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00:01:36,415\n案例那在這個甚至在推波助瀾在農業自動化之下這樣的農業灰色威脅也開始了自動化這對於我們現在比較艱困的糧食自主率的下降當中我們應該怎麼樣的一些因應好在世界動物衛生組織當中我們在法國在法國舉行台灣在會中取得了傳統\n\n5\n00:01:37,956 --> 00:02:05,655\n租温非异国的认证成为亚洲唯一拥有非洲租温以及传统租温及口蹄三大租资并证的非异区的地位农业部房检署的同仁是功不可没但这个威胁却并未消失我们要如何谨慎因应这当中我们的总统也提到了几个方向持续强化边境\n\n6\n00:02:06,055 --> 00:02:18,687\n房檢以及提升競爭力好我們就來檢討我們現在的房檢現況跟未來好在非洲豬瘟的部分自中國發生非洲豬瘟的時候一直到去年6月26號金門都還出現非洲豬瘟的病死豬\n\n7\n00:02:23,291 --> 00:02:42,829\n而這在回溯到4年前110年4月的時候也出現了非洲豬瘟的病死豬漂流到新北他不是我們傳統認為中國來的老會智在金門馬祖竟然在4年前是漂到新北好那這個呢我們來看\n\n8\n00:02:45,071 --> 00:03:08,510\n美国他是怎么积极的因应这样的一个边境防疫不分龙鱼跟鳞的部分好他们在前几天6月3号的时候美国的司法部起诉了两名的科学家他们呢起诉他呢他们这个走私带入美国的真菌为核古联胞菌\n\n9\n00:03:09,710 --> 00:03:23,854\n這個河谷聯包郡就是右邊這樣的一個報導當中這四個塑膠袋每一個塑膠袋就是一個郡租這郡租當中裡面內含了多少的郡司跟郡總在裡面郡司在裡面可能是千萬\n\n10\n00:03:29,595 --> 00:03:50,493\n這樣一包裡面這一小顆你們可能有千千萬萬顆在裡面就好像我皮革力可能大家比較好理解就是我們的這個常常為一般國人所苦的像香港腳他腳但是這個真菌這樣的菌類附著在腳上了所以就有香港香港腳這個東西概念是一樣的好所以這樣的菌\n\n11\n00:03:51,394 --> 00:04:19,973\n附上到我的農業的這個品種上的時候種下去當中該真菌會被認定為可能為農業恐怖攻擊的潛力武器而這個東西呢他們追溯是在三年前就展開他今年起訴這樣的中國科學家但是發現到他們在三年前就展開這樣的規模的規劃跟進行為什麼他要做這件事情呢因為這個核包聯包菌核穀聯包菌多麼厲害會造成小麥大麥玉米\n\n12\n00:04:21,374 --> 00:04:46,123\n稻米的刺霉病这个小麦大麦玉米在美国他们是饲料在是作为饲料用台湾的稻米我们是人在吃的所以这样的菌丝在美国如果未来在台湾发生的时候会导致牲口人类的呕吐吃下去之后种出来然后有了这些霉菌之后然后就会\n\n13\n00:04:47,223 --> 00:05:07,980\n有这种牲口人类呕吐肝损伤甚至缺陷及刺癌所以为什么美国的针对这样的边境防疫这么的谨慎因应好那这个农业自动化下这样的农业的灰色威胁可能也就自动化怎么说呢我就以这个为例河谷联包菌\n\n14\n00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:32,832\n的擴散樣態它可以透過自然界擴散它可以透過人為的自動化載具的擴散如果在自然界這樣的河谷蓮苞菌它附著在玉米跟水稻的一個種子上生長而導致這樣的植物發病之後在它的子蘭苞只成熟噴出之後藉著自然的氣流風雨的傳播整片的田野\n\n15\n00:05:33,852 --> 00:05:49,870\n就這樣一顆我一粒米我一粒玉米或一粒水稻它裡面有這樣的菌絲菌種這樣存在之後這樣它的噴出來成熟噴出來之後藉著自然的風雨傳播跟\n\n16\n00:05:51,031 --> 00:05:55,416\n氣流整片田野就染病了那也透過人為的這樣的自動載具這樣的河谷連包具呢就是只要融入這個液態的肥料透過各種自動化的設備如果像無人機右上角所示的圖片它噴灑在農田它不需要附著在物種\n\n17\n00:06:10,031 --> 00:06:14,575\n他只要噴灑在這個肥料裡面液態肥料裡面這樣一灑哇這樣全田也都腫這個都懶病了所以這樣的農業的灰色威脅令作物大幅減產和失去使用價值嚴重威脅到我們的糧食自主和食品安全好我們來看本席在議的這樣的糧食自主率\n\n18\n00:06:34,831 --> 00:07:01,964\n這樣的糧食自主率當中這個呢國內因應旱災的政策優先順序一定先停工農業灌溉用水那所以呢農業部去年公布的112年的糧食供需年報當中很呈現了剛好112年是百年旱災台灣的糧食自主率持續下降所以一直到2023年我們還跌到18年新低喔這個前年在水稻方面112年加難\n\n19\n00:07:04,385 --> 00:07:09,168\n平原的停灌導致水稻的減產減產了10.7萬公噸使我們的穀類糧食自足率從111年的26.6%下降到25.5%好我就以美國個案\n\n20\n00:07:20,834 --> 00:07:34,885\n如果我國若招式類似的農業灰色攻擊將會使原有的穀類特別是稻米的糧食自主力出現更大的衝擊將嚴重影響到國內糧食穩定好我在這邊建請農業部你們做要做精進了現有的防檢跟防疫要做精進我絕對肯定這個防檢署的這個同仁的努力或者我們不會是亞洲在這個\n\n21\n00:07:50,736 --> 00:08:16,296\n这个非疫区的这样的猪瘟能够拔疫而且是亚洲第一的非疫区但是是不是要面临针对粮食危机所因应的这个我们边境的这个防检跟防疫我们是不是应该要更精进呢那所以呢对于防检的部分你们就了解一下国际先进国家对于农业边防的管制跟检验的方案类似\n\n22\n00:08:17,357 --> 00:08:29,624\n尤其類似這樣的真菌株的查驗困難因為本席非常的好奇我都想瞭解你看這第五頁右上角這個菌是他們美國怎麼查獲你說株質這麼大體我還可以去看這樣的這樣的一個河谷聯胞菌在右邊這樣子他怎麼查獲我個人都很好奇\n\n23\n00:08:40,490 --> 00:08:41,753\n我們本部當中的這個防檢的同仁你們怎麼來防檢呢這個我都很好奇所以這個第一個\n\n24\n00:08:50,595 --> 00:08:53,197\n你們就要經濟你們的參考一下先進國家怎麼做這是第二個呢這個經濟農業防疫的機制預防威脅還是剩餘事後的處理農業部應該積極主動掌握國內主要的經濟物種不管是榮餘序產等他可能遭遇的毀滅性影響的病原資訊\n\n25\n00:09:13,388 --> 00:09:19,373\n為什麼我講這句話呢因為這個您也是學者出身啊所以呢我絕對相信我們的農業專家國內的農業學者或專家他絕對知道我的主要經濟作物他可能會有哪些毀滅性影響的病原資訊那我們農業部通常都怎麼做就是他做他的學術我做我的行政作為然後我遇到困難的時候再邀請他們來那我們一起來想辦法\n\n26\n00:09:40,689 --> 00:09:44,053\n但是為什麼不事先你對於國內主要的經濟物種不管是榮魚畜牧你事先掌握了這樣子的邊防你看美國他是怎麼的因應他們也追能夠這麼小的東西是農產品的對於他們這個美國農業當中的影響他能夠在邊防就阻絕了這樣的一個真菌\n\n27\n00:10:03,613 --> 00:10:07,695\n好那在國內我也請你們一定要針對可能遭受的農業灰色恐攻所形成的傷害作物的染疫減產跟這個疾病的傳播應先預先建立起這樣的對應機制好針對這樣的精進作為的\n\n28\n00:10:21,923 --> 00:10:50,550\n這樣的一個建議來提高不要說提高啦能夠穩定我們國內的糧食自主的一個這樣的一個這樣的一個目標您怎麼看本席的這樣的這個提案呢我想非常謝謝委員的一些建議我分兩點第一個部分就是那個河谷連刀郡正式的全名是連刀郡不是聯包郡連刀郡本身在台灣\n\n29\n00:10:51,130 --> 00:11:14,720\n已經有這樣的一個病原菌發生的這些危害然後它現在目前並不是法定的該防檢疫的部分但是委員提到一個非常重要的是一般我們在蜘蛛如果染這個病的話我們看到會把它銷毀但是它可能是一個單株而已可是當它是拿整個試管或整個的一個濃縮的這些病原進來的時候\n\n30\n00:11:16,101 --> 00:11:40,842\n就真的很有可能被不法之徒用去當作一些可能的灰色攻擊您說的灰色攻擊這個我們必須要防所以在田間的部分我們現在針對河谷鐮刀菌有一套很好的防治的技術然後也有一些抗病的品種在出現那這個部分我們會持續不只是這個菌其他的部分我們現在已經我只是舉這個案例\n\n31\n00:11:41,982 --> 00:11:58,655\n不管是榕榆樹你現在講的是你的防疫那如果防檢的部分呢對防檢的部分也是一樣我們一定要把所有的病人阻擋在所謂的境外啦好那你們就精進檢討一下好不好對我們這個會來處理好謝謝以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n49\t450\t請帶華委員做詢問有請部長陳部長\n22607\t36550\t本席針對糧食自主率這個議題受到持續下降我們檢討它的原因其中有一項特別要跟部長來做討論就是地緣政治風險下的農業邊防的檢疫因與時俱進農業因盛防灰色威脅所造成的傷害\n45692\t71835\t好在這個非洲當我們的這個亞台灣成為亞洲唯一三大病株的非疫區這是非常不容易的一個成果那但是呢我們的這個威脅是存在的所以在這個非洲豬瘟的飄死豬還是成豬扑熊的出現在我們的海防那包括這個農業的灰色危機這個我也舉了一個美國的\n72355\t96415\t案例那在這個甚至在推波助瀾在農業自動化之下這樣的農業灰色威脅也開始了自動化這對於我們現在比較艱困的糧食自主率的下降當中我們應該怎麼樣的一些因應好在世界動物衛生組織當中我們在法國在法國舉行台灣在會中取得了傳統\n97956\t125655\t租温非异国的认证成为亚洲唯一拥有非洲租温以及传统租温及口蹄三大租资并证的非异区的地位农业部房检署的同仁是功不可没但这个威胁却并未消失我们要如何谨慎因应这当中我们的总统也提到了几个方向持续强化边境\n126055\t138687\t房檢以及提升競爭力好我們就來檢討我們現在的房檢現況跟未來好在非洲豬瘟的部分自中國發生非洲豬瘟的時候一直到去年6月26號金門都還出現非洲豬瘟的病死豬\n143291\t162829\t而這在回溯到4年前110年4月的時候也出現了非洲豬瘟的病死豬漂流到新北他不是我們傳統認為中國來的老會智在金門馬祖竟然在4年前是漂到新北好那這個呢我們來看\n165071\t188510\t美国他是怎么积极的因应这样的一个边境防疫不分龙鱼跟鳞的部分好他们在前几天6月3号的时候美国的司法部起诉了两名的科学家他们呢起诉他呢他们这个走私带入美国的真菌为核古联胞菌\n189710\t203854\t這個河谷聯包郡就是右邊這樣的一個報導當中這四個塑膠袋每一個塑膠袋就是一個郡租這郡租當中裡面內含了多少的郡司跟郡總在裡面郡司在裡面可能是千萬\n209595\t230493\t這樣一包裡面這一小顆你們可能有千千萬萬顆在裡面就好像我皮革力可能大家比較好理解就是我們的這個常常為一般國人所苦的像香港腳他腳但是這個真菌這樣的菌類附著在腳上了所以就有香港香港腳這個東西概念是一樣的好所以這樣的菌\n231394\t259973\t附上到我的農業的這個品種上的時候種下去當中該真菌會被認定為可能為農業恐怖攻擊的潛力武器而這個東西呢他們追溯是在三年前就展開他今年起訴這樣的中國科學家但是發現到他們在三年前就展開這樣的規模的規劃跟進行為什麼他要做這件事情呢因為這個核包聯包菌核穀聯包菌多麼厲害會造成小麥大麥玉米\n261374\t286123\t稻米的刺霉病这个小麦大麦玉米在美国他们是饲料在是作为饲料用台湾的稻米我们是人在吃的所以这样的菌丝在美国如果未来在台湾发生的时候会导致牲口人类的呕吐吃下去之后种出来然后有了这些霉菌之后然后就会\n287223\t307980\t有这种牲口人类呕吐肝损伤甚至缺陷及刺癌所以为什么美国的针对这样的边境防疫这么的谨慎因应好那这个农业自动化下这样的农业的灰色威胁可能也就自动化怎么说呢我就以这个为例河谷联包菌\n308600\t332832\t的擴散樣態它可以透過自然界擴散它可以透過人為的自動化載具的擴散如果在自然界這樣的河谷蓮苞菌它附著在玉米跟水稻的一個種子上生長而導致這樣的植物發病之後在它的子蘭苞只成熟噴出之後藉著自然的氣流風雨的傳播整片的田野\n333852\t349870\t就這樣一顆我一粒米我一粒玉米或一粒水稻它裡面有這樣的菌絲菌種這樣存在之後這樣它的噴出來成熟噴出來之後藉著自然的風雨傳播跟\n351031\t355416\t氣流整片田野就染病了那也透過人為的這樣的自動載具這樣的河谷連包具呢就是只要融入這個液態的肥料透過各種自動化的設備如果像無人機右上角所示的圖片它噴灑在農田它不需要附著在物種\n370031\t374575\t他只要噴灑在這個肥料裡面 液態肥料裡面這樣一灑 哇 這樣全田也都腫這個都懶病了所以這樣的農業的灰色威脅令作物大幅減產和失去使用價值嚴重威脅到我們的糧食自主和食品安全好 我們來看本席在議的這樣的糧食自主率\n394831\t421964\t這樣的糧食自主率當中這個呢國內因應旱災的政策優先順序一定先停工農業灌溉用水那所以呢農業部去年公布的112年的糧食供需年報當中很呈現了剛好112年是百年旱災台灣的糧食自主率持續下降所以一直到2023年我們還跌到18年新低喔這個前年在水稻方面112年加難\n424385\t429168\t平原的停灌導致水稻的減產減產了10.7萬公噸使我們的穀類糧食自足率從111年的26.6%下降到25.5%好我就以美國個案\n440834\t454885\t如果我國若招式類似的農業灰色攻擊將會使原有的穀類特別是稻米的糧食自主力出現更大的衝擊將嚴重影響到國內糧食穩定好我在這邊建請農業部你們做要做精進了現有的防檢跟防疫要做精進我絕對肯定這個防檢署的這個同仁的努力或者我們不會是亞洲在這個\n470736\t496296\t这个非疫区的这样的猪瘟能够拔疫而且是亚洲第一的非疫区但是是不是要面临针对粮食危机所因应的这个我们边境的这个防检跟防疫我们是不是应该要更精进呢那所以呢对于防检的部分你们就了解一下国际先进国家对于农业边防的管制跟检验的方案类似\n497357\t509624\t尤其類似這樣的真菌株的查驗困難因為本席非常的好奇我都想瞭解你看這第五頁右上角這個菌是他們美國怎麼查獲你說株質這麼大體我還可以去看這樣的這樣的一個河谷聯胞菌在右邊這樣子他怎麼查獲我個人都很好奇\n520490\t521753\t我們本部當中的這個防檢的同仁你們怎麼來防檢呢這個我都很好奇所以這個第一個\n530595\t533197\t你們就要經濟你們的參考一下先進國家怎麼做這是第二個呢這個經濟農業防疫的機制預防威脅還是剩餘事後的處理農業部應該積極主動掌握國內主要的經濟物種不管是榮 餘 序產等他可能遭遇的毀滅性影響的病原資訊\n553388\t559373\t為什麼我講這句話呢因為這個您也是學者出身啊所以呢我絕對相信我們的農業專家國內的農業學者或專家他絕對知道我的主要經濟作物他可能會有哪些毀滅性影響的病原資訊那我們農業部通常都怎麼做就是他做他的學術我做我的行政作為然後我遇到困難的時候再邀請他們來那我們一起來想辦法\n580689\t584053\t但是為什麼不事先 你對於國內主要的經濟物種不管是榮 魚 畜牧 你事先掌握了這樣子的邊防你看美國他是怎麼的因應他們也追能夠這麼小的東西是農產品的對於他們這個美國農業當中的影響他能夠在邊防就阻絕了這樣的一個真菌\n603613\t607695\t好那在國內我也請你們一定要針對可能遭受的農業灰色恐攻所形成的傷害作物的染疫減產跟這個疾病的傳播應先預先建立起這樣的對應機制好針對這樣的精進作為的\n621923\t650550\t這樣的一個建議來提高不要說提高啦能夠穩定我們國內的糧食自主的一個這樣的一個這樣的一個目標您怎麼看本席的這樣的這個提案呢我想非常謝謝委員的一些建議我分兩點第一個部分就是那個河谷連刀郡正式的全名是連刀郡不是聯包郡連刀郡本身在台灣\n651130\t674720\t已經有這樣的一個病原菌發生的這些危害然後它現在目前並不是法定的該防檢疫的部分但是委員提到一個非常重要的是一般我們在蜘蛛如果染這個病的話我們看到會把它銷毀但是它可能是一個單株而已可是當它是拿整個試管或整個的一個濃縮的這些病原進來的時候\n676101\t700842\t就真的很有可能被不法之徒用去當作一些可能的灰色攻擊您說的灰色攻擊這個我們必須要防所以在田間的部分我們現在針對河谷鐮刀菌有一套很好的防治的技術然後也有一些抗病的品種在出現那這個部分我們會持續不只是這個菌其他的部分我們現在已經我只是舉這個案例\n701982\t718655\t不管是榕 榆 樹你現在講的是你的防疫那如果防檢的部分呢對 防檢的部分也是一樣我們一定要把所有的病人阻擋在所謂的境外啦好 那你們就精進檢討一下好不好對 我們這個會來處理好 謝謝 以上謝謝\n","txt":"請帶華委員做詢問有請部長陳部長\n本席針對糧食自主率這個議題受到持續下降我們檢討它的原因其中有一項特別要跟部長來做討論就是地緣政治風險下的農業邊防的檢疫因與時俱進農業因盛防灰色威脅所造成的傷害\n好在這個非洲當我們的這個亞台灣成為亞洲唯一三大病株的非疫區這是非常不容易的一個成果那但是呢我們的這個威脅是存在的所以在這個非洲豬瘟的飄死豬還是成豬扑熊的出現在我們的海防那包括這個農業的灰色危機這個我也舉了一個美國的\n案例那在這個甚至在推波助瀾在農業自動化之下這樣的農業灰色威脅也開始了自動化這對於我們現在比較艱困的糧食自主率的下降當中我們應該怎麼樣的一些因應好在世界動物衛生組織當中我們在法國在法國舉行台灣在會中取得了傳統\n租温非异国的认证成为亚洲唯一拥有非洲租温以及传统租温及口蹄三大租资并证的非异区的地位农业部房检署的同仁是功不可没但这个威胁却并未消失我们要如何谨慎因应这当中我们的总统也提到了几个方向持续强化边境\n房檢以及提升競爭力好我們就來檢討我們現在的房檢現況跟未來好在非洲豬瘟的部分自中國發生非洲豬瘟的時候一直到去年6月26號金門都還出現非洲豬瘟的病死豬\n而這在回溯到4年前110年4月的時候也出現了非洲豬瘟的病死豬漂流到新北他不是我們傳統認為中國來的老會智在金門馬祖竟然在4年前是漂到新北好那這個呢我們來看\n美国他是怎么积极的因应这样的一个边境防疫不分龙鱼跟鳞的部分好他们在前几天6月3号的时候美国的司法部起诉了两名的科学家他们呢起诉他呢他们这个走私带入美国的真菌为核古联胞菌\n這個河谷聯包郡就是右邊這樣的一個報導當中這四個塑膠袋每一個塑膠袋就是一個郡租這郡租當中裡面內含了多少的郡司跟郡總在裡面郡司在裡面可能是千萬\n這樣一包裡面這一小顆你們可能有千千萬萬顆在裡面就好像我皮革力可能大家比較好理解就是我們的這個常常為一般國人所苦的像香港腳他腳但是這個真菌這樣的菌類附著在腳上了所以就有香港香港腳這個東西概念是一樣的好所以這樣的菌\n附上到我的農業的這個品種上的時候種下去當中該真菌會被認定為可能為農業恐怖攻擊的潛力武器而這個東西呢他們追溯是在三年前就展開他今年起訴這樣的中國科學家但是發現到他們在三年前就展開這樣的規模的規劃跟進行為什麼他要做這件事情呢因為這個核包聯包菌核穀聯包菌多麼厲害會造成小麥大麥玉米\n稻米的刺霉病这个小麦大麦玉米在美国他们是饲料在是作为饲料用台湾的稻米我们是人在吃的所以这样的菌丝在美国如果未来在台湾发生的时候会导致牲口人类的呕吐吃下去之后种出来然后有了这些霉菌之后然后就会\n有这种牲口人类呕吐肝损伤甚至缺陷及刺癌所以为什么美国的针对这样的边境防疫这么的谨慎因应好那这个农业自动化下这样的农业的灰色威胁可能也就自动化怎么说呢我就以这个为例河谷联包菌\n的擴散樣態它可以透過自然界擴散它可以透過人為的自動化載具的擴散如果在自然界這樣的河谷蓮苞菌它附著在玉米跟水稻的一個種子上生長而導致這樣的植物發病之後在它的子蘭苞只成熟噴出之後藉著自然的氣流風雨的傳播整片的田野\n就這樣一顆我一粒米我一粒玉米或一粒水稻它裡面有這樣的菌絲菌種這樣存在之後這樣它的噴出來成熟噴出來之後藉著自然的風雨傳播跟\n氣流整片田野就染病了那也透過人為的這樣的自動載具這樣的河谷連包具呢就是只要融入這個液態的肥料透過各種自動化的設備如果像無人機右上角所示的圖片它噴灑在農田它不需要附著在物種\n他只要噴灑在這個肥料裡面 液態肥料裡面這樣一灑 哇 這樣全田也都腫這個都懶病了所以這樣的農業的灰色威脅令作物大幅減產和失去使用價值嚴重威脅到我們的糧食自主和食品安全好 我們來看本席在議的這樣的糧食自主率\n這樣的糧食自主率當中這個呢國內因應旱災的政策優先順序一定先停工農業灌溉用水那所以呢農業部去年公布的112年的糧食供需年報當中很呈現了剛好112年是百年旱災台灣的糧食自主率持續下降所以一直到2023年我們還跌到18年新低喔這個前年在水稻方面112年加難\n平原的停灌導致水稻的減產減產了10.7萬公噸使我們的穀類糧食自足率從111年的26.6%下降到25.5%好我就以美國個案\n如果我國若招式類似的農業灰色攻擊將會使原有的穀類特別是稻米的糧食自主力出現更大的衝擊將嚴重影響到國內糧食穩定好我在這邊建請農業部你們做要做精進了現有的防檢跟防疫要做精進我絕對肯定這個防檢署的這個同仁的努力或者我們不會是亞洲在這個\n这个非疫区的这样的猪瘟能够拔疫而且是亚洲第一的非疫区但是是不是要面临针对粮食危机所因应的这个我们边境的这个防检跟防疫我们是不是应该要更精进呢那所以呢对于防检的部分你们就了解一下国际先进国家对于农业边防的管制跟检验的方案类似\n尤其類似這樣的真菌株的查驗困難因為本席非常的好奇我都想瞭解你看這第五頁右上角這個菌是他們美國怎麼查獲你說株質這麼大體我還可以去看這樣的這樣的一個河谷聯胞菌在右邊這樣子他怎麼查獲我個人都很好奇\n我們本部當中的這個防檢的同仁你們怎麼來防檢呢這個我都很好奇所以這個第一個\n你們就要經濟你們的參考一下先進國家怎麼做這是第二個呢這個經濟農業防疫的機制預防威脅還是剩餘事後的處理農業部應該積極主動掌握國內主要的經濟物種不管是榮 餘 序產等他可能遭遇的毀滅性影響的病原資訊\n為什麼我講這句話呢因為這個您也是學者出身啊所以呢我絕對相信我們的農業專家國內的農業學者或專家他絕對知道我的主要經濟作物他可能會有哪些毀滅性影響的病原資訊那我們農業部通常都怎麼做就是他做他的學術我做我的行政作為然後我遇到困難的時候再邀請他們來那我們一起來想辦法\n但是為什麼不事先 你對於國內主要的經濟物種不管是榮 魚 畜牧 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