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00:01:55,847\n我覺得高鐵上現在整體的營運運量都屢創新高我覺得是應該是他現在正在做車輛購置上的一個問題市長就很了解狀況現在高鐵就是因為運量屢創新高平日的時候很滿的跟假日一樣假日很滿跟國定假日一樣所以應該是要\n\n6\n00:01:57,088 --> 00:02:21,800\n你要調度車輛你要你現在你們不是也構置車輛說兩年後才會到嘛對嘛就要兩年後嘛所以現在要當董事長的人他要有運輸的專長嘛他知道怎麼樣安全而且讓這個車輛的在調度上面順利讓旅客在搭乘高鐵的時候可以更舒適這個才是現在高鐵的重點嘛然後結果你們政院人士講說行銷行銷是什麼意思行銷是\n\n7\n00:02:22,941 --> 00:02:44,019\n行銷就是要讓市場擴大啊等於意思是說高野現在市場不夠啦希望能夠再招攬更多的旅客讓運量再更提升這個是你們政院人士講使者來接這個理由啊那個次長你能夠接受嗎當然你講的是媒體報導啦我是說媒體報導這樣的一個知情人士說法你可以接受嗎\n\n8\n00:02:45,507 --> 00:02:59,256\n我還是重申剛才媒體上的報導我是問你你認不認同這樣說法我要講的就是說剛才其實我也講過要經營一個這個公司其實它需要各個\n\n9\n00:03:02,078 --> 00:03:25,553\n各方面的這不管是人也好或者是專業也好來共同你去公司的營運所以剛才特別提到專業的這一部分不管車輛調度安全啦控管啦營運財務其實跟行銷也好都是需要一群人來幫我的我覺得啦我的看法是這樣啦好那沒關係那我再來問你我再來問你啦那個知情人士說啊因為這個時針會溝通啊\n\n10\n00:03:28,775 --> 00:03:46,010\n那因為高鐵不管北延或南延啊都需要他運用這個地方政府的專長啊去跟地方政府溝通啊你認同這樣說法嗎我想問一下高鐵南延或北延是由高鐵董事長來決定嗎還是你們交通部決定交通部鐵道局\n\n11\n00:03:51,003 --> 00:04:15,625\n高鐵南延或是往宜蘭等等的當然是整個應該是我們鐵道局當然是鐵道局決定嘛而且地方政府的溝通我就舉一個例子像南延到屏東這件事情2019年當時的高雄市長韓國瑜他希望因為大家都知道南延有四個方案高雄方案左營方案還有另外兩個方案韓國瑜選的是高雄方案但是當時行政院長蘇貞昌認為要左營方案\n\n12\n00:04:18,260 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人、二十\n六、台灣民眾黨黨團分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條條文修正草案」、二十七、委\n員黃健豪等19人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第三十五條、第三十五條之二及第六十七條條文修\n正草案」、二十八、委員顏寬恒等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十四條及第四十五條條\n文修正草案」、二十九、委員林俊憲等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第四十五條條文修正草\n案」、三十、委員牛煦庭等18人、三十一、委員魯明哲等16人分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例\n第五十六條條文修正草案」、三十二、台灣民眾黨黨團 (11-1-13) 、三十三、台灣民眾黨黨團\n(11-1-21)分別擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第六十七條條文修正草案」、三十四、委員羅智強\n等16人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十二條條文修正草案」、三十五、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具\n「道路交通管理處罰條例第七十八條及第八十四條條文修正草案」、三十六、委員魯明哲等16人\n擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例第八十條條文修正草案」、三十七、委員林俊憲等20人、三十八、\n委員廖先翔等19人、三十九、台灣民眾黨黨團擬具分別「道路交通管理處罰條例第九十二條條文\n修正草案」及四十、委員林思銘等23人擬具「道路交通管理處罰條例增訂第九十二條之二條文草\n案」案【本日會議僅進行詢答】","agenda_id":"1145802_00004"}}}