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00:01:04,307\n換句話說照總數的大概六分之一到七分之一左右的這個乘數那死傷的人死亡的人員有六百多人六萬多人受傷是酒駕釀成死傷的多少倍六倍\n\n4\n00:01:06,048 --> 00:01:30,086\n所以呢這個無照事故呢不僅它是多而且在增加我沒有看到日本美國新加坡他們在無照駕駛的部分呢除了行政法之外他有刑法他有刑法他並且還有設計扣車甚至取消駕駛的資格那麼也這個同層的人呢那也做處分也做處分\n\n5\n00:01:31,528 --> 00:01:41,523\n當然我們不是說一定要通通都學別人但是學界認為台灣無照駕駛的成本過低\n\n6\n00:01:42,540 --> 00:02:09,739\n那政府應該要拿出方案所以我要請教部長次長最近在修法你們也提出修法修法你是說未來無照駕駛的部分懲處的部分要比照酒駕的方式來懲處這就第一個要加重滑軟而且累犯的部分呢滑軟的部分說是要無上限那也包括了當場吊扣車子\n\n7\n00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:26,077\n那也包括了車主連帶重罰等等的這些方向所以我要請教目前你們的進度如何到底你的細節是什麼你的經驗又是什麼你預期的效果又是什麼請做說明\n\n8\n00:02:27,637 --> 00:02:51,048\n我想跟委員做一個說明就是有關委員也了解說我們對於無照駕駛認為要比照酒駕來做處理其實就有幾個層面分開來就駕照的部分跟車輛的部分駕駛人部分跟車那駕駛人部分又會區分他是無照駕駛機車或者是汽車所以他本身無照駕駛的這個\n\n9\n00:02:52,449 --> 00:02:52,829\n這個就是討論無照駕駛的部分\n\n10\n00:03:22,689 --> 00:03:48,659\n所以你都要付出代價那這是駕照的部分那駕照的部分除了罰款以外還會做吊扣的處理吊扣駕照會依照你的勤節有一到兩年的兩到四年的甚至致人重傷或死亡的是屬於終身吊照的部分這是駕照的部分那車輛的部分你看那部無照駕駛的車輛他就會當場一致保管一致保管的同時就是會當場一致保管\n\n11\n00:03:49,079 --> 00:04:16,491\n一致保管以後就會做吊扣駕照吊扣牌照的處理那也會依照他的次數第一次依照他的情節對三個月六個月到一年不等那當然剛剛有特別提到車輛所有人不是駕駛人的時候他也要併罰相關的一個處罰也是連帶罰對連帶罰那有學者建議也就是說吊扣駕照仍然是無照駕駛因為這一塊很多\n\n12\n00:04:19,012 --> 00:04:38,739\n有一些數字所以有學者認為必須納入刑法那累犯更應該要有累犯你剛剛說的這個罰則才能夠抑制一些危險駕駛他就是怎麼樣圖一個僥倖的心態賭一個不會被抓到的心態那我們政府的立場是如何呢\n\n13\n00:04:40,666 --> 00:05:02,870\n是為了要讓大家對於無照駕駛很正式的無照駕駛是在對於車輛或是行駛一個車輛自我一個責任很重要所以我們在這裡才會希望說他累罰而且無上限透過這個重罰來遏止那另外剛剛委員特別提到是不是要用刑罰的部分那個可能就是要請法務部看怎麼樣來做相關的考慮\n\n14\n00:05:02,990 --> 00:05:31,066\n要去研議啦因為其他國家有那不一定我們都跟著人家一樣但是我們的這樣子的事件一直在增加這個是對不起人民那我們要怎麼樣有制度有法條然後有效的我想這是非常重要因為我們談到累犯的部分呢無照駕駛跟酒駕駛一樣的所以累犯的機率是非常的高我看到這個數字近三年來無照駕駛被抓到的數量\n\n15\n00:05:33,227 --> 00:06:00,347\n數字是18萬到20萬人次也就是說累犯就佔了將近三分之二就將近佔了三分之二所以對於要如何的遏止無照累犯本席認為應該要有所應對這個是非常的重要因為他佔了將近這個三分之二所以呢本席要在這邊也就提出金額的部分呢剛剛你沒回答本席\n\n16\n00:06:01,067 --> 00:06:26,457\n因為大家都提案那也就是說目前最高上限是罰的是兩萬四那也有人將本席所連署所提的是三萬六最高上限那其他的如果累犯的情況有甚至說希望到這個嚴重型態的到十萬那不知道行政部門你們到底到目前為止你的方向是如何呢\n\n17\n00:06:27,950 --> 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