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--> 00:00:09,880\n好謝謝主席那有請蔣正署謝謝好麻煩署長\n\n2\n00:00:15,182 --> 00:00:43,681\n好署長早安我們看了你們今天的業務報告內容提出一些問題跟您討論可是我必須要先說我認為我今天提出來的很多問題可能不是很快速的時間可以解決包含剛剛王逸川委員也有問到是薪水的問題嗎是因為大家都只想回家鄉服務嗎還是因為在現場的工作loading真的太重而很多的教育訓練跟保安措施可能沒有跟上所以我今天所有提出來的問題我要再次拜託\n\n3\n00:00:44,962 --> 00:01:08,456\n找戰術,我們可能需要一些時間來研議,但是我們一起努力往那個部分改進,這樣好不好?好,因為我等一下很多問題,我認為您可能不見得有辦法第一時間回應喔我們來看一下第一個,在過去這一段時間的新聞,其實這是2024到2025,我們只是簡單的摘錄一些新聞可是如果去分析這些新聞的樣態,我們認為它大概可以分幾個部分\n\n4\n00:01:09,036 --> 00:01:27,935\n第一個是受刑人對管理人或者是受刑人對受刑人或者是管理人對受刑人也就是在你們的工作現場所有矯正機關的第一線它所面臨的樣態其實非常非常的複雜不管是暴力事件不管是霸凌事件可是因為樣態非常非常複雜\n\n5\n00:01:29,577 --> 00:01:55,578\n我認為你們應該理應對這些不同的樣態就是我剛剛說的管理員對受刑受刑對管理受刑對受刑應該都有不同的應對之道可不可以請署長簡單回應一下關於這些新聞我們就不要個案討論了但是面對這麼複雜的樣態因為事實上在你們今天的報告裡面我們只看到受刑人對管理人的暴力事件你們有相關的數字\n\n6\n00:01:57,379 --> 00:02:21,389\n統計你們有相關的回應可是其他的樣態其實在你們的業務報告裡面都看不到但我認為那是應該是你們現場所會遇見的難題對不對來請署長回應一下報告委員我們對於比如說管理員有淋漓人患或是是說他縱容視同作業在毆打人患假如有這種情況那\n\n7\n00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:50,508\n我想這種會引起我們社會的一個疑問甚至於會對於我們矯正的一個整個制度的質疑甚至於會變成對這本人當事人也有行者的問題因此我們要特別注意所謂的外部的監督包括監察院或是地檢署的一些偵辦\n\n8\n00:02:52,429 --> 00:03:06,576\n那這個部分我想我們要用不袒護勿往勿重的態度來處理那至於受刑人的部分大部分就是監獄的管理內部的問題\n\n9\n00:03:07,737 --> 00:03:26,849\n那所以如果有受刑人ODA受刑人這個部分那我們可能要比如說他的工廠或是他的社房要審慎的配業配房至於是說受刑人跟受刑人之間的ODA我們也會跟他詢問\n\n10\n00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:53,502\n你被毆打了你要不要驗傷要不要提告書如果他要提告書一樣我們也會依照規定去移送這個地檢署來偵辦好所以看起來確實是有一些現象在現場發生的嘛不是沒有所以剛剛署長你才可以回應出這麼多的說法不過看起來我們來看下一張喔其實不是只有在檢索我們之前安排的考察\n\n11\n00:03:54,202 --> 00:04:20,504\n我們認為如果你從新聞來看或者是如果你回到實務現場少角效跟少管所應該也有類似的事情如同剛剛署長您說的我們來看下一張監察院其實在110跟114都分別有提出對於矯正署的監督跟有一些建議希望你們有一些改善包含轉嫌輔導啦霸凌文化啦那我認為這些雖然是針對所謂的少角效\n\n12\n00:04:20,984 --> 00:04:42,014\n但我們可想而知可能在其他的成人監所也有類似的情況而這個狀況我們往下看這就是我剛跟署長您說的我們來看一下這個我們整理的表格受刑人跟受刑人中間會有霸凌受刑人跟管理員之間會有暴力攻擊事件你剛也舉了一個例子有一個人要去戴戒具戒護的工具結果他被攻擊\n\n13\n00:04:42,674 --> 00:04:58,472\n或者是管理員對於受刑人可能會有不當的管理跟不當的管教還有管理員跟管理員之間可能因為工作現場讓他們有一些個性上的扭曲跟需要協助的心理因素結果不小心導致外在的行為變成職場霸凌\n\n14\n00:05:00,134 --> 00:05:13,800\n而這麼多的樣態我認為矯正署在所有第一線的行政配套如同你剛剛說的應該有非常多需要調整跟改進的地方他可能需要錢他可能需要人而我認為這些事情我們一一來討論來第一個\n\n15\n00:05:16,161 --> 00:05:36,988\n暴力跟攻擊的事件這個是來自於你們的業務報告裡面所說的從109年到113年我們看到統計數字我很好奇112年到113年這中間的轉變為什麼變這麼多從43變成75還有我也很好奇從今年114年目前已經6月中至現在為止1月到5月有相關統計嗎\n\n16\n00:05:40,154 --> 00:06:00,100\n1到5月今年總共有25件供給事件好這個是指收容人對對職員我們管理人員的供給那我很好奇112到113從43變成75件多增加了1.5倍你們有做相關後續的檢討或者是你們只有做統計數字有我們有做檢討\n\n17\n00:06:01,340 --> 00:06:21,918\n在委員提到的113年的暴行案件他確實有比較升高大部分就是反社會人格或是有暴力傾向的這些收容人他不服管教不服管理而對職員施暴那麼他的成因跟其他年度大約是相同的\n\n18\n00:06:22,691 --> 00:06:39,738\n好那如果你都已經找到原因一個是反社會人格再來是暴力傾向那我們在所謂的矯正機關裡面我們除了希望有所謂的矯正行為教化行為之外我們如何去看待這個事情來看下一張第二個相關統計的數字我來看一下\n\n19\n00:06:40,738 --> 00:07:08,556\n我也很好奇這也是在你們的書面報告裡面你們提到關於人員的部分剛剛益川委員已經問了借戶跟教化這邊的缺額其實真的非常巨量缺700多位而且他可能有借調的問題啊派到不同地方去可是我很好奇你們在有一欄的數字相對沒有那麼清楚就是新設人力跟醫事人力你有寫出原額可是所有的缺額你把它放在一起統計原因是為什麼\n\n20\n00:07:10,347 --> 00:07:19,039\n是我們在矯正機構裡面是把新社跟醫事視為是同一種人嗎所以你的缺額統計放在一起還是有什麼原因\n\n21\n00:07:19,805 --> 00:07:39,833\n我們有去瞭解那是欄位的問題沒有區分但是我們後來好像有對於新設人員跟醫事人員做一個區分新設人員的大概1比170醫事人員的比例大概所以新設是1比170\n\n22\n00:07:43,518 --> 00:08:01,547\n來更正一下1比186醫事人員比是1比228所以心理社工的人率比醫事人員稍微多一點好那我問一下缺額呢心社跟醫事的缺額有分別統計嗎因為這完全是不同的專業\n\n23\n00:08:04,093 --> 00:08:30,791\n我們統計缺額的部分沒有但是我們是針對介入人力比有做統計介入人力比那可是如果你沒有個別缺額的統計你怎麼知道你在後續的應聘上你要招哪些人來考這個考試你需要哪些專業人員來佈足你現場的需求因為我們的介入人員管理人員是考試那我們新設人員是聘用現在叫做約用人員以前是勞務承攬\n\n24\n00:08:34,333 --> 00:09:03,374\n所以他的禁用管道是不一樣但是在新設人力部分我們也是要感謝人總他有給我們175位的A用人員另外我們也謝謝法務部給我們25位就是說合併的A顧人員對於我們新設的輔導人力有一些幫助才對那醫事呢醫事人員這個部分我們就是\n\n25\n00:09:04,946 --> 00:09:18,885\n他是只要符合資格就是可以來報名包括比如說醫院有一些護士護理師他知道我們千億有聘護士他也要來報名\n\n26\n00:09:20,046 --> 00:09:44,979\n那現在剛剛署長你給我的數字我認為有幾個問題可是我一剛開始就說可能我提出來的問題不是您立刻回可以回答第一個雖然他的禁用管道不是一般所謂教保人員的考試他是約用但是我們真的還是要看現場食物所缺的狀況來決定我們要約用哪些人進來對嗎第二個新設跟醫事目前你剛給我的比例是新設是1比186\n\n27\n00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:59,108\n醫護是1比228在這個數字底下你認為是合格的數字嗎是真的有符合現場的需求嗎還是其實是不夠的只是我們可能因為錢不夠人不夠或是找不到人\n\n28\n00:10:01,967 --> 00:10:21,651\n當然這個比例上不能說完全足夠因為我們新社人員除了做毒品的輔導還有性侵家暴醫社人員他也是有一些包括病社他們要去做相關的他們的業務\n\n29\n00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:41,904\n意思就是說署長我聽懂了意思就是說不管是毒品性侵假報他其實需要心理師、社工師跟醫護人員在不同專業給予一個受刑人協助而這個受刑人的樣態可能又不是只有單一犯罪樣態\n\n30\n00:10:42,885 --> 00:10:59,017\n所以一個受刑人身上可能要綁著非常多專業人員協助他在受刑被矯正的這段期間他有機會更正他的毒品行為性侵的傾向或者是家暴的傾向我們真的希望有機會在裡面做出矯正然後讓他們復歸社會的時候是可以好好的融入這個社會所以為什麼我會問你相關人員跟缺額我認為一定有匱乏\n\n31\n00:11:07,363 --> 00:11:31,991\n因為這個數字其實聽起來很驚人1比228跟1比186我認為相關的專業人員的工作量可能loading太重而回到受刑人那一端他們真的需要提出協助的時候可是我們人力也是不夠的所以我想後續這個部分我們再來討論如何協助矯正署在這一塊不管是從受刑人的角度或是從所謂專業人員的角度都各自可以讓那個狀況越來越好後續我們再來討論\n\n32\n00:11:34,662 --> 00:11:51,294\n感謝人的關心也請委員多多協助沒問題這個一定會努力協助來下一個我們要談受刑人對受刑人一樣有相關數字我們依然好奇受刑人對受刑人的相關霸凌或者是相關的暴力行為我們一樣在你們的業務報告裡面沒有看到統計數字\n\n33\n00:11:52,515 --> 00:12:15,420\n或者是現行的調查跟後續的處理機制也就是當受刑人對受刑人有暴力行為的時候在機構裡面怎麼處理然後受刑人會受到哪些懲罰嗎不管是你剛剛說的在配方的部分在工作的部分還有他們暴力行為之後我們如何再把矯正的教育的概念放進去又回到我剛前一張投影片說的專業人力的協助\n\n34\n00:12:16,980 --> 00:12:36,274\n然後到最後我們如何預防所有事情不要再次發生我認為它是一連串的問題所以我剛已經說了不過這邊署長要不要簡單回應一下我們如何看從我剛說的受刑人對受刑人啦管理人對受刑人受刑人對管理人管理人對管理人這中間樣派真的很多\n\n35\n00:12:37,660 --> 00:12:52,735\n報告委員我們在五月份有針對我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治及處理具體措施我們有這個條文這個法案我們已經從這個\n\n36\n00:12:55,918 --> 00:13:20,194\n114年的6月1號已經生效而且給我們各四所矯正學校那另外我們之前在各矯正機關有所謂的性侵性騷擾還有所謂的性霸凌以及其他欺凌事件其他欺凌事件其實已經有涵掛到所謂的霸凌這邊啦但是他沒有一個\n\n37\n00:13:21,295 --> 00:13:43,644\n矯正機關沒有一個具體的那麼具體的說這就霸凌的一個規則但是事實上我們含掛的這個部分都有給我們所屬兼所效來注意該跟地方主管機關通報的我們一定要通報如果有一些隱匿我們甚至會追究機關所長的責任\n\n38\n00:13:44,204 --> 00:13:58,410\n好你剛剛講的是繳銷的部分確實在霸凌防制準則從教育部那邊通過之後我們其實就有提醒教育部國教署要積極跟繳證署這邊合作來協助所謂繳繳銷跟關護所的部分可是如同你剛剛說的還有成人的監獄的部分\n\n39\n00:13:59,611 --> 00:14:26,942\n但因为我列的问题其实我要问的问题是一样的相关统计数字后续的管理跟后续的教育行为跟后续如何确保不再发生而那个样态我刚刚已经分析给您听了我认为我需要你们的相关资料那当然如果现在没有资料需要更多精进讨论我们未来可以一起努力所以最后我简单几个具体要求我刚刚已经跟你讨论了这么多第一个我们刚刚所有需要的资料要拜托矫正署这边协助第二个\n\n40\n00:14:28,242 --> 00:14:49,234\n矯正機關的暴力行為的防範我剛說那個樣態非常多元以對象來分分成這四種我從影片後續可以給矯正署作為參考也要拜託你們積極努力接下來戒護人力的部分還有相關人員的教育訓練也要持續精進最後一個我也很擔心喔我剛之所以會聽到新設人員跟醫護人員就是\n\n41\n00:14:49,734 --> 00:15:17,580\n我認為可能是因為薪水的關係可能是因為回家鄉服務的關係但是在監所裡面的管理人員我認為他們的工作心理壓力一定很大我們有沒有適合的心理服務方案去協助這些在監所第一線工作的管理人員我不確定現在有沒有但後續你們可以提供資料給我報告委員我們人事室各機關人事室有所謂員工的關懷的一個方案我們有需要都會透過人事\n\n42\n00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:39,306\n好關懷方案的內容細緻再給我們但我認為相關心理健康的能量可能是不足的還有對於受刑人這個部分我剛說新社人員的專業跟量能也都需要一起加油我剛已經再次強調所有的問題應該都沒有辦法在今天簡單的質詢當中獲得解決後續我們一起努力我們辦公室會再找矯正署開會好謝謝署長謝謝主席謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7096\t9880\t好 謝謝主席 那有請蔣正署 謝謝好 麻煩署長\n15182\t43681\t好 署長早安我們看了你們今天的業務報告內容提出一些問題跟您討論可是我必須要先說我認為我今天提出來的很多問題可能不是很快速的時間可以解決包含剛剛王逸川委員也有問到是薪水的問題嗎是因為大家都只想回家鄉服務嗎還是因為在現場的工作loading真的太重而很多的教育訓練跟保安措施可能沒有跟上所以我今天所有提出來的問題我要再次拜託\n44962\t68456\t找戰術,我們可能需要一些時間來研議,但是我們一起努力往那個部分改進,這樣好不好?好,因為我等一下很多問題,我認為您可能不見得有辦法第一時間回應喔我們來看一下第一個,在過去這一段時間的新聞,其實這是2024到2025,我們只是簡單的摘錄一些新聞可是如果去分析這些新聞的樣態,我們認為它大概可以分幾個部分\n69036\t87935\t第一個是受刑人對管理人或者是受刑人對受刑人或者是管理人對受刑人也就是在你們的工作現場所有矯正機關的第一線它所面臨的樣態其實非常非常的複雜不管是暴力事件不管是霸凌事件可是因為樣態非常非常複雜\n89577\t115578\t我認為你們應該理應對這些不同的樣態就是我剛剛說的管理員對受刑受刑對管理受刑對受刑應該都有不同的應對之道可不可以請署長簡單回應一下關於這些新聞我們就不要個案討論了但是面對這麼複雜的樣態因為事實上在你們今天的報告裡面我們只看到受刑人對管理人的暴力事件你們有相關的數字\n117379\t141389\t統計你們有相關的回應可是其他的樣態其實在你們的業務報告裡面都看不到但我認為那是應該是你們現場所會遇見的難題對不對來請署長回應一下報告委員我們對於比如說管理員有淋漓人患或是是說他縱容視同作業在毆打人患假如有這種情況那\n143670\t170508\t我想這種會引起我們社會的一個疑問甚至於會對於我們矯正的一個整個制度的質疑甚至於會變成對這本人當事人也有行者的問題因此我們要特別注意所謂的外部的監督包括監察院或是地檢署的一些偵辦\n172429\t186576\t那這個部分我想我們要用不袒護 勿往勿重的態度來處理那至於受刑人的部分大部分就是監獄的管理內部的問題\n187737\t206849\t那所以如果有受刑人ODA 受刑人這個部分那我們可能要比如說他的工廠或是他的社房要審慎的配業配房至於是說受刑人跟受刑人之間的ODA我們也會跟他詢問\n208110\t233502\t你被毆打了 你要不要驗傷 要不要提告書如果他要提告書 一樣我們也會依照規定去移送這個地檢署來偵辦好 所以看起來確實是有一些現象在現場發生的嘛 不是沒有所以剛剛署長你才可以回應出這麼多的說法不過看起來 我們來看下一張喔其實不是只有在檢索 我們之前安排的考察\n234202\t260504\t我們認為如果你從新聞來看或者是如果你回到實務現場少角效跟少管所應該也有類似的事情如同剛剛署長您說的我們來看下一張監察院其實在110跟114都分別有提出對於矯正署的監督跟有一些建議希望你們有一些改善包含轉嫌輔導啦霸凌文化啦那我認為這些雖然是針對所謂的少角效\n260984\t282014\t但我們可想而知可能在其他的成人監所也有類似的情況而這個狀況我們往下看這就是我剛跟署長您說的我們來看一下這個我們整理的表格受刑人跟受刑人中間會有霸凌受刑人跟管理員之間會有暴力攻擊事件你剛也舉了一個例子有一個人要去戴戒具戒護的工具結果他被攻擊\n282674\t298472\t或者是管理員對於受刑人可能會有不當的管理跟不當的管教還有管理員跟管理員之間可能因為工作現場讓他們有一些個性上的扭曲跟需要協助的心理因素結果不小心導致外在的行為變成職場霸凌\n300134\t313800\t而這麼多的樣態我認為矯正署在所有第一線的行政配套如同你剛剛說的應該有非常多需要調整跟改進的地方他可能需要錢他可能需要人而我認為這些事情我們一一來討論來第一個\n316161\t336988\t暴力跟攻擊的事件這個是來自於你們的業務報告裡面所說的從109年到113年我們看到統計數字我很好奇112年到113年這中間的轉變為什麼變這麼多從43變成75還有我也很好奇從今年114年目前已經6月中至現在為止1月到5月有相關統計嗎\n340154\t360100\t1到5月今年總共有25件供給事件好 這個是指收容人對對職員 我們管理人員的供給那我很好奇112到113從43變成75件多增加了1.5倍你們有做相關後續的檢討或者是你們只有做統計數字有 我們有做檢討\n361340\t381918\t在委員提到的113年的暴行案件他確實有比較升高大部分就是反社會人格或是有暴力傾向的這些收容人他不服管教不服管理而對職員施暴那麼他的成因跟其他年度大約是相同的\n382691\t399738\t好那如果你都已經找到原因一個是反社會人格再來是暴力傾向那我們在所謂的矯正機關裡面我們除了希望有所謂的矯正行為教化行為之外我們如何去看待這個事情來看下一張第二個相關統計的數字我來看一下\n400738\t428556\t我也很好奇這也是在你們的書面報告裡面你們提到關於人員的部分剛剛益川委員已經問了借戶跟教化這邊的缺額其實真的非常巨量缺700多位而且他可能有借調的問題啊派到不同地方去可是我很好奇你們在有一欄的數字相對沒有那麼清楚就是新設人力跟醫事人力你有寫出原額可是所有的缺額你把它放在一起統計原因是為什麼\n430347\t439039\t是我們在矯正機構裡面是把新社跟醫事視為是同一種人嗎所以你的缺額統計放在一起還是有什麼原因\n439805\t459833\t我們有去瞭解那是欄位的問題沒有區分但是我們後來好像有對於新設人員跟醫事人員做一個區分新設人員的大概1比170醫事人員的比例大概所以新設是1比170\n463518\t481547\t來 更正一下1比186醫事人員比是1比228所以心理社工的人率比醫事人員稍微多一點好 那我問一下缺額呢心社跟醫事的缺額有分別統計嗎因為這完全是不同的專業\n484093\t510791\t我們統計缺額的部分沒有但是我們是針對介入人力比有做統計介入人力比那可是如果你沒有個別缺額的統計你怎麼知道你在後續的應聘上你要招哪些人來考這個考試你需要哪些專業人員來佈足你現場的需求因為我們的介入人員管理人員是考試那我們新設人員是聘用現在叫做約用人員以前是勞務承攬\n514333\t543374\t所以他的禁用管道是不一樣但是在新設人力部分我們也是要感謝人總他有給我們175位的A用人員另外我們也謝謝法務部給我們25位就是說合併的A顧人員對於我們新設的輔導人力有一些幫助才對那醫事呢醫事人員這個部分我們就是\n544946\t558885\t他是只要符合資格就是可以來報名包括比如說醫院有一些護士護理師他知道我們千億有聘護士他也要來報名\n560046\t584979\t那現在剛剛署長你給我的數字我認為有幾個問題可是我一剛開始就說可能我提出來的問題不是您立刻回可以回答第一個雖然他的禁用管道不是一般所謂教保人員的考試他是約用但是我們真的還是要看現場食物所缺的狀況來決定我們要約用哪些人進來對嗎第二個新設跟醫事目前你剛給我的比例是新設是1比186\n586840\t599108\t醫護是1比228在這個數字底下你認為是合格的數字嗎是真的有符合現場的需求嗎還是其實是不夠的只是我們可能因為錢不夠人不夠或是找不到人\n601967\t621651\t當然這個比例上不能說完全足夠因為我們新社人員除了做毒品的輔導還有性侵家暴醫社人員他也是有一些包括病社他們要去做相關的他們的業務\n627093\t641904\t意思就是說 署長我聽懂了意思就是說不管是毒品性侵假報他其實需要心理師、社工師跟醫護人員在不同專業給予一個受刑人協助而這個受刑人的樣態可能又不是只有單一犯罪樣態\n642885\t659017\t所以一個受刑人身上可能要綁著非常多專業人員協助他在受刑被矯正的這段期間他有機會更正他的毒品行為性侵的傾向或者是家暴的傾向我們真的希望有機會在裡面做出矯正然後讓他們復歸社會的時候是可以好好的融入這個社會所以為什麼我會問你相關人員跟缺額我認為一定有匱乏\n667363\t691991\t因為這個數字其實聽起來很驚人1比228跟1比186我認為相關的專業人員的工作量可能loading太重而回到受刑人那一端他們真的需要提出協助的時候可是我們人力也是不夠的所以我想後續這個部分我們再來討論如何協助矯正署在這一塊不管是從受刑人的角度或是從所謂專業人員的角度都各自可以讓那個狀況越來越好後續我們再來討論\n694662\t711294\t感謝人的關心 也請委員多多協助沒問題 這個一定會努力協助來 下一個我們要談受刑人對受刑人一樣有相關數字我們依然好奇受刑人對受刑人的相關霸凌或者是相關的暴力行為我們一樣在你們的業務報告裡面沒有看到統計數字\n712515\t735420\t或者是現行的調查跟後續的處理機制也就是當受刑人對受刑人有暴力行為的時候在機構裡面怎麼處理然後受刑人會受到哪些懲罰嗎不管是你剛剛說的在配方的部分在工作的部分還有他們暴力行為之後我們如何再把矯正的教育的概念放進去又回到我剛前一張投影片說的專業人力的協助\n736980\t756274\t然後到最後我們如何預防所有事情不要再次發生我認為它是一連串的問題所以我剛已經說了不過這邊署長要不要簡單回應一下我們如何看從我剛說的受刑人對受刑人啦管理人對受刑人受刑人對管理人管理人對管理人這中間樣派真的很多\n757660\t772735\t報告委員我們在五月份有針對我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治及處理具體措施我們有這個條文這個法案我們已經從這個\n775918\t800194\t114年的6月1號已經生效而且給我們各四所矯正學校那另外我們之前在各矯正機關有所謂的性侵性騷擾還有所謂的性霸凌以及其他欺凌事件其他欺凌事件其實已經有涵掛到所謂的霸凌這邊啦但是他沒有一個\n801295\t823644\t矯正機關沒有一個具體的那麼具體的說這就霸凌的一個規則但是事實上我們含掛的這個部分都有給我們所屬兼所效來注意該跟地方主管機關通報的我們一定要通報如果有一些隱匿我們甚至會追究機關所長的責任\n824204\t838410\t好 你剛剛講的是繳銷的部分確實在霸凌防制準則從教育部那邊通過之後我們其實就有提醒教育部國教署要積極跟繳證署這邊合作來協助所謂繳繳銷跟關護所的部分可是如同你剛剛說的還有成人的監獄的部分\n839611\t866942\t但因为我列的问题其实我要问的问题是一样的相关统计数字后续的管理跟后续的教育行为跟后续如何确保不再发生而那个样态我刚刚已经分析给您听了我认为我需要你们的相关资料那当然如果现在没有资料需要更多精进讨论我们未来可以一起努力所以最后我简单几个具体要求我刚刚已经跟你讨论了这么多第一个我们刚刚所有需要的资料要拜托矫正署这边协助第二个\n868242\t889234\t矯正機關的暴力行為的防範我剛說那個樣態非常多元以對象來分分成這四種我從影片後續可以給矯正署作為參考也要拜託你們積極努力接下來戒護人力的部分還有相關人員的教育訓練也要持續精進最後一個我也很擔心喔我剛之所以會聽到新設人員跟醫護人員就是\n889734\t917580\t我認為可能是因為薪水的關係可能是因為回家鄉服務的關係但是在監所裡面的管理人員我認為他們的工作心理壓力一定很大我們有沒有適合的心理服務方案去協助這些在監所第一線工作的管理人員我不確定現在有沒有但後續你們可以提供資料給我報告委員我們人事室各機關人事室有所謂員工的關懷的一個方案我們有需要都會透過人事\n918200\t939306\t好關懷方案的內容細緻再給我們但我認為相關心理健康的能量可能是不足的還有對於受刑人這個部分我剛說新社人員的專業跟量能也都需要一起加油我剛已經再次強調所有的問題應該都沒有辦法在今天簡單的質詢當中獲得解決後續我們一起努力我們辦公室會再找矯正署開會好謝謝署長謝謝主席謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 那有請蔣正署 謝謝好 麻煩署長\n好 署長早安我們看了你們今天的業務報告內容提出一些問題跟您討論可是我必須要先說我認為我今天提出來的很多問題可能不是很快速的時間可以解決包含剛剛王逸川委員也有問到是薪水的問題嗎是因為大家都只想回家鄉服務嗎還是因為在現場的工作loading真的太重而很多的教育訓練跟保安措施可能沒有跟上所以我今天所有提出來的問題我要再次拜託\n找戰術,我們可能需要一些時間來研議,但是我們一起努力往那個部分改進,這樣好不好?好,因為我等一下很多問題,我認為您可能不見得有辦法第一時間回應喔我們來看一下第一個,在過去這一段時間的新聞,其實這是2024到2025,我們只是簡單的摘錄一些新聞可是如果去分析這些新聞的樣態,我們認為它大概可以分幾個部分\n第一個是受刑人對管理人或者是受刑人對受刑人或者是管理人對受刑人也就是在你們的工作現場所有矯正機關的第一線它所面臨的樣態其實非常非常的複雜不管是暴力事件不管是霸凌事件可是因為樣態非常非常複雜\n我認為你們應該理應對這些不同的樣態就是我剛剛說的管理員對受刑受刑對管理受刑對受刑應該都有不同的應對之道可不可以請署長簡單回應一下關於這些新聞我們就不要個案討論了但是面對這麼複雜的樣態因為事實上在你們今天的報告裡面我們只看到受刑人對管理人的暴力事件你們有相關的數字\n統計你們有相關的回應可是其他的樣態其實在你們的業務報告裡面都看不到但我認為那是應該是你們現場所會遇見的難題對不對來請署長回應一下報告委員我們對於比如說管理員有淋漓人患或是是說他縱容視同作業在毆打人患假如有這種情況那\n我想這種會引起我們社會的一個疑問甚至於會對於我們矯正的一個整個制度的質疑甚至於會變成對這本人當事人也有行者的問題因此我們要特別注意所謂的外部的監督包括監察院或是地檢署的一些偵辦\n那這個部分我想我們要用不袒護 勿往勿重的態度來處理那至於受刑人的部分大部分就是監獄的管理內部的問題\n那所以如果有受刑人ODA 受刑人這個部分那我們可能要比如說他的工廠或是他的社房要審慎的配業配房至於是說受刑人跟受刑人之間的ODA我們也會跟他詢問\n你被毆打了 你要不要驗傷 要不要提告書如果他要提告書 一樣我們也會依照規定去移送這個地檢署來偵辦好 所以看起來確實是有一些現象在現場發生的嘛 不是沒有所以剛剛署長你才可以回應出這麼多的說法不過看起來 我們來看下一張喔其實不是只有在檢索 我們之前安排的考察\n我們認為如果你從新聞來看或者是如果你回到實務現場少角效跟少管所應該也有類似的事情如同剛剛署長您說的我們來看下一張監察院其實在110跟114都分別有提出對於矯正署的監督跟有一些建議希望你們有一些改善包含轉嫌輔導啦霸凌文化啦那我認為這些雖然是針對所謂的少角效\n但我們可想而知可能在其他的成人監所也有類似的情況而這個狀況我們往下看這就是我剛跟署長您說的我們來看一下這個我們整理的表格受刑人跟受刑人中間會有霸凌受刑人跟管理員之間會有暴力攻擊事件你剛也舉了一個例子有一個人要去戴戒具戒護的工具結果他被攻擊\n或者是管理員對於受刑人可能會有不當的管理跟不當的管教還有管理員跟管理員之間可能因為工作現場讓他們有一些個性上的扭曲跟需要協助的心理因素結果不小心導致外在的行為變成職場霸凌\n而這麼多的樣態我認為矯正署在所有第一線的行政配套如同你剛剛說的應該有非常多需要調整跟改進的地方他可能需要錢他可能需要人而我認為這些事情我們一一來討論來第一個\n暴力跟攻擊的事件這個是來自於你們的業務報告裡面所說的從109年到113年我們看到統計數字我很好奇112年到113年這中間的轉變為什麼變這麼多從43變成75還有我也很好奇從今年114年目前已經6月中至現在為止1月到5月有相關統計嗎\n1到5月今年總共有25件供給事件好 這個是指收容人對對職員 我們管理人員的供給那我很好奇112到113從43變成75件多增加了1.5倍你們有做相關後續的檢討或者是你們只有做統計數字有 我們有做檢討\n在委員提到的113年的暴行案件他確實有比較升高大部分就是反社會人格或是有暴力傾向的這些收容人他不服管教不服管理而對職員施暴那麼他的成因跟其他年度大約是相同的\n好那如果你都已經找到原因一個是反社會人格再來是暴力傾向那我們在所謂的矯正機關裡面我們除了希望有所謂的矯正行為教化行為之外我們如何去看待這個事情來看下一張第二個相關統計的數字我來看一下\n我也很好奇這也是在你們的書面報告裡面你們提到關於人員的部分剛剛益川委員已經問了借戶跟教化這邊的缺額其實真的非常巨量缺700多位而且他可能有借調的問題啊派到不同地方去可是我很好奇你們在有一欄的數字相對沒有那麼清楚就是新設人力跟醫事人力你有寫出原額可是所有的缺額你把它放在一起統計原因是為什麼\n是我們在矯正機構裡面是把新社跟醫事視為是同一種人嗎所以你的缺額統計放在一起還是有什麼原因\n我們有去瞭解那是欄位的問題沒有區分但是我們後來好像有對於新設人員跟醫事人員做一個區分新設人員的大概1比170醫事人員的比例大概所以新設是1比170\n來 更正一下1比186醫事人員比是1比228所以心理社工的人率比醫事人員稍微多一點好 那我問一下缺額呢心社跟醫事的缺額有分別統計嗎因為這完全是不同的專業\n我們統計缺額的部分沒有但是我們是針對介入人力比有做統計介入人力比那可是如果你沒有個別缺額的統計你怎麼知道你在後續的應聘上你要招哪些人來考這個考試你需要哪些專業人員來佈足你現場的需求因為我們的介入人員管理人員是考試那我們新設人員是聘用現在叫做約用人員以前是勞務承攬\n所以他的禁用管道是不一樣但是在新設人力部分我們也是要感謝人總他有給我們175位的A用人員另外我們也謝謝法務部給我們25位就是說合併的A顧人員對於我們新設的輔導人力有一些幫助才對那醫事呢醫事人員這個部分我們就是\n他是只要符合資格就是可以來報名包括比如說醫院有一些護士護理師他知道我們千億有聘護士他也要來報名\n那現在剛剛署長你給我的數字我認為有幾個問題可是我一剛開始就說可能我提出來的問題不是您立刻回可以回答第一個雖然他的禁用管道不是一般所謂教保人員的考試他是約用但是我們真的還是要看現場食物所缺的狀況來決定我們要約用哪些人進來對嗎第二個新設跟醫事目前你剛給我的比例是新設是1比186\n醫護是1比228在這個數字底下你認為是合格的數字嗎是真的有符合現場的需求嗎還是其實是不夠的只是我們可能因為錢不夠人不夠或是找不到人\n當然這個比例上不能說完全足夠因為我們新社人員除了做毒品的輔導還有性侵家暴醫社人員他也是有一些包括病社他們要去做相關的他們的業務\n意思就是說 署長我聽懂了意思就是說不管是毒品性侵假報他其實需要心理師、社工師跟醫護人員在不同專業給予一個受刑人協助而這個受刑人的樣態可能又不是只有單一犯罪樣態\n所以一個受刑人身上可能要綁著非常多專業人員協助他在受刑被矯正的這段期間他有機會更正他的毒品行為性侵的傾向或者是家暴的傾向我們真的希望有機會在裡面做出矯正然後讓他們復歸社會的時候是可以好好的融入這個社會所以為什麼我會問你相關人員跟缺額我認為一定有匱乏\n因為這個數字其實聽起來很驚人1比228跟1比186我認為相關的專業人員的工作量可能loading太重而回到受刑人那一端他們真的需要提出協助的時候可是我們人力也是不夠的所以我想後續這個部分我們再來討論如何協助矯正署在這一塊不管是從受刑人的角度或是從所謂專業人員的角度都各自可以讓那個狀況越來越好後續我們再來討論\n感謝人的關心 也請委員多多協助沒問題 這個一定會努力協助來 下一個我們要談受刑人對受刑人一樣有相關數字我們依然好奇受刑人對受刑人的相關霸凌或者是相關的暴力行為我們一樣在你們的業務報告裡面沒有看到統計數字\n或者是現行的調查跟後續的處理機制也就是當受刑人對受刑人有暴力行為的時候在機構裡面怎麼處理然後受刑人會受到哪些懲罰嗎不管是你剛剛說的在配方的部分在工作的部分還有他們暴力行為之後我們如何再把矯正的教育的概念放進去又回到我剛前一張投影片說的專業人力的協助\n然後到最後我們如何預防所有事情不要再次發生我認為它是一連串的問題所以我剛已經說了不過這邊署長要不要簡單回應一下我們如何看從我剛說的受刑人對受刑人啦管理人對受刑人受刑人對管理人管理人對管理人這中間樣派真的很多\n報告委員我們在五月份有針對我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治及處理具體措施我們有這個條文這個法案我們已經從這個\n114年的6月1號已經生效而且給我們各四所矯正學校那另外我們之前在各矯正機關有所謂的性侵性騷擾還有所謂的性霸凌以及其他欺凌事件其他欺凌事件其實已經有涵掛到所謂的霸凌這邊啦但是他沒有一個\n矯正機關沒有一個具體的那麼具體的說這就霸凌的一個規則但是事實上我們含掛的這個部分都有給我們所屬兼所效來注意該跟地方主管機關通報的我們一定要通報如果有一些隱匿我們甚至會追究機關所長的責任\n好 你剛剛講的是繳銷的部分確實在霸凌防制準則從教育部那邊通過之後我們其實就有提醒教育部國教署要積極跟繳證署這邊合作來協助所謂繳繳銷跟關護所的部分可是如同你剛剛說的還有成人的監獄的部分\n但因为我列的问题其实我要问的问题是一样的相关统计数字后续的管理跟后续的教育行为跟后续如何确保不再发生而那个样态我刚刚已经分析给您听了我认为我需要你们的相关资料那当然如果现在没有资料需要更多精进讨论我们未来可以一起努力所以最后我简单几个具体要求我刚刚已经跟你讨论了这么多第一个我们刚刚所有需要的资料要拜托矫正署这边协助第二个\n矯正機關的暴力行為的防範我剛說那個樣態非常多元以對象來分分成這四種我從影片後續可以給矯正署作為參考也要拜託你們積極努力接下來戒護人力的部分還有相關人員的教育訓練也要持續精進最後一個我也很擔心喔我剛之所以會聽到新設人員跟醫護人員就是\n我認為可能是因為薪水的關係可能是因為回家鄉服務的關係但是在監所裡面的管理人員我認為他們的工作心理壓力一定很大我們有沒有適合的心理服務方案去協助這些在監所第一線工作的管理人員我不確定現在有沒有但後續你們可以提供資料給我報告委員我們人事室各機關人事室有所謂員工的關懷的一個方案我們有需要都會透過人事\n好關懷方案的內容細緻再給我們但我認為相關心理健康的能量可能是不足的還有對於受刑人這個部分我剛說新社人員的專業跟量能也都需要一起加油我剛已經再次強調所有的問題應該都沒有辦法在今天簡單的質詢當中獲得解決後續我們一起努力我們辦公室會再找矯正署開會好謝謝署長謝謝主席謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.096 --> 00:09.880\n好謝謝主席那有請蔣正署謝謝好麻煩署長\n\n00:15.182 --> 00:43.681\n好署長早安我們看了你們今天的業務報告內容提出一些問題跟您討論可是我必須要先說我認為我今天提出來的很多問題可能不是很快速的時間可以解決包含剛剛王逸川委員也有問到是薪水的問題嗎是因為大家都只想回家鄉服務嗎還是因為在現場的工作loading真的太重而很多的教育訓練跟保安措施可能沒有跟上所以我今天所有提出來的問題我要再次拜託\n\n00:44.962 --> 01:08.456\n找戰術,我們可能需要一些時間來研議,但是我們一起努力往那個部分改進,這樣好不好?好,因為我等一下很多問題,我認為您可能不見得有辦法第一時間回應喔我們來看一下第一個,在過去這一段時間的新聞,其實這是2024到2025,我們只是簡單的摘錄一些新聞可是如果去分析這些新聞的樣態,我們認為它大概可以分幾個部分\n\n01:09.036 --> 01:27.935\n第一個是受刑人對管理人或者是受刑人對受刑人或者是管理人對受刑人也就是在你們的工作現場所有矯正機關的第一線它所面臨的樣態其實非常非常的複雜不管是暴力事件不管是霸凌事件可是因為樣態非常非常複雜\n\n01:29.577 --> 01:55.578\n我認為你們應該理應對這些不同的樣態就是我剛剛說的管理員對受刑受刑對管理受刑對受刑應該都有不同的應對之道可不可以請署長簡單回應一下關於這些新聞我們就不要個案討論了但是面對這麼複雜的樣態因為事實上在你們今天的報告裡面我們只看到受刑人對管理人的暴力事件你們有相關的數字\n\n01:57.379 --> 02:21.389\n統計你們有相關的回應可是其他的樣態其實在你們的業務報告裡面都看不到但我認為那是應該是你們現場所會遇見的難題對不對來請署長回應一下報告委員我們對於比如說管理員有淋漓人患或是是說他縱容視同作業在毆打人患假如有這種情況那\n\n02:23.670 --> 02:50.508\n我想這種會引起我們社會的一個疑問甚至於會對於我們矯正的一個整個制度的質疑甚至於會變成對這本人當事人也有行者的問題因此我們要特別注意所謂的外部的監督包括監察院或是地檢署的一些偵辦\n\n02:52.429 --> 03:06.576\n那這個部分我想我們要用不袒護勿往勿重的態度來處理那至於受刑人的部分大部分就是監獄的管理內部的問題\n\n03:07.737 --> 03:26.849\n那所以如果有受刑人ODA受刑人這個部分那我們可能要比如說他的工廠或是他的社房要審慎的配業配房至於是說受刑人跟受刑人之間的ODA我們也會跟他詢問\n\n03:28.110 --> 03:53.502\n你被毆打了你要不要驗傷要不要提告書如果他要提告書一樣我們也會依照規定去移送這個地檢署來偵辦好所以看起來確實是有一些現象在現場發生的嘛不是沒有所以剛剛署長你才可以回應出這麼多的說法不過看起來我們來看下一張喔其實不是只有在檢索我們之前安排的考察\n\n03:54.202 --> 04:20.504\n我們認為如果你從新聞來看或者是如果你回到實務現場少角效跟少管所應該也有類似的事情如同剛剛署長您說的我們來看下一張監察院其實在110跟114都分別有提出對於矯正署的監督跟有一些建議希望你們有一些改善包含轉嫌輔導啦霸凌文化啦那我認為這些雖然是針對所謂的少角效\n\n04:20.984 --> 04:42.014\n但我們可想而知可能在其他的成人監所也有類似的情況而這個狀況我們往下看這就是我剛跟署長您說的我們來看一下這個我們整理的表格受刑人跟受刑人中間會有霸凌受刑人跟管理員之間會有暴力攻擊事件你剛也舉了一個例子有一個人要去戴戒具戒護的工具結果他被攻擊\n\n04:42.674 --> 04:58.472\n或者是管理員對於受刑人可能會有不當的管理跟不當的管教還有管理員跟管理員之間可能因為工作現場讓他們有一些個性上的扭曲跟需要協助的心理因素結果不小心導致外在的行為變成職場霸凌\n\n05:00.134 --> 05:13.800\n而這麼多的樣態我認為矯正署在所有第一線的行政配套如同你剛剛說的應該有非常多需要調整跟改進的地方他可能需要錢他可能需要人而我認為這些事情我們一一來討論來第一個\n\n05:16.161 --> 05:36.988\n暴力跟攻擊的事件這個是來自於你們的業務報告裡面所說的從109年到113年我們看到統計數字我很好奇112年到113年這中間的轉變為什麼變這麼多從43變成75還有我也很好奇從今年114年目前已經6月中至現在為止1月到5月有相關統計嗎\n\n05:40.154 --> 06:00.100\n1到5月今年總共有25件供給事件好這個是指收容人對對職員我們管理人員的供給那我很好奇112到113從43變成75件多增加了1.5倍你們有做相關後續的檢討或者是你們只有做統計數字有我們有做檢討\n\n06:01.340 --> 06:21.918\n在委員提到的113年的暴行案件他確實有比較升高大部分就是反社會人格或是有暴力傾向的這些收容人他不服管教不服管理而對職員施暴那麼他的成因跟其他年度大約是相同的\n\n06:22.691 --> 06:39.738\n好那如果你都已經找到原因一個是反社會人格再來是暴力傾向那我們在所謂的矯正機關裡面我們除了希望有所謂的矯正行為教化行為之外我們如何去看待這個事情來看下一張第二個相關統計的數字我來看一下\n\n06:40.738 --> 07:08.556\n我也很好奇這也是在你們的書面報告裡面你們提到關於人員的部分剛剛益川委員已經問了借戶跟教化這邊的缺額其實真的非常巨量缺700多位而且他可能有借調的問題啊派到不同地方去可是我很好奇你們在有一欄的數字相對沒有那麼清楚就是新設人力跟醫事人力你有寫出原額可是所有的缺額你把它放在一起統計原因是為什麼\n\n07:10.347 --> 07:19.039\n是我們在矯正機構裡面是把新社跟醫事視為是同一種人嗎所以你的缺額統計放在一起還是有什麼原因\n\n07:19.805 --> 07:39.833\n我們有去瞭解那是欄位的問題沒有區分但是我們後來好像有對於新設人員跟醫事人員做一個區分新設人員的大概1比170醫事人員的比例大概所以新設是1比170\n\n07:43.518 --> 08:01.547\n來更正一下1比186醫事人員比是1比228所以心理社工的人率比醫事人員稍微多一點好那我問一下缺額呢心社跟醫事的缺額有分別統計嗎因為這完全是不同的專業\n\n08:04.093 --> 08:30.791\n我們統計缺額的部分沒有但是我們是針對介入人力比有做統計介入人力比那可是如果你沒有個別缺額的統計你怎麼知道你在後續的應聘上你要招哪些人來考這個考試你需要哪些專業人員來佈足你現場的需求因為我們的介入人員管理人員是考試那我們新設人員是聘用現在叫做約用人員以前是勞務承攬\n\n08:34.333 --> 09:03.374\n所以他的禁用管道是不一樣但是在新設人力部分我們也是要感謝人總他有給我們175位的A用人員另外我們也謝謝法務部給我們25位就是說合併的A顧人員對於我們新設的輔導人力有一些幫助才對那醫事呢醫事人員這個部分我們就是\n\n09:04.946 --> 09:18.885\n他是只要符合資格就是可以來報名包括比如說醫院有一些護士護理師他知道我們千億有聘護士他也要來報名\n\n09:20.046 --> 09:44.979\n那現在剛剛署長你給我的數字我認為有幾個問題可是我一剛開始就說可能我提出來的問題不是您立刻回可以回答第一個雖然他的禁用管道不是一般所謂教保人員的考試他是約用但是我們真的還是要看現場食物所缺的狀況來決定我們要約用哪些人進來對嗎第二個新設跟醫事目前你剛給我的比例是新設是1比186\n\n09:46.840 --> 09:59.108\n醫護是1比228在這個數字底下你認為是合格的數字嗎是真的有符合現場的需求嗎還是其實是不夠的只是我們可能因為錢不夠人不夠或是找不到人\n\n10:01.967 --> 10:21.651\n當然這個比例上不能說完全足夠因為我們新社人員除了做毒品的輔導還有性侵家暴醫社人員他也是有一些包括病社他們要去做相關的他們的業務\n\n10:27.093 --> 10:41.904\n意思就是說署長我聽懂了意思就是說不管是毒品性侵假報他其實需要心理師、社工師跟醫護人員在不同專業給予一個受刑人協助而這個受刑人的樣態可能又不是只有單一犯罪樣態\n\n10:42.885 --> 10:59.017\n所以一個受刑人身上可能要綁著非常多專業人員協助他在受刑被矯正的這段期間他有機會更正他的毒品行為性侵的傾向或者是家暴的傾向我們真的希望有機會在裡面做出矯正然後讓他們復歸社會的時候是可以好好的融入這個社會所以為什麼我會問你相關人員跟缺額我認為一定有匱乏\n\n11:07.363 --> 11:31.991\n因為這個數字其實聽起來很驚人1比228跟1比186我認為相關的專業人員的工作量可能loading太重而回到受刑人那一端他們真的需要提出協助的時候可是我們人力也是不夠的所以我想後續這個部分我們再來討論如何協助矯正署在這一塊不管是從受刑人的角度或是從所謂專業人員的角度都各自可以讓那個狀況越來越好後續我們再來討論\n\n11:34.662 --> 11:51.294\n感謝人的關心也請委員多多協助沒問題這個一定會努力協助來下一個我們要談受刑人對受刑人一樣有相關數字我們依然好奇受刑人對受刑人的相關霸凌或者是相關的暴力行為我們一樣在你們的業務報告裡面沒有看到統計數字\n\n11:52.515 --> 12:15.420\n或者是現行的調查跟後續的處理機制也就是當受刑人對受刑人有暴力行為的時候在機構裡面怎麼處理然後受刑人會受到哪些懲罰嗎不管是你剛剛說的在配方的部分在工作的部分還有他們暴力行為之後我們如何再把矯正的教育的概念放進去又回到我剛前一張投影片說的專業人力的協助\n\n12:16.980 --> 12:36.274\n然後到最後我們如何預防所有事情不要再次發生我認為它是一連串的問題所以我剛已經說了不過這邊署長要不要簡單回應一下我們如何看從我剛說的受刑人對受刑人啦管理人對受刑人受刑人對管理人管理人對管理人這中間樣派真的很多\n\n12:37.660 --> 12:52.735\n報告委員我們在五月份有針對我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治及處理具體措施我們有這個條文這個法案我們已經從這個\n\n12:55.918 --> 13:20.194\n114年的6月1號已經生效而且給我們各四所矯正學校那另外我們之前在各矯正機關有所謂的性侵性騷擾還有所謂的性霸凌以及其他欺凌事件其他欺凌事件其實已經有涵掛到所謂的霸凌這邊啦但是他沒有一個\n\n13:21.295 --> 13:43.644\n矯正機關沒有一個具體的那麼具體的說這就霸凌的一個規則但是事實上我們含掛的這個部分都有給我們所屬兼所效來注意該跟地方主管機關通報的我們一定要通報如果有一些隱匿我們甚至會追究機關所長的責任\n\n13:44.204 --> 13:58.410\n好你剛剛講的是繳銷的部分確實在霸凌防制準則從教育部那邊通過之後我們其實就有提醒教育部國教署要積極跟繳證署這邊合作來協助所謂繳繳銷跟關護所的部分可是如同你剛剛說的還有成人的監獄的部分\n\n13:59.611 --> 14:26.942\n但因为我列的问题其实我要问的问题是一样的相关统计数字后续的管理跟后续的教育行为跟后续如何确保不再发生而那个样态我刚刚已经分析给您听了我认为我需要你们的相关资料那当然如果现在没有资料需要更多精进讨论我们未来可以一起努力所以最后我简单几个具体要求我刚刚已经跟你讨论了这么多第一个我们刚刚所有需要的资料要拜托矫正署这边协助第二个\n\n14:28.242 --> 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署長早安我們看了你們今天的業務報告內容提出一些問題跟您討論可是我必須要先說我認為我今天提出來的很多問題可能不是很快速的時間可以解決包含剛剛王逸川委員也有問到是薪水的問題嗎是因為大家都只想回家鄉服務嗎還是因為在現場的工作loading真的太重而很多的教育訓練跟保安措施可能沒有跟上所以我今天所有提出來的問題我要再次拜託"},{"start":44.962,"end":68.456,"text":"找戰術,我們可能需要一些時間來研議,但是我們一起努力往那個部分改進,這樣好不好?好,因為我等一下很多問題,我認為您可能不見得有辦法第一時間回應喔我們來看一下第一個,在過去這一段時間的新聞,其實這是2024到2025,我們只是簡單的摘錄一些新聞可是如果去分析這些新聞的樣態,我們認為它大概可以分幾個部分"},{"start":69.036,"end":87.935,"text":"第一個是受刑人對管理人或者是受刑人對受刑人或者是管理人對受刑人也就是在你們的工作現場所有矯正機關的第一線它所面臨的樣態其實非常非常的複雜不管是暴力事件不管是霸凌事件可是因為樣態非常非常複雜"},{"start":89.577,"end":115.578,"text":"我認為你們應該理應對這些不同的樣態就是我剛剛說的管理員對受刑受刑對管理受刑對受刑應該都有不同的應對之道可不可以請署長簡單回應一下關於這些新聞我們就不要個案討論了但是面對這麼複雜的樣態因為事實上在你們今天的報告裡面我們只看到受刑人對管理人的暴力事件你們有相關的數字"},{"start":117.379,"end":141.389,"text":"統計你們有相關的回應可是其他的樣態其實在你們的業務報告裡面都看不到但我認為那是應該是你們現場所會遇見的難題對不對來請署長回應一下報告委員我們對於比如說管理員有淋漓人患或是是說他縱容視同作業在毆打人患假如有這種情況那"},{"start":143.67,"end":170.508,"text":"我想這種會引起我們社會的一個疑問甚至於會對於我們矯正的一個整個制度的質疑甚至於會變成對這本人當事人也有行者的問題因此我們要特別注意所謂的外部的監督包括監察院或是地檢署的一些偵辦"},{"start":172.429,"end":186.576,"text":"那這個部分我想我們要用不袒護 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那我問一下缺額呢心社跟醫事的缺額有分別統計嗎因為這完全是不同的專業"},{"start":484.093,"end":510.791,"text":"我們統計缺額的部分沒有但是我們是針對介入人力比有做統計介入人力比那可是如果你沒有個別缺額的統計你怎麼知道你在後續的應聘上你要招哪些人來考這個考試你需要哪些專業人員來佈足你現場的需求因為我們的介入人員管理人員是考試那我們新設人員是聘用現在叫做約用人員以前是勞務承攬"},{"start":514.333,"end":543.374,"text":"所以他的禁用管道是不一樣但是在新設人力部分我們也是要感謝人總他有給我們175位的A用人員另外我們也謝謝法務部給我們25位就是說合併的A顧人員對於我們新設的輔導人力有一些幫助才對那醫事呢醫事人員這個部分我們就是"},{"start":544.946,"end":558.885,"text":"他是只要符合資格就是可以來報名包括比如說醫院有一些護士護理師他知道我們千億有聘護士他也要來報名"},{"start":560.046,"end":584.979,"text":"那現在剛剛署長你給我的數字我認為有幾個問題可是我一剛開始就說可能我提出來的問題不是您立刻回可以回答第一個雖然他的禁用管道不是一般所謂教保人員的考試他是約用但是我們真的還是要看現場食物所缺的狀況來決定我們要約用哪些人進來對嗎第二個新設跟醫事目前你剛給我的比例是新設是1比186"},{"start":586.84,"end":599.108,"text":"醫護是1比228在這個數字底下你認為是合格的數字嗎是真的有符合現場的需求嗎還是其實是不夠的只是我們可能因為錢不夠人不夠或是找不到人"},{"start":601.967,"end":621.651,"text":"當然這個比例上不能說完全足夠因為我們新社人員除了做毒品的輔導還有性侵家暴醫社人員他也是有一些包括病社他們要去做相關的他們的業務"},{"start":627.093,"end":641.904,"text":"意思就是說 署長我聽懂了意思就是說不管是毒品性侵假報他其實需要心理師、社工師跟醫護人員在不同專業給予一個受刑人協助而這個受刑人的樣態可能又不是只有單一犯罪樣態"},{"start":642.885,"end":659.017,"text":"所以一個受刑人身上可能要綁著非常多專業人員協助他在受刑被矯正的這段期間他有機會更正他的毒品行為性侵的傾向或者是家暴的傾向我們真的希望有機會在裡面做出矯正然後讓他們復歸社會的時候是可以好好的融入這個社會所以為什麼我會問你相關人員跟缺額我認為一定有匱乏"},{"start":667.363,"end":691.991,"text":"因為這個數字其實聽起來很驚人1比228跟1比186我認為相關的專業人員的工作量可能loading太重而回到受刑人那一端他們真的需要提出協助的時候可是我們人力也是不夠的所以我想後續這個部分我們再來討論如何協助矯正署在這一塊不管是從受刑人的角度或是從所謂專業人員的角度都各自可以讓那個狀況越來越好後續我們再來討論"},{"start":694.662,"end":711.294,"text":"感謝人的關心 也請委員多多協助沒問題 這個一定會努力協助來 下一個我們要談受刑人對受刑人一樣有相關數字我們依然好奇受刑人對受刑人的相關霸凌或者是相關的暴力行為我們一樣在你們的業務報告裡面沒有看到統計數字"},{"start":712.515,"end":735.42,"text":"或者是現行的調查跟後續的處理機制也就是當受刑人對受刑人有暴力行為的時候在機構裡面怎麼處理然後受刑人會受到哪些懲罰嗎不管是你剛剛說的在配方的部分在工作的部分還有他們暴力行為之後我們如何再把矯正的教育的概念放進去又回到我剛前一張投影片說的專業人力的協助"},{"start":736.98,"end":756.274,"text":"然後到最後我們如何預防所有事情不要再次發生我認為它是一連串的問題所以我剛已經說了不過這邊署長要不要簡單回應一下我們如何看從我剛說的受刑人對受刑人啦管理人對受刑人受刑人對管理人管理人對管理人這中間樣派真的很多"},{"start":757.66,"end":772.735,"text":"報告委員我們在五月份有針對我們少年矯正學校霸凌防治及處理具體措施我們有這個條文這個法案我們已經從這個"},{"start":775.918,"end":800.194,"text":"114年的6月1號已經生效而且給我們各四所矯正學校那另外我們之前在各矯正機關有所謂的性侵性騷擾還有所謂的性霸凌以及其他欺凌事件其他欺凌事件其實已經有涵掛到所謂的霸凌這邊啦但是他沒有一個"},{"start":801.295,"end":823.644,"text":"矯正機關沒有一個具體的那麼具體的說這就霸凌的一個規則但是事實上我們含掛的這個部分都有給我們所屬兼所效來注意該跟地方主管機關通報的我們一定要通報如果有一些隱匿我們甚至會追究機關所長的責任"},{"start":824.204,"end":838.41,"text":"好 你剛剛講的是繳銷的部分確實在霸凌防制準則從教育部那邊通過之後我們其實就有提醒教育部國教署要積極跟繳證署這邊合作來協助所謂繳繳銷跟關護所的部分可是如同你剛剛說的還有成人的監獄的部分"},{"start":839.611,"end":866.942,"text":"但因为我列的问题其实我要问的问题是一样的相关统计数字后续的管理跟后续的教育行为跟后续如何确保不再发生而那个样态我刚刚已经分析给您听了我认为我需要你们的相关资料那当然如果现在没有资料需要更多精进讨论我们未来可以一起努力所以最后我简单几个具体要求我刚刚已经跟你讨论了这么多第一个我们刚刚所有需要的资料要拜托矫正署这边协助第二个"},{"start":868.242,"end":889.234,"text":"矯正機關的暴力行為的防範我剛說那個樣態非常多元以對象來分分成這四種我從影片後續可以給矯正署作為參考也要拜託你們積極努力接下來戒護人力的部分還有相關人員的教育訓練也要持續精進最後一個我也很擔心喔我剛之所以會聽到新設人員跟醫護人員就是"},{"start":889.734,"end":917.58,"text":"我認為可能是因為薪水的關係可能是因為回家鄉服務的關係但是在監所裡面的管理人員我認為他們的工作心理壓力一定很大我們有沒有適合的心理服務方案去協助這些在監所第一線工作的管理人員我不確定現在有沒有但後續你們可以提供資料給我報告委員我們人事室各機關人事室有所謂員工的關懷的一個方案我們有需要都會透過人事"},{"start":918.2,"end":939.306,"text":"好關懷方案的內容細緻再給我們但我認為相關心理健康的能量可能是不足的還有對於受刑人這個部分我剛說新社人員的專業跟量能也都需要一起加油我剛已經再次強調所有的問題應該都沒有辦法在今天簡單的質詢當中獲得解決後續我們一起努力我們辦公室會再找矯正署開會好謝謝署長謝謝主席謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":499,"blocks":[["陳委員培瑜：（9時45分）謝謝主席，有請矯正署。"],["主席：麻煩署長。"],["周署長輝煌：委員好。"],["陳委員培瑜：署長早安。我們看了你們今天的業務報告內容，提出一些問題跟您討論，可是我必須要先說，我認為我今天提出來的很多問題，可能不是很快速地短時間內可以解決，包含剛剛王義川委員也有問到，是薪水的問題嗎？是因為大家都只想回家鄉服務嗎？還是因為在現場的工作loading真的太重，而很多的教育訓練跟保安措施可能沒有跟上？所以我今天所有提出來的問題，我要再次拜託矯正署，我們可能需要一些時間研議，但是我們一起努力往那個部分改進。"],["周署長輝煌：好。"],["陳委員培瑜：這樣好不好？好，因為我等一下有很多問題，我認為您可能不見得有辦法第一時間回應。","第一個，過去這一段時間的新聞，這是2024到2025年，我們只是簡單摘錄一些新聞，可是如果去分析這些新聞的樣態，我們認為大概可以分幾個部分，首先是受刑人對管理員，或者是受刑人對受刑人、管理員對受刑人，也就是在你們的工作現場、所有矯正機關的第一線，其所面臨的樣態其實非常非常地複雜，包括暴力事件、霸凌事件。可是因為樣態非常非常複雜，我認為你們理應對這些不同的樣態，就是我剛剛說的管理員對受刑人、受刑人對管理員、受刑人對受刑人，應該都有不同的應對之道。可不可以請署長簡單回應一下？關於這些新聞，我們就不要個案討論了。面對這麼複雜的樣態，事實上在你們今天的報告裡面，我們只看到受刑人對管理員的暴力事件，你們有相關的數字統計、你們有相關的回應，可是其他的樣態其實在你們的業務報告裡面都看不到。但我認為，那應該是你們現場會遇見的難題，對不對？請署長回應一下。"],["周署長輝煌：報告委員，比如管理員有凌虐人犯，或是他縱容視同作業者毆打人犯，假如有這種情況，我想這種會引起社會的一個疑問，會對我們矯正的整個制度質疑，甚至會變成本人、當事人也有刑責的問題。因此我們要特別注意，所謂的外部監督，包括監察院或是地檢署的一些偵辦，這個部分我想我們要用不袒護、勿枉勿縱的態度處理。至於受刑人的部分，大部分就是監獄管理的內部問題，所以如果有受刑人毆打受刑人這個部分，可能就是比如他的工場或是他的舍房要審慎地配業、配房。受刑人跟受刑人之間的毆打，我們也會跟他詢問：你被毆打了，你要不要驗傷、要不要提告訴？如果他要提告訴，一樣地我們也會依照規定移送地檢署偵辦。"],["陳委員培瑜：看起來確實是有一些現象在現場發生，不是沒有，所以剛剛署長才可以回應出這麼多的說法。不過其實不是只有在監所，我們之前安排了考察，我們認為，如果你從新聞來看，或者是如果你回到實務現場，少矯校跟少觀所應該也有類似的事情，如同剛剛署長說的。","監察院其實在110跟114年都有分別提出，對於矯正署的監督以及有一些建議，希望你們有一些改善，包含轉銜輔導、霸凌文化。我認為這些雖然是針對所謂的少矯校，但可想而知可能在其他的成人監所也有類似的情況。而這個狀況就是我剛剛跟署長說的，看一下我們整理的這個表格，受刑人跟受刑人中間會有霸凌；受刑人跟管理員之間會有暴力、攻擊事件，你剛剛也舉了一個例子，有一個人要去戴介護的工具，結果還被攻擊。或者是管理員對於受刑人可能會有不當管理、不當管教；還有管理員跟管理員之間，可能由於工作現場讓他們有一些個性上的扭曲跟需要協助的心理因素，結果不小心導致外在的行為變成職場霸凌。這麼多的樣態，我認為矯正署在所有第一線的行政配套，如同你剛剛說的，應該有非常多需要調整跟改進的地方，可能需要錢，或可能需要人。","而我認為，這些事情我們一一來討論，第一個，暴力、攻擊事件，這個是來自於你們的業務報告裡面所說的，從109年到113年，我們看到統計數字，我很好奇，112年到113年這中間的轉變為什麼這麼多，從43變成75件？還有我也很好奇，自今（114）年，目前已經是6月，到現在為止，1月到5月有相關統計嗎？"],["周署長輝煌：1到5月，今年總共有25件攻擊事件。"],["陳委員培瑜：這個是指收容人對管理員……"],["周署長輝煌：對職員、我們管理人員的攻擊。"],["陳委員培瑜：25件，好。那我很好奇，112到113年從43變成75件，增加了1.5倍，你們有做相關的後續檢討，或者是你們只有統計數字？"],["周署長輝煌：有，我們有檢討。"],["陳委員培瑜：可以說明一下嗎？"],["周署長輝煌：委員提到113年的暴行案件，確實有比較升高，大部分就是反社會人格或是有暴力傾向的這些收容人，他不服管教、不服管理而對職員施暴，其成因跟其他年度大約是相同的。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，如果你都已經找到原因，一個是反社會人格，再來是暴力傾向，那在矯正機關裡面，除了希望有所謂的矯正行為、教化行為以外，我們如何去看待這個事情？第二個，相關統計的數字，這也是在你們的書面報告裡面提到關於人員的部分，剛剛義川委員已經問了，戒護跟教化這邊的缺額其實真的非常巨量，缺七百多位，而且可能有借調的問題，派到不同地方去。可是我很好奇，你們有一欄的數字相對沒有那麼清楚，就是心社人力跟醫事人力，你有寫出員額，可是所有的缺額你把它放在一起統計，原因是什麼？是我們在矯正機構裡面，把心社跟醫事視為同一種人嗎？所以你的缺額統計放在一起。還是有什麼原因？"],["周署長輝煌：我們有去瞭解，那是欄位的問題，沒有區分，但是我們……"],["陳委員培瑜：所以具體的數字應該是什麼？"],["周署長輝煌：後來好像有對於心社人員跟醫事人員做一個區分，心社人員大概1：170；醫事人員的比例大概跟……"],["陳委員培瑜：就是心社是1：170。"],["周署長輝煌：更正一下，1：186；醫事人員比是1：228，所以心理社工的人力比醫事人員稍微多一點。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，那我問一下缺額呢？心社跟醫事的缺額有分別統計嗎？因為這完全是不同的專業。"],["周署長輝煌：我們統計……"],["陳委員培瑜：缺額的部分。"],["周署長輝煌：沒有……"],["陳委員培瑜：沒有？"],["周署長輝煌：但我們針對戒護人力比有做統計。"],["陳委員培瑜：可是如果你沒有個別缺額的統計，你怎麼知道在後續的應聘上要招哪些人來考這個考試、你需要哪些專業人員來補足現場的需求？"],["周署長輝煌：因為我們的戒護管理員是考試，心社人員是聘用，現在叫做約用人員，以前是勞務承攬，所以他的進用管道是不一樣的，但是在心社人力部分，我們要感謝人總給我們175位的約用人員，另外也謝謝法務部給我們25位核定的約僱人員，這對我們心社的輔導人力有一些幫助。"],["陳委員培瑜：醫事呢？"],["周署長輝煌：醫事人員的部分是只要符合資格就可以來報名，包括比如說醫院有一些護理師知道我們監獄有聘護士，他們也要來報名。"],["陳委員培瑜：剛剛署長給我的數字我認為有幾個問題，可是我一開始就說，可能我提出來的問題不是你立刻可以回答的，第一，雖然他的進用管道是約用，而不是透過一般教保人員的考試，但我們真的還是要看現場實務所缺的狀況來決定要約用哪些人進來，對嗎？第二，心社和醫事部分，根據你剛剛給我的比例，目前心社是1比186，醫護是1比228，你認為這是合格的數字嗎？真的有符合現場的需求嗎？還是其實是不夠的？只是可能因為錢不夠、人不夠，或是找不到人？"],["周署長輝煌：跟委員報告，這個比例當然不能說完全足夠，因為我們心社人員的輔導對象除了毒品，還有性侵、家暴的部分，醫事人員也是有一些包括病舍的相關業務。"],["陳委員培瑜：署長，我聽懂了，意思就是說，不管是毒品、性侵或家暴，受刑人其實都需要心理師、社工師和醫護人員在不同專業提供協助，而受刑人的樣態可能又不是單一犯罪樣態，所以一個受刑人身上可能要綁著非常多專業人員來協助他在受刑、被矯正的這段期間，有機會更正他的毒品行為、性侵傾向或家暴傾向，我們真的希望有機會在裡面完成矯正，讓他們復歸社會的時候可以好好地融入社會。所以我為什麼會問你相關人員和缺額，我認為一定有匱乏，因為1比228和1比186這個數字聽起來其實很驚人，我認為相關專業人員的工作量可能loading太重，而回到受刑人那一端，他們真的需要協助的時候，我們的人力也是不夠的。針對這一塊，後續我們再來討論如何協助矯正署，不管是從受刑人的角度或是從所謂專業人員的角度，都讓他們各自的狀況可以越來越好。"],["周署長輝煌：感謝委員關心，也請委員多多協助。"],["陳委員培瑜：沒問題，這個部分我們一定會努力協助。","接下來我要談受刑人對受刑人的霸凌事件，這部分的相關數字我們一樣好奇。受刑人對受刑人的霸凌或者是相關的暴力行為，我們在你們的業務報告裡面一樣沒有看到統計數字或者是現行的調查和後續處理機制。也就是當受刑人對受刑人有暴力行為的時候，在機構裡面怎麼處理？之後受刑人不管是在配房或工作部分會受到哪些懲罰？還有，他們發生暴力行為之後，你們如何再把矯正的概念放進去？這又回到我前一張投影片說的專業人力的協助，以及如何預防所有事情不要再次發生。我認為這是一連串的問題，所以我剛剛已經說了……署長要不要先簡單回應一下你們如何看待這些事情？包括我剛剛說的受刑人對受刑人、管理員對受刑人、受刑人對管理員、管理員對管理員，這中間樣態真的很多。"],["周署長輝煌：報告委員，我們在5月份有針對少年矯正學校霸凌防制及處理具體措施進行檢討，相關做法已經在114年6月1日生效，而且分別送給4所矯正學校。另外，之前各矯正機關有針對性侵、性騷擾，還有性霸凌以及其他欺凌事件，其他欺凌事件其實已經含括了霸凌，但是矯正機關沒有那麼具體的針對霸凌的處理規則，但事實上含括這個部分，我們都有要求所屬的監、所、校注意，該跟地方主管機關通報的一定要通報，如果有所隱匿，我們甚至會追究機關首長的責任。"],["陳委員培瑜：你剛剛講的是矯正學校的部分。確實，在教育部通過霸凌防制準則之後，我們就有提醒教育部國教署要積極和矯正署合作，來協助少年矯正學校和少年觀護所，可是如同你剛剛說的，還有成人監獄的部分。其實我要問的問題是一樣的：相關統計數字、後續管理、後續教育行為以及後續如何確保不再發生，而那個樣態我剛剛已經分析給您聽了，我需要你們的相關資料，當然，如果現在沒有資料，需要更多精進討論，我們未來可以一起努力。","剛剛跟你討論這麼多，最後我有幾個簡單的具體要求，第一，剛剛提到的所有需要的資料，拜託矯正署協助。第二是有關矯正機關對暴力行為的防範，我剛剛說的樣態非常多元，以對象來分有四種，請矯正署參考本席的投影片，這部分也要拜託積極努力。第三是戒護人力和相關人員的教育訓練也要持續精進。最後是我也很擔心，我剛剛之所以會提到心社人員和醫護人員，就是雖然可能是因為薪水或回鄉服務的關係，但是在監所裡面的管理人員，我認為他們在工作上的心理壓力一定很大，你們有沒有適合的心理服務方案，去協助這些在監所第一線工作的管理人員？我不確定現在有沒有，但後續你們可以提供資料給我。"],["周署長輝煌：報告委員，我們各機關的人事室都有員工關懷方案，有需要的話，都會透過人事室……"],["陳委員培瑜：關懷方案的內容是不是可以提供給我們？但我認為相關心理健康的能量可能是不足的。還有就是對於受刑人的部分，我剛剛說過，心社人員的專業和量能也都需要一起加油。我剛剛已經再次強調，所有的問題應該都沒有辦法在今天簡單的質詢當中獲得解決，後續我們一起努力，我們辦公室會再找矯正署開會。","好，謝謝署長、謝謝主席。謝謝。"],["周署長輝煌：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝。接下來請羅委員代理主席。"],["主席（羅委員智強代）：請吳宗憲委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":354,"meet_id":"委員會-11-3-36-20","speakers":["吳宗憲","王鴻薇","黃國昌","王義川","陳培瑜","沈發惠","莊瑞雄","羅智強","吳思瑤","劉書彬","林國成","麥玉珍","陳昭姿","張啓楷","黃珊珊","蔡易餘","翁曉玲","林倩綺","徐巧芯"],"page_start":267,"meetingDate":["2025-06-16"],"gazette_id":"1146101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1146101_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第3會期司法及法制委員會第20次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請法務部部長、法務部矯正署署長、法務部廉政署率所屬相關單位列席就「鑑於近來矯正\n監所暴力衝突事件頻傳，如何維護『矯正是刑事司法最後一道防線』及相關獄政策進作為，包括\n提升戒護人力資源」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、繼續併案審查（一）委員徐巧芯等17人擬具\n「監察院組織法第三條之一及第三條之二條文修正草案」案、（二）委員王鴻薇等17人擬具「監\n察院組織法第三條之一條文修正草案」案；三、審查委員徐巧芯等22人擬具「監察院國家人權委\n員會組織法第三條條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"1146101_00006"}}}