\n那我不看抽象的統計數據啊我看具體的案子2015年1月發生四死車禍那時候開始有人質疑道路設計有問題高工局說路口路線設計及交通設施均符合規範這是高工局當初的說明嘛結果你們說明完了以後3月再度發生擦撞分得倒的車禍那個時候啊非常關心台灣道路設計\n\n13\n00:04:29,261 --> 00:04:42,986\n的一些民間人士就出來罵他說我們高工局原來改善的方式就是立牌子家裡有地雷政府不幫你拆還立了牌子說有地雷危險\n\n14\n00:04:45,694 --> 00:05:13,673\n我忠實的把人家對我們交通部的批評把他轉入上來然後他也說這個事實上就是有問題哪有開一開突然出現突起的分隔島壓迫車道的啦國道警察也說有問題了就是不改寧願立牌子來針對陽梅休息站這個被長期批評的道路設計高工局有沒有打算要進一步改善\n\n15\n00:05:15,241 --> 00:05:35,234\n跟委員報告在我們目前來講檢視的部分是一切符合規範但是我們在做強化設施的部分我們有在增加做什麼強化設施包括我們整個一個標線的部分從那個檢數標線開始我們是唯一做好了沒有有做好了什麼時候做的\n\n16\n00:05:36,834 --> 00:06:00,206\n有些是今年年初做有些是去年就十一月已經做完了去年有做今年年初有做結果三月四死車禍一月四死車禍三月再度發生車禍你覺得做的有成效嗎以這些來看的話我目前看到就是說我們一直在強調說進服務區不管是這個服務區或是其他服務區其他服務區也有撞這個情形也發生有像陽梅這麼頻繁的嗎\n\n17\n00:06:01,646 --> 00:06:26,978\n跟委報告陽梅他現在講說三年多已經超過一千萬輛車次了那經過那個地方大概都是你們還是覺得沒有問題我們認為是說輔助駕駛的部分是會有相當的一個影響那目前極限的部分來我們來看一下水泥分隔島前應該施做碰撞防護測試這是高速公路交通工程手冊上面講的有我講的沒有錯嗎是\n\n18\n00:06:28,178 --> 00:06:53,096\n來我們來看一下發生事故的分隔島這個水泥分隔島左手邊的這個照片局長應該很熟嘛那我們的防撞測試就在上面加幾個桶子喔對這個是規範所以這個就符合你們的分隔島前應該是做碰撞防護措施就是加這幾個桶子喔然後加這幾個桶子以後實際上面是什麼一樣撞到後面啊\n\n19\n00:06:54,513 --> 00:07:20,278\n報告委員如果是他在正常的速度在符合速限的規範之下速度的問題齁我等一下馬上帶你們看再往下看來我們來看一下其他地方的分隔島護欄末端的處理漸變式碰撞防護設施這是左手邊的圖啊然後國一北上264公里處碰撞防護設施實際的案子長得像這個樣子\n\n20\n00:07:22,108 --> 00:07:47,979\n不管是採用哪一種設計形式啊沒有一種設計形式是像楊梅這麼喊的前面放幾個桶子就算了報告委員我們是依照整個一個道路條件去做啦包括日本也是這樣的處理是所以你覺得這樣子是OK的沒有關係嘛你今天在這邊我其實是善意提醒你們啦有這樣的批評啊放這幾個桶子我看了我也是覺得很喊的啦\n\n21\n00:07:48,779 --> 00:08:17,287\n這個叫做道路防撞測試然後我看其他的例子就不是這樣子設計的嘛你們當初的設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是你們當初的施工設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是嗎來來來這個是你們一開始的時候我把原始標案陽梅休息站興建工程標案它的設計圖說我把它調出來看了你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方\n\n22\n00:08:18,547 --> 00:08:29,016\n你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方紅色圈圈那個地方就一直發生車禍的啦然後你們前面放幾個桶子啊然後他們後面的設計圖應該要做成這個樣子漸進式的你們後來有去check這個圖說跟實際的設施是一樣的嗎\n\n23\n00:08:34,944 --> 00:09:02,723\n各位報告我們現在目前來講我們要做的是要保護後方的停車場你請你針對問題回答嘛因為你又跟我講說符合規範那我就很擔心啊如果這樣都符合規範的話那我們那個規範是不是形同句文第二個你跟我說有按照圖說那我去調了圖出來嘛我調了圖出來跟你們現場的狀況就不一樣啊這個就是漸進式的啊那你們前面是什麼前面就\n\n24\n00:09:03,757 --> 00:09:10,288\n水泥突然高前面放幾個桶子那這個跟設計圖說不一樣啊還是我理解有錯誤\n\n25\n00:09:13,337 --> 00:09:36,328\n我們要花一個時間去因為現在是在立法院的委員會的會議室所以我只能調圖說給你看還是我們要辦一次會館到現場去看我這樣講好了啦同樣一個地方一而再再而三出了這麼多死傷車禍我們拿實際的圖說來跟委員再做一個報告所以這不是實際的圖說\n\n26\n00:09:38,113 --> 00:09:55,576\n各位報告我們現在來講說所有的斜面的部分混凝土紐澤西護欄的部分我們現在是改直立的啦剛剛委員看到那個有斜下來就是說前面那個藍布的那個路段它是鋼板護欄的部分它是有放下來沒有關係啦我最後我再跟你們講一次啦你們要在這邊堅持到時候就大家來檢驗了\n\n27\n00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:25,749\n從去年開始講一而再再而三的發生今年一月也發生三月也發生今天你如果在國會還是這樣子堅持的話從我們監督的角度啦我言則已經盡了啦後來出了事情看誰要負責然後最後你剛剛有提到樹綠的問題嘛來我們看一下半徑27米的閘道設計樹綠的時數是多少\n\n28\n00:10:36,490 --> 00:11:00,320\n報委員那個地方齁我們這個速率50是前段的部分後段的部分進服務區他就是應該是減速就是30的在哪裡這個是我現場拍的圖啊這我現場拍的照片啊這個是在前面對啊那你30在哪裡你30在哪裡30的部分是在彎進去之後那個地方對啊啊你彎進去以後你看得到喔你彎進去以後你看得到喔\n\n29\n00:11:06,643 --> 00:11:29,483\n那個次長你看一下照片好不好你有看到一個五十尺嗎你有沒有看到一個三十尺你說彎進去以後就看得到等到彎進去我就撞到了根本沒辦法他在前面的部分是還符合的進去的部分我們會再做一個處理你們如果還是用\n\n30\n00:11:30,782 --> 00:11:41,227\n本來守舊故不自封的心態這個就為什麼解釋了同樣一個路段一而再再而三發生事故有很多在倡議台灣\n\n31\n00:11:44,144 --> 00:12:07,969\n有關於道路設計、標線設計、號誌設計跟國外相比落後非常多的朋友都已經大聲疾呼了都已經大聲疾呼了今天我是因為接到了檢舉我下去了解人家檢舉的都有道理這不是單一事件你如果說單一事件你自己喝太多水\n\n32\n00:12:10,106 --> 00:12:29,267\n超速去攏到那個是駕駛人百分之百的責任但一而再再而三的這樣子發生我希望啦高工局你們要聽得下去外界給你們好的建議該改的地方要改是我們會來再做一個評估OK好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2522\t22975\t謝謝主席 麻煩有請次長好 陳次長委員好次長好最近國人非常關心的事情是不是只要有黨政就可以當高鐵董事長\n24449\t34296\t史喆先生他所引發的爭議我相信今天各大媒體市長都有看到我只問一個簡單的問題史喆是有什麼交通專業\n37238\t58914\t我想跟委員報告有關這個高鐵或台鐵的一個用人相關的一個程序目前正在進行中進行中 奇怪中央社說行政院已經核定了所以中央社放假新聞嗎他有 他只是他有相關的一個程序程序還沒有我先一步一步來那個市長市長請你針對問題回答好嗎是的\n65236\t79489\t第一個 行政院核定沒有相關的一個程序還在進行中所以中央社講的不對嘛那不對啊 那你們交通部看到中央社的新聞就要趕快發聲明搞澄清啊說程序還有進行啊行政院沒有核定啊\n80652\t107247\t程序都還在進行啊我想跟委員報告因為他有報核的程序還有核定退文的程序等等的所以程序完成沒有在完成以後會對外說明所以現在程序完成沒有我的了解今天裡頭應該可以完成所以就是確定要完成嗎相關的程序還在進行中沒關係啦如果媒體報導有錯誤的話有的時候未必是故意要寫假新聞嘛\n108047\t124367\t因為有的時候行政院的人士不負責任的對外面匿名放話所以已經核定了你如果說是其他媒體也就算了我看的是中央社的新聞啊中央社說行政院已經核定了啊那今天次長在這邊澄清說行政院還沒有核定非常的好啊\n124987\t148058\t如果還沒有核定的話我要跟委員報告的是相關的一個程序還在進行這個話你講三次了嘛所以我就問你最關鍵的問題嘛行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有請問市長行政院核定了沒有目前的程序還在進行中所以行政院核定了沒有\n149153\t170905\t這個程序還在進行所以還在進行 沒有核定嘛 對嗎這個程序還在進行OK好 沒關係啊 程序還在進行 那我們就等著看嘛等著看我們的民進黨政府怎麼做決定嘛高鐵的公會說什麼對專業經理人的侮辱啊連民進黨的立委自己都講 這當然是仇庸啊\n172392\t191107\t社會上面反彈這麼大如果民進黨政府的心態是只要有黨政只要派系隊只要後台硬我就是要讓他高鐵董事長台灣人民要怎麼樣基本上展現出來的傲慢心態就是這個樣子嘛\n192708\t219605\t好啦沒關係進入我今天要問的主題發生很多交通事故駕駛人當然會有駕駛人訓練整套的問題道路設計也是大家關心的我最近接到陳情說陽梅休息站設計不良三年十三起車禍七死二十三傷因為我接到這個檢舉了以後我一定會去查證\n220834\t237632\t那我看了三年十三起車禍七十二十三傷這個比例非常非常高這等於是在整個高速公路休息站裡面造成死傷人數的道路設計這個是最高的有八件自撞分隔島那我們繼續往下看\n239534\t267305\t那我不看抽象的統計數據啊我看具體的案子2015年1月發生四死車禍那時候開始有人質疑道路設計有問題高工局說路口路線設計及交通設施均符合規範這是高工局當初的說明嘛結果你們說明完了以後3月再度發生擦撞分得倒的車禍那個時候啊非常關心台灣道路設計\n269261\t282986\t的一些民間人士就出來罵他說我們高工局原來改善的方式就是立牌子家裡有地雷政府不幫你拆還立了牌子說有地雷危險\n285694\t313673\t我忠實的把人家對我們交通部的批評把他轉入上來然後他也說這個事實上就是有問題哪有開一開突然出現突起的分隔島壓迫車道的啦國道警察也說有問題了就是不改寧願立牌子來針對陽梅休息站這個被長期批評的道路設計高工局有沒有打算要進一步改善\n315241\t335234\t跟委員報告在我們目前來講檢視的部分是一切符合規範但是我們在做強化設施的部分我們有在增加做什麼強化設施包括我們整個一個標線的部分從那個檢數標線開始我們是唯一做好了沒有有做好了什麼時候做的\n336834\t360206\t有些是今年年初做有些是去年就十一月已經做完了去年有做今年年初有做結果三月四死車禍一月四死車禍三月再度發生車禍你覺得做的有成效嗎以這些來看的話我目前看到就是說我們一直在強調說進服務區不管是這個服務區或是其他服務區其他服務區也有撞這個情形也發生有像陽梅這麼頻繁的嗎\n361646\t386978\t跟委報告 陽梅他現在講說三年多已經超過一千萬輛車次了那經過那個地方 大概都是你們還是覺得沒有問題我們認為是說輔助駕駛的部分是會有相當的一個影響那目前極限的部分來 我們來看一下水泥分隔島前應該施做碰撞防護測試這是高速公路交通工程手冊上面講的有我講的沒有錯嗎是\n388178\t413096\t來我們來看一下發生事故的分隔島這個水泥分隔島左手邊的這個照片局長應該很熟嘛那我們的防撞測試就在上面加幾個桶子喔對這個是規範所以這個就符合你們的分隔島前應該是做碰撞防護措施就是加這幾個桶子喔然後加這幾個桶子以後實際上面是什麼一樣撞到後面啊\n414513\t440278\t報告委員如果是他在正常的速度在符合速限的規範之下速度的問題齁我等一下馬上帶你們看再往下看來我們來看一下其他地方的分隔島護欄末端的處理漸變式碰撞防護設施這是左手邊的圖啊然後國一北上264公里處碰撞防護設施實際的案子長得像這個樣子\n442108\t467979\t不管是採用哪一種設計形式啊沒有一種設計形式是像楊梅這麼喊的前面放幾個桶子就算了報告委員我們是依照整個一個道路條件去做啦包括日本也是這樣的處理是所以你覺得這樣子是OK的沒有關係嘛你今天在這邊我其實是善意提醒你們啦有這樣的批評啊放這幾個桶子我看了我也是覺得很喊的啦\n468779\t497287\t這個叫做道路防撞測試 然後我看其他的例子就不是這樣子設計的嘛你們當初的設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是 你們當初的施工設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是嗎來來來這個是你們一開始的時候我把原始標案陽梅休息站興建工程標案它的設計圖說 我把它調出來看了你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方\n498547\t509016\t你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方紅色圈圈那個地方就一直發生車禍的啦然後你們前面放幾個桶子啊然後他們後面的設計圖應該要做成這個樣子漸進式的你們後來有去check這個圖說跟實際的設施是一樣的嗎\n514944\t542723\t各位報告我們現在目前來講我們要做的是要保護後方的停車場你請你針對問題回答嘛因為你又跟我講說符合規範那我就很擔心啊如果這樣都符合規範的話那我們那個規範是不是形同句文第二個你跟我說有按照圖說那我去調了圖出來嘛我調了圖出來跟你們現場的狀況就不一樣啊這個就是漸進式的啊那你們前面是什麼前面就\n543757\t550288\t水泥突然高 前面放幾個桶子那這個跟設計圖說不一樣啊還是我理解有錯誤\n553337\t576328\t我們要花一個時間去因為現在是在立法院的委員會的會議室所以我只能調圖說給你看還是我們要辦一次會館到現場去看我這樣講好了啦同樣一個地方一而再再而三出了這麼多死傷車禍我們拿實際的圖說來跟委員再做一個報告所以這不是實際的圖說\n578113\t595576\t各位報告我們現在來講說所有的斜面的部分混凝土紐澤西護欄的部分我們現在是改直立的啦剛剛委員看到那個有斜下來就是說前面那個藍布的那個路段它是鋼板護欄的部分它是有放下來沒有關係啦我最後我再跟你們講一次啦你們要在這邊堅持到時候就大家來檢驗了\n605400\t625749\t從去年開始講一而再再而三的發生今年一月也發生三月也發生今天你如果在國會還是這樣子堅持的話從我們監督的角度啦我言則已經盡了啦後來出了事情看誰要負責然後最後你剛剛有提到樹綠的問題嘛來我們看一下半徑27米的閘道設計樹綠的時數是多少\n636490\t660320\t報委員那個地方齁我們這個速率50是前段的部分後段的部分進服務區他就是應該是減速就是30的在哪裡這個是我現場拍的圖啊這我現場拍的照片啊這個是在前面對啊那你30在哪裡你30在哪裡30的部分是在彎進去之後那個地方對啊啊你彎進去以後你看得到喔你彎進去以後你看得到喔\n666643\t689483\t那個次長你看一下照片好不好你有看到一個五十尺嗎你有沒有看到一個三十尺你說彎進去以後就看得到等到彎進去我就撞到了根本沒辦法 他在前面的部分是還符合的進去的部分我們會再做一個處理你們如果還是用\n690782\t701227\t本來守舊故不自封的心態這個就為什麼解釋了同樣一個路段一而再再而三發生事故有很多在倡議台灣\n704144\t727969\t有關於道路設計、標線設計、號誌設計跟國外相比落後非常多的朋友都已經大聲疾呼了都已經大聲疾呼了今天我是因為接到了檢舉我下去了解人家檢舉的都有道理這不是單一事件你如果說單一事件你自己喝太多水\n730106\t749267\t超速去攏到那個是駕駛人百分之百的責任但一而再再而三的這樣子發生我希望啦高工局你們要聽得下去外界給你們好的建議該改的地方要改是 我們會來再做一個評估OK 好 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩有請次長好 陳次長委員好次長好最近國人非常關心的事情是不是只要有黨政就可以當高鐵董事長\n史喆先生他所引發的爭議我相信今天各大媒體市長都有看到我只問一個簡單的問題史喆是有什麼交通專業\n我想跟委員報告有關這個高鐵或台鐵的一個用人相關的一個程序目前正在進行中進行中 奇怪中央社說行政院已經核定了所以中央社放假新聞嗎他有 他只是他有相關的一個程序程序還沒有我先一步一步來那個市長市長請你針對問題回答好嗎是的\n第一個 行政院核定沒有相關的一個程序還在進行中所以中央社講的不對嘛那不對啊 那你們交通部看到中央社的新聞就要趕快發聲明搞澄清啊說程序還有進行啊行政院沒有核定啊\n程序都還在進行啊我想跟委員報告因為他有報核的程序還有核定退文的程序等等的所以程序完成沒有在完成以後會對外說明所以現在程序完成沒有我的了解今天裡頭應該可以完成所以就是確定要完成嗎相關的程序還在進行中沒關係啦如果媒體報導有錯誤的話有的時候未必是故意要寫假新聞嘛\n因為有的時候行政院的人士不負責任的對外面匿名放話所以已經核定了你如果說是其他媒體也就算了我看的是中央社的新聞啊中央社說行政院已經核定了啊那今天次長在這邊澄清說行政院還沒有核定非常的好啊\n如果還沒有核定的話我要跟委員報告的是相關的一個程序還在進行這個話你講三次了嘛所以我就問你最關鍵的問題嘛行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有請問市長行政院核定了沒有目前的程序還在進行中所以行政院核定了沒有\n這個程序還在進行所以還在進行 沒有核定嘛 對嗎這個程序還在進行OK好 沒關係啊 程序還在進行 那我們就等著看嘛等著看我們的民進黨政府怎麼做決定嘛高鐵的公會說什麼對專業經理人的侮辱啊連民進黨的立委自己都講 這當然是仇庸啊\n社會上面反彈這麼大如果民進黨政府的心態是只要有黨政只要派系隊只要後台硬我就是要讓他高鐵董事長台灣人民要怎麼樣基本上展現出來的傲慢心態就是這個樣子嘛\n好啦沒關係進入我今天要問的主題發生很多交通事故駕駛人當然會有駕駛人訓練整套的問題道路設計也是大家關心的我最近接到陳情說陽梅休息站設計不良三年十三起車禍七死二十三傷因為我接到這個檢舉了以後我一定會去查證\n那我看了三年十三起車禍七十二十三傷這個比例非常非常高這等於是在整個高速公路休息站裡面造成死傷人數的道路設計這個是最高的有八件自撞分隔島那我們繼續往下看\n那我不看抽象的統計數據啊我看具體的案子2015年1月發生四死車禍那時候開始有人質疑道路設計有問題高工局說路口路線設計及交通設施均符合規範這是高工局當初的說明嘛結果你們說明完了以後3月再度發生擦撞分得倒的車禍那個時候啊非常關心台灣道路設計\n的一些民間人士就出來罵他說我們高工局原來改善的方式就是立牌子家裡有地雷政府不幫你拆還立了牌子說有地雷危險\n我忠實的把人家對我們交通部的批評把他轉入上來然後他也說這個事實上就是有問題哪有開一開突然出現突起的分隔島壓迫車道的啦國道警察也說有問題了就是不改寧願立牌子來針對陽梅休息站這個被長期批評的道路設計高工局有沒有打算要進一步改善\n跟委員報告在我們目前來講檢視的部分是一切符合規範但是我們在做強化設施的部分我們有在增加做什麼強化設施包括我們整個一個標線的部分從那個檢數標線開始我們是唯一做好了沒有有做好了什麼時候做的\n有些是今年年初做有些是去年就十一月已經做完了去年有做今年年初有做結果三月四死車禍一月四死車禍三月再度發生車禍你覺得做的有成效嗎以這些來看的話我目前看到就是說我們一直在強調說進服務區不管是這個服務區或是其他服務區其他服務區也有撞這個情形也發生有像陽梅這麼頻繁的嗎\n跟委報告 陽梅他現在講說三年多已經超過一千萬輛車次了那經過那個地方 大概都是你們還是覺得沒有問題我們認為是說輔助駕駛的部分是會有相當的一個影響那目前極限的部分來 我們來看一下水泥分隔島前應該施做碰撞防護測試這是高速公路交通工程手冊上面講的有我講的沒有錯嗎是\n來我們來看一下發生事故的分隔島這個水泥分隔島左手邊的這個照片局長應該很熟嘛那我們的防撞測試就在上面加幾個桶子喔對這個是規範所以這個就符合你們的分隔島前應該是做碰撞防護措施就是加這幾個桶子喔然後加這幾個桶子以後實際上面是什麼一樣撞到後面啊\n報告委員如果是他在正常的速度在符合速限的規範之下速度的問題齁我等一下馬上帶你們看再往下看來我們來看一下其他地方的分隔島護欄末端的處理漸變式碰撞防護設施這是左手邊的圖啊然後國一北上264公里處碰撞防護設施實際的案子長得像這個樣子\n不管是採用哪一種設計形式啊沒有一種設計形式是像楊梅這麼喊的前面放幾個桶子就算了報告委員我們是依照整個一個道路條件去做啦包括日本也是這樣的處理是所以你覺得這樣子是OK的沒有關係嘛你今天在這邊我其實是善意提醒你們啦有這樣的批評啊放這幾個桶子我看了我也是覺得很喊的啦\n這個叫做道路防撞測試 然後我看其他的例子就不是這樣子設計的嘛你們當初的設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是 你們當初的施工設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是嗎來來來這個是你們一開始的時候我把原始標案陽梅休息站興建工程標案它的設計圖說 我把它調出來看了你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方\n你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方紅色圈圈那個地方就一直發生車禍的啦然後你們前面放幾個桶子啊然後他們後面的設計圖應該要做成這個樣子漸進式的你們後來有去check這個圖說跟實際的設施是一樣的嗎\n各位報告我們現在目前來講我們要做的是要保護後方的停車場你請你針對問題回答嘛因為你又跟我講說符合規範那我就很擔心啊如果這樣都符合規範的話那我們那個規範是不是形同句文第二個你跟我說有按照圖說那我去調了圖出來嘛我調了圖出來跟你們現場的狀況就不一樣啊這個就是漸進式的啊那你們前面是什麼前面就\n水泥突然高 前面放幾個桶子那這個跟設計圖說不一樣啊還是我理解有錯誤\n我們要花一個時間去因為現在是在立法院的委員會的會議室所以我只能調圖說給你看還是我們要辦一次會館到現場去看我這樣講好了啦同樣一個地方一而再再而三出了這麼多死傷車禍我們拿實際的圖說來跟委員再做一個報告所以這不是實際的圖說\n各位報告我們現在來講說所有的斜面的部分混凝土紐澤西護欄的部分我們現在是改直立的啦剛剛委員看到那個有斜下來就是說前面那個藍布的那個路段它是鋼板護欄的部分它是有放下來沒有關係啦我最後我再跟你們講一次啦你們要在這邊堅持到時候就大家來檢驗了\n從去年開始講一而再再而三的發生今年一月也發生三月也發生今天你如果在國會還是這樣子堅持的話從我們監督的角度啦我言則已經盡了啦後來出了事情看誰要負責然後最後你剛剛有提到樹綠的問題嘛來我們看一下半徑27米的閘道設計樹綠的時數是多少\n報委員那個地方齁我們這個速率50是前段的部分後段的部分進服務區他就是應該是減速就是30的在哪裡這個是我現場拍的圖啊這我現場拍的照片啊這個是在前面對啊那你30在哪裡你30在哪裡30的部分是在彎進去之後那個地方對啊啊你彎進去以後你看得到喔你彎進去以後你看得到喔\n那個次長你看一下照片好不好你有看到一個五十尺嗎你有沒有看到一個三十尺你說彎進去以後就看得到等到彎進去我就撞到了根本沒辦法 他在前面的部分是還符合的進去的部分我們會再做一個處理你們如果還是用\n本來守舊故不自封的心態這個就為什麼解釋了同樣一個路段一而再再而三發生事故有很多在倡議台灣\n有關於道路設計、標線設計、號誌設計跟國外相比落後非常多的朋友都已經大聲疾呼了都已經大聲疾呼了今天我是因為接到了檢舉我下去了解人家檢舉的都有道理這不是單一事件你如果說單一事件你自己喝太多水\n超速去攏到那個是駕駛人百分之百的責任但一而再再而三的這樣子發生我希望啦高工局你們要聽得下去外界給你們好的建議該改的地方要改是 我們會來再做一個評估OK 好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.522 --> 00:22.975\n謝謝主席麻煩有請次長好陳次長委員好次長好最近國人非常關心的事情是不是只要有黨政就可以當高鐵董事長\n\n00:24.449 --> 00:34.296\n史喆先生他所引發的爭議我相信今天各大媒體市長都有看到我只問一個簡單的問題史喆是有什麼交通專業\n\n00:37.238 --> 00:58.914\n我想跟委員報告有關這個高鐵或台鐵的一個用人相關的一個程序目前正在進行中進行中奇怪中央社說行政院已經核定了所以中央社放假新聞嗎他有他只是他有相關的一個程序程序還沒有我先一步一步來那個市長市長請你針對問題回答好嗎是的\n\n01:05.236 --> 01:19.489\n第一個行政院核定沒有相關的一個程序還在進行中所以中央社講的不對嘛那不對啊那你們交通部看到中央社的新聞就要趕快發聲明搞澄清啊說程序還有進行啊行政院沒有核定啊\n\n01:20.652 --> 01:47.247\n程序都還在進行啊我想跟委員報告因為他有報核的程序還有核定退文的程序等等的所以程序完成沒有在完成以後會對外說明所以現在程序完成沒有我的了解今天裡頭應該可以完成所以就是確定要完成嗎相關的程序還在進行中沒關係啦如果媒體報導有錯誤的話有的時候未必是故意要寫假新聞嘛\n\n01:48.047 --> 02:04.367\n因為有的時候行政院的人士不負責任的對外面匿名放話所以已經核定了你如果說是其他媒體也就算了我看的是中央社的新聞啊中央社說行政院已經核定了啊那今天次長在這邊澄清說行政院還沒有核定非常的好啊\n\n02:04.987 --> 02:28.058\n如果還沒有核定的話我要跟委員報告的是相關的一個程序還在進行這個話你講三次了嘛所以我就問你最關鍵的問題嘛行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有行政院核定了沒有請問市長行政院核定了沒有目前的程序還在進行中所以行政院核定了沒有\n\n02:29.153 --> 02:50.905\n這個程序還在進行所以還在進行沒有核定嘛對嗎這個程序還在進行OK好沒關係啊程序還在進行那我們就等著看嘛等著看我們的民進黨政府怎麼做決定嘛高鐵的公會說什麼對專業經理人的侮辱啊連民進黨的立委自己都講這當然是仇庸啊\n\n02:52.392 --> 03:11.107\n社會上面反彈這麼大如果民進黨政府的心態是只要有黨政只要派系隊只要後台硬我就是要讓他高鐵董事長台灣人民要怎麼樣基本上展現出來的傲慢心態就是這個樣子嘛\n\n03:12.708 --> 03:39.605\n好啦沒關係進入我今天要問的主題發生很多交通事故駕駛人當然會有駕駛人訓練整套的問題道路設計也是大家關心的我最近接到陳情說陽梅休息站設計不良三年十三起車禍七死二十三傷因為我接到這個檢舉了以後我一定會去查證\n\n03:40.834 --> 03:57.632\n那我看了三年十三起車禍七十二十三傷這個比例非常非常高這等於是在整個高速公路休息站裡面造成死傷人數的道路設計這個是最高的有八件自撞分隔島那我們繼續往下看\n\n03:59.534 --> 04:27.305\n那我不看抽象的統計數據啊我看具體的案子2015年1月發生四死車禍那時候開始有人質疑道路設計有問題高工局說路口路線設計及交通設施均符合規範這是高工局當初的說明嘛結果你們說明完了以後3月再度發生擦撞分得倒的車禍那個時候啊非常關心台灣道路設計\n\n04:29.261 --> 04:42.986\n的一些民間人士就出來罵他說我們高工局原來改善的方式就是立牌子家裡有地雷政府不幫你拆還立了牌子說有地雷危險\n\n04:45.694 --> 05:13.673\n我忠實的把人家對我們交通部的批評把他轉入上來然後他也說這個事實上就是有問題哪有開一開突然出現突起的分隔島壓迫車道的啦國道警察也說有問題了就是不改寧願立牌子來針對陽梅休息站這個被長期批評的道路設計高工局有沒有打算要進一步改善\n\n05:15.241 --> 05:35.234\n跟委員報告在我們目前來講檢視的部分是一切符合規範但是我們在做強化設施的部分我們有在增加做什麼強化設施包括我們整個一個標線的部分從那個檢數標線開始我們是唯一做好了沒有有做好了什麼時候做的\n\n05:36.834 --> 06:00.206\n有些是今年年初做有些是去年就十一月已經做完了去年有做今年年初有做結果三月四死車禍一月四死車禍三月再度發生車禍你覺得做的有成效嗎以這些來看的話我目前看到就是說我們一直在強調說進服務區不管是這個服務區或是其他服務區其他服務區也有撞這個情形也發生有像陽梅這麼頻繁的嗎\n\n06:01.646 --> 06:26.978\n跟委報告陽梅他現在講說三年多已經超過一千萬輛車次了那經過那個地方大概都是你們還是覺得沒有問題我們認為是說輔助駕駛的部分是會有相當的一個影響那目前極限的部分來我們來看一下水泥分隔島前應該施做碰撞防護測試這是高速公路交通工程手冊上面講的有我講的沒有錯嗎是\n\n06:28.178 --> 06:53.096\n來我們來看一下發生事故的分隔島這個水泥分隔島左手邊的這個照片局長應該很熟嘛那我們的防撞測試就在上面加幾個桶子喔對這個是規範所以這個就符合你們的分隔島前應該是做碰撞防護措施就是加這幾個桶子喔然後加這幾個桶子以後實際上面是什麼一樣撞到後面啊\n\n06:54.513 --> 07:20.278\n報告委員如果是他在正常的速度在符合速限的規範之下速度的問題齁我等一下馬上帶你們看再往下看來我們來看一下其他地方的分隔島護欄末端的處理漸變式碰撞防護設施這是左手邊的圖啊然後國一北上264公里處碰撞防護設施實際的案子長得像這個樣子\n\n07:22.108 --> 07:47.979\n不管是採用哪一種設計形式啊沒有一種設計形式是像楊梅這麼喊的前面放幾個桶子就算了報告委員我們是依照整個一個道路條件去做啦包括日本也是這樣的處理是所以你覺得這樣子是OK的沒有關係嘛你今天在這邊我其實是善意提醒你們啦有這樣的批評啊放這幾個桶子我看了我也是覺得很喊的啦\n\n07:48.779 --> 08:17.287\n這個叫做道路防撞測試然後我看其他的例子就不是這樣子設計的嘛你們當初的設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是你們當初的施工設計圖是這樣設計的嗎是嗎來來來這個是你們一開始的時候我把原始標案陽梅休息站興建工程標案它的設計圖說我把它調出來看了你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方\n\n08:18.547 --> 08:29.016\n你們看到紅色圈圈那個地方紅色圈圈那個地方就一直發生車禍的啦然後你們前面放幾個桶子啊然後他們後面的設計圖應該要做成這個樣子漸進式的你們後來有去check這個圖說跟實際的設施是一樣的嗎\n\n08:34.944 --> 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人、二十\n六、台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」、二十七、委\n員黃健豪等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修\n正草案」、二十八、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十四條及第四十五條條\n文修正草案」、二十九、委員林俊憲等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十五條條文修正草\n案」、三十、委員牛煦庭等18人、三十一、委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例\n第五十六條條文修正草案」、三十二、台灣民眾黨黨團 (11-1-13) 、三十三、台灣民眾黨黨團\n(11-1-21)分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」、三十四、委員羅智強\n等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十二條條文修正草案」、三十五、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十八條及第八十四條條文修正草案」、三十六、委員魯明哲等16人\n擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十條條文修正草案」、三十七、委員林俊憲等20人、三十八、\n委員廖先翔等19人、三十九、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具分別「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條條文\n修正草案」及四十、委員林思銘等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第九十二條之二條文草\n案」案【本日會議僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1145802_00004"}}}