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00:03:31,214\n這個部分事實上我們在看法規上是沒有問題啦但是交通部跟鐵路局也沒有可能做這樣子的決定我覺得這個是一個很重要的承諾要不然我每一次都等台鐵已經三次跟我說沒問題了這等下去真的是遙遙無期會被人家笑說你蓋得那麼漂亮變成文字館所以這個部分是不是\n\n10\n00:03:32,830 --> 00:03:53,450\n我們的次長跟總經理可以在這邊給我一個比較明確的答覆我想我跟那個召委報告啦齁剛剛講大概兩個方向第一個就是剛剛委員提到說一加一的問題嘛一加一的問題其實我們去問過財政部初參司初參司他兩個合併的時候他那個程序要重來\n\n11\n00:03:54,531 --> 00:04:16,190\n所以重來時間我們這個已經跟他確認過這是第一個會重來時間比較久一點當然這是我們的也是幫案之一第二個就是我們提到的分區分區分區分區分區對這部分我們現在這部分已經在研擬我們現在暫不先不管6月26號的事情這個部分我們現在在研擬\n\n12\n00:04:17,071 --> 00:04:41,393\n那剛提到的第一期一定要有電影院的部分這個我們一定會這樣炒作方式來做然後我們現在在把這些信息來寫在場上我現在是要跟次長跟總經理報告就是說分期分期如果626沒有那分期分期是不是一再規劃我們現在就在已經在研擬了\n\n13\n00:04:42,742 --> 00:05:07,276\n不是啊你現在626如果沒有你就要趕快設方案我已經聽了三次說沒問題有信心沒有沒問題有信心沒有這一次626是第三次了喔對626這一次看起來我看我覺得應該是不樂觀啦沒有錯所以我是要求同仁剛剛講的對那你626如果沒有的話你現在再來規劃分期分區\n\n14\n00:05:08,410 --> 00:05:16,472\n要規劃到什麼時候這個比較單純這個比較單純我覺得坦白講次長我一直覺得說單純理想上是都沒問題啦但是我要看到務實的狀況真的是有效啦\n\n15\n00:05:27,355 --> 00:05:52,750\n那你今天其實台北車站跟鳳山車站坦白講鳳山車站即使是分期分區啦它還是要花建設的成本所以對廠商來講它要去OT要再開久一點其實然後之前的問題他們在考慮到它整個商圈周遭包括拉拉炮等等的這些問題讓它做一併考量\n\n16\n00:05:54,210 --> 00:06:19,233\n譬如說我還是不敢抱得太樂觀的態度啦所以我是認為說其實你如果是一加一是最快啦說實在台北車頭一定賺錢嘛我鳳山車頭有可能前陣子要倒租其實是有願景的譬如說以前我三井拉拉破如果合作會其實它可以互相拉抬的但是初期會比較辛苦\n\n17\n00:06:21,012 --> 00:06:46,152\n所以就是說我認為說有時候這個是決策決策的果斷性跟前瞻性啦就是說我如果今天如果是26626沒有結果的話我如果快刀斬亂嘛我就是果斷一點我就是決定1加1我相信台北車站一定有人會去標啦台北車道不可能沒人要標嘛\n\n18\n00:06:47,725 --> 00:06:50,951\n台北請教導國防省請教導1加1就一定飆得出去嘛你用邏輯來思考其他的細節台鐵說要再拚國1加1要拚國兩年要廢話的\n\n19\n00:07:01,816 --> 00:07:25,443\n所以我是認為說這個其實在邏輯上就可以做這樣子的思考我在台北城市一定探訪一定有人來標這個邏輯沒問題吧是那鳳山1加1跟台北山1加1在鳳山坦白講初期因為他還要建設因為你一直說之前你BOTB跟OT的觀念沒有連接在一起對所以才會造成現在的問題是\n\n20\n00:07:26,983 --> 00:07:43,294\n那你現在如果叫新的廠商來標雖然是分期分區但是他還是要初期還是要做建設嘛要開過來用嘛所以坦白講我是真的是沒那麼樂觀啦所以我要拜託市長\n\n21\n00:07:45,543 --> 00:08:07,732\n董事長跟總經理跟未來的董事長就說我站在紅色車頭的角度你跟我一加一我應該是保證表的處理而且假設就是知名品牌的會來飆台北車站的基本上應該都是比較知名的品牌知名的品牌可以在台北車頭還可以在我們紅色車頭我覺得這很好\n\n22\n00:08:11,328 --> 00:08:32,522\n所以我是強烈建議就是次長跟總經理甚至未來的董事長我不知道什麼時候要進來但是我為什麼特別請吳次長就是說代替跟外當署長也是你要幫忙監管的嘛對不對是所以就是說我希望先在你一個人的胸口三個和尚沒水盒這個和尚就讓吳次長來擔啦\n\n23\n00:08:37,116 --> 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人、二十\n六、台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」、二十七、委\n員黃健豪等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修\n正草案」、二十八、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十四條及第四十五條條\n文修正草案」、二十九、委員林俊憲等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十五條條文修正草\n案」、三十、委員牛煦庭等18人、三十一、委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例\n第五十六條條文修正草案」、三十二、台灣民眾黨黨團 (11-1-13) 、三十三、台灣民眾黨黨團\n(11-1-21)分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」、三十四、委員羅智強\n等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十二條條文修正草案」、三十五、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十八條及第八十四條條文修正草案」、三十六、委員魯明哲等16人\n擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十條條文修正草案」、三十七、委員林俊憲等20人、三十八、\n委員廖先翔等19人、三十九、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具分別「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條條文\n修正草案」及四十、委員林思銘等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第九十二條之二條文草\n案」案【本日會議僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1145802_00004"}}}