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提供相關的書面給委員\n這個我要求一定是要管的第二個就是你們現在相關的配套現在還沒看到你剛剛特別提到說你們三個月之後要端出來我不知道端出什麼樣的方案喔那我就問你這幾項會不會在你的方案裡面第一個是自動緊急煞車系統\n要去強制配備 應該要配備的部分目前包括日本 南韓 歐盟 美國他們其實通通都有在做一些相關的實施那這個有沒有在你們的方案之一有或沒有跟委員報告這是屬於新車的安全法規這我們已經納入法規的 將來會做嗎UN111的法規我們預計從幾年開始我們從應該是117年吧117年新車 這麼久\n因為那是小型車的新車啦所以117年以後全面也都會加裝這個AV出來的新車會採用既有形式的話是119年那現在既有的車輛你們會不會去要求\n有些是可以改加裝的那加裝以後它會牽涉到整個車輛系統的問題恐怕不改還好 改了可能會出問題這樣的一個技術有它一定這個部分我要求你們應該要去研議另外一個是OBD車載診斷系統這個部分在你們現在方案裡面有沒有日本有 南韓有\n荷蘭也有歐盟也有在你們現在研議的方案裡面有沒有這個要去配套的安裝系統有沒有\n對 我們有相關的EDR的行車記錄系統一樣跟這個的它也可以發揮減速示警的效果就是到一些敏感區域它會去診斷 去記錄當時的相關的一個那您是診斷記錄啊 人家這個是提醒啊我們標榜我們AI 我們智慧國家但是在交通這一塊這麼的不智慧 這個是不行的我希望你們好好的去研議喔那我現在看起來對 我們了解一下\n對你們現在研議的內容我覺得太空泛了而且這些真正人家其他國家做得好的部分都沒有上來另外一個就是危險駕駛的部分針對高風險有一些國家他會限制像我剛剛講的83歲以上如果他要開高速公路他要高速駕駛夜間駕駛\n那這個部分適不適合有沒有配合他後面的那個整個身體健康的狀況的見解那像你可以看到美國人家是很細緻的就是他會去做這樣子的一個評估然後呢像這個南韓我覺得也做得很好\n他會根據你這個個案他會去認為如果你年紀夠太大你就是社區駕駛就好但是不以夜間駕駛或是高速駕駛我覺得這些都是非常細膩的人家做的比我們好的部分這個次長我對你有信心我希望\n這個你交通專業 這一些其他國家做得好的部分藉著這一次我們的高齡駕駛出現這麼多的狀況我覺得國家有責任 我們提出一個更好的政策更好的配套 然後來讓我們的這一些高齡者他們真的就是在國家的相關政策跟配套底下是安全的駕駛 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