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00:02:35,317\n是謝謝委員的這個提問有關這個部分因為是比較我們扣押的解約金的金額跟到最後其實如果不斷的帶電的話那個金額就會不一致我覺得這件事情應該要趕快競速的去釐清是這個部分我們回去會再做一個研議跟這個問題的釐清謝謝好謝謝莊委那我是不是請農業部部長\n\n8\n00:02:45,632 --> 00:02:45,652\n陳部長\n\n9\n00:03:15,893 --> 00:03:27,514\n後續這個經費我們後來有做什麼樣短中長期的規劃原來的班班有先來的那個經費當我們停止以後我們就移走了我們經費就移走了\n\n10\n00:03:28,530 --> 00:03:49,210\n我知道移走了但是你們當時對外的說法是我們還是要針對於弱農的那個是整個弱農產業的升級的計畫還在還在那你們有說要做短中長期的規劃那到底規劃了什麼我們有一個完整的規劃就是我們在短期之內我們要先把寡產牛的支柱先做一個調控\n\n11\n00:03:50,471 --> 00:04:00,196\n讓他的生產效率變高然後去針對本身第二個所以短中長期的規劃都已經出來了這7.48億怎麼用都已經有規劃了不是這個7.48億是多少4年20.8億這是另外的經費多少對不起你再說清楚4年20.8億\n\n12\n00:04:18,687 --> 00:04:25,893\n20.8億是好都有規劃了要怎麼用都有規劃了對我們有四年級的計畫在那邊執行好那我再問一件事情齁當時在2024到2027我們養牛的產業全面升級我們有個中程的規劃當時我看到你們的計畫書裡面是寫說我們希望農業部希望能夠達到生乳量的減量以利維持價格這個是當時的規劃對不對是\n\n13\n00:04:46,309 --> 00:04:56,353\n那現在的規劃的方向還是一樣嗎還是一樣好那我請問一件事情就是說有些弱能業者他們面臨現在台紐的協議零關稅這件事情為了要提升競爭力他們加入一些AI自動化的機器提高每天的產量那\n\n14\n00:05:07,657 --> 00:05:24,766\n如果你剛剛跟我講的就是說洛農目前減量還是我們的政策那目前洛農他們又透過AI系統希望增加牛乳量這個是不是互相衝突這個沒有互相衝突喔第一個就是我們把寡產牛就是說它本身\n\n15\n00:05:25,786 --> 00:05:49,279\n牛奶的生產效率比較低的我們把它淘汰然後一方面我們針對比較年輕的牛利用AI或其他的設備的改善讓它提升它的乳奶效率但是總體來講我們現在希望是牛奶產量大概48到49萬噸我們希望降到43萬噸才能夠達到一個比較好的平衡達到一定的價格嘛那我再問部長好的價格是不是消費者\n\n16\n00:05:54,548 --> 00:06:07,303\n一定會買那也不一定嘛對不對重點是如何提高擺在架上如何讓國人看到國產的品質或包裝或行銷或透過我農業部的輔導我們有足夠的競爭力嘛\n\n17\n00:06:11,771 --> 00:06:31,682\n這才是重點嘛所以無論在你剛剛講的20億還是40億短中長期的規劃裡面我希望可以透過你這些預算看到福島落農我們東西本來國產的本來就比外面的好這才是重點嘛除了維持價格之外重點是如何讓我們產品有競爭力嘛\n\n18\n00:06:32,813 --> 00:06:35,114\n你同不同意我的說法價格當然很重要但是如何透過我們的輔導包裝行銷或我們提供足夠的資源或設備讓它更有競爭力\n\n19\n00:06:51,394 --> 00:07:08,909\n了解所以我剛才說了三難端我們有一定的方法更重要就是在消費端怎麼樣讓產品做市場區隔然後另外包括鮮乳的標章還有產交履歷對啊但是部長我要跟你講我自己是家庭主婦之一我也常常在架上買\n\n20\n00:07:10,526 --> 00:07:34,293\n我希望看到更多具體的成效去行銷這都是國產的國產一定比外面好因為國產的農業部做了哪些輔導環境各方面我們做了標章什麼樣的標章所以我們一定比這些好對不起但是我沒有看到所以我非常期待看到你這些預算當中有這些具體的成效在輔導我們這些落農好我最後43秒部長\n\n21\n00:07:35,913 --> 00:07:55,914\n我前一陣子我去考察了我們內湖的花卉市場我覺得台灣的花卉是全國全國非常重要也是台灣之光因為我們在國際上我們的花卉是有一定的競爭力那近期我知道我們近期我們都每一年都有撥一些預算在做輔導但是我們面對極端氣候\n\n22\n00:07:58,737 --> 00:08:04,542\n我覺得這些運送的過程當中無論從彰化無論從哪裡運送到台北的花卉市場也好或出了台灣到國際其他去參展也好我覺得相關的設備跟冷鏈的系統或面對現在極端氣候我們如何有更好的設備來去輔導他們我覺得是關鍵重要的所以我希望部長去多花更多的心思去關注這一塊\n\n23\n00:08:25,899 --> 00:08:29,302\n能力系統是不是要再加強要做得更好我覺得都應該去做更專業的輔導或協助他們或編列預算去指導他們\n\n24\n00:08:35,868 --> 00:08:59,063\n我絕對同意特別是花卉的部分從產地不管是到北部的批發市場或到運銷的部分仍然是一個非常維持它的切花壽命或是盆花壽命的一個關鍵是無論是運送或在花卉市場都是這個部分我們在產地上面產業產地上面都有做適度的協助對我知道所以包括出了市場到國際去參展所以這個要拜託您編列相關的預算去更精進他們相關的設備跟輔導他們好不好\n\n25\n00:09:05,247 --> 00:09:13,261\n有包括上飛機的那個戰存箱是都要協助輔導好不好我非常期待今年也可以看到一些相關的預算的編列謝謝好謝謝現在請林詩明委員做詢問\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2515\t2716\t王專委\n12036\t37214\t我先請問一個小子題就是有關保險法前一陣子已經修法已經三讀完成了但是保單遭扣押後的相關的處置其實現在還是有很多的爭議就是說我們一般人的財產當遭到扣押之後我們債務人就沒有辦法去處分我們的財產譬如說我們的房子遭扣押之後我們就不能再去做房子其他的\n38034\t63787\t再去用房子來抵押來借款我想這個你非常清楚那當然保單遭到扣押之後這個藥保人當然不能再拿保單再去做借款我想這個是清楚的那但是保單遭到扣押之後其實藥保人不能再去處分保單包括借款節約的行為但是一般我們在投保的時候都會附註說是不是可以自動墊付保險費\n65188\t69791\t我們在做保險的時候通常會填這個事實所以有時候保單遭扣押的時候我們會發現事實上那個金額因為一般我如果被扣押事實上我不會再持續的去繳保費了那電付保費的性質其實在我看來其實就是借款\n83962\t92108\t但是如果保險公司就是說繼續的去扣那個店角的保費的時候其實事實上這跟當時的法律是互相違背的我認為當時在保單的有關保單的強制執行法制化之後我們保險局應該盡速的跟保險公司跟法院去釐清就是說我們是不是應該對扣押時存在的這個解約的金額其實要去釐清應該不要 照理說應該不能持續做\n114784\t125312\t這個帶電那個電付的這個電付自動電付的保險費的這個動作所以我覺得這個部分是不是應該要持續的去做釐清否則的話這跟當時我們當時那個金額就會不一樣如果持續代扣下去的話我們當時的這個法律當時就會有一點衝突你了解我的意思嗎\n139945\t155317\t是 謝謝委員的這個提問有關這個部分因為是比較我們扣押的解約金的金額跟到最後其實如果不斷的帶電的話那個金額就會不一致我覺得這件事情應該要趕快競速的去釐清是 這個部分我們回去會再做一個研議跟這個問題的釐清 謝謝好 謝謝莊委那我是不是請農業部部長\n165632\t165652\t陳部長\n195893\t207514\t後續這個經費我們後來有做什麼樣短中長期的規劃原來的班班有先來的那個經費當我們停止以後我們就移走了我們經費就移走了\n208530\t229210\t我知道移走了 但是你們當時對外的說法是我們還是要針對於弱農的那個是整個弱農產業的升級的計畫還在還在 那你們有說要做短中長期的規劃那到底規劃了什麼我們有一個完整的規劃就是我們在短期之內我們要先把寡產牛的支柱先做一個調控\n230471\t240196\t讓他的生產效率變高然後去針對本身第二個所以短中長期的規劃都已經出來了這7.48億怎麼用都已經有規劃了不是這個7.48億是多少4年20.8億這是另外的經費多少對不起你再說清楚4年20.8億\n258687\t265893\t20.8億是好都有規劃了要怎麼用都有規劃了對我們有四年級的計畫在那邊執行好那我再問一件事情齁當時在2024到2027我們養牛的產業全面升級我們有個中程的規劃當時我看到你們的計畫書裡面是寫說我們希望農業部希望能夠達到生乳量的減量以利維持價格這個是當時的規劃對不對是\n286309\t296353\t那現在的規劃的方向還是一樣嗎還是一樣好那我請問一件事情就是說有些弱能業者他們面臨現在台紐的協議零關稅這件事情為了要提升競爭力他們加入一些AI自動化的機器提高每天的產量那\n307657\t324766\t如果你剛剛跟我講的就是說洛農目前減量還是我們的政策那目前洛農他們又透過AI系統希望增加牛乳量這個是不是互相衝突這個沒有互相衝突喔第一個就是我們把寡產牛就是說它本身\n325786\t349279\t牛奶的生產效率比較低的我們把它淘汰然後一方面我們針對比較年輕的牛利用AI或其他的設備的改善讓它提升它的乳奶效率但是總體來講我們現在希望是牛奶產量大概48到49萬噸我們希望降到43萬噸才能夠達到一個比較好的平衡達到一定的價格嘛那我再問部長好的價格是不是消費者\n354548\t367303\t一定會買 那也不一定嘛 對不對重點是如何提高 擺在架上如何讓國人看到國產的品質或包裝或行銷或透過我農業部的輔導我們有足夠的競爭力嘛\n371771\t391682\t這才是重點嘛所以無論在你剛剛講的20億還是40億短中長期的規劃裡面我希望可以透過你這些預算看到福島落農我們東西本來國產的本來就比外面的好這才是重點嘛除了維持價格之外重點是如何讓我們產品有競爭力嘛\n392813\t395114\t你同不同意我的說法價格當然很重要但是如何透過我們的輔導包裝行銷或我們提供足夠的資源或設備讓它更有競爭力\n411394\t428909\t了解所以我剛才說了三難端我們有一定的方法更重要就是在消費端怎麼樣讓產品做市場區隔然後另外包括鮮乳的標章還有產交履歷對啊但是部長我要跟你講我自己是家庭主婦之一我也常常在架上買\n430526\t454293\t我希望看到更多具體的成效去行銷這都是國產的 國產一定比外面好因為國產的農業部做了哪些輔導環境各方面我們做了標章 什麼樣的標章所以我們一定比這些好對不起 但是我沒有看到所以我非常期待看到你這些預算當中有這些具體的成效在輔導我們這些落農好 我最後43秒 部長\n455913\t475914\t我前一陣子我去考察了我們內湖的花卉市場我覺得台灣的花卉是全國全國非常重要也是台灣之光因為我們在國際上我們的花卉是有一定的競爭力那近期我知道我們近期我們都每一年都有撥一些預算在做輔導但是我們面對極端氣候\n478737\t484542\t我覺得這些運送的過程當中無論從彰化無論從哪裡運送到台北的花卉市場也好或出了台灣到國際其他去參展也好我覺得相關的設備跟冷鏈的系統或面對現在極端氣候我們如何有更好的設備來去輔導他們我覺得是關鍵重要的所以我希望部長去多花更多的心思去關注這一塊\n505899\t509302\t能力系統是不是要再加強 要做得更好我覺得都應該去做更專業的輔導或協助他們或編列預算去指導他們\n515868\t539063\t我絕對同意特別是花卉的部分從產地不管是到北部的批發市場或到運銷的部分仍然是一個非常維持它的切花壽命或是盆花壽命的一個關鍵是無論是運送或在花卉市場都是這個部分我們在產地上面產業產地上面都有做適度的協助對我知道所以包括出了市場到國際去參展所以這個要拜託您編列相關的預算去更精進他們相關的設備跟輔導他們好不好\n545247\t553261\t有包括上飛機的那個戰存箱是 都要協助輔導好不好我非常期待今年也可以看到一些相關的預算的編列謝謝好 謝謝現在請林詩明委員做詢問\n","txt":"王專委\n我先請問一個小子題就是有關保險法前一陣子已經修法已經三讀完成了但是保單遭扣押後的相關的處置其實現在還是有很多的爭議就是說我們一般人的財產當遭到扣押之後我們債務人就沒有辦法去處分我們的財產譬如說我們的房子遭扣押之後我們就不能再去做房子其他的\n再去用房子來抵押來借款我想這個你非常清楚那當然保單遭到扣押之後這個藥保人當然不能再拿保單再去做借款我想這個是清楚的那但是保單遭到扣押之後其實藥保人不能再去處分保單包括借款節約的行為但是一般我們在投保的時候都會附註說是不是可以自動墊付保險費\n我們在做保險的時候通常會填這個事實所以有時候保單遭扣押的時候我們會發現事實上那個金額因為一般我如果被扣押事實上我不會再持續的去繳保費了那電付保費的性質其實在我看來其實就是借款\n但是如果保險公司就是說繼續的去扣那個店角的保費的時候其實事實上這跟當時的法律是互相違背的我認為當時在保單的有關保單的強制執行法制化之後我們保險局應該盡速的跟保險公司跟法院去釐清就是說我們是不是應該對扣押時存在的這個解約的金額其實要去釐清應該不要 照理說應該不能持續做\n這個帶電那個電付的這個電付自動電付的保險費的這個動作所以我覺得這個部分是不是應該要持續的去做釐清否則的話這跟當時我們當時那個金額就會不一樣如果持續代扣下去的話我們當時的這個法律當時就會有一點衝突你了解我的意思嗎\n是 謝謝委員的這個提問有關這個部分因為是比較我們扣押的解約金的金額跟到最後其實如果不斷的帶電的話那個金額就會不一致我覺得這件事情應該要趕快競速的去釐清是 這個部分我們回去會再做一個研議跟這個問題的釐清 謝謝好 謝謝莊委那我是不是請農業部部長\n陳部長\n後續這個經費我們後來有做什麼樣短中長期的規劃原來的班班有先來的那個經費當我們停止以後我們就移走了我們經費就移走了\n我知道移走了 但是你們當時對外的說法是我們還是要針對於弱農的那個是整個弱農產業的升級的計畫還在還在 那你們有說要做短中長期的規劃那到底規劃了什麼我們有一個完整的規劃就是我們在短期之內我們要先把寡產牛的支柱先做一個調控\n讓他的生產效率變高然後去針對本身第二個所以短中長期的規劃都已經出來了這7.48億怎麼用都已經有規劃了不是這個7.48億是多少4年20.8億這是另外的經費多少對不起你再說清楚4年20.8億\n20.8億是好都有規劃了要怎麼用都有規劃了對我們有四年級的計畫在那邊執行好那我再問一件事情齁當時在2024到2027我們養牛的產業全面升級我們有個中程的規劃當時我看到你們的計畫書裡面是寫說我們希望農業部希望能夠達到生乳量的減量以利維持價格這個是當時的規劃對不對是\n那現在的規劃的方向還是一樣嗎還是一樣好那我請問一件事情就是說有些弱能業者他們面臨現在台紐的協議零關稅這件事情為了要提升競爭力他們加入一些AI自動化的機器提高每天的產量那\n如果你剛剛跟我講的就是說洛農目前減量還是我們的政策那目前洛農他們又透過AI系統希望增加牛乳量這個是不是互相衝突這個沒有互相衝突喔第一個就是我們把寡產牛就是說它本身\n牛奶的生產效率比較低的我們把它淘汰然後一方面我們針對比較年輕的牛利用AI或其他的設備的改善讓它提升它的乳奶效率但是總體來講我們現在希望是牛奶產量大概48到49萬噸我們希望降到43萬噸才能夠達到一個比較好的平衡達到一定的價格嘛那我再問部長好的價格是不是消費者\n一定會買 那也不一定嘛 對不對重點是如何提高 擺在架上如何讓國人看到國產的品質或包裝或行銷或透過我農業部的輔導我們有足夠的競爭力嘛\n這才是重點嘛所以無論在你剛剛講的20億還是40億短中長期的規劃裡面我希望可以透過你這些預算看到福島落農我們東西本來國產的本來就比外面的好這才是重點嘛除了維持價格之外重點是如何讓我們產品有競爭力嘛\n你同不同意我的說法價格當然很重要但是如何透過我們的輔導包裝行銷或我們提供足夠的資源或設備讓它更有競爭力\n了解所以我剛才說了三難端我們有一定的方法更重要就是在消費端怎麼樣讓產品做市場區隔然後另外包括鮮乳的標章還有產交履歷對啊但是部長我要跟你講我自己是家庭主婦之一我也常常在架上買\n我希望看到更多具體的成效去行銷這都是國產的 國產一定比外面好因為國產的農業部做了哪些輔導環境各方面我們做了標章 什麼樣的標章所以我們一定比這些好對不起 但是我沒有看到所以我非常期待看到你這些預算當中有這些具體的成效在輔導我們這些落農好 我最後43秒 部長\n我前一陣子我去考察了我們內湖的花卉市場我覺得台灣的花卉是全國全國非常重要也是台灣之光因為我們在國際上我們的花卉是有一定的競爭力那近期我知道我們近期我們都每一年都有撥一些預算在做輔導但是我們面對極端氣候\n我覺得這些運送的過程當中無論從彰化無論從哪裡運送到台北的花卉市場也好或出了台灣到國際其他去參展也好我覺得相關的設備跟冷鏈的系統或面對現在極端氣候我們如何有更好的設備來去輔導他們我覺得是關鍵重要的所以我希望部長去多花更多的心思去關注這一塊\n能力系統是不是要再加強 要做得更好我覺得都應該去做更專業的輔導或協助他們或編列預算去指導他們\n我絕對同意特別是花卉的部分從產地不管是到北部的批發市場或到運銷的部分仍然是一個非常維持它的切花壽命或是盆花壽命的一個關鍵是無論是運送或在花卉市場都是這個部分我們在產地上面產業產地上面都有做適度的協助對我知道所以包括出了市場到國際去參展所以這個要拜託您編列相關的預算去更精進他們相關的設備跟輔導他們好不好\n有包括上飛機的那個戰存箱是 都要協助輔導好不好我非常期待今年也可以看到一些相關的預算的編列謝謝好 謝謝現在請林詩明委員做詢問\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.515 --> 00:02.716\n王專委\n\n00:12.036 --> 00:37.214\n我先請問一個小子題就是有關保險法前一陣子已經修法已經三讀完成了但是保單遭扣押後的相關的處置其實現在還是有很多的爭議就是說我們一般人的財產當遭到扣押之後我們債務人就沒有辦法去處分我們的財產譬如說我們的房子遭扣押之後我們就不能再去做房子其他的\n\n00:38.034 --> 01:03.787\n再去用房子來抵押來借款我想這個你非常清楚那當然保單遭到扣押之後這個藥保人當然不能再拿保單再去做借款我想這個是清楚的那但是保單遭到扣押之後其實藥保人不能再去處分保單包括借款節約的行為但是一般我們在投保的時候都會附註說是不是可以自動墊付保險費\n\n01:05.188 --> 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